Hack a Snap Sever 1000?

[shen]

I created a user on my ftp site if you need to use it.
ftp://*********.com
User name: ****
Password: ****
This open for everyone here to use.
Sorry I am still no help on what program to use or how to make the image.

Fine ;-)

SnapOS 4 for 4x00 Servers is on it's way ... gone

[whitestick]

See the server, See the upload folder/directory, can't see any files in it. Also when try to upload files to it, it won't let me, something about I can't modify it. Still not shareable yet.
Fine ;-)

SnapOS 4 for 4x00 Servers is on it's way ...

[re3dyb0y]

Can someone try going onto this?
ftp://*******************/

And then can they see if they can see anything in any of the folders, if so download it and let me know.

[re3dyb0y]

Aint it the same for 4x00 the same as mine??

U paying for it then?

[shen]

Can someone try going onto this?
ftp://**************************/

And then can they see if they can see anything in any of the folders, if so download it and let me know.
I can see 4 folders but no files in there

[re3dyb0y]

Thats what i get. Hmmm, i thouhgt they may have been guardian os v4

U paying for snap os for 4x00 shen?

[shen]

U paying for snap os for 4x00 shen?

You are a little bit boring on that.

1st: This is not the place to sell pirated software!

2nd: I got mine as a free update because I purchased my servers within the period of 60 days before SnapOS v4 was released

http://www.snapappliance.com/page.cfm?name=snapos4&Nav=NAS ("If you have proof that you purchased your Snap Server within 60 calendar days of the release date or were covered under a Snap Care Service Program, you are entitled to this software upgrade free of charge.")

[misterbill]

See the server, See the upload folder/directory, can't see any files in it. Also when try to upload files to it, it won't let me, something about I can't modify it. Still not shareable yet.
There are now four files there.
You might need to log in.
User name: ****
password: ****

[whitestick]

Yep, they are now present. Now if ˆ could just get my Snap 1000 bck to thinking it is a 1000, instead of the 4000, so I could reload these files. Can't get it to boot at all, right now.
There are now four files there.
You might need to log in.
User name: ****
password: **** :cry:

[re3dyb0y]

Im not selling it, im asking for donations, and anyway i paid for the snap os for me snap server.

Using explorer i get that it timed out. Do i need a FTP Client? I can't see the folders. Will someone upload my snap os v4 and S2S and snap extensions to it when it works please, as i dont have broadband and its a bit hard for me to do it.

[misterbill]

Using explorer i get that it timed out. Do i need a FTP Client? I can't see the folders. Will someone upload my snap os v4 and S2S and snap extensions to it when it works please, as i dont have broadband and its a bit hard for me to do it.
Have you had any luck with the drive image?
I'm not sure what the trouble is with your upload.
It looks like someone has already uploaded snap OS4 and server sync.

[re3dyb0y]

I need to know what i should do the image with? Ie what program

[svanarts]

I need to know what i should do the image with? Ie what program

Go with knoppix or whatever you're most familiar with. I've been lurking in this thread and have a dead 2200 that I'd love to revive. You guys have given me new hope. I don't want the data back, just the server. Any image in whatever format you can post it in would be very much appreciated.

[re3dyb0y]

Thats the thing, im not familiar/

[svanarts]

Thats the thing, im not familiar/

Ah... so sorry. Gotcha' now. I'm not that familiar with it either or I'd be happy to help. Perhaps some other kind soul will help.

[stty0]

Ah... so sorry. Gotcha' now. I'm not that familiar with it either or I'd be happy to help. Perhaps some other kind soul will help.

poogles.

to image the HD, remove it from the snap, install it in your PC. Then, run whichever imaging program you prefer on it (there are lots) to save an image (i.e.. a single file with an exact copy of the snap drive) to your C drive. (make sure you have enough free space first of course). I would recommend using something that can make an exact bit-by-bit copy. I use Symantec's ghost for that (search google for ghost32.exe, you can run it from windows).

[Chicken Kiev]

i have a snap server 1000 (30gb) that i am just about to try and upgrade to a 60gb. when i do i dont mind putting the image online (it will prob be a ghost image) - i also have some free webspace so i could prob put it there

[misterbill]

i have a snap server 1000 (30gb) that i am just about to try and upgrade to a 60gb. when i do i dont mind putting the image online (it will prob be a ghost image) - i also have some free webspace so i could prob put it there

that would be great. The more info/files available the better.
If you want you are welcome to use my ftp site.
There are already a few files there.
ftp://*************
User name: ****
password: ****
I'm not sure how fast it is but I don't have a size limit on the files.

[re3dyb0y]

I have ghost, but will that be able to do it? I will have a look tonight. Cna i do it in windows straight from ghost?

[relkin]

I read on a post that it was possible to replace the 32 Mb FPM SIMM in the original Meridian servers with a 64 Mb SIMM. I tried this once (long ago) but obviously didn't have the right kind of 64 Mb SIMM.

Can anyone point me to a online store that has the correct kind of SIMM to perform this upgrade?

[stty0]

I have ghost, but will that be able to do it? I will have a look tonight. Cna i do it in windows straight from ghost?

Check the folder ghost is installed in to see if ghost32.exe is there. Otherwise, you will have to create a ghost boot disk and do the imaging from DOS.

[re3dyb0y]

In windows Ghost don't see the drive. PQ Partition Magic sees the drive, but it is unallocated. Maybe the reason why ghost can't see it. In Knoppix 'DD' only makes a 5mb file which cannot be the hard drive, as the os if 40mb or something. I can't use g4u, due to not having an ftp server (ok, my snap server can be an ftp, but i can't access it as one.) Diskpro cant see any drive in windows. Dolly closes on registration. Any ideas, as im stumped. When i put it back in the snap server, it recognised it fine.
The new drive (which i put in me pc) has 15 files on it, totalling 75mb. The original has 82 files totalling 76mb. Both will boot independent of each other. Yet on both there are no files of mine on it. It seems that 76mb must be the os.
However i formatted both. This is what i got. Original - 7 files - 75mb. New - 7 Files - 75mb. I noticed on the new drive during format that the total was 75,811 mb, but drops to 74,774 after the format. Wheres that 1037mb gone? After reinstallation of Java (34 files in the sup). The original drive had 56 (51 before restart) files totalling 79mb. I then removed the original and rebooted with just the new one (now it has 11 files, still 75mb) and it wouldn't let me install Java, from assist or from the web browser, any ideas from anyone? Both must keep the network share info on them, as it still had the info for the old drive. Anyone got any ideas how to get onto the os_private hidden folder?

Also bill, whenever i access your ftp from windows ftp (in explorer) it always times out when getting the files. Any ideas? Do i need an FTP client?

Someone asked about going back to v3 or something.
'This process cannot be cancelled once it is started and the server must not be shut down until its completion. Furthermore, an upgrade across a major version cannot be reversed.' So it would seem no..

Anyone who has bought a second hand snap server, would be worth checking its registered, it gives access to some files. Go to www.snapappliance.com click on login or register on the left. Then enter your servers serial number.

For the ghost32.exe i will look for it tonight. It is version 2003 so it may have it.

[re3dyb0y]

How do you make a ghost boot disk?

[svanarts]

How do you make a ghost boot disk?

This is from the Symantec web site:

To create the Ghost bootable floppy disk
Create an MS-DOS system disk:
If running Windows Me or Windows 98:
Insert a blank, formatted floppy disk.
Click Start > Settings > Control Panel.
Double-click Add/Remove Programs.
Click the Startup Disk tab.
Click Create Disk. Follow the prompts.

If running Windows XP:
Insert a blank, formatted floppy disk.
Open Windows Explorer.
Right-click the A drive, and click Format.
Check "Create an MS-DOS startup disk" in the 'Format Options' section.
Follow the prompts.

Use Ghost Boot Wizard to create a Ghost bootable floppy disk.
Insert a blank, formatted floppy disk.
Open Ghost Boot Wizard and follow the prompts to create a bootable floppy disk.

When you see the choice for PC-DOS or MS-DOS, click Get MS-DOS and insert the Windows 98/Me/XP Startup Disk into the floppy disk drive. Ghost Boot Wizard copies the MS-DOS system files from the Startup Disk to the hard disk. These are the MS-DOS files that the Ghost Boot Wizard places on the Ghost bootable floppy disk.

When you see the choice for Format, Quick Format, Full Format, and so on, check an option which includes the word "Format." The exact choices differ according to the operating system that is running. If you do not check one of the formatting options, rather than an option such as "Copy system files," the bootable floppy disk may use an unsupported DOS version. Checking the format option ensures that Ghost copies a supported DOS version to the bootable floppy disk.

The full text is available here:
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/docid/2001102412085725?Open&src=&docid=2000042409333225&nsf=ghost.nsf&view=docid&dtype=&prod=&ver=&osv=&osv_lvl=

[Chicken Kiev]

i dont think that will make any difference - when i try to copy the drive (in pc dos using parameters) it says unreadable disk (SRC=2) or something similar. i used ghost.exe -clone,mode=create,SRC=2,DST=1:1\Image.gho
edit - ive just tried again with ghost.exe -ia -clone,mode=copy,SRC=2,DST=3 and it gave me the error message: Invalid Source Drive, Usage Error 11030.

[re3dyb0y]

Ok, running the boot disk in dos it can see the hard drive, however it is dark grey not black, and isn't clickable on. Any ideas?

[Chicken Kiev]

I dont think ghost supports the format - the SCR=2 from my post means disk 2 (i can see the drive but it is grey as well). when i try to force it to copy the drive all it says is "Invalid Source Drive" - i dont think ghost 2003 will ever be able to recognise it. maybe you should try with hard drive upgrader, i will but it means installing a floppy drive

[re3dyb0y]

Whats hd upgrader? i have a floppy drive.


Thanks


Sam

[Chicken Kiev]

Mg managed to clone his drive with ghost using the -ir switch (page 3). i have just tried this as well and although i managed to copy the drive (i had to use the -fro switch as well because norton found errors on the drive) it does not boot the snap server (hdd light remains lit)
if you want to try this poogles run ghost interactively (under advanced) and then when it boots into ghost dos find out the hard drive number and exit. press any key to go into pc dos and type in: ghost.exe -clone,mode=copy,src=3(drive number of source),dst=2(drive number of target) -ir(image raw) -fro(ignore errors)
hdupgrader was mentioned on page 2 by danz

[cip]

Got it to work with an 250GB IBM Deskstar but only showed up as 130GB... I'm trying with 120GB IBM Deskstar and it doesn't seam to recognize the drive. I get this error in my log.

Disk Driver : Cannot Read Device 80070007 Block 13
LCD Message : FAILED: Disk 1

[re3dyb0y]

Logical Device: 10006 Position: 0 JBOD Size (KB): 32296 Free (KB): 23688 Private Mounted
Label:Private Contains system files only
Unique Id: 0x1B3E34BA62A5C23D Mount: /priv Index: 12 Order: 0
Partition: 10006 Physical: 10007 FS Size (KB): 32768 Starting Blk: 515 Private
Physical: 10007 Drive Slot: 0 IDE Size (KB): 78124544 Fixed

Logical Device: 10016 Position: 0 JBOD Size (KB): 32296 Free (KB): 22416 Private Mounted
Label:Private Contains system files only
Unique Id: 0x70A79B84562ECECC Mount: /pri2 Index: 13 Order: 1
Partition: 10016 Physical: 10017 FS Size (KB): 32768 Starting Blk: 515 Private
Physical: 10017 Drive Slot: 2 IDE Size (KB): 78150656 Fixed

Logical Device: 10000 Position: 1 JBOD Size (KB): 76569392 Free (KB): 76492720 Public Mounted
Label:Drive1 Single disk
Unique Id: 0x1B3E34BA62A5C23D Mount: /0 Index: 0 Order: 2
Partition: 10000 Physical: 10007 FS Size (KB): 77630984 Starting Blk: 61567 Public
Physical: 10007 Drive Slot: 0 IDE Size (KB): 78124544 Fixed

Logical Device: 50000 Position: 2 MIRROR_CRACKED Size (KB): 76595040 Free (KB): 76513448 Public Mounted
Label:Mirror Network Drive
Unique Id: 0x329301B5625BE22C Mount: /2 Index: 2 Order: 3
Partition: 10010 Physical: 10017 M 50000 Size (KB): 77656968 Starting Blk: 61583 Public
Physical: 10017 Drive Slot: 2 IDE Size (KB): 78150656 Fixed

It seems like from looking at config devices info that that there is the os on the hard drive. If you look at the stats ive

posted above. On both 10006 and 10016 there is a mount of /priv and /pri2 and Label:Private Contains system files only. Both

with the size of 32296KB = 31.53mb. The OS file is 30093KB or 29.3MB. So that is where the OS must be. There is free kb of

23688 and 22416 on the drives free. IS this in anticipation of a larger os update file? I believe 0x1B3E34BA62A5C23D is my

new drive it is mount /0. The raid is mount /2, does that mean the 2nd drive was the one that works? It you do 76569392 -

76492720 you get 76672. Then 32296 + 23688 gives 55984.

Any ideas why it says 2000 not 2200 on the about screen? With just the new drive in i reinstalled snap os v4. When i try to

install Snap Extensions i get: Unable to complete upgrade. Operation Aborted. The upgrade operation did not complete

successfully so the advanced window will be closed. Any ideas why?? It will install it with the 2 drives in. Im a bit

reluctant to reformat the original drive to remove the old mirror, because i may lose the facility to install the snap

extensions. However, when i put the drive back in again, snap extensions had been removed (may have been snap os

reinstallation).

Command: qdl scantree /0 0 (new drive)

BUILT: /0 - 14 records.
BUILT: /0/rescued - 7 records.
BUILT: /0/os_private - 32 records.
BUILT: /0/os_private/Temp - 7 records.
BUILT: /0/WWW - 7 records.
qdlScanTree found NO problems with path: /0

Command: qdl scantree /2 0 (old drive 1 would be the other part of the raid set)

BUILT: /2 - 12 records.
BUILT: /2/rescued - 7 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private - 32 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private/Java - 11 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private/Java/Jeode - 20 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private/Java/Jeode/snapserver - 9 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private/Java/Jeode/snapserver/snaplets - 11 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private/Java/Jeode/snapserver/snaplets/confs - 9 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private/Java/Jeode/snapserver/snaplets/jars - 11 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private/Java/Jeode/bin - 26 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private/Java/Jeode/lib - 15 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private/Java/Jeode/lib/security - 13 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private/Java/Jeode/lib/ext - 18 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private/Java/Jeode/classes - 9 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private/Java/Jeode/classes/com - 10 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private/Java/Jeode/classes/com/snapserver - 9 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private/Java/Jeode/classes/com/snapserver/demo - 21 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private/Java/Jeode/classes/com/snapserver/demo/hello - 13 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private/Java/Jeode/etc - 9 records.
BUILT: /2/os_private/Java/Jeode/tmp - 7 records.
qdlScanTree found NO problems with path: /2

It seems like they both have the os_private on them. Any ideas why i can't install os v4 on the new drive? Because i will

never be able to remove this drive if i can't sort his out.

[mg]

Has anyone found a way to flash the BIOS yet. I think I boat anchored mine by setting the level to 4.0.0 and rebooting.

When I upgraded to SnapOS 4 my 1000s would not see the 2nd drive at all. Anyone else had this problem?

I am really, really thinking of forgetting the Snaps and just building a Server 2003 solution with a ton of drives in a RAID 5 array so I will have one place to put all my stuff.

[Chicken Kiev]

i would - server 2003 is avaliable for a free trial and the hardware wouldent need to cost more than £150 (~$300) + drives.
i spent £115 and bought a clearence mobo [sata, onboard lan], case & psu [chieftec beast], ram, amd 2100cpu, stole mouse, keyboard, monitor from old pcs (i only access it via remote access) and dropped as many drives as i could find in it.
it transfers files at ~10MBps (16MBps full duplex) unlike my snap 1000 that has a maximum transfer rate of 1.5MBps (it drops further if you send and recieve at the same time)

[mg]

I may have found a way to recover from the dreaded BIOS faux pax. I too set my Hardware revision to 4.0.0 and did not back it down before a reboot so I faced the dreaded rapidly blinking system light last night. briefly, I cloned one of my old drives that had a lower revision of the system, put it in this afternoon, powered up and I now have access to my server again. Over the next few days I will do some testing and come up with some more concrete information so we can all work on this solution. I am waiting eagerly to hear how some of you are imaging the system partition so I can image the system on my drives with the older SnapOS and work with that so we can have a resource online.

In the meantime, I think I am going to start working toward a big file server box just for the heck of it, but that is off topic.

I'll do the best I can between the family, studies, and work to stay in touch.

[mg]

Mg managed to clone his drive with ghost using the -ir switch (page 3). i have just tried this as well and although i managed to copy the drive (i had to use the -fro switch as well because norton found errors on the drive) it does not boot the snap server (hdd light remains lit)
if you want to try this poogles run ghost interactively (under advanced) and then when it boots into ghost dos find out the hard drive number and exit. press any key to go into pc dos and type in: ghost.exe -clone,mode=copy,src=3(drive number of source),dst=2(drive number of target) -ir(image raw) -fro(ignore errors)
hdupgrader was mentioned on page 2 by danz

Chicken, for which Snap are you trying to clone the drive? If it is for a 1000, I may have a solution for you if you can't get the drive cloned.

