Hack a Snap Sever 1000? [Archive] - Page 6

blue68f100

10-25-2006, 04:03 PM

Well I wish I had a dollar for every one that trys to convert the smaller unit into 2 drive units. If you are getting that 1-2 led pattern (looking for IP) after changing the bios, You may have just created a door stop. I have one here that a user dropped off. There is no way that I have found to get past it. I have some new hardware that can now broadcast / DHCP server. When ever I get a some free time I may try it again. But don't hold your breath, my list is long. Your only grase is that you did not unlock the BIOS. If you unlocked and made the change, and the unit rebooted, your SOL. You can now sell it for parts.

There is a hardware difference between the 1000 and 2000. Now there is a 2000 v that is the used in both 2000 and 4000, but these are scarce.

The 2200 requires a image file, The 2000 does not. The popup window (SnapAppliance) for Vitals reports all 2 drive models as 2000.

Phoenix32

10-25-2006, 04:28 PM

I have a new-in-box Quantum SNAP M1000 that is the same type unit you described here (your dead one) that I am about to put on ebay (damn nice unit with all the manuals and CDs etc).

OS - 2.3.417 (US) (I have 3.4.805/807 and 4.0.860 I can put on it)
Hardware - 3.1.1
BIOS - 2.1.364

If you want to make me an offer... But better do it fast I am putting it up this afternoon...

milkor

10-26-2006, 03:33 AM

...euh i'm write 2000 series but this is a 1000 series like this
http://www.northwesttechnical.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=576

my snap require an image but the mine is 3.1.603 (work fine) but i want to try a 3.1.805 firmware for install an 250go harddisk

i have found only 2200.bin ( 3.1.805) but... i don't understand why my harddisk don't boot... i have tried an another harddisk, a toshiba mk1517gap 10Go, it's the same...

milkor

10-26-2006, 04:56 AM

i progress. i installed 3.1.805 (this time, i use .sup file, not an image) on my toshiba mk1517gap harddrive.
it works fine. i copy disk (toshiba) to disk (maxtor diamondmax 10 250go) with knoppix and the dd utility.
now, when i plus the maxtor on my snap, led patterns indicate "System is running a performing a check operation"
how long that will last ?

blue68f100

10-26-2006, 08:48 AM

On the 1000 v2 it stores everything on the HD like a 2200 and 1100. The earlier v1 have flashram so you do not need a image file. But I must admit the 1X00 are strange. I do not know why the 1000 image does not work on some. It has to be a hardware rev, but I havn't a clue on what changed. And the 1100 I have is locked in waiting for IP, from someone making a bios change.

Whitewings

10-29-2006, 08:29 AM

I folks!.... i was searching for info about the snap! server 1000 and found this cool page.... i think im very lucky for that!....

Well, you see, some weeks ago i bought an used snap server but when i turn it on i found that the disk (30GB) was damaged (when it spins bumps and makes scary crackling-buzzing metallic sounds so im sure its lost).
This week finally i managed to ADQUIRE a good HD (WD 80GB) but i have no idea of what can i do to make the snap work.

I change the disk, plug the server and wait
the HD start to spin, then makes some readings and the SYSTEM led turns green, DISK led turns orange and LINK led turns green, and NET stays off.
Then SYSTEM and DISK leds start flashing slowly.

Now im reading here something about the need of a special Os and a program to manage the server. Can you explain me about it, just tell me where to find more info or the "snap for dummies book"?
And.... if someone has the IMG file.... i appreciate it. (i cant find it anyplace!).

i appreciate your help!

here is some info about the snap

FRONT MESSAGE SAYS SNAP! SERVER
HD STICKER SAYS QUANTUM FIREBALLIct15 30
A STICKER LOCATED INSIDE ON THE ALUMINUM CASE SAYS QNTM-30 REV E
ANOTHER STICKER BOTTOM (OUTSIDE) SAYS 70700061-002
PRINT onBOARD SAYS 70715027-003 REV-B

THANKS!.