[Chicken Kiev]

it is alright now - i bothered to read all the 12 pages of posts and i downloaded dolly (from download.com - 40mb file) and that worked perfectly. i still can not get a decent transfer speed (1.5MBps) but i think that is the limitation of the snap 1000's hardware and not a fault

[re3dyb0y]

When i unmounted both devices (ie both hard drives). The server can be browsed normally, but the SnapExtensions disappeared. After a reboot, both drives had been remounted in JBOD. So i have removed the failed raid set. WHOPPPEEE!! Proper Instructions:
On Debug type 'config devices unmount' This unmounts them all. Wait a few seconds and the page will load saying the action has been completed successfully. Then manually reboot the unit. It will reboot with the cracked raid removed.

The HD info is now:
Logical Device: 10006 Position: 0 JBOD Size (KB): 32296 Free (KB): 22688 Private Mounted
Label:Private Contains system files only
Unique Id: 0x1B3E34BA62A5C23D Mount: /priv Index: 12 Order: 0
Partition: 10006 Physical: 10007 FS Size (KB): 32768 Starting Blk: 515 Private
Physical: 10007 Drive Slot: 0 IDE Size (KB): 78124544 Fixed

Logical Device: 10016 Position: 0 JBOD Size (KB): 32296 Free (KB): 22416 Private Mounted
Label:Private Contains system files only
Unique Id: 0x70A79B84562ECECC Mount: /pri2 Index: 13 Order: 1
Partition: 10016 Physical: 10017 FS Size (KB): 32768 Starting Blk: 515 Private
Physical: 10017 Drive Slot: 2 IDE Size (KB): 78150656 Fixed

Logical Device: 10000 Position: 1 JBOD Size (KB): 76569392 Free (KB): 76492152 Public Mounted
Label:Drive1 Single disk
Unique Id: 0x1B3E34BA62A5C23D Mount: /0 Index: 0 Order: 2
Partition: 10000 Physical: 10007 FS Size (KB): 77630984 Starting Blk: 61567 Public
Physical: 10007 Drive Slot: 0 IDE Size (KB): 78124544 Fixed

Logical Device: 10010 Position: 2 JBOD Size (KB): 76595040 Free (KB): 76511200 Public Mounted
Label:Drive2 Single disk
Unique Id: 0x70A79B84562ECECC Mount: /2 Index: 2 Order: 3
Partition: 10010 Physical: 10017 FS Size (KB): 77656968 Starting Blk: 61583 Public
Physical: 10017 Drive Slot: 2 IDE Size (KB): 78150656 Fixed

Anyone any ideas why i can install OS v4, but not snap extensions with just the new drive in? Even though, looking at the above, the new drive is the primary as it is 0x1B3E34BA62A5C23D. It will however, install it with just the old drive plugged in.
command dir /0/os_private (0 =new drive)
Inode ATTR Protection Size Created Modified Accessed UID GID Name
768 HS d---rwx--- 1024 09/22/2004 17:37:18 09/25/2004 12:34:21 09/30/2004 18:11:33 3 2 .
2 drwxrwxrwx 1024 09/22/2004 17:35:14 09/25/2004 12:34:21 09/30/2004 18:10:49 3 2 ..
769 HSA ----rwx--- 848 09/22/2004 17:37:18 09/30/2004 17:59:39 09/30/2004 18:10:41 3 2 fdb_blob.dat
770 HSA ----rwx--- 176 09/22/2004 17:37:18 09/30/2004 17:59:39 09/30/2004 18:10:41 3 2 fdb_hid_idx.dat
771 HSA ----rwx--- 168 09/22/2004 17:37:18 09/30/2004 17:59:39 09/30/2004 18:11:33 3 2 fdb_sdb_idx.dat
772 HSA ----rwx--- 136 09/22/2004 17:37:18 09/30/2004 17:59:39 09/30/2004 18:11:10 3 2 fdb_name_idx.dat
773 HSA ----rwx--- 848 09/22/2004 17:43:02 09/30/2004 17:59:39 09/30/2004 17:59:39 3 2 fdb_blob.dat.sdw
774 HSA ----rwx--- 176 09/22/2004 17:43:02 09/30/2004 17:59:39 09/30/2004 17:59:39 3 2 fdb_hid_idx.dat.sdw
775 HSA ----rwx--- 136 09/22/2004 17:43:02 09/30/2004 17:59:39 09/30/2004 17:59:39 3 2 fdb_name_idx.dat.sdw
776 HSA ----rwx--- 168 09/22/2004 17:43:02 09/30/2004 17:59:39 09/30/2004 17:59:39 3 2 fdb_sdb_idx.dat.sdw
1536 d---rwx--- 1024 09/22/2004 17:48:57 09/25/2004 12:34:21 09/30/2004 17:13:28 3 2 Temp

command dir /2/os_private (2 =old drive)
Inode ATTR Protection Size Created Modified Accessed UID GID Name
768 HS d---rwx--- 1024 09/22/2004 17:31:47 09/25/2004 12:34:34 09/30/2004 18:11:49 3 2 .
2 drwxrwxrwx 1024 09/22/2004 17:28:26 09/25/2004 12:34:34 09/30/2004 17:34:51 3 2 ..
769 HSA ----rwx--- 848 09/22/2004 17:31:47 09/30/2004 18:09:22 09/30/2004 18:10:42 3 2 fdb_blob.dat
770 HSA ----rwx--- 176 09/22/2004 17:31:47 09/30/2004 18:09:22 09/30/2004 18:10:42 3 2 fdb_hid_idx.dat
771 HSA ----rwx--- 168 09/22/2004 17:31:47 09/30/2004 18:09:22 09/30/2004 18:11:40 3 2 fdb_sdb_idx.dat
772 HSA ----rwx--- 136 09/22/2004 17:31:47 09/30/2004 18:09:22 09/30/2004 18:11:10 3 2 fdb_name_idx.dat
1536 d---rwx--- 1024 09/22/2004 17:38:48 09/25/2004 12:34:34 09/25/2004 12:34:35 3 2 Java
773 HSA ----rwx--- 848 09/22/2004 17:43:02 09/30/2004 18:09:22 09/30/2004 18:09:22 3 2 fdb_blob.dat.sdw
774 HSA ----rwx--- 176 09/22/2004 17:43:02 09/30/2004 18:09:22 09/30/2004 18:09:22 3 2 fdb_hid_idx.dat.sdw
775 HSA ----rwx--- 136 09/22/2004 17:43:02 09/30/2004 18:09:22 09/30/2004 18:09:22 3 2 fdb_name_idx.dat.sdw
776 HSA ----rwx--- 168 09/22/2004 17:43:02 09/30/2004 18:09:22 09/30/2004 18:09:22 3 2 fdb_sdb_idx.dat.sdw

Command: dir /priv
Inode ATTR Protection Size Created Modified Accessed UID GID Name
2 drwxrwxrwx 1024 09/11/2004 9:26:48 09/30/2004 17:13:24 09/30/2004 18:14:19 3 2 .
2 dr-xr-xr-x 0 09/30/2004 18:10:33 09/30/2004 18:14:19 09/30/2004 18:14:19 3 2 ..
3 HS drwxrwxrwx 8704 09/11/2004 9:26:48 09/30/2004 17:13:24 09/30/2004 17:59:55 3 2 rescued
768 HS d---rwx--- 1024 01/30/2002 17:44:09 09/11/2004 12:47:15 09/30/2004 18:10:39 3 2 os_private
1536 drwxrwxrwx 1024 01/30/2002 17:51:21 09/11/2004 12:47:37 09/30/2004 17:59:55 3 2 statmonlist
4 HSA -rwxrwxrwx 524289 01/30/2002 17:51:23 09/30/2004 18:12:29 09/30/2004 18:12:29 3 2 HARD.log
1537 drwxrwxrwx 1024 02/04/2002 17:31:40 09/30/2004 17:13:25 09/30/2004 17:59:56 3 2 resources
2307 drwxrwxrwx 8704 02/04/2002 17:32:07 09/30/2004 17:13:25 09/30/2004 18:10:39 3 2 help
2476 drwxrwxrwx 1024 08/23/2004 14:44:50 09/30/2004 17:13:25 09/30/2004 18:10:42 3 2 Jeode
176 drwxrwxrwx 1024 08/29/2004 18:53:33 09/30/2004 17:13:25 09/30/2004 18:10:42 3 2 osupdate
177 HSA -rwxrwxrwx 6 01/30/2002 17:44:09 09/30/2004 18:12:29 09/30/2004 18:10:39 3 2 tag.dat

Command: dir /pri2
Inode ATTR Protection Size Created Modified Accessed UID GID Name
2 drwxrwxrwx 1024 01/30/2002 17:44:08 09/11/2004 12:37:44 09/30/2004 18:14:53 3 2 .
2 dr-xr-xr-x 0 09/30/2004 18:10:33 09/30/2004 18:14:53 09/30/2004 18:14:53 3 2 ..
3 HS drwxrwxrwx 8704 01/30/2002 17:44:08 09/11/2004 12:37:44 09/30/2004 18:10:39 3 2 rescued
768 HS d---rwx--- 1536 01/30/2002 17:44:09 09/11/2004 12:37:44 09/30/2004 18:10:41 3 2 os_private
4 HSA -rwxrwxrwx 6 01/30/2002 17:44:09 09/30/2004 18:09:24 09/30/2004 18:10:41 3 2 tag.dat
1536 drwxrwxrwx 1024 01/30/2002 17:51:21 09/11/2004 12:40:18 09/30/2004 18:10:39 3 2 statmonlist
5 HSA -rwxrwxrwx 524289 01/30/2002 17:51:23 09/30/2004 18:09:24 09/30/2004 18:10:39 3 2 HARD.log
2305 drwxrwxrwx 1024 02/04/2002 17:31:40 09/11/2004 12:08:43 09/30/2004 18:10:39 3 2 resources
1540 drwxrwxrwx 8704 02/04/2002 17:32:07 09/11/2004 12:37:44 09/30/2004 18:10:41 3 2 help
1537 drwxrwxrwx 1024 08/23/2004 14:44:50 09/11/2004 12:37:44 09/30/2004 18:10:41 3 2 Jeode
177 drwxrwxrwx 1024 08/29/2004 18:53:33 09/11/2004 12:37:45 09/30/2004 18:10:41 3 2 osupdate

[papasmurf]

hey,

has anyone successfully replaced the blowers/fans in a Dell 705n/Snap 4100? i'm specifically interested in replacing them with units that are QUIETER because all i hear from my closet (where the snap is stored) is a constant loud hum that's really starting to annoy me. ideas? suggestions? help?

Aaron

[scottz]

poogles_uk

Just a guess, but you might want to try and make the Java directory on the new drive and then try installing. I noticed I have the Java directory, but I haven't installed it.

In the debug menu, try:
md /0/os_private/Java

Failing that, you could also try to move the directory using the move command:
mv /2/os_private/Java /0/os_private/Java

[scottz]

Well folks, I've updated a DELL 705N (Snap 4100) to SnapOS 4.x and everything works except for the 48bit LBA issue (which I REALLY need).

Bios stamp 2.4.437
Plat Bytes 2.2.1
Model Byte 2

With "info log T" I'm getting
IDE: A 48 bit LBA capable Hard Drive was detected ...
IDE: 48 bit LBA is not supported on 4100 and 12000 platforms.
IDE: Setting the hard drive size to maximum addressable by 28 bits: 131071 MBytes.

Resetting the LBA Counter doesn't help.

I've dug up the info on the Promise PDC 20265 IDE chips used in this 4100 and they can/do support 48 bit LBA. 48Bit LBA support came later for them in late 2001/early 2002 so a Promise firmware upgrade is possibly needed. The Promise cards that used these chips are on the FastTrak 100, SuperTrak 100, and other Promise Ultra 100 UDMA cards, and I have found the firmware for them.

I've been hunting for a console connection of some sort as it seems somewhat logical to have another way into the board during manufacturing and testing. There are the other 4 lines on the RJ45 (pins 4,5,7,8) and the mysterious J8 connector (which looks like a 5th IDE connector) but apparently isn't.

Regardless, it seems even if it were possible to upgrade the onboard promise firmware, the hardcoded check for a 4100 above would still keep me from using it.

I've tried various methods to change the bios platform bytes, OEM Level, and Model without success (i.e. I can change them, but the check is either there or other issues came up that prevented the 4100 from working).

I'd like to try the UK SnapOS version or find out if it is the same image as the US version.

Right now I'm torn between trying to keep hacking this or just replacing the motherboard with an ITX one loaded with Darma or Zetta NAS images.

What really bugs me is the fact that the hardware is certainly capable of handling 48bit LBA drives, but there is no interest by Adaptec/SnapAppliance to enable it (and yet they still sell this box today!!). Seems to be more of a marketing issue than a technical one, but that's getting into conspiracy theories.

I'd appreciate any more ideas on things to try.

Many Thanks!

[re3dyb0y]

Ive downloaded Digital Dolly. When i have some time to take the case of my pc (I have a removable IDE bay attatched to my raid card, but this wont load in Digital Dolly) i will use raw copy and make a backup for people to use. I will also write this onto my secondary drive to see if it will let me install Snap Extensions on it.

[nadiazipper]

I just blew the fuse in my snap 2000. Anybody know what kind of fuse it needs? I pulled it out and see that it is ceramic, with 250V, I don't see what the amperage is. Does anybody have any idea what it uses?

[neuro4848]

I know this came across this forum, but I'm still in need of help....

I have 2 SNAP Server 1100s whose hard drives died on the same (what are the friggin' odds) and I couldn't get even the chance to do the hard drive swap. Is there anyone that has done perhaps an image of the drive with DOLLY or Ghost, or what have you...

Any help is SOOOOOO greatly appreciated.

You can email me at [crivas] at [thegeekstreetjournal] dot [net] with any information.

LOS

[scottz]

Can someone verify if the 4000 will boot with no drives attached?

I know the 4100 will which proves the OS is in the flash (java/help files are on the drive).

If I change the platformbytes to 2 0 0 (4000 series), it boots with the error:
Pseudoflash partition not found. Return from read -2.

Which again leads me to believe the OS for the 4000 is on the drive?

There was a quote a long while back in the thread that indicated this was the case for "newer" snapservers with the modified BSD OS.

Just curious if I could get the first 64MB of a 4000 drive, then maybe it will boot as a 4000 and get me around the LBA 48 issue.

[re3dyb0y]

I cant see it working without the hard drives. My 2200 wouldn't


I hope to make a hd image at the weekend. I will upload it to the file space in a week or so.

[scottz]

Very much appreciate it!

[misterbill]

Well after a lot of time and work I found a Snap 2200 drive with the image on it.
I used it to boot up and initialize my 2200 and it is now operational.
I have a drive to make an image from now.
I also have one from a snap 1000.
Now I just have to figure out how to make the image file.
I'll let you all know.

[mg]

There is a utility in the MS Win NT4 Resource Kit called Diskprobe that allows you to copy a certain number of clusters from a HDD and save as a file. It is mentioned earlier in the forum. I looked at the docs and it seems like it will do the job. I think there is even a report of success in the forums with the tool.

[meister_sd]

Here is the link to the SnapOS 4.0.

ftp://Purchased:EnTitled@208.0.185.9/SnapStore40/


Also, I couldn't get my raid "uncracked" using Poogles_UK method. But I too am waiting for the image for the 2200.....

[Davesworld]

Here is the link to the SnapOS 4.0.

ftp://Purchased:EnTitled@208.0.185.9/SnapStore40/


Also, I couldn't get my raid "uncracked" using Poogles_UK method. But I too am waiting for the image for the 2200.....

Thanks! This worked on my 4100 and it looks as though there is only one OS image for all supported platforms depending on country and encryption laws. I ran this in debug mode and wonder if this will support larger drives. The controllers are pdc20265's. I have no hits but I have no drive larger than 120GB either. BTW, this was a gutted device from Sandia Labs that had no memory or drives and a processor with bent pins. I got another Pentium 233MX for a buck plus shipping and stuck a 256MB stick of ram and it works fine. The drives formatted automatically upon first turn on thanks to the flash containing the os. Anyway, here is the Lba flag check:
__________________________________________________ _______________
10/16/2004 18:58:54 Command: ide 48bitLBACounter get

IDE 48 bit LBA hits: 0

------------
Command executed without error.
__________________________________________________ _______________
:D

[scottz]

When you do try a larger drive on your 4100, you might see a warning listed in "info log -T" about 48bit LBA's not being supported. If so, then the counter is always 0 and your stuck.

After going through the Flash code in the .sup files and every IC and connector on the board, my only WAG at this point is that by switching the model number to fake out the OS will there be a chance that 48bit LBA would be supported.

The 4100's can boot with no drives attached and get into the debug screen.
You can go to the regular admin page if you don't require language packs.

The earlier models do have the OS on the drive and switching model numbers makes the boot look for it there.

You can still get in to the debug screen, just the error "psuedo flash not found" will be in the log and it won't see any drives.

Why I hope to get the first 64Meg (32 is probably all you need) of another model that has the OS on the drive to prove it.

[re3dyb0y]

I can't get digital dolly to preform a raw clone on the drive. Has anyone else any ideas?

For the cracked raid, try unmounting all drives.

[re3dyb0y]

Command: wdir /0/os_private/Java

Directory /0/os_private/Java
:hash.qdl

Command: wdir /2/os_private/Java

Directory /2/os_private/Java
Jeode/ snapex.jar :hash.qdl

The md works, but it wont install onto it with just that drive on it. The mv function comes back code 56 (and so does the md if used again) remove files with rd. mv /2/os_private/Java /0/os_private/Java used after rd comes up with error 76. I then tried stopping the java, it still comes up with error 76 when mv /2/os_private/Java /0/os_private/Java is used.

Any ideas? I will try putting on my image when i manage to make one.!!

[scottz]

Try making the directory through debug and then the usual install through the web update or assist.

Mine is torn apart right now, but when I installed a fresh drive, the OS set it up and the Java directory existed with nothing in it. I hadn't installed it yet.

I will try later this week (I'm heading out of town for a few days) to delete the Java directory and try the install to see if I'm getting the same error.

I was using a freebsd mini-inst (minimal install) on another box to clone the drive using dd.
I then ftp'd it over to another box for safe keeping.

I used freebsd in the hopes of being able to mount the filesystems, but ran into compatibility issues with with the 4100 drive not being a standard setup.
I hex/ascii dumped the drive though to go through it, but that's another story.

Have you tried the ghost setup for cloning the drive?

[meister_sd]

OK, I now have my "Cracked Mirror" error fixed. I did what poogle_uk told me, but there were a few more steps I needed to take.

1) Remove the second HD - Just work with the single primary drive.
2) In debug, type: 'config devices info' - write down the "Logical Device" that shows the "Cracked" error. Mine was 50000
3) In debug, type: 'config devices unmount all'
4) THEN I had to type: 'config devices config individual 50000 force' (Where 50000 was mine, your's might be different)
5) Last, I rebooted from debug typing: 'reboot'

After that it took not too much longer than normal to boot, but a few extra seconds. But in the main home page, I still have the "lost" shares, but my disks aren't mirrored or showing errors.

Next, I'm going to try Digital Dolly or Ghost and mirror the main drive to another and see if that works.....

[meister_sd]

Alright. I got it! I've fixed my 2200. I'll document it out so others can follow it,
but the basics are what I wrote in my last post. Then I used Digital Dolly (The .ISO, not Dolly that is booted from a floppy) and copied the boot section, then the data section. I stopped after receiving errors (about 20 min) because that was the part of my main HD going bad. I put the new HD (200 gig Seagate) that had the imaging on it, and it worked. I had to reformat it, but then after that - no errors! I had to repartition the data area, documented in a previous post. Then I mirrored it to the other 200 gig I have. I'll get the details on here in a day or two. But I couldn't do it without the help of this forum! Especially Poogles_UK and his documented efforts in his last few posts.

Thanks to all of you!

PS. The next task - getting a proper image made that can be put on CD/DVD.

[dvscreen]

Has anyone noticed that the .sup files provided by Snap are text files of some kind of Intel Hex dump (starting with colon :) ?

Can they be used to rebuilt an image without assist?

I have a Snap 1000 that is drive-less and I would like to use it some day and I can't find an image for it.

[dvscreen]

Ok, got a bit further.

The .SUP file (support files) are some kind of uncompressed archives. Assist uses them to upload to the Snap Server. I have looked at .SUP files for SnapOS V3 and V4.

The files contains 3 areas:

1. Hex dump of binary files .HEX
2. Resource files .RES
3. HTML files (.HTML, .CSS, and .GIF)

The hex section contains one binary file for each model of Snap Server:
MOAI110.HEX
MOAI200.HEX
MOAI300.HEX
MOAI20X.HEX
MOAI400.HEX

Those are Intel HEX records and the clue is that they begin with a colon. There are four types of records, but only 3 are used here. Here's how each row is decoded:

:nnaaaattdddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd ... cc

Where:
- nn is the record-length field that represents the number of data bytes (dd) in the record.

- aaaa is the address field that represents the starting address for subsequent data in the record.

- tt is the field that represents the HEX record type, which may be one of the following:
00 - data record
01 - end-of-file record
02 - extended segment address record
04 - extended linear address record

- dd is a data field that represents one byte of data. A record may have multiple data bytes. The number of data bytes in the record must match the number specified by the ll field.

- cc is the checksum field that represents the checksum of the record. The checksum is calculated by summing the values of all hexadecimal digit pairs in the record modulo 256 and taking the two's complement.

Example: in the SnapOS v3 file, the first two lines are:

:02 0000 04 0004 F6
:nn aaaa tt dddd cc

0x02 + 0x00 + 0x00 + 0x04 + 0x00 + 0x04 = 0x0A
0x100 - 0x0A = F6 (ok)

:20 0000 00 2600B0C1870070912D00FF0770892D001800FFFFFFFF300010 00236B10006092 84
:nn aaaa tt dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd dddddddddddddd cc

0x20 + 0x00 + 0x00 + 0x00 + 0x26 + 0x00 + 0xB0 + 0xC1 + 0x87 + 0x00 + 0x70 + 0x91 + 0x2D + 0x00 + 0xFF + 0x07 + 0x70 + 0x89 + 0x2D + 0x00 + 0x18 + 0x00 + 0xFF + 0xFF + 0xFF + 0xFF + 0x30 + 0x00 + 0x10 + 0x00 + 0x23 + 0x6B + 0x10 + 0x00 + 0x60 + 0x92 = 0xB7C

0x100 - 0x7C = 0x84 (ok)

Note: you can cut and paste the equation (before the =) in Google if you don't have a Hex calculator.

The records used are:
- 1 Type 04 record (address).
- 2048 Type 00 records (data).
(this sequence of two is repeated repeated 25 to 30 times)
- 1 Type 01 record (EOF) with data.

This file is quite small, around 1.7 MB once converted to binary.

I can not read any ASCII text after converting the dump to a binary. However, I don't believe these are from compressed files because they are padded with hundreds zeroes. The last character, after the zeroes, is 0xEB.

Then the resource files are:
UK\Snap_00_UK.Res
Fr\Snap_00_Fr.Res
Ge\Snap_00_Ge.Res
Sp\Snap_00_Sp.Res

There is no US file, so the resource must be contained in the .RES files. I can read ASCII text in these files, but some binary data is also present. It must be possible to compare the .RES to the .HEX to find if any binary shit has been used to hide the OS in the .HEX file.

Finally, the html files follow:
US\AccessGuideFolderSend.html
US\AccessGuideDriveSend.html
US\AccessGuideMenu.html
etc.

Some .GIFs are present and a single .CSS file.

Conclusions:
1. Most of the OS must be in the .HEX files and that's where we need to investigate.
2. The .CSS could be easily modified and uploaded to customize the look of the server.
3. Same is true with the .HTML files to change the layout and the functions.
4. There must be a reason why the .HEX files are not in plain binary. Possible clues are: the need to hide the OS, the need to upload the data to the Snap Server in a special way.
5. My findings supports other poster's observations that one .SUP file contains all server models and all supported languages.

Requests:
1. I would need an ISO file from a Snap 1000 or 1100 to go any further. Mine is toasted, and that is why I am doing this work. I would love to run the SnapOS on a regular PC.
2. Has anyone found information about hardware? I know it revolves around an embedded x86 compatible "PC on a chip" and that has a built-in video card. It would be great to put Linux on it and to attach monitor.

[re3dyb0y]

One request for newbies. Please do not email me regarding images, as as i have said, i have not got one.

Try making the directory through debug and then the usual install through the web update or assist.

Thats what i did, i will try removing the drive, reformatting it (not on the snap) and start fresh. I have tried reformatting it while its in with no luck. i will try running it after removal of files by itself in the snap server.

meister_sd i cant even get the image to be made, it takes 10 secs, and there is no image. Some detailed instructions would help please.

Thanks to dvscreen for all this info.. Could you do the same for the java one please?

[re3dyb0y]

The files being .sup is partly to do with it being an intel cpu i think.

[re3dyb0y]

dvscreen - How did you decompile the .sup files? What hex editor did you use? Hardware info. Most (or all i think) are an Intel CPU. I know my 2200 has a amd flash chip on it.

To Bill (or someone whos got it) - Can you send me the other update file for the 4x00 please?

[re3dyb0y]

Can anyone else get onto bills ftp site?

DOWN

[misterbill]

I'm sorry if anyone is having trouble with that ftp site.
I am copying everything people have sent me to another one that we can all use.
It is ftp://*********
user name: ****
password: ****

Thanks,
Bill

Site DOWN

[re3dyb0y]

Much better!!

[re3dyb0y]

Can someone put the 4x00 snap os onto the file server?

[arpsh]

Can someone put the 4x00 snap os onto the file server?

I've tried to upload the sup file (zipped) but the server keeps timing me out ...

[scottz]

Nice to see someone is thinking along the same line.
I went through the same manuvers last month but had to give up on it due to time.

What I found:

It looks like after the .SUP file is uploaded it is broken out by the SnapOS upgrade process.

If you look at the end of the .sup file you will find html code for minimal help screens. So there are sections to the .sup file that the upgrade process knows how to break out.

From what I found, the .HEX file seems to be either:

1) a Patch (not a full image) for the current BIOS/OS and isn't in a contigious format.

2) a compressed image.

3) Combination of both.

With the padded 0's being there, it could be a section that isn't being used, OR what I'm guessing is that these are sections that is used for saving settings when you switch off the power (i.e. you need some room in flash to store IP address, disk shares, passwords, etc) so you don't want to put code there. They could be ignored by the upgrade utility, but are there for continuity.

I started going through some of the PC BIOS and Flash utils/hacks to see if there is any related format that has a similar process and can give us a clue as to how this one maybe setup. I did find a case where a flash was upgraded with a .HEX file where the data was compressed and then decompressed on the fly during the upgrade process, so one theory is there.

The E28F016S5 Intel Chip is a 16Mbit (2MB) Flash Memory though, so I'm leaning towards it being a compressed image that decompresses on boot. Gives more room for the modified BSD OS to to fit in memory rather than disk.

Again, on the 4100 the majority of the OS lives on the Flash rather than disk.
You can boot up a 4100 with no disks installed and it will function.
Java and help/language files live on the disks, but it doesn't need them to operate.

If I could get my hands on a boot partition from a system that has it's OS on the drives, then I could do some comparisons to how the 4100 is broken out and how to modify it.

Scott

[rami]

Can someone put the 4x00 snap os onto the file server?

i have a server with a 100mb port, hope that makes people happier.

it will take me a while to upload (30k/s upload from home)

i'll also make an area people can upload to, i'll put a 300mb limit on the upload directory but i have 4tb of space thanks to these snap servers :)

i'll post login info soon

[rami]

user:XXXX
password:XXXX
site: XXXXX

Edit - Joe : Because of Adaptecs request, please contact the owner of this post if you have any questions regarding this.

if there are files you wish to share with others, please upload them to the upload directory

[re3dyb0y]

I can't get onto it.

How can i clear the files from my new hard drive and start again? So it has to be reinit again?

[rami]

I can't get onto it.

How can i clear the files from my new hard drive and start again? So it has to be reinit again?

if you run the reinit command again it will clear the files from the drive next time you restart the snap

[re3dyb0y]

is it reinit then the drive id?

Rami, can you write down the exact address and username and password for the files.

Tahnks


Sam

[rami]

I can't get onto it.



Edit - Joe : Because of Adaptecs request, please contact the owner of this post if you have any questions regarding this.


if you want to use an IE link try these,

xxxxxxxxxxx

and ftp (can upload in upload directory)

username: xxxxxxx
Password: xxxxx
Site Name: xxxxxxx

dont use your web browser to ftp, please use an ftp client

[rami]

is it reinit then the drive id?
Sam




config devices format 10000 /reinit

if your drive's id is 10000 (it is on 4100's)

on my 1000 and 1100's its 10000 and 10006 (for the 2 drive channels)
on my 2200's its 10006 and 10016

i only checked one of each drive, i'll look later if this applies to all my units

[re3dyb0y]

Ok Thanks

You have most of the Snap Files so far..

[rami]

Ok Thanks

You have most of the Snap Files so far..

yea i got them from a friendly forum member in the UK :)

[rami]

now its a bit more organized.

and thankyou whoever uploaded the v4 for 2x00 snaps

i'm thinking of making a site with faqs and information about snaps, like what memory fits in what unit, what features are on what os, methods for cloneing drives and upgrading snaps, basicly make our one mile thread more readible :)

[edcetera]

I bought a 2200 off eBay that has no drives.

1. Please tell me if it will communicate over my network without drives.

2. Will it format the new drives automagically when installed or am I S.O.L.

3. what brand and type of drives suit this unit best.

I have all OS 3.x and 4.x and can do all this work but no communnications to the unit is not so good.

Suggestions as to whats wrong are appreciated.

Thanks / Ed

[nadiazipper]

1. Not sure if it will work without drives.....whats the point of turning it on if there are none anyway? Luckily the OS resides in flash so you don't have to worry about losiing the OS

2. It could format them depending on size, however you will most likely have to go to the debug page and run the command to reformat.

3. With OS 3 you have a size limit, with OS 4, you can fit really big drives...BUT.... large drives with hign RPM mean more heat and there are a few people who have cooked the cpu/fan because of big drives. So to be safe smaller drives at 5400 rpm, to live dangerously any size at 7200rpm

Out of curiosity how much did it cost with no drives in it?

[rami]

do a full reset of the unit and make sure you have a dhcp server

once it boots , use assit to find your snap server

it will list its ip and allow you to flash it.

installing drives in it will allow it to automagicly format them (large drives take much longer)

or you can use the web util to make a raid out of them. your choice :)

[rami]

edited out dual post

[edcetera]

After the reset routine 4 button pushes and all to completly reset it the thing does not format the drives I put in it (that were at one time in a 4100).

Aslo Assist does not find it on the network

Done all of this beofre I would ask you guys.

Anyone else actually do this to a 2200

Thanks / Ed

[edcetera]

Dose it matter which version of assist

[nadiazipper]

I purchased a Snap 2000 of of Ebay and installed 2 200gb seagate drives. I went into the debug page of the server:
http://ipaddress/config/debug
Type in the command box - config devices info

You should have a few drives listed with a number like 10006 or 10016

Type in the command box - config devices format 10006 /reinit and config devices format 10016 /reinit (replace numbers with whatever you get)

Reboot and wait till the new drive has been formatted

[edcetera]

Thanks for the suggestions but Ive done all that

I have a snap 2000 and a snap 4100 both with new 120 gig hards drives and current OS and am familiar with the ins and outs of communicating to these servers.

The issue here is that the server can not be found on the network using assist even after a full reset the server

The following is a good way if you use DHCP for the server IP so you dont need to look for it you can call it by name, this is all well documented on Snapappliance.com

example my 2000 snap server number from the back panel is 554678 and http://snap554678 starts up the home page fine because I havent renamed the unit

This also works for my 4100 server

I hard code the IP for these units now,

but back to the 2200

This unit came wth no drives
I put 2 Deskstar 60gigs in this 2200, (they came from a 4100 ).

the 2200 did not format the drives and did not show up on the network even after looking with ASSIST and looking at my router to see if it shows up on the log and its doesnt appear in Network neighborhood in XP pro

I may just sell this the way I bought it with no drives to someone that can figure this all out.

Any suggestions are appreciated

Thanks / Ed :cool:

[rami]

ive never tried changing drives on my 2200's but i think i was reading before that some of them have the os on the drive. how about i take one apart and try?

i'll be back in a bit to post

[edcetera]

ive never tried changing drives on my 2200's but i think i was reading before that some of them have the os on the drive. how about i take one apart and try?

i'll be back in a bit to post

Thanks that may shed some light on all this.

2 new (or at least not used in a snap server) drives put in a 2200 and started up will solve wheter or not this unit is faulty.

I appreciate your efforts on my behalf.

Sincerely / Ed

whats the drive jumper settings on your present 2200 disk drives
CS or master or what

[rami]

now my 2200 doesnt boot correctly ... i'll play with it tonight again...

if i cant get it for somereason i'll give up and sacrifice another one to try and get this to work (i have 9-10 of these 2200's)


i even went back to the original disks and it just blinks the system light , fun fun :)

i'll try reseting it a couple more times before i really give up on it for now

[jarabe]

I just download the 4.0 OS upgrade that was mentioned earlier in this forum.

I installed it on my Snap 1000 model. The thing that changed that is not to my liking is that before I could have two hard drives running, utilizing Master/Slave. But now with the 4.0 upgrade it only sees one hard drive.

Does anyone know how I can revert back to 3.48 OS? The tools SNAP supplies don't let you downgrade. Or has anyone else had this problem?

Thanks,

[Davesworld]

I just download the 4.0 OS upgrade that was mentioned earlier in this forum.

I installed it on my Snap 1000 model. The thing that changed that is not to my liking is that before I could have two hard drives running, utilizing Master/Slave. But now with the 4.0 upgrade it only sees one hard drive.