Sorry about my bad english.... I just learning it.

milkor

11-03-2006, 04:04 PM

... the end...
i have change my old disk... (the maxtor diamondmax 10 250go for seagate 7200.10 250go), installed 3.4.805 and... it works perfectly !!! yeah !!!!!!!!
just a problem... the language it's english and i'm french so if you an idea to change it...

blue68f100

11-03-2006, 04:31 PM

There is language settings in the snap setup. But the extra language set may not be installed. Check with re3dyb0y, he may beable to help you. I think he had the same problem early on.

re3dyb0y

11-03-2006, 04:34 PM

Did i...?

I've had that many things....

I dont know...

ARRGH

blue68f100

11-03-2006, 05:53 PM

It's been over a year since you had to do it. I think you used putty to copy the directory with the lang sets.

There is something on this on Adaptec Knowledge base.

I looked at my Langage Support Settings I have 5 options, and 3 code sets.

Take a look at this post

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=12671&highlight=language

re3dyb0y

11-04-2006, 05:14 AM

Hah

You've got a better memory than me david!

But yeah, i do remember it now

Retrospec

11-04-2006, 05:59 AM

Just to clear some info about the 1+2 LED problem. This will also occur if the new drive has incorrect jumper settings (master/slave/cable select) Different versions of the OS handle different jumper setting. Normally on the 1000 to 2200 series the setting should be master on all drives, even if you mod a 1000 to handle 2 drives.

And regarding to the boot rom and exchange drives without clone or copy your originally drive. This is only apply on the Quantum & some versions of the Snap Appliance units. None of the units from Adaptec's takeover uses the os on Flash/rom.

Also there is a restriction on how large disk you can use in different revision's
Rev1 handle up to 130GB drives without any serious modification's
Rev2 handle atleast 250GB drives, have not tested with larger yet on this.
Rev2.1 Handle atleast 400GB drive without modifications to hardware

The easiest way to expand your drive in the snap is just to clone the orignally drive with EG. Winhex or similar, you only need to copy the first 23658793 Sectors of the drive. (this contains the os part)
Exchange the drive boot it up (remember to change jumpers if needed)
it will show up as a failed drive. Enter the Debug page
http://snapserverxxxx/config/debug

the commands here depends a bit on model and how many drives you are using.
to check the physical adress of your drive use the command "in de" without the ""

then to max out the new size on the drive just type:
co de fo 10000 /reinit /nocore
or in full text, same command as above:
config debug format 10000 /reinit /nocore

The 10000 in this example is the physical adress for one drive it can be 10008 etc..
just use the IN DE command tho check it out.

These are my exp at the moment. :D

blue68f100

11-04-2006, 08:34 AM

The /nocore is not needed on most units. It's only needed on 4x00 models where you are mixing drives due to a failure.

Yes to Adaptec current line. But most of the units coming through here are older models.

Flashram models are: 1000v1, 2000, 4000, 4100. Which were made by Meridian and Quantium. And some Dell's 705n.

You will also find that the short cmd works more often than the long. Don't no why but there has been cases were the long would not work.

you only need to copy the first 23658793 Sectors of the drive What are you copying the whole drive or 25 meg will boot the unit.

milkor

11-04-2006, 12:07 PM

in the langage menu, i have only 1 choice, english...
i re-update the snap with my snap.sup file and now i have 5 choice, and french langage.
thanks a lot !!!

Fruits

11-21-2006, 03:42 AM

Can someone please send me the SnapOS Version 3.4.807?

Using a Snap Server 4000 but cannot detect my new HDD of 320GB.

If you have one, really appreciate if you could send it to

mlt788 at hotmail.com

PLEASE !! :cry: :cry: :cry:

milkor

11-21-2006, 07:57 AM

my best friend is Google
it finds all that one seeks

Lharris

12-21-2006, 05:11 AM

Hi - another snap noob here.
I just received a snap 1000 that looks like someone attached the wrong powersupply.
There is a charred smd device labelled FB2 by the power plug on the board. Anyone know if this is more than just a fuse/jumper - a quick look at the design make me think that is all it is but i'm not sure. The board says it is a 70715027-004 rev a. I'm not sure if this will need the drive image or is a self loading unit.
Also - anyone know what the header labelled j8 isp is for?
Thanks
Leonard

blue68f100

12-21-2006, 08:26 AM

I have that same board in my not working section of parts. The J8 ISP in not for a ide drive, had try that. The one I have was delivered to me locked in waiting for IP address. This happens when a user tries to make a 2000 out of a 1000. Since I was never able to recover from this problem I do not know which HW version it is. But Yes I do, v1, OS in flashram. Has Large Clock Chip, with no 2032 battery. Since it was charred all ready, jumper the FB2 and see what happens. I always liked "blind smoke tests" you never know what will happen.:D

Phoenix32 is our resident electronic person. Bud I do not know if he has one of these boards.