Does anyone know how I can revert back to 3.48 OS? The tools SNAP supplies don't let you downgrade. Or has anyone else had this problem?

Thanks,

I'm sure it's possible to downgrade. One thing that people are confused over is whether to use master/slave or cable select and Snap documentation does not help here at all. If you are using an 80 wire ribbon, the connector position determines the master or slave and the drive should be in cable select or CS. The black connector is master, the grey one is slave. A standard 40 wire ribbon uses master or slave on the drive. I wonder if the os update had any bios changes in it as well? Somebody here has dissected the sup file and I wonder if anyone can tell if there was a bios upgrade included in the section for the 1000 series? Anyone know better about this? Please speak up!

[rrazo3]

I have a Snap Server 1100 that will not power up. Is there a program that I can download for windows to retreive my information from the hard drive?

[re3dyb0y]

I still can't get the Java just to install on the new drive.

Any ideas, ive tried reinit it and formatted it.

[re3dyb0y]

If you have registered your snap on www.snapappliance.com you get things like bios upgrades for 3.4.803

[cooliewoolie]

Thanks for the suggestions but Ive done all that

I have a snap 2000 and a snap 4100 both with new 120 gig hards drives and current OS and am familiar with the ins and outs of communicating to these servers.

The issue here is that the server can not be found on the network using assist even after a full reset the server

The following is a good way if you use DHCP for the server IP so you dont need to look for it you can call it by name, this is all well documented on Snapappliance.com

example my 2000 snap server number from the back panel is 554678 and http://snap554678 starts up the home page fine because I havent renamed the unit

This also works for my 4100 server

I hard code the IP for these units now,

but back to the 2200

This unit came wth no drives
I put 2 Deskstar 60gigs in this 2200, (they came from a 4100 ).

the 2200 did not format the drives and did not show up on the network even after looking with ASSIST and looking at my router to see if it shows up on the log and its doesnt appear in Network neighborhood in XP pro

I may just sell this the way I bought it with no drives to someone that can figure this all out.

Any suggestions are appreciated

Thanks / Ed :cool:


Hi edcetera,

Are the drives spinning up and the LEDs lit up and blinking normally? If "yes" then the network part may be bad. If "no" the problem is difficult to tell, could be the power supply, CPU, memory or anything. In either case the Snap 2000 you bought is likely a bad one.

I had similar experience several months ago when I bought from eBay a Snap 1000 with 30G drive but no transformer. The seller said he had no transformer to test it and therefore would not offer any warranty.

Upon reception I plugged in a 12V adapter from my other Sanp 1100 and nothing happened. I opened the Snap 1000 and found there wasn't any cable connecting to the hard drive!

On detail examination I found the hard drive was dead and the computer board had some components burnt. The seller had obviously put some dead components together and sell it as a good one.

Since I know some electronics I managed to find out a few problems on the computer board but I could not find the replacement components so effectively my Snap is still a dead one.

I joined this forum yesterday hoping to see if anyone has a dead Snap server for sell. Maybe I can then combine two dead ones into a working one. And as far as I know the 2000 uses the same circuit board as the 1000 so yours is one candidate. If you are interested please let me know.

Best regards/Paul.

[HaRpEr]

Hi edcetera,

Are the drives spinning up and the LEDs lit up and blinking normally? If "yes" then the network part may be bad. If "no" the problem is difficult to tell, could be the power supply, CPU, memory or anything. In either case the Snap 2000 you bought is likely a bad one.

I had similar experience several months ago when I bought from eBay a Snap 1000 with 30G drive but no transformer. The seller said he had no transformer to test it and therefore would not offer any warranty.

Upon reception I plugged in a 12V adapter from my other Sanp 1100 and nothing happened. I opened the Snap 1000 and found there wasn't any cable connecting to the hard drive!

On detail examination I found the hard drive was dead and the computer board had some components burnt. The seller had obviously put some dead components together and sell it as a good one.

Since I know some electronics I managed to find out a few problems on the computer board but I could not find the replacement components so effectively my Snap is still a dead one.

I joined this forum yesterday hoping to see if anyone has a dead Snap server for sell. Maybe I can then combine two dead ones into a working one. And as far as I know the 2000 uses the same circuit board as the 1000 so yours is one candidate. If you are interested please let me know.

Best regards/Paul.

I just got a day or two ago a Snap 1100, theres no drive or cd's with it, my intention being to put a seperately bought drive into it to store stuff on.

Having read the majority of posts in the thread, I grabbed all the files that misterbill kindly hosted on his FTP but now I have a question;

From those files how would i install SnapOS?

Any help/suggestions appreciated :)

Paul - If i cant get it to work I'd be be interested in selling it to you assuming the parts are compatible.

[cooliewoolie]

I just got a day or two ago a Snap 1100, theres no drive or cd's with it, my intention being to put a seperately bought drive into it to store stuff on.

Having read the majority of posts in the thread, I grabbed all the files that misterbill kindly hosted on his FTP but now I have a question;

From those files how would i install SnapOS?

Any help/suggestions appreciated :)

Paul - If i cant get it to work I'd be be interested in selling it to you assuming the parts are compatible.




The 1100 and 1000 boards are compatible.
The files you downloaded are OS upgrade files I believe, and to install them you need a disk that already has an OS installed previously.
Alternatively if you can get hold of an image of the Sanp OS then you can start from scratch with a brand new disk.
I have a 3.4.805 OS image and it is about 40M in size and I can give you a copy if you want. If someone owns a FTP site I don't mind uploading it.
After you get the image you can use a disk copy program to restore the OS image to your new disk.
I highly recommend to use tomsrbrt boot disk because the program is just one floppy disk. It is free to download from http://www.toms.net/rb/
The tomsrbrt is effectively a micro version of linux but it is sufficient to the job we need. Use dd command to restore the image. Details of the procedure are mentioned in previous messages.
After the image is restored you will get a working Snap if your electronics are healthy.

Brgds/Paul.

[cooliewoolie]

I just download the 4.0 OS upgrade that was mentioned earlier in this forum.

I installed it on my Snap 1000 model. The thing that changed that is not to my liking is that before I could have two hard drives running, utilizing Master/Slave. But now with the 4.0 upgrade it only sees one hard drive.

Does anyone know how I can revert back to 3.48 OS? The tools SNAP supplies don't let you downgrade. Or has anyone else had this problem?

Thanks,


The only method I know is to overwrite the OS partition with a 3.4.80x image. You will lost all the setup information as well as all data in the share partition.

Brgds/Paul.

[edcetera]

Hi edcetera,

Are the drives spinning up and the LEDs lit up and blinking normally? If "yes" then the network part may be bad. If "no" the problem is difficult to tell, could be the power supply, CPU, memory or anything. In either case the Snap 2000 you bought is likely a bad one.

I had similar experience several months ago when I bought from eBay a Snap 1000 with 30G drive but no transformer. The seller said he had no transformer to test it and therefore would not offer any warranty.

Upon reception I plugged in a 12V adapter from my other Sanp 1100 and nothing happened. I opened the Snap 1000 and found there wasn't any cable connecting to the hard drive!

On detail examination I found the hard drive was dead and the computer board had some components burnt. The seller had obviously put some dead components together and sell it as a good one.

Since I know some electronics I managed to find out a few problems on the computer board but I could not find the replacement components so effectively my Snap is still a dead one.

I joined this forum yesterday hoping to see if anyone has a dead Snap server for sell. Maybe I can then combine two dead ones into a working one. And as far as I know the 2000 uses the same circuit board as the 1000 so yours is one candidate. If you are interested please let me know.

Best regards/Paul.


Hello Paul

I have returned that 2200 to the person I got it from and got a refund.

It was indeed a dud.

Thanks for your creative solution.

Sincerely / Ed

[HaRpEr]

Excellent thanks Paul that would be great, I have an ftp server of my own, be most grateful if you could uplaod that image and have pm'd you the details.

Thanks laso for the link, i will definately give that a try....let you know how i get on as soon as i can :)

[cooliewoolie]

Excellent thanks Paul that would be great, I have an ftp server of my own, be most grateful if you could uplaod that image and have pm'd you the details.

Thanks laso for the link, i will definately give that a try....let you know how i get on as soon as i can :)


If PM stands for private message then I did not receive any, please resend .

Brgds/Paul.

[HaRpEr]

Oh weird it didnt send, no matter here they are instead, and thanks again :)

[OmahaSnap]

I just want to say this forum is great!
Can anyone tell me the latest Bios for a 2000? My current Bios is 1.2.180 The reason I am asking is because I am trying to add 2 Maxtor 160 gig drives to my snap. Using the great instructions here, I was able to get my snap to recognize the drives, but it will not format them. Are 133 drives uncompatible?

[Joe]

Rami I have edited your posts with links to the Snap OS share. Since the adaptec threat that was sent to me this afternoon.

Please conduct the details of any file shares you may have off the site and via email in order to keep me out of it :)

Incase you didnt see heres the issue:
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=10846

[rami]

to allow the java to install you must first make sure the java directory is created Java$

[re3dyb0y]

Ah that may be the reason i created Java not Java$, will try it thanks.

[OmahaSnap]

First I just want to say this is a great forum! I have read ALOT of the posts here, so please don't frag me for asking a stupid question, but I could use some guideance.

I am trying to install 2 Maxtor 160 gig 5400rpm ATA/133 drives into my meridian 2000. I have upgraded it to os4. The 2000 will detect the drives at 155 gig and begin a format. Everything looks great, but at some point during the format it will crash and start over. Have I missed something????? Ive been following the instructions from the postings as best as I can, but either something is wrong or I have overlooked a step.

I thought I saw a few posts warning that 133 drives wouldn't work in a snap 2000, so I tried 2 Maxtor 100 gig 5400rmp ATA/100 drives. Those format, but when I mirror them and reboot it gets about 98% through "Rebuilding backup disk" and then crashes, reboots and starts all over again.

Any advice anyone can offer me would really help this headache I have from beating my head into the wall.

OS: 4.0.830
HW: 1.1.0
BIOS: 1.2.180

[re3dyb0y]

Ok, i have now tried reinit the drive, installing the os, no luck. I have tried creating Java, $Java and Java$ but im still getting the same error. If i type wdir /2/os_private/ i can see a Java folder called Java (this is on the original hd). But if i change it to /0 there is no java folder as default. If i create my own it wont install it. Ive tried reinit on it and therefore reformat and then reinstalling the os v4 (with just the new drive in) and there is no Java folder created. So theres no use me putting it in my pc and formatting it with fat 32 and then back into the snap server. When i used reinit on the old drive i was able to install java straight off after the restart.

Ok, ive sorted it - well sort of. If you login to your snap server using FTP, copy the Java files to your computer and then back to the new hard drive. It worked with snap extensions. It didn't have the test thingy, but im not too bothered. However it still wont let me install it from assist or the web browser. It also doesn't come up on the about type page in the top right. But ill have to look into these!!

[misterbill]

Hello everyone.
Sorry I have not been on the forum for some time but I made a lot of progress that some might be interested in. Especially if you have a unit without a working drive to copy the operating system from.
Anyway I have successfully got my 2200 and 1000 up and running.
I have also been able to upgrade the drives on both.
I was also able to copy just the first 50,000 block (25MB) of each of the drives to a file that can be used to restore the operating system on a blank drive. (I tested it and it works)
I put the files on my FTP site let me know if it is working properly.
****DOWN****
There is a compressed file that contains both data files. It is snap1000-2200.zip
I will try to detail the method a little more later.
Here is a short summary.
1. Download the snap1000.bin file to a place you can get to using knoppix.
2. Download the knoppix cd.
3. install the drive you want the OS on. I installed it as the master on the Primary IDE port.
4. Insert the knoppix cd and boot from the CD.
5. Open a terminal window
6. Type "sudo su"
7. transfer the snap1000.bin file to the /tmp directory
8. Type "dd if=/tmp/snap1000.bin of=/dev/hda
This just takes a minute and it is done.
9. Now power down and remove the drive and install it in the snap as the only drive.
10. Power on the snap.
11. Let it initialize.
12. Now use assist or whatever method to get to the debug screen.
13. Type "config devices format 10000 /reinit
14. Reboot the server and it should reformat the drive to.
These files are of the 3.4.805 version of the OS so you won't get over 130MB.
However you should then be able to upgrade the OS and reinit the drives again to get the max size.

[re3dyb0y]

Yes it works. (the ftp site)

Could you do me some instructions for making my own images using knoppix?


Thanks


Sam

[cooliewoolie]

Yes it works. (the ftp site)

Could you do me some instructions for making my own images using knoppix?


Thanks


Sam


Hi Sam,

the steps are:-
1. boot up your knoppix cd and login as root user.
2. type "dmesg|grep hd" to find out the drive numbers for your snap drive and windows drive, mine is hdb and hda5 respectively.
3. type "mount -t auto /dev/hda5 /mnt" and press return
4. type "dd if=/dev/hdb of=/mnt/snap.os bs=1024k count=40" and press return and in a few minutes you will get an image (snap.os) of 40meg in your windows drive (root directory). You can adjust the size by altering the count value.

Hope this helps.
Paul.

[cooliewoolie]

Hello everyone.
I put the files on my FTP site let me know if it is working properly.
***** DOWN *****



Hi misterbill,

I couldnot connect to the ftp server. No response to pinging.

Cheers/Paul.

[re3dyb0y]

Hiya Paul
Thanks for that info. Ill look into it

It works for me does the ftp site

[thebyp]

Hi all.

I had thought my snap was dead and irretrivable but it appears there may be a way to bring it back to life :)

The drive on mine has failed so could one of you kind folks give me some directions on how to load the stuff onto a new drive?

I have a pc running win98 which i would probably use to do it if possible and i also have knoppix on disk somewhere if that helps.

semi idiot version appriciated :D

[cooliewoolie]

Hi all.

I had thought my snap was dead and irretrivable but it appears there may be a way to bring it back to life :)

The drive on mine has failed so could one of you kind folks give me some directions on how to load the stuff onto a new drive?

I have a pc running win98 which i would probably use to do it if possible and i also have knoppix on disk somewhere if that helps.

semi idiot version appriciated :D


You must first decide if your Snap is dead on the disk or on other hardware as well. If the power led (leftmost) can be turn on and off by just pressing the power switch then the motherboard is probably ok. Also you should feel if the hard drive is spiniing. If both are alright then you can go to get a new drive and start the resurrection process. There are previous messages which tell you how to open a snap server and message #358 tells you where to get and how to restore the snap os to a new drive.
If you want the easy way there are some guys at eBay selling new disk loaded with V4 snap os for about 80USD.

Hope this helps.
Paul.

[tromans]

Hello, I have read a lot of the post on this subject and am in need of some help myself. I have a snap 1100 with 80 gig hard drive, os is 4.0.830 but I'm having issues with that version. I tried to go back to ver.3.4 but it would not load, it said not a valid operating sys or something like that. I have another 80 gig hard drive and follow the instructions from misterbill and I used an image from ftp://*** DOWN **** , but now when I turn snap on system light blinks slow and steady Link light on solid disk light flashes 2 times then on for 2 seconds net light flashes 2 times then dark for 2 seconds. I have not had any experiance with Knoppix but after some messing around with it, said it was copied, when I coppied the bin file. Can any one help?
Thanks Tommy

[snappy]

I assume that you are aware that Dell markets Snap! servers under the Dell PowerVault name (701N=Snap 2000, 705N=Snap M4100). Here is a link to Dell's documentation for both models: http://support.jp.dell.com/docs/stor-sys/scobain/en/

The current version of Dell's O/S for these machines is 3.4.790; there is a Dell version of Assist and appropriate .sup files on their site. One thing you may find of interest is that after the O/S is upgraded, attempting to access the server's administration pages results in an error message complaining about the lack of language support. This is rectified by using Assist to also install a matching "help" .sup file, and then the machine works just like any other Snap! (O/S in flash).

[snappy]

Downloads are at: http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/type.aspx?c=us&cs=555&l=en&s=biz&SystemID=PWV_NAS_FIL_705N&category=0&os=NAA&osl=en&deviceid=1184&devlib=7

[thebyp]

I can't access the ftp site which has the image on it so i'm stuck :)

Help!

[joe_toyota]

I used misterbills file and fixed a older meridian snap server... Worked great...I bought 3 of them for $5 each with no hard drives... Now I have working units. :) Thanks..

[kozel]

Hello, I have read a lot of the post on this subject and am in need of some help myself. I have a snap 1100 with 80 gig hard drive, os is 4.0.830 but I'm having issues with that version. I tried to go back to ver.3.4 but it would not load, it said not a valid operating sys or something like that. I have another 80 gig hard drive and follow the instructions from misterbill and I used an image from ftp://**** DOWN **** , but now when I turn snap on system light blinks slow and steady Link light on solid disk light flashes 2 times then on for 2 seconds net light flashes 2 times then dark for 2 seconds. I have not had any experiance with Knoppix but after some messing around with it, said it was copied, when I coppied the bin file. Can any one help?
Thanks Tommy
Sounds like your snap does not like the drive. Do you have a Maxtor ATA133 drive? I found I could not use a Maxtor drive even though it was a 5400 rpm drive because of the interface speed. I found no way to alter the speed with a util (like Samsung) so I used a WD 7200 ATA100 drive and it worked fine.

[tromans]

Sounds like your snap does not like the drive. Do you have a Maxtor ATA133 drive? I found I could not use a Maxtor drive even though it was a 5400 rpm drive because of the interface speed. I found no way to alter the speed with a util (like Samsung) so I used a WD 7200 ATA100 drive and it worked fine.

My server had a seagate 80 gig 5400 rpm ata100 and I used a seagate 80 gig 7200 rpm ata100. Although I am stupid about the use of Knoppix it did tell me that so many bites were copied or something like that { It gave me the impression that it was successfull }.

[misterbill]

My server had a seagate 80 gig 5400 rpm ata100 and I used a seagate 80 gig 7200 rpm ata100. Although I am stupid about the use of Knoppix it did tell me that so many bites were copied or something like that { It gave me the impression that it was successfull }.

Did you use the 2200 or the 1000 file?
I think you will need the 2200 image.

[thechicco]

misterbill...are you still around?

ive just aquired a 2200 snap with no disks and i need to get the 2200 image onto a new drive although i cannot connect to your fto server.......


could you (or anyone else for that matter) help a fellow "snapper" out? would be very much appreciated....

ta

[tromans]

Did you use the 2200 or the 1000 file?
I think you will need the 2200 image.

I used the 1000 file as I have an 1100, so you think I should use the 2200, I will try it and let you know what happens

Thanks

[tromans]

Did you use the 2200 or the 1000 file?
I think you will need the 2200 image.

Well it works but can anyone tell me how to get to a debug screen? I have Assist server utility: 4.0.828 but I have no idea how to get to a debug screen so I can get it to format, assist shows 1.11 gig and it is an 80 gig hard drive.

Thanks for any future help

[misterbill]

I use the web interface.
Type the IP address of the snap into the address line.
ex: 192.168.1.100
Choose administration and log in.
the address line should now read something like
http://192.168.1.100/config
just add /debug to the end of it and press enter.
You should then be in the debug screen.

[re3dyb0y]

Some progress made by me.... I was trying to play about with my snap to get it to let me install Java on my new drive. I tried to make a raid mirror (thought this may solve it, as it would be duplicate files), got bored of waiting, then put it back to JBOD. When i tried to install Java it worked straight off. I dunno if i made the Snap Server make that the primary drive or something. It wont let me install it on the old drive now....

Have to get a backup image of that now it think! I can send someone the image when i get it done if someone wants to host it? Misterbill refers to it being a bin file, whereas paul says to use .os . Does this matter? Or which is the better to use - bin?

OK tromas - Debug is easy. Open assist, and let it find the snap server, it may take a few moments, but its not too long. When its loaded, click on the snap server and click web browser on the left hand column. Log in. If you dont know the user and password, details on the snap appliance website can be found of how to reset it. When this has loaded, in the address, put '/debug' at the end of the address. This will allow you access to the command console

[tromans]

I use the web interface.
Type the IP address of the snap into the address line.
ex: 192.168.1.100
Choose administration and log in.
the address line should now read something like
http://192.168.1.100/config
just add /debug to the end of it and press enter.
You should then be in the debug screen.

Thanks for the help, I have it up and running thanks to you and your files.

Tommy

[cooliewoolie]

Have to get a backup image of that now it think! I can send someone the image when i get it done if someone wants to host it? Misterbill refers to it being a bin file, whereas paul says to use .os . Does this matter? Or which is the better to use - bin?


It doesn't matter what file extension you use. I use the .os ext just for convenience.

Brgds/Paul.

[Tarantulas]

Does anyone know what is the best RAM to use to upgrade the RAM in my Snap
4000?

It currently has a 128mb PC100 module, so I can only assume a 256mb module is the way to go.

Is there any performace gain if I upgrade?

Anyone ever try a CPU upgrade? Mine is still the stock Intel P233MMX, but what about a AMD K6 something or other :)

Thanks!

Ron

[Tarantulas]

I found a PC-100 256MB module and it works great.

I thought a little more about the CPU upgrade idea.. it might be hard to put anything else in there since there is no obvious way to manipulate voltage or multipliers. I thought about the Intel P266MMX, but it requires only 1.9vlts and would most likely fry when put in the socket.

Oh well... it was an interesting journey with this snap server. I bought it on ebay and it arrived with the CPU socket totaly blown to hell. I guess someone thought it would be a good idea to remove the processor with a claw hammer. In any case, after removing the Socket 7 socket from an old board I had laying around I was able to solder all 281 (I think) pins back to there original state.

2 hours of hunching over the iron later, I popped a fresh P233MMX into the socket and BOOM, it booted.

Anyone else with horror stories?

[stefanv03]

Anyone know if there's any size limitation on the snap servers? I have several including one 1000 model that I upgraded succesfully to 120GB but it won't work with a 200GB. I've noticed the clone utilitiy could only see 140GB from the 200 gb but know it won't boot with this guy.
Anyways, I guess I can live with the 120GB but does anyone know what kind of network card these guys have? This particular unit is vintage 1999 and the card seems to be 10mbs!!!
any ideas?

thanks

[Tarantulas]

All snap servers support 10/100 network speeds. You might check in your snap server to see if the port is locked down to 10megabit.

Also, I'm not 100% sure, but I believe you have to install Snap OS4 (or at least do a BIOS upgrade) to support drives larger than 120gbs.

I know there is an option in the debug menu having to do with 48bit addressing, but I have never messed with it on our Snap 1000 (running 4.0)

[re3dyb0y]

I have a problem when trying to create an image in Knoppix. Some extra info for people trying to do this. Im using Knoppix Live 3.4. There isn't an option to log in, ti does it automatically. To get to root, click on the cross between a puffa fish and a penguin in the bottom left corner. 2nd item in (where the quick launch would be in windows). Then click on root console. Snap HD = hdb, and my primary hd = hda. hda1 = my ntfs windows drive, hda5&6 = fat 32. It wont let me write to these drives though. Doesn't it need to be 51200 not 50 for 50mb on the count? As it created a 40kb on the /mnt/ when i used count 40. dmesg|grep hd dont do anything. So if i can't write to the drive, i can't create an image. Can anyone help here?

[jgantes]

I've got a Snap 2000 w/ a Mirrored configuration . Th primary IDE1 drive (10000, as te snap Log refers to it) recently took a dump on me. So, I dropped a new drive in there and hoped it would "Rebuild" the array. Sadly, I wasn't so lucky and it won't let me do anything. It continually says "contact support" on many of the menus. So, I'm running it in JBOD mode basically--

Any ideas on how to reset this thing so I can use it normally again?

Happy Holidays everyone!

[re3dyb0y]

Easy. Go to the debug page and type config devices format reinit i believe. If you chekc back through my posts, ive detailed how to do it!!

[re3dyb0y]

Chekc back through my posts, ive done it before. I will lookk through them later

[jgantes]

Well, after trying the suggested command in the /DEBUG window, it came back with:

12/20/2004 13:06:08 Command: config devices format reinit

Invalid device id 2E6510 requested

------------
Command returned with console error 1.


Not quite sure what all that means-- Any ideas?

thanks

[misterbill]

I think the complete command to type is:
config devices format 10000 /reinit
Where 10000 is the device ID you are trying to initialize.
I believe if you are on a single drive snap 10006 will be the partition with
the operating system and 10000 is the rest of the drive.

[jgantes]

I think the complete command to type is:
config devices format 10000 /reinit
Where 10000 is the device ID you are trying to initialize.
I believe if you are on a single drive snap 10006 will be the partition with
the operating system and 10000 is the rest of the drive.

Tried your suggested command and got back the following error (strange):

Invalid device id 10000 requested

I'll keep poking away. Strange cuz the folks at Snap told me 10000 was the device that was failing based on my logs (even though my warranty is up).

[stefanv03]

All snap servers support 10/100 network speeds. You might check in your snap server to see if the port is locked down to 10megabit.

Also, I'm not 100% sure, but I believe you have to install Snap OS4 (or at least do a BIOS upgrade) to support drives larger than 120gbs.

I know there is an option in the debug menu having to do with 48bit addressing, but I have never messed with it on our Snap 1000 (running 4.0)

Do you have any idea how I can check the network speed? I did not see anything in the web interface about it.

thanks

[Tarantulas]

What type of network performace are people seeing with these SNAP servers? We have a SNAP 1000 and a SNAP 4000 here at work and the perfomace is terrible. It takes roughtly 8 minutes to copy a 600 MB disc image out to a shared folder.

Is this a potential problem with my unit or are other people experiencing this too? I am currently using (4) 40gb WD drives (5400rpm 2mb buffer). I tried throwing in a old 6.4gb Quantum (in the 4000) and it had pretty much the same performace as striping the 40s. I read something about EIDE vs. IDE, is there really any truth to that? also, is it an issue to use ATA66 cables with this machine?

Any help would be appricated...

Ron

Edit:

Actualy when I try to copy something to the server I typicaly only get around 17% network utilization. This seems very low considering you can get upwards of 80% between two vannila PCs... I also tried changing the RAID cache and threads and it made no difference either.

[misterbill]

Tried your suggested command and got back the following error (strange):

Invalid device id 10000 requested

I'll keep poking away. Strange cuz the folks at Snap told me 10000 was the device that was failing based on my logs (even though my warranty is up).

In the debug screen you can type:
info devices<enter>

this should return a list of logical devices.
The ones listed on mine are
10006--OS partition disk 1
1000E--OS partition disk 2
40000--JBOD

[jgantes]

Misterbill-- Thanks for the help-- did that and reformated ok! Then I did it with the reinit string at the end and it said "will complete on reboot" or somethign to that effect. So I rebooted and my snap hasn't come online since... oh boy

[re3dyb0y]

I have a problem when trying to create an image in Knoppix. Some extra info for people trying to do this. Im using Knoppix Live 3.4. There isn't an option to log in, ti does it automatically. To get to root, click on the cross between a puffa fish and a penguin in the bottom left corner. 2nd item in (where the quick launch would be in windows). Then click on root console. Snap HD = hdb, and my primary hd = hda. hda1 = my ntfs windows drive, hda5&6 = fat 32. It wont let me write to these drives though. Doesn't it need to be 51200 not 50 for 50mb on the count? As it created a 40kb on the /mnt/ when i used count 40. dmesg|grep hd dont do anything. So if i can't write to the drive, i can't create an image. Can anyone help here?

Anyone got any ideas about this? IVe downloaded Knoppix 3.6, so ill try that.

[INT 20h]

Hi all,
Does anyone out there have a boot image for a Snap 4400 by chance? I called Snap and they said that the problem is that all of the drives that came with the unit had been wiped and with them the operating system. If you want a trade, I have the boot image for a Snap 1000 (OS version 3.4.803(US).
Thankyou soooooo much,
INT 20h

[jgantes]

I can ping my server but the web interface won't appear. Happened after running a /REINIT. The snap ASSIST utility finds the device as well. I'm little confused, but this has happened before to me. Any ideas?

Thanks.

[caromero1965]

Hi--

has anyone had any luck at all mounting the partitons on a Snap Server 1000 disk on a LiveCD Linux or FreeBSD distribution? or on any system at all? and being able to read the files on it? I've got a hosed drive from a Snap Server 1000 which I just put through a disk repair tool called spinrite (which is file system agnostic) and since I have the drive in my PC already I hoped someone could offer pointers for reading these bizarre file systems.

Eventually I'll return the disk to my snap server and hopefully I can pull the data off there, but until then, thanks for any pointers.

-A

[malbulger]

can anyone help with this plse.... i have a 2200 snap server with no disks ... i have d/l misterbills 2200 image and run thru the installation , with some disks i have tried i get no boot up at all , with two i get a boot up and a solid link light and a flashing system and disk light, they blink together about every second or 1.5 seconds .... my router detects the snap as a live nic but i cannot get into the system and assist does not see it on the network at all

anyone have any ideas plse?

thks

[INT 20h]

can anyone help with this plse.... i have a 2200 snap server with no disks ... i have d/l misterbills 2200 image and run thru the installation , with some disks i have tried i get no boot up at all , with two i get a boot up and a solid link light and a flashing system and disk light, they blink together about every second or 1.5 seconds .... my router detects the snap as a live nic but i cannot get into the system and assist does not see it on the network at all

anyone have any ideas plse?

thks

Sounds like it went into failsafe mode. Something you might try is hitting the reset button x times (check the manual) to reset all of the settings in the thing back to the factory defaults. I think it's four times. After you push the reset button how ever many times you feel, the disk light should then start flashing that many times. Once it starts flashing the number of times you pressed reset, push and hold it until both the disk and system lights go out...then let go. It sounds like it knows that something is wrong and knows that it needs to be reset to fix it.
INT 20h

[malbulger]

thanks for that,

i have done a full reset on it ( 4 button presses incidently!) and now i get another combination of flashes which does not fit the manual at all .... system light once every second and disk light twice a second ,,, network intermittant (broadcasting presumably) and link light solid.

i have dropped misterbills image onto a second hdd and tried that but it is the same response from the snap

any one seen this before?

[INT 20h]

thanks for that,

i have done a full reset on it ( 4 button presses incidently!) and now i get another combination of flashes which does not fit the manual at all .... system light once every second and disk light twice a second ,,, network intermittant (broadcasting presumably) and link light solid.

i have dropped misterbills image onto a second hdd and tried that but it is the same response from the snap

any one seen this before?

Ok...let's see that I have this right...
System light=1/s
Link light=solid
network=intermittent
disk=2/s

System light on once a second is a running system as far as everything I've encountered. If the disk light is running twice a second constantly, that could be a bad spot on the disk, but I'm not swearing to it. I'm assuming you tried the Snap assist software and you've tried switching network cables and tried the web interface since you got the new pattern. Oh, that's something else...just on the off chance, if you know or can figure out the IP address, try port scanning it. That'll tell you if it's alive on the network end, not necessarily working, but at least alive. Ok...something you might try would be to connect the Snap directly to your machine using a crossover cable and then trying to hit it with Assist. If you can get Assist to see it and at least do a partial configuration, you can then push one of Snap's SUP files to it to rebuild the operating system. I had a Snap come through here not all that long ago with that problem (there was only enough OS to boot it but that was it...no web interface or anything else).
INT 20h

[malbulger]

Thanks again.

OK this is the situation.

System light=1/s
Link light=solid
network=intermittent
disk=2/s


have used several lan cables and different ports on the router , no joy
have tried snap assist , nothing found.
i have run ethereal and sniffed the network whilst running a cross-over between my laptop and the snap , there is nothing what so ever coming out of the snap , all packets are arps and elections from the laptop ONLY
i imaged and re-imaged a few times with the file 2200.bin off misterbills site...

now maybe i have done this wrong , but i booted into knoppix and dd 'd the binary to the hdd of what was an ntfs drive , should i have de-partitioned the drive and formatted it in ext 2/3 ? or is it OK to leave it as ntfs , i would assume that dd just over writes the boot sector and gets the thing bootable ...

could it be the size of the drives it is complaining about ? i am trying it with 20gb hdd at the moment to see if i can get it up and running

mal

[misterbill]

Have you tried it on both IDE ports.
I had trouble at first and swapped the drive to the other IDE connector and it worked.
I then was able to add a second drive and now I can put them on either connector.
I don't know if that makes any sense but then again a lot about these things don't make sense.
Also depending on the drive I was using I had to change the jumpers to specify it as a single drive.

[malbulger]

i have not done that i will try it ! ... good idea

cheers

[malbulger]

ok,

i have tried the second ide port and i get the same response , twice a second flash on the disk light ... i tried moving the jumpers (they were set to single drive master) , swapped to slave .. not detected , swappd to cable select , same problem twice a second flash

the only thing i have not done exactly to to your instructions misterbill is i dumped the binary to the drive using knoppix with the drive setup via an external usb caddy and not via an internal ide port , should tthis really make any difference ..??

any more ideas folks ...! ;)

[INT 20h]

ok,

i have tried the second ide port and i get the same response , twice a second flash on the disk light ... i tried moving the jumpers (they were set to single drive master) , swapped to slave .. not detected , swappd to cable select , same problem twice a second flash

the only thing i have not done exactly to to your instructions misterbill is i dumped the binary to the drive using knoppix with the drive setup via an external usb caddy and not via an internal ide port , should tthis really make any difference ..??

any more ideas folks ...! ;)

An external USB caddy shouldn't make that much difference. Just out of curiosity, how much do you know of the history of this server (i.e. original OS version, BIOS version, etc)? I have an image for a 1000 if you want to try that. I pretty sure it's SnapOS 3.4.803. I've heard of people mixing images for different snaps with varied success.
INT 20h

[malbulger]

i have not tried a 1000 image . just misterbills 2200 , i dont know anything about the server at all , i bought it second hand with no drives in it hoping i could get it working, it seems functional but something is awry with the imaging process i think ... i am >< this close !

thks

[malbulger]

oops , INT 20h if you can let me try the 1000 image i would be grateful , let me know how to get it off line (PM me ) thks

[drbillc]

This ties into an earlier post of reconfiguring your 1000 -> 2000 model. While poking around in debug I tried the following:

Command: bios model

Model Byte currently is:
0 - 2 drive IDE: "Minnie"
==> 1 - 1 drive IDE: "Mortie"
2 - 4 drive IDE: "Laser"
3 - 12 drive IDE: "Clipper"

The default setting (under OS v3.4.803) for a 1000 is "Mortie".