Glad someone kept this mega thread going.

Phoenix32

12-21-2006, 09:01 AM

If this is an SMD and is labeled FB, it sounds like a Semiconductor Fast Blow Fuse. It has been a long long time since I did any circuit board designs and I am a bit (read a lot) rusty, so I could be wrong, but that is what it sounds like to me.

I have pondered on this supposed other IDE type connector before (well for a few moments anywise) when it has been mentioned here on the forum before. Since a number of people have confirmed it is not another IDE channel, then we can eliminate that. If I was to take a SWAG here (Scientific Wild Assed Guess), I would guess it is a testing header or maybe even a way in which they connected to write the OS onto the blank hard disks? Has anyone ever traced the connections out to see where they go?

bitor

12-22-2006, 09:31 PM

Hello and Happy Holidays!

Here are my questions. I hope you can help me.

I have a Snap Server 1000v2 250GB HD.

With my box open at all times, using a two HD connector single ribben with 250GB(OS HD) connected to master end ribben and adding a second HD connect on slave.
Question:
1.) Can I add this second HD ?
2.) On second HD should I set it to slave or CS ? (250GB is set to CS)
3.) If I can add the second HD to the ribben, do I have to be concerned with lossing information from my master HD? Or will it just format the second HD without disturbing the Pri. Master 250GB HD?
4.) Will the motherboard's power supply handle the extra power from the second drive? Or with this fry the power supply over time?

Thanks again for your help in advanced,
Sincerely,
bitor

blue68f100

12-22-2006, 10:30 PM

99.99% fail on this conversion. :bawling: There is a flag that auto reboots the snap once you change it to a 2 drive model. Then it will hang "waiting for IP address".

This is a BIOS Flag setting, You have to unlock it for the change to take, then it KILL's The UNIT with the above error".

I have 1 right here with that error. I have tried everything I and many other to clear it. HAVE NOT BEEN SUCESSFUL. I still hammer it evertime I come up with utilities, NO GO.:nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:

Lharris

12-23-2006, 06:13 PM

bitor

12-24-2006, 03:18 AM

Hello and Happy Holidays!

Hey, I guess I did not explain myself correctly. I don't want to turn it in to a RAID. I just want to take out the old single ribben with one hard drive connector and put in its place a ribben that has two hard drive connectors. i.e Master and Slave.
So, with that being said and in mind now...can I do this?

Here are my questions. I hope you can help me.

I have a Snap Server 1000v2 250GB HD.

With my box open at all times, using a two HD connector single ribben with 250GB(OS HD) connected to master end ribben and adding a second HD connect on slave.
Question:
1.) Can I add this second HD ?
2.) On second HD should I set it to slave or CS ? (250GB is set to CS)
3.) If I can add the second HD to the ribben, do I have to be concerned with lossing information from my master HD? Or will it just format the second HD without disturbing the Pri. Master 250GB HD?
4.) Will the motherboard's power supply handle the extra power from the second drive? Or with this fry the power supply over time?

Thanks again for your help in advanced,
Sincerely,
bitor

Phoenix32

12-24-2006, 09:10 AM

Hi - Thanks - that part was a fast blow fuse. I have my snap server turning on

I don't have snap assist so I can't tell if it is an ip problem, and I can't see it on my

Your welcome... :)

Phoenix32

12-24-2006, 09:15 AM

Hello and Happy Holidays!

Question:
1.) Can I add this second HD ?
2.) On second HD should I set it to slave or CS ? (250GB is set to CS)
3.) If I can add the second HD to the ribben, do I have to be concerned with lossing information from my master HD? Or will it just format the second HD without disturbing the Pri. Master 250GB HD?
4.) Will the motherboard's power supply handle the extra power from the second drive? Or with this fry the power supply over time?