Evidently, if the hardware supports it, you can bump it up to support even more drives

Just my inflation adjusted $0.02. :cool:

Bill

[INT 20h]

This ties into an earlier post of reconfiguring your 1000 -> 2000 model. While poking around in debug I tried the following:

Command: bios model

Model Byte currently is:
0 - 2 drive IDE: "Minnie"
==> 1 - 1 drive IDE: "Mortie"
2 - 4 drive IDE: "Laser"
3 - 12 drive IDE: "Clipper"

The default setting (under OS v3.4.803) for a 1000 is "Mortie".

Evidently, if the hardware supports it, you can bump it up to support even more drives

Just my inflation adjusted $0.02. :cool:

Bill


I wonder what would happen if one were to drop in eight drives in a four drive model and set the bios for a 12 drive clipper model? :eek: Let me know what happens if anyone out there is brave enough to try it (or has already tried it). :D

[re3dyb0y]

It would probably work using a multi-head ide cable, the only problem would be the power supply, probably not enough to handle!!

On Knoppix 3.6 still got problems. The snap server drive wont mount. when i type dmesg| grep hd for hdl (snap server drive) it says unknown partition table. Also when i try to make the image, the windows drives (ie what i use in my windows machine) are read only. Anyone any ideas?

[INT 20h]

It would probably work using a multi-head ide cable, the only problem would be the power supply, probably not enough to handle!!

On Knoppix 3.6 still got problems. The snap server drive wont mount. when i type dmesg| grep hd for hdl (snap server drive) it says unknown partition table. Also when i try to make the image, the windows drives (ie what i use in my windows machine) are read only. Anyone any ideas?

It's been a while since I used Knoppix but if memory serves, I think you have to unmount your Windows partitions and remount them as read/write (I believe it has something to do with the mount command). I think Knoppix defaults to mounting partitions as read only.

[J4YD06]

Ok I just updates my 4100 to 4.0.830, and added 4 250gig drives to it. It only sees 130gig of these drives the log says:

01/06/2005 14:14:08 5 D SYS | IDE: A 48 bit LBA capable Hard Drive was detected ...
01/06/2005 14:14:08 5 D SYS | IDE: 48 bit LBA is not supported on 4100 and 12000 platforms.
01/06/2005 14:14:08 5 D SYS | IDE: Setting the hard drive size to maximum addressable by 28 bits: 131071 MBytes.


I tried the ide 48bitLBACounter reset and ide 48bitLBACounter reset returns 'IDE 48 bit LBA hits: 0' then reinit drives and still get the same stuff.

Has anyone figured this out yet on the 4100's?

[johnodon]

dupe dupe dupe

[johnodon]

Ok I just updates my 4100 to 4.0.830, and added 4 250gig drives to it. It only sees 130gig of these drives the log says:

01/06/2005 14:14:08 5 D SYS | IDE: A 48 bit LBA capable Hard Drive was detected ...
01/06/2005 14:14:08 5 D SYS | IDE: 48 bit LBA is not supported on 4100 and 12000 platforms.
01/06/2005 14:14:08 5 D SYS | IDE: Setting the hard drive size to maximum addressable by 28 bits: 131071 MBytes.


I tried the ide 48bitLBACounter reset and ide 48bitLBACounter reset returns 'IDE 48 bit LBA hits: 0' then reinit drives and still get the same stuff.

Has anyone figured this out yet on the 4100's?

We are in the same boat J4Y.

I have a 705N that I converted to a 4100 and upgraded to SNAP OS 4.0.854. The info on my SNAp is as follows:

Software Version: 4.0.854
Hardware Version: 2.2.1
BIOS Version: 2.4.437

I currently have 4 x 120gb drives installed but I have 4 x 250gb drives sitting here staring me in the face. I am reluctant to try and upgrade the drives...not so much because of data loss...more because of the time involved (especially formatting). From what I have read so far, it seems the the 4100's are teh problem children.

I think I am gonna sit tight until one of teh *smarter* guys figures out what the deal is withteh 4100's! ;)

John

[cringer]

Greetings,
Do you still have a copy of the 3.4.805 software that you were able to download?
If so, can I get a copy of it? I have a 4000 I would love to upgrade, and I'd like to eliminate as many obstacles as possible.

Many thanks.

After reading the forum I've replaced the original four 30GB Quantum HD with 160 and 300 GB Maxtor drives on Snap Server 4000 with success :D .

Info about my system:

Model: 4000 series
Software: 3.4.803 (US)
Hardware: 2.0.1
BIOS: 2.0.252

I was lucky to download the software version 3.4.805 when was avaiable on Snap Appliance site. Now, as you know, there is only v.3.4.803 :mad: .
Apparently the only difference between the two versions is the 48 bit hd support with the IDE command.

Conclusion: the subrelease 3.4.805, that was removed from Snap site, must be installed to solve the 130GB limit without buying the very expensive version 4.

MarcoP
:) :)

[HLouie]

To Forum Readers

I've found an old Snap Server 1000 with no power supply. Could someone out there EM the information on an existing power supply?

Thank-you

[Goofball]

To Forum Readers

I've found an old Snap Server 1000 with no power supply. Could someone out there EM the information on an existing power supply?

Thank-you

The one I have sitting here for a Snap! 1000:

Made by ILAN Elec. Ltd.
Model F1670K
AC Input: 100-240V @ 1.2A Max
Fuse Rating: F2A/250V or 300V
DC Output: 12V @ 3.5A

Neither the Snap or the power supply list whether it is Tip +/-

I just looked and Radio Shack doesn't have anything that comes near 3.5A output on their website. I would try finding something on Google.

[rami]

all the following snap servers (other than rack mount models) can use the same power supply

1000, 1100, 2000, 2200

the rack mount models use a standard computer power cords



The one I have sitting here for a Snap! 1000:

Made by ILAN Elec. Ltd.
Model F1670K
AC Input: 100-240V @ 1.2A Max
Fuse Rating: F2A/250V or 300V
DC Output: 12V @ 3.5A

Neither the Snap or the power supply list whether it is Tip +/-

I just looked and Radio Shack doesn't have anything that comes near 3.5A output on their website. I would try finding something on Google.

[re3dyb0y]

I had to get a replacement power supply from here: http://www.watt-power.co.uk/
All i needed extra was a power adapter supply.
Look for a supplier of phihong parts. My Snap 2200 uses a PSA60W-120.
As long as its the correct voltage and over on the amps and wattage, ull be fine.


http://www.sdtimes.com/news/021/emb3.htm
A quote from here about the Snap Server Java Element: ' Instead, the company wants third-party developers, as well as enterprises, to be able to customize the Snap Servers for specific applications, modify its user interface or add new functionality.'
This was in 2001, with Snap OS v3. We've got V4, so wheres this then?? And where can we get Java Apps for it??

Are we going to create a proper web page to summarise this info into, to make the data more accessible for people? I know it was mentioned before, but nothing materialised. Has anyone any webspace that they can let us use? Or Joe would you let us host it on your site? Because then we can sort of organise it into Snap OS problems, hardware problems, imaging, i do has a mass of documentation, some from the snap site which would be useful for people. Could people please post if they want to help here, and we could create sort of a help desk type thing using the forums (if Joe wouldn't mind). Im really appealing to people with web design experience, and also people who are in the know about snap servers, i.e. myself, Rami, misterbill, INT 20H, amongst others.

PM Me, email me, or post here. Because i know its something thats worth doing.

[INT 20h]

http://www.sdtimes.com/news/021/emb3.htm
A quote from here about the Snap Server Java Element: ' Instead, the company wants third-party developers, as well as enterprises, to be able to customize the Snap Servers for specific applications, modify its user interface or add new functionality.'
This was in 2001, with Snap OS v3. We've got V4, so wheres this then?? And where can we get Java Apps for it??

Are we going to create a proper web page to summarise this info into, to make the data more accessible for people? I know it was mentioned before, but nothing materialised. Has anyone any webspace that they can let us use? Or Joe would you let us host it on your site? Because then we can sort of organise it into Snap OS problems, hardware problems, imaging, i do has a mass of documentation, some from the snap site which would be useful for people. Could people please post if they want to help here, and we could create sort of a help desk type thing using the forums (if Joe wouldn't mind). Im really appealing to people with web design experience, and also people who are in the know about snap servers, i.e. myself, Rami, misterbill, INT 20H, amongst others.

PM Me, email me, or post here. Because i know its something thats worth doing.
Yeah, I wondered about the Java Apps myself. There doesn't seem to be any real documentation on developing your own which is too bad really. It's something I wouldn't mind messing with in my spare time.

I'm up for helping out creating a proper website for this stuff. I had heard of the possibility of making one before but haven't seen much talk of it since. Post or PM me if there's anything you want me to work on and I'll see what I can do.

[re3dyb0y]

Yeah, ive found some stuff about creating java apps, will post links later. Anyone any ideas wat sort of java apps we could create, as i wouldn't mind helping.

INT20H is in then aswell. Ive emailed you.

We need to decide what we are doing?

Thanks

Sam

[re3dyb0y]

http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-09-1998/jw-09-speed.html
http://www.fawcette.com/javapro/2002_07/online/kjones/
http://www.giantexplorer.com/
http://www.devdaily.com/java/edu/pj/pj010005/index.shtml
http://www.openloop.com/article/devPackPart2/devpack2.htm
http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=133516&messageID=354793
http://www.java201.com/resources/browse/59-2003.html
http://www.java201.com/resources/browse/91-2004.html

[re3dyb0y]

http://www.gnu.org/software/java/java-software.html

http://java-source.net/ - Seems Useful

http://www.freeware-guide.com/

[re3dyb0y]

Java App Idea - A Downloader for the Snap Server - So you dont have to use a computer to download, let it do itself and download to its hard drives, because then i wouldn't need my computer on all the time to download - ie leave the snap server on.

[re3dyb0y]

http://www.gnu.org/software/java/java-software.html - Loads of Java Software, free, dunno if its possible to get it to work on a snap server.

Also this for developing Java - http://www.gnu.org/software/java/developing-java.html

http://www.gjt.org/ is another link

http://www.keystonelearning.com/pdf/KLL_Brochure.pdf - What we want to do/ Snap Server Training

[cringer]

This is an open and inclusive "Thank You" for all the postings in this thread.
I have successfully upgraded my 1000, 2000, and 4000 SNAPs to OS 4.0.8xx.
I have successfully installed whacking big drives (Fry's has got the best d*** deal on Seagate 300 GB drives - $149 after rebate!!!). These work like a charm and have given me no problems (such as excessive heat, ATA 100 / 133 issues, etc.).
The upgrades have not been completely smooth, but the postings gave me hope where otherwise there would have been abject despair.

Special thanks to Oz (for giving me the courage to tinker with the debug environment), and to Yvette (for a straightforward, no nonsense clarification about upgrading the 4000 series).

My one sadness in all this is that the American Entrepreneur has waded in. There are those out there who are using eBay to purchase SNAPs, using this forum to solve the upgrade problems, and using eBay to resell upgraded SNAPs. Kudos to them for seeing a way to make a buck. Sorrow that those of us who want to geek around and upgrade our own SNAPs no longer have a supply of inexpensive boxes.

chris

[re3dyb0y]

Good for you...

[S Car Go]

I see that many people here have been sucessful in upgrading the model 1000. I am trying to do the same. I am having no success.

I am replacing the original worn out 80 gig drive with a 160 gig. I have used Knoppix to write the "snap1000.bin" file to the drive (I think copy worked OK) but the unit will not boot.

When I used the "dd" command in Knoppix, it wrote the 25 meg file to the new drive in about 5 to 6 seconds. That seems way too fast for that much data. I suspect that something is not right. Does anybody have any ideas?

The command i used was;

dd if=/mnt/hdb1/snap1000.bin of=/dev/hdc

Where hdb1 contained the "snap1000.bin" file and hdc was the 160 gig drive that I was trying to write to.

Does the new drive need to be partitioned or formatted before using the "dd" command?

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks.

[re3dyb0y]

I can't get an image made at all/ cant save it to my windows HD!!

[re3dyb0y]

Mounting FAT32 HD For Read/Write
http://www.linuxforum.com/linux_tutorials/14/1.php

From what i know 5/6 seconds seems what others get

[kozel]

I see that many people here have been sucessful in upgrading the model 1000. I am trying to do the same. I am having no success.

I am replacing the original worn out 80 gig drive with a 160 gig. I have used Knoppix to write the "snap1000.bin" file to the drive (I think copy worked OK) but the unit will not boot.

When I used the "dd" command in Knoppix, it wrote the 25 meg file to the new drive in about 5 to 6 seconds. That seems way too fast for that much data. I suspect that something is not right. Does anybody have any ideas?

The command i used was;

dd if=/mnt/hdb1/snap1000.bin of=/dev/hdc

Where hdb1 contained the "snap1000.bin" file and hdc was the 160 gig drive that I was trying to write to.

Does the new drive need to be partitioned or formatted before using the "dd" command?

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks.


I used the Dolly method and it worked fine. A 1000 will not see more than 120gb and avoid Maxtor 133 drives. I used a wd 120gb 7200 ATA100 drive and it runs fine. Sorry, can't help with the Knoppix stuff.

[S Car Go]

Just shot myself in the foot.

I have determined that both of the binary images (1000 & 2200) will not work in my unit. The 2200 does somewhat. I can get the unit to act normally but there are no devices recognized and therefore I cannot reformat it. The 1000 image looks like its booting but then the power light starts very rapid flashing which I know means panic. So for whatever reason they wont work for me.

So I was going to use Knoppix to copy from the original drive to a new one and I promptly reversed the command and wrote the good drive with the bad drive. Now I am screwed.

Anybody with a known good image of a model 1000 that I can get a copy of?

I am about done screwing with these things.

[gizmo911uk]

Hi, Sorry if this is of no relevance of all but i got this when i bought my snap 1000 server last year, i followed these instructions with a 120gb hdd. great stuff.


What I Used:
--------------
-Snap Server series, software version 3.4.803 (latest available as of May, 2003)
-Generic/Noname Intel box w/ 2 IDE busses
-Knoppix 3.2 CD
-Screwdriver (Philips)
-Ide cable which will support 2 drives
-80GB Western Digital 7200rpm drive bought from Office Depot (ATA/100)

What Didn't Work:
------------------------
-Ghost... It doesn't understand the weird Snap partitions and won't clone the disk.
-80GB Maxtor Drive (ATA/133) For some reason, the Snap server didn't like the ATA133 drive, so get an ATA100...

What Did:
--------------
-Update your snap server to 3.4.803 by visiting http://snapappliance.com/ and downloading the patch. To be honest, I don't know if you NEED to be at this version, but it's what I did, and I was successful.

-Back up all data from your SnapServer.

-No, really, back up all your data. When this process completes, you'll have a "clean" (no shares, no files, etc) SnapServer.

-DELETE all data from your SnapServer, and all users, and all shares. We want this server very "stock" before the disk swap.

-Get config info on your drive by visiting http://whatever-you-named-your-server/config/debug (hereafter, this will be called the debug menu) and typing the command "config devices info" and you should see something similar to this:

Quote:
06/20/2003 11:11:26 Command: config devices info

Logical Device: 10006 Position: 0 JBOD Size (KB): 32296 Free (KB): 32168 Private Mounted
Label:Private Contains system files only
Unique Id: 0x0141DE4D1C2F5FDD Mount: /priv Index: 12 Order: 0
Partition: 10006 Physical: 10007 FS Size (KB): 32768 Starting Blk: 515 Private
Physical: 10007 Drive Slot: 0 IDE Size (KB): 78150656 Fixed

Logical Device: 10000 Position: 1 JBOD Size (KB): 76627200 Free (KB): 59689808 Public Mounted
Label:Drive1 Single disk
Unique Id: 0x0141DE4D1C2F5FDD Mount: /0 Index: 0 Order: 1
Partition: 10000 Physical: 10007 FS Size (KB): 77689576 Starting Blk: 57507 Public
Physical: 10007 Drive Slot: 0 IDE Size (KB): 78150656 Fixed


-Note the logical device number for your /0 mount point. This is where all your user data goes, and it's the partition that we'll reformat later. On all the Snap drives I've seen, this number is 10000, but I'm just telling you to check it to be sure... I printed a copy for reference before I shut my Snap drive down, but whatever floats your boat. It's your funeral!

-Issue the command "power off" in the debug menu, and wait for your Snap server to shut down cleanly.

-Open your snap server and remove the IDE drive. If this step scares you, you should not attempt this modification. Not to be rude, but if you can't figure out how to get the case open and remove the drive, you have no business trying this! Of course, opening the case voids your warranty, so just be aware of that.

-Note the jumper configuration on your snap server. Mine was in "master" mode, but I've seen another user's in "cable select" mode, so your mileage may vary. Just be sure you know what mode it was in inside the server so you can set the new drive to the same mode.

-Remove any current hard drives in the Intel/Linux box if you want to be safe, cause you won't need them during this upgrade, then Install both hard drives on a single channel in your Intel/Linux box. Personally, I made the Snap drive Master and the new drive Slave, but whatever makes you happy. On the second IDE channel in the Linux box should be an IDE CDROM with a copy of the Knoppix 3.2 Linux ISO file, so you can boot to linux without touching either of the hard drives in your system.

-Check your CMOS settings and make sure the system recognizes both drives before you move on.

-Now, boot to linux, baby!

-As you boot, Linux will detect the IDE drives in your system, and you want to make sure you know which drive is hda and which is hdb, etc. If it scrolls by too fast, don't worry you can look it up once the system boots. At the shell prompt in Knoppix, enter the following command:

Quote:
$ dmesg | grep hd
ide0: BM-DMA at 0xffa0-0xffa7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
ide1: BM-DMA at 0xffa8-0xffaf, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio
hda: MAXTOR 6L080L4, ATA DISK drive
hdb: QUANTUM FIREBALLlct20 40, ATA DISK drive
hdc: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-C2502, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
hda: 156355584 sectors (80054 MB) w/1819KiB Cache, CHS=9732/255/63
hdb: 78177792 sectors (40027 MB) w/418KiB Cache, CHS=77557/16/63
ide-cd: passing drive hdc to ide-scsi emulation.
hda: hda1
hdb: unknown partition table


-You will see the banners for HDA and HDB assuming both drives are recognized. If you don't see an HDA and HDB, reconfigure your jumpers and try again... It is VERY VERY VERY important that you know which is the OLD drive and which is the NEW drive, as the DD command we're going to use to clone the disk will be just as happy to clone your blank disk over your Snap disk as the other way around, and in that case, your Snap drive is dead and has to visit the factory.

-So, we can see in this example that HDB is my 40GB Snap drive (manufactured by Quantum) and HDA is my new 80GB Drive. (Manufactured by Maxtor) Notice that Linux doesn't understand the partition table on hdb, the snap drive. I don't know what weird brand of file system they use, but at least DD will copy it even though you can't mount it.

-If you're using Knoppix, issue the command "rootme" or if you're in some other linux, use "su -" to make yourself root, then as root, type the command: Code:
dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/hda bs=1M


-This is a disk to disk copy (if=input file, of=output file, bs=block size to use, in Megs) of your old drive to your new one. THIS WILL TAKE A LONG TIME IF YOU LET IT! DD copies every block, even empty ones, but fortunately, you don't have to copy the whole disk. We're just after the partition table and the first 35 or so megs that comprise the Snap specific OS. The amount of time you need to let the DD run will vary by system, and if you have 13 hours to kill, you can let the whole thing copy, but there is really no need. Be aware that DD has no output till the end, so it won't look like anything is happening until it's done, or you hit CTRL-C, but you can watch your HDD lights and see that there's action.

-What I did was let the DD run for 5 minutes, then I hit CTRL-C to stop it. When you stop the command, it will tell you how much data it copied. My system was copying about 1MB/Minute, so I started the DD over again and let it go for about 40 minutes just to be safe and make sure I had all the Snap software partition copied.

-I then stopped the DD command with CTRL-C again, and saw that enough data had been copied, so I powered the Linux box off and put my new 80GB drive back in the Snap server.

-Set the jumpers on your ORIGINAL Snap drive back to default, and PUT THAT DRIVE ASIDE! If you screw up, you can always to back to that drive. If however, that drive is hosed, your Snap Server will be hosed because the OS is on the drive, not firmware on this server. (Dumb, Snap, inc... Really Dumb...)

-Now set the jumpers on your new drive to match whatever your original Snap drive was (mine was Master, remember) install the drive, and boot the server. The first boot will take a while before you can see the server administration page.

BE PATIENT.

-You will see the usual blinking lights on the front as the server powers on and realizes that there is an error on the data partition. The disk will grind a lot at this point, but after about 5-7 minutes (on my system) the System light (leftmost green LED on the front of the server) will begin flashing about once a second. At this point, you should be able to launch web browser and see your Snap's web pages. If it doesn't come up right away, give it a few more minutes, for some reason it really takes a while for the Snap drive to figure out the new drive. If the light is blinking twice or more a second, it's still working on the drive. Eventually though, it will go to a single blink and you are ready to go to the next step.

-Log in to the server's web console as Administrator and go back to the debug menu. Issue the command:
Code:
config devices format 10000 /reinit

and the server will tell you it will reformat and check the partition at next startup.

-In the debug menu, issue the command
Code:
reboot

and let the server reboot.

-On this startup, the drive will grind for a very long time (mine took 10-15 minutes) as it formats and does a fsck on the new drive. When it finally quits grinding, you'll see the single blink system LED again, and the web console should be ready.

-Log back in to the web console and click "Disk Utilities" then "View Disk Status" and you should see a shiny, happy, 80GB partition.

-Reconfigure your shares and restore your data, and enjoy the new hotness of your 80GB Snap server!


Also i have only tried this today as i am running out of space 120gb hdd is gettin full, it is not possible to have a drive over 120gb as with the ata or somethin, anyway i took my snap server apart again and changed the ide cable in the server with one that had 2 ide connectors i added a second hdd as a slave (a 20gb with a windows os one that i took out of a scrap pc) i also used a scrappy pc to power the second hdd, only as a temporary measure to see if it worked. I then switched on the scrappy pc and went into the bios and left it there, then i switched on the snap server it booted and formated the second hdd automatically. After that was complete i went to view the disk status and there it was share 1 and share 2, this also reported in network neighbourhood where i had share 1 and share 2. My plan now is to get a second 120gb hdd giving me 240gb in total i will though have to build my own case as the 2 hdd will not fit in the 1 case, another thing is the power, am not sure if the on board power supply will power 2 hdd's, but am sure i could bodge somethin together if not.

Anyways i hope this is of some use to someone.

[misterbill]

Just shot myself in the foot.

I have determined that both of the binary images (1000 & 2200) will not work in my unit. The 2200 does somewhat. I can get the unit to act normally but there are no devices recognized and therefore I cannot reformat it. The 1000 image looks like its booting but then the power light starts very rapid flashing which I know means panic. So for whatever reason they wont work for me.

So I was going to use Knoppix to copy from the original drive to a new one and I promptly reversed the command and wrote the good drive with the bad drive. Now I am screwed.

Anybody with a known good image of a model 1000 that I can get a copy of?

I am about done screwing with these things.

I was never able to get a drive over 120 to work on my 1000.
I was trying a western digital 160GB. No luck.
I think if you write the snap1000.bin file back to your original drive it should work.
As far as how fast it goes well it was pretty quick when I did it.
If you get the thing running again you might try installing your new drive as a second drive to see if it recognizes it. You'll have to change a bios setting to make it think it is a 2000. There are previous posts on how to do this.

[bumpyone]

I just upgraded my Snap server 2000 from 40GB's to 160GB hard drives. I had upgraded to OS to 4.0 first. I had a Mirror running on the old drive set. I replaced one drive at a time and was up and running in about 20 minutes.

Thanks for the information on the site.

[S Car Go]

misterbill,

I have tried your sugestion using the original 80gig as well as an older 20gig unit I had laying around. No joy. I also removed a working drive from one of my model 2200's and it acts the same way. I am wondering if the binary images I managed to download are any good. Maybe they got corrupted somehow.

gizmo911uk,

your response was informative but it assumes that you have a working drive to use as the clone source which I dont. Thanks anyway.

Does anybody have a copy of the image I need that I could try??

Thanks.

[re3dyb0y]

The images are on misterbills ftp site, look back through the posts for the link, user & pass.

[re3dyb0y]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Matt,
You asked about Java apps on Snap OS. I have actually got 3 different ones running. I was not satisfied with the FTPd, so I replaced that with a Java FTPd.
Also, I have written my own Web server as I wanted to add some extra capabilities - it can now scan my MP3 files and pull the IDv3 tags from them and dynamically generate a web page.
Finally, I have been working on adding DynDNS (dyndns.org) support to it, using a java client. Still working on a DNS client, as the SnapOS does not have any DNS support.
Would be glad to help you out in what needs to be done to adapt Java apps for the SnapOS.

OzDave

BTW: I have an original Meridan 2000 Server, with Java installed using a hack from a newsgroup I found.

How do you install these apps?? Where can i get them? Did you get anywhere with the dyndns.org app?? We can try to help if you would like?

Java FTPd is here: http://j-ftpd.sourceforge.net/

[re3dyb0y]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=73330&item=5748018785&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V
Have you seen this?? 200gb drive with Snap OS v4 for $200

http://stores.ebay.com/Spontaneous-Combustion/SNAP-Server-Upgrades.html

Selling OUR WORK!! Its really annoying, our work, and they are selling it, i would believe.

Anyway, However.....

[INT 20h]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=73330&item=5748018785&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V
Have you seen this?? 200gb drive with Snap OS v4 for $200

http://stores.ebay.com/Spontaneous-Combustion/SNAP-Server-Upgrades.html

Selling OUR WORK!! Its really annoying, our work, and they are selling it, i would believe.

Anyway, However.....

I hate to be the cynical one in the bunch but I'm a bit surprised that it didn't happen sooner. :shrug:

[re3dyb0y]

Are these items something to do with installing Java Applets>
java Run Java class with arguments
snaplet count (Return count of existing Snaplets)
instances (Return count of instances of Snaplet)
info get (Return Snaplet info by ID)
set (Set Snaplet run-type, user, passwordinfo by ID)
index (Return Snaplet info by index)
id (Return Snaplet ID from index)
create (Create Snaplet)
start (Start Snaplet)
stop (Start Snaplet)

Command: bios pci

Devices on the PCI bus:
# 0 0 0x8086 0x7100 *430 TX Chipset memory controler
# 0 7 0x8086 0x7110 *82371AB (PIIX4) PCI-to-ISA Bridge (fcn 0)
# 0 9 0x8086 0x1209 Intel
Devices in the Master list not found on PCI bus:
# 255 0 0x0000 0x0000 i82558 CSR Register Set
# 255 0 0x0000 0x0000 i82558 MDI Register Set
# 255 0 0x0000 0x0000 i82558 EEProm via Ethernet Controler
# 255 0 0x8086 0x1229 i82558 Ethernet Controler

[re3dyb0y]

I dont know if everyones done it, but i reccommend registering your snap server here: http://snapappliance.treehousei.com/inbound/regentry.asp it gives some software and sometimes bios.

[re3dyb0y]

http://www.snapappliance.com/page.cfm?name=SSMMain&Nav=NAS - Has anyone else seen this? It looks interesting?

[so1]

I put up an ftp with SnapOS v4

Anyone can use this to upload or download anything snap related

REMOVED

[so1]

I have a Dell PowerVault 701n, which I thought was basically a Snap Server 2000. I've got SnapOS v4 for the Snap Server 2000, it worked fine on my Quantum Stap Server 2000, but the Dell says "This file is not a valid upgrade for your server". Has anyone been able to get v4 onto a Dell 701n?

Thanks!

[tromans]

I bought a used snap 1000 in hopes of upgradeing the hard drive to a 120 gig. It came with a 10 gig that works fine. I have tried both images from misterbill on a 120 and an 80 gig drive but no joy. I also have an 1100 which has an 80 gig so I pulled the 80 and put it in the 1000 but still no joy. I tried a 40 gig and it see's it as a 28 gig and all works good. Does anyone have any idea's on how to git it to see the 120? When you put it in you can't ping or access at all. Could this be a bios problem? Has anyone been able to upgrade the bios? I have version 4.0.830 software on it, and the bios number is 2.1.363 . I have also put the 80 gig in as a slave to the original 10 gig and it came up as an 80 gig but then when I shut it down and reinstalled it as the master you couldn't access it. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks

[kozel]

I bought a used snap 1000 in hopes of upgradeing the hard drive to a 120 gig. It came with a 10 gig that works fine. I have tried both images from misterbill on a 120 and an 80 gig drive but no joy. I also have an 1100 which has an 80 gig so I pulled the 80 and put it in the 1000 but still no joy. I tried a 40 gig and it see's it as a 28 gig and all works good. Does anyone have any idea's on how to git it to see the 120? When you put it in you can't ping or access at all. Could this be a bios problem? Has anyone been able to upgrade the bios? I have version 4.0.830 software on it, and the bios number is 2.1.363 . I have also put the 80 gig in as a slave to the original 10 gig and it came up as an 80 gig but then when I shut it down and reinstalled it as the master you couldn't access it. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
Get a copy of dolly to clone your 10gb drive. Clone it to a 100ata drive, avoid the Maxtor ata133 drives. Match the jumper settings on the original drive. Mine was set as Master, I've heard other set as Cable Select. Follow the instructions posted here to re-init the drive. It worked for me.

[tromans]

Get a copy of dolly to clone your 10gb drive. Clone it to a 100ata drive, avoid the Maxtor ata133 drives. Match the jumper settings on the original drive. Mine was set as Master, I've heard other set as Cable Select. Follow the instructions posted here to re-init the drive. It worked for me.
It didn't for me, I tried with an 80 gig and the system light flashes once a second, and the disk light flashes twice a second, link light stays solid, and the net flashes every few seconds. Does anyone else have any ideas?

Thanks :shrug:

[re3dyb0y]

Ive just made some discoveries. If there is one drive in a 2 drive machine, whichever is plugged into ide1 (not 2) is the primary drive, and you are allowed to install java extensions onto this. If not you can't. - Talk about Arkward.!!!

[re3dyb0y]

This is a request to people in the uk.

Has anyone got a dead beyond repair snap server that i could have the ide cables from? As one of mine has died/stopped working and i dont want to use a 45cm cable.

Thanks

Sam

[re3dyb0y]

http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/tuxserver/default.asp?page=1 is an alternative NAS, build it yourself for a matter of fact...

[kozel]

It didn't for me, I tried with an 80 gig and the system light flashes once a second, and the disk light flashes twice a second, link light stays solid, and the net flashes every few seconds. Does anyone else have any ideas?

Thanks :shrug:
are you sure your drive is NOT an ata-133? I tried the maxtor (there are others) and got pretty much that same result. I've heard others using Samsung drives but if the drive is ata-133, there is a utility to run that steps the drive down to ata-100. I used the WD which is ata100 out of the box and it was fine.

[tromans]

are you sure your drive is NOT an ata-133? I tried the maxtor (there are others) and got pretty much that same result. I've heard others using Samsung drives but if the drive is ata-133, there is a utility to run that steps the drive down to ata-100. I used the WD which is ata100 out of the box and it was fine.
Since I read that everyone was having trouble useing maxtor, all I have tried was WD

[re3dyb0y]

I have just reread the posts and realised you weren't talking to me!! However i have a maxtor and that works fine. Dunno if tis is ATA-133

[re3dyb0y]

Or does anyone know where i can buy a 2 plugged short ide cable?

[kozel]

Or does anyone know where i can buy a 2 plugged short ide cable?
You can always try making a cable. Radio shack may have the parts and a tool to crimp the connectors on. I used to make my own 50 pin SCSI flat cables, it's not that difficult. If R/S doesn't have it, I'm sure google will find a source.

[kozel]

Since I read that everyone was having trouble useing maxtor, all I have tried was WD
Are you sure the drive is jumpered as the original was (master or Cable Select)? Mine is set as Master but I've heard others were set CS. And again, I used Dolly to clone the drive.

[re3dyb0y]

Cool, ill have to look for a uk supplier then.

[jgantes]

I really needed to change the FTP port on my snap server. I know you can change the HTTP port in the DEBUG window, but I don't see anything on FTP.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

[re3dyb0y]

Haven't noticed ought, will have a look for you

[re3dyb0y]

I have 2 ata 133 maxtor 80gb drives with C/S with no problems. I just put a 2nd drive in, and it works fine

[re3dyb0y]

The simplest way to change the port will be to use a 3rd party java ftp client, except it nees porting. Int20H and my self are looking into it. There is someone who has one, but doesn't want to release his work as it took ages. Its up to him whether he releases it.

Some links on the web ive found that confirm that it cant be changed it on the basic one:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/network/119/5/&e=1102
http://www.snapappliance.com/images/snap/support/SnapOS_31/English/ReleaseNotes.html&e=1102
http://www.snapappliance.com/page.cfm%3Fname%3Dftphowto%26nav%3D1100&e=1102

[re3dyb0y]

Just reading the Admin guide, adn it says it uses a variation of the FFS (Fast File System). Which is strange because when i asked Snap Support, i was told it was XFS.

[re3dyb0y]

Can i ask people which FTP sites are open for usage?

[cringer]

I posted this on another ProForum SNAP thread, but copied it here since there is a larger pool of participants in this thread.

I, too, would like to upgrade my 4100 to something larger than 4x120GB. However, I think it is unlikely unless someone can make a friend at Quantum / Snap Appliance / Adaptec to
1. learn what is causing the limit, and
2. get a workaround.

Since the Milpitas division is just around the corner from me, I am more than willing to pony up some greenbacks to liquor up an engineer or take him/her to the Kit Kat Club for entertainment. :evilaugh:

[re3dyb0y]

Go for IT!!

It would really be helpful.

[zcx2005]

Inspired by earlier posts I just successfully upgraded the hdd on my Snap 1000.

FWIW, here's the details.

Model: 1000 series
Software: 3.4.803
Hardware: 3.1.1
BIOS: 2.1.363

Hard Disk: Quantum Fireball lct15
Capacity: 30GB nominal

New Disk: Hitachi 7K250 120GB UDMA100 7200 rpm 8MB cache

Here's the steps I used.

1. Backed up all the data from the Snap.

2. Connected to http://<snap1000>/config and formatted the disk.

3. Connected Quantum disk as Primary Master and Hitachi disk as Primary Slave. Used an 80 wire IDE cable connected to built in UDMA100 controller on Abit VP6 motherboard.

4. Booted Knoppix 3.7 from DVD-ROM drive.

5. From a terminal window

$ dmesg | grep hd

reports...
hda: QUANTUM etc.
hdb: HDS722512VLAT80 (HITACHI)

$ su
# dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=1M

reports
28629+1 records in
28629+1 records out
30,020,272,128 bytes transferred in 2161 seconds (36 minutes)

Why the 1M block size for the dd command?
Earlier posts reported success with this!

Why dd the whole of the disk?
To reproduce all the file system metadata on the new disk.

6. Rejumpered the Hitachi as Master and fitted to Snap.

7. Booted Snap, checked a ping to its IP, and connect to http://<snap1000>/config.

Disk Utilities, View Disk Status showed disk capacity as about 29MB.

8. Connect to http://<snap1000>/config/debug and do

'config devices format 1000 /reinit'

then

'reboot'.

9. On the reboot the new disk formats and is then ready for use.

View Disk Status now shows 115,424 MB free.

10. Kept the old Quantum drive as a backup in case the OS is needed again. I also made a copy of the drive to an old Maxtor 5T040H4 just in case.


Nothing here that hasn't been on this forum before, except that the upgrade works with the Hitachi Deskstar 7K250 120GB drive. The Snap is now a lot faster and quieter, although the speed of data transfers is limited by the network interface. The best I've seen is 2MB/sec.

Thanks to all on this forum who made this upgrade possible.

zcx

[webboy]

has anyone sucessfully upgraded a snap4100 with larger than 120gig drives?
I know yvette upgraded a 4000 to 1.2 TB but was/is running os 3.4.805(us).

Will upgrading to OS4 solve the lba48 issue (drives over 137gb). Im at the point where i need to max this box out or start looking for an alternative (buffalo linkstation TB version).
Storing HD video and dvd's takes up massive disc space
TIA!

[re3dyb0y]

I could do with being able to image my Snap 2200 drives...

[re3dyb0y]

Couple of things:

Replacement of a Fan for a Snap Server 2200. I want to replace the noisy fan, i know what size fan i need, cos i can measure it. But i have a problem as the power connector currently used is a strange one that goes onto the power connectors. Anyone any experience of replacing this.

Dissasembly of the snap os files. I can't renemeber who disassembled them before, but whoever did could they let me know how they did it?

Thanks

Sam

[cringer]

Greetings All,
If anyone has a replacement bezel for the SNAP 4100, I would greatly appreciate being able to get / buy it from you.

Likewise, if anyone has a set of the HDD brackets that fit the 4000 / 4100 series, I would like to get / buy those too.

Many thanks.

[Peter]

I'm working on solving 137Gb limitation on 4100 snap server.
At this stage I'm collecting informations about hardware.
More specificaly I'm looking for somebody who has knowledge about Intel 82371 PIIX4 PCI Set Chip. We are all aware that this unit is fully capable of utilizing larger drives (over 137GB) I belive that with my knowledge of hardware and a software Guru's knowledge we can simply enable LBA48 support. Look forward to your comments. Please respond to this thread or send me a PM.

Thanks,

[TobyW]

Dear All,

I'm somewhat unclear after reading all the old posts, on whether the 1000 can support disks larger than 120Gb. I realise this won't work out of the box, but the implication seems to be that with SnapOS above version 4 then this is ok. Can anyone confirm that they have done this and maybe which drive they used?

There was also some suggestion that the 1100 would work with 120>, but not the plain old 1000...

That would be great! :)

Toby.

[kozel]

I have a 1000 and it would not support dirves>120. Actually, it would but it would not see anything but 120gb. I did the drive upgrade under ver 3 os and then upgraded the os to ver 4, so I can't say for sure if it is hardware or an os limitation. I also found that my 1000 did not like Maxtor ata133 drives. That seemed to be a hardware limitation. I'm using a WD 120gb ata100 7200rpm drive and it works fine. BTW, I used the dolly method to copy the drive.

[TobyW]

Interesting. Thanks for that Kozel. :) If nobody else has managed above 120 with a 1000 then I will look around for the best deal on the WD ATA100.

Thanks again,

Toby.

[re3dyb0y]

I believe it should with Snap Os v4 from what i remember.

[cringer]

Greetings All,
I still need replacement bezels for the 4100 and any help doing that will be greatly appreciated.

Regarding the hard drive sleds (caddies) for the 4100, I got a local fab to make them for me.
I had them make a few extra and am willing to sell them at cost to anyone who needs them.

Let me know.

[andy497]

I have a 1000 and it would not support dirves>120. Actually, it would but it would not see anything but 120gb. I did the drive upgrade under ver 3 os and then upgraded the os to ver 4, so I can't say for sure if it is hardware or an os limitation. I also found that my 1000 did not like Maxtor ata133 drives. That seemed to be a hardware limitation. I'm using a WD 120gb ata100 7200rpm drive and it works fine. BTW, I used the dolly method to copy the drive.

you will need an os kernel that supports lba48. this has been in linux since around 2.2. can you find out what version the 1000 is running?

[re3dyb0y]

Yes that may be true, but the snap server OS is based on BSD, which originates from unix??

However, the hardware can still be limiting - I had a Motherboard for a 1.2ghz athlon about 3 years ago, and it needed a bios update to use Hd's over 120gb....

[kozel]

For what it's worth, if you're interested in a cheap NAS device, check the Hawking Tech HNAS1 w/o drives. I got one for under $90. If you're just interested in hacking Snaps, well carry on. There's a flurry inexpensive nas devices on the horizon thanks to the Broadcom "NAS on a chip" product.

Read about it here... http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=500138

[nadiazipper]

TobyW

I had a Snap 1000 and had a seagate 200GB drive in it. It worked fine however I had os v4

[re3dyb0y]

Pete, I was just looking at my old PII 233Mhz, on what i believe is the southbridge it says:
Intel
PCI Set
FW82371AB
F801VA80
SL23P

Also on my spare 2200 Mobo, it has a intel 266mhz cpu, there are 2 other chips, both look like south bridges, but i assume one is the northbridge (one closest to the cpu)
Possible Northbridge:
Intel
PCIset
FW82439TX
F102IB94
SL28T

Southbridge:
Intel
PCIset
FW82371EB
L0310252
SL32M

Im then assuming the 4100 h/w is similar to the 2200.

[sbranin]

I just wanted to know if I tinker around with drive cloning and swapping and it doesn't go well will I have any problems with the system after putting the old drive back in? thanks for all your help.

[cringer]

As long as you DO NOT write anything to the original drives, you will have no problems returning your system to its original state.

Make sure to number your drives and keep a sketch of their locations in the chassis.
Make sure to record your drive jumper settings.

That being said, some SNAPs require the OS upgrade. Since this is a one-way process, you clearly will not be able to return your system to its original state. However, I have not experienced problems related to OS upgrading.

Good luck.

I just wanted to know if I tinker around with drive cloning and swapping and it doesn't go well will I have any problems with the system after putting the old drive back in? thanks for all your help.

[re3dyb0y]

I suppose also dont format - but that should be obvious. You can upgrade and downgrade between v4 and v3

[re3dyb0y]

How do i measure a fan? Is it the size from one side to another? Cos i want to replace the noisy fan on mine.

One thing i noticed today - Have the snap server on a hard surface so the air can get under it - otherwise it starts to get warm....

Luckily no damage was caused.

[Cosmos]

Hiya folks...

I'm new here, but I have been lurking for some time. With the information here I have taken an old Snap 1000 with a single 30 GB drive and turned it into two 80 GB drives (I made my own enclosure since 2 drives wouldn't fit in the original case.) I used "Dolly" to clone the original drive, following instructions I found here, also. Now to the point of this post...

When I added the second drive, I just used a standard dual connector IDE cable. Main drive as master and new second drive as slave. It works fine this way. On the motherboard there is what appears to be a second IDE connector. Since this device came with a single drive in it, what would that other connector be for? Power considerations aside, would the device support 4 drives? Anyone had any experience with this?

Thanks a lot!

[re3dyb0y]

Yes, i think.

If you go onto http://snapserver/config/debug and type ?

There is an option to view hardware option, ie minnie, mortie and stuff. So yes if you change that to whatever a 4100 is, it should work, but i think doing that has knackered others' peoples' snap servers.

I have a 2200 that i was happy with replacing the 2 80s with new ones.!!!

[re3dyb0y]

Hi,
I have some FreeBSD Guides if anyone is interested. They may help with alteration of the OS, as that is what the snap os is based on.

[Cosmos]

I was having trouble with my SNAP 1000 allowing me to read, write or delete files. I found this Information at snapappliance.com. Once I made the change below the problem went away...

"A security update ( KB885250) affecting numerous Windows OSes introduced compatibility issues between Windows clients and Snap Servers. This update from Microsoft changes the behavior of how a Windows client responds to previously working SMB (Server Message Block) calls. Affected functions may include copying, renaming, or deleting files."

"It is possible to work around this issue by deselecting the "Enable NT SMBs" on the Snap server. This option is displayed in the web administration tool under Network Settings -> Microsoft Networking -> Advanced. Reboot the server for the change to take effect. Note disabling this option limits the maximum file size allowable for Windows clients to 4GB. "

Apparently the only way to keep SMBs enabled is to back out of the MS security update on the affected PCs, or update to Snap OS 4. I cannot afford OS 4 so I disabled SMBs. Who needs files larger then 4 gigs anyway... (Darn all those 4.6 gig movie iso files!)

This information applies to the following Product(s):

- Snap Server 1000
- Snap Server 1100
- Snap Server 2000
- Snap Server 2200
- Snap Server 4000
- Snap Server 4100
- Snap Server 12000

This information applies to the following Operating System(s):

- Windows XP
- Windows Server 2003
- Windows 2000
- Windows 2000 Professional
- Windows 2000 Server
- Windows 2000 Advanced Server
- Windows 2000 Datacenter

Sorry if this is a repeat of information, I didn't see anyone else had posted...

[Cosmos]

The saga continues...

I am considering upgrading to OS4, partly for reasons mentioned in my previous post. But as I was reading through the forum I see some folks that did upgrade lost their second drive, OS4 didn't see the second drive on a dual connector IDE cable, where version 3.x did...

Has anyone figured out that issue? Regards!

[re3dyb0y]

I think i have some ram for snap 4X00.

Check my post in network geek'n for more info

[Terry Kennedy]

I'm working on solving 137Gb limitation on 4100 snap server.
At this stage I'm collecting informations about hardware.
More specificaly I'm looking for somebody who has knowledge about Intel 82371 PIIX4 PCI Set Chip. We are all aware that this unit is fully capable of utilizing larger drives (over 137GB) I belive that with my knowledge of hardware and a software Guru's knowledge we can simply enable LBA48 support. Look forward to your comments. Please respond to this thread or send me a PM.As some background, I had independently perfected disk upgrades on the 1100 / 2000 / 4100 before the original article was posted here. I have email correspondence with Snap engineers if anyone demands proof. I've also done a bunch of other stuff that hasn't been discussed here at all, but that's not relevant to this discussion...

Anyway, the 4100 uses a pair of Promise dual-channel IDE controllers. That gives you 4 master/slave pairs, though the Snap OS ignores anything on the slave ports for performance reasons.

Promise never officially supported LBA48 on the chipset used in the 4100, though both FreeBSD and Linux have LBA48 support for that chipset, so it is definitely possible. I spent a few months exchanging email with Snap engineers and marketing people about getting LBA48 support added to the 4100 (I had been running 2 dozen or so 480GB 4100's, of which only one was purchased as a 480GB model). For various reasons, including it being a mature model and not wanting to encourage field upgrades, they decided not to add LBA48 support to the 4100. Given the way the OS is packaged and installed on the 4100, it is unlikely that users will be able to implement this themselves.

This is one of the reasons I stopped using 4100's and switched to homebuilt file servers (6TB in 3RU, much higher performance than a 4100) which I document here (http://www.tmk.com/raidzilla).

[Peter]

As some background, I had independently perfected disk upgrades on the 1100 / 2000 / 4100 before the original article was posted here. I have email correspondence with Snap engineers if anyone demands proof. I've also done a bunch of other stuff that hasn't been discussed here at all, but that's not relevant to this discussion...

Anyway, the 4100 uses a pair of Promise dual-channel IDE controllers. That gives you 4 master/slave pairs, though the Snap OS ignores anything on the slave ports for performance reasons.

Promise never officially supported LBA48 on the chipset used in the 4100, though both FreeBSD and Linux have LBA48 support for that chipset, so it is definitely possible. I spent a few months exchanging email with Snap engineers and marketing people about getting LBA48 support added to the 4100 (I had been running 2 dozen or so 480GB 4100's, of which only one was purchased as a 480GB model). For various reasons, including it being a mature model and not wanting to encourage field upgrades, they decided not to add LBA48 support to the 4100. Given the way the OS is packaged and installed on the 4100, it is unlikely that users will be able to implement this themselves.

This is one of the reasons I stopped using 4100's and switched to homebuilt file servers (6TB in 3RU, much higher performance than a 4100) which I document here (http://www.tmk.com/raidzilla).



Thanks Terry for your information.

Last week I did abandon this project for very simple reason.
I purchased BUFFALO TeraStation and it is working excellent.
Forget about this junky SnapServer from Snap Appliances.

Snap Appliances marketing strategy was to force all of us to purchase their overpriced “new” product with again some hidden limitations or expensive OS upgrade. What they missed is that there are other companies with progressive thinking and less greed.
I wish them to loose all market in Snap servers to Buffalo.
Their greed has downfall, too bad for them.
I encourage everybody who is looking for perfect replacement for this crappy SnapApliances server to go:
http://www.buffalotech.co.kr/product/network_storage/HD-H1.htm
to see for your self what you can get and not to be cheated.

[re3dyb0y]

Thanks for the info terry. We do believe you, others have also done it.

Any other info you can give us would help.

Luckily the snap server will meet my needs, as i aint trying to get loads of space on it, the 2 x80gb are enough for me, however, when that dies, i will probably move away from snap servers.

[Terry Kennedy]

Last week I did abandon this project for very simple reason.
I purchased BUFFALO TeraStation and it is working excellent.
Forget about this junky SnapServer from Snap Appliances.

Snap Appliances marketing strategy was to force all of us to purchase their overpriced “new” product with again some hidden limitations or expensive OS upgrade. What they missed is that there are other companies with progressive thinking and less greed.What you should realize is that the SnapOS-based servers are considered "legacy" products - after all, these date all the way back to Meridian Data (that's 3 owners of the Snap product line ago). Even the 4100 is a 5-year-old+ design at this point.

They were never intended to be field-upgradable. They were targeted at companies who would install it and forget about it. The fact that end users have figured out ways to expand the units and make them do new tricks is a tribute to the flexibility of the original design.

Comparing a 5- (or more) year-old design to a current product isn't really a fair comparison. Likewise, comapring any Adaptec product to an intentionally-open product isn't fair either - they're competing in very different market spaces.

I haven't looked at any of the GuardianOS-based Snap units, so I can't say if they are better performers (though I'd expect they are, simply because they're newer designs). I did look at some of Adaptec's offerings before I built my own servers from scratch, but the minute I saw they required special Adaptec drives (available in a limited number of sizes and at very high prices) I stopped looking.

[Terry Kennedy]

Thanks for the info terry. We do believe you, others have also done it.Thanks. I just wanted to forestall any of the "you're one of the evil eBay people profiting from our ideas" comments.
Any other info you can give us would help.I've done a lot of work with the ServerSync code and the Java engine. Those were added after the initial design of the 4100, and you can easily hit some limits with the memory Snap supplied in those units. Snap used a 64MB PC100 non-ECC DIMM in the earlier units, and a 128MB PC100 non-ECC DIMM in the newer ones. I replaced these with 256MB ones (ECC or not doesn't matter as the 4100 hardware doesn't support ECC - one reason to not use these in mission-critical environments). After that, I suggest issuing the debug commands "jvm stack 1024" (the default is 64KB, this raises it to 1MB) and "jvm ram 64" (the default is 24MB, this raises it to 64MB). The rest of the additional memory capacity will go to disk buffers, which always helps.

[Ron]

I've done a lot of work with the ServerSync code and the Java engine.

Hi Terry.

I'd love to know what you have done with the code, especially the Java engine. Is this something you would feel comfortable sharing or not? No problem if you don't want to. I would understand that you've probably put a lot of work into this...

Cheers!

Btw, I'm quite a n00b when it comes to SnapServers specifically, so please be gentle. Hehehe.