1) Maybe
2) CS, but with the SNAP you will probably need a special cable for this function
3) It shouldn't hurt the other drive, but I cannot say for 100%
4) It is a little light for this, but no more so than we push the other SNAP servers, so it will all come down to just how good the power supply is

blue68f100

12-24-2006, 09:54 AM

Hi - Thanks - that part was a fast blow fuse. I have my snap server turning on but now I get the following: a "flurry" of disk activity, the link light comes on steady, the system light blinks about every second, and the disk light double blinks every second with the first in sync with the system light. Is that the infamous "blink of death" or is there something simple I can do to reset it. I tried the reset modes and they seem to register - but after reset it goes back to this.
I don't have snap assist so I can't tell if it is an ip problem, and I can't see it on my network.
Any ideas?
Thanks NO That the siginal saying waiting for IP address. If you reset everthing back to factory it may give the same error as the OS is not there or damage on the HD. Assist will be needed to setup the snap. Older models defaulted to a IP address of 0.0.0.0. Assist locates these and allow you to setup the snap for use. There is only one model of the 1000 that does not require the OS on the HD. Assist will confirm weather the OS is missing. Some units only have part of OS in flashram, will boot but will not have any help files loaded.

blue68f100

12-24-2006, 10:17 AM

bitor,

I was serious on a 99.99 % failure rate. It can be done, but requires some carefull planing. I only think v1, 1000 works for this converson.

Do not know if drive are required to be M/S or CS, my guess M/S.

You MUST TURN off Reboot on changes. Because when you change the unit from 1 drive to 2 it will reboot and say good bye to your working snap. You must then reload the OS, before the reboot. Once reloaded, reboot the unit with 2 drives attached and see if it comes up.

As far as loosing data. It MAY be there but you may need another 1000 to read the HD, because your MB will be locked up. I have one here right now, from a user attempting the smae stunt.

My thoughts, When you make this change the snap (trys to) reboot, does not find the hardware it is looking for or software, because it reboots before a user has a chance to load it. The unit is now LOCKED UP, with no way to clear the flashram or change the setting back. If you already have 250 gig and need more space by a larger HD. If you want a RAID, buy a unit that supports it.

Now there is a 2000 board that works on both 2000 & 4000 units. Don't know the PN.

DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK, NOT RESPONSIABLE FOR DAMAGES.

Phoenix32

12-24-2006, 03:19 PM

And there you have it... From a hardware perspective, maybe it might work. From a software perspective, you are playing with fire and are likely to get burned. I don't think it can be said any clearer than that...

bitor

12-25-2006, 12:02 AM

Thank you for all of the input.

After careful concideration and knowing now what David has said about just adding another HD to a ribben without wanting to turn it in to a RAID, I've opted NOT to add an extra HD to my Snap Server 1000v2. It's not worth the risk to me. I just had an extra HD around and thought I would add it. If I want to increase to HD I'll just buy another larger one...say ATA100 Seagate 750GB. I'm going to wait until the price drops down.

I'm still wondering what the diff. between the OS's v3.4.805 and v3.4.807. Does anybody know what was corrected/added/fixed ? Seems such a small update, but I'm not sure.
Also, is there anyway via debug to turn the fan on 24/7?

Thanks again for your help,
Happy Holidays,
Sincerely,
bitor

blue68f100

12-25-2006, 08:14 AM

Not on the software side that I know of. You could always wire it in to 12 side of the drive connector. That is where the 2200 powers it fan. Other have reported that it come on with the case closed up. Don't know where they are reading the temp at.

Lharris

12-25-2006, 09:36 AM

Well - i have tried everything so far - reimaged the drive (2 different drives) now i get the system led binking rapidly twice, the disk light on steady, the net light on steady and the activity light randomly flashing. I can't see it on my network. I have tried formating the drive as both unix and msdos (i'm using a mac). Is there some problem with the mac partition scheme that prevents an imaged drive from working - I would assume that dd is dd no matter what os it is from. Any ideas?
Thanks to all who have made suggestions so far and have a happy holiday!

blue68f100

12-25-2006, 09:59 AM

Thats a indication of the wrong image file, missing OS. The 1000 are odd balls, when it comes to image files. The SnapOS use a odd BSD file structure that nothing short of another snap can read.

dd works the same on mac or pc as long as you are use the raw cmds. Adn adjust ti drive ID if different than the instructions posted on the wiki siection. I know of other users that have done it.

Phoenix32

12-25-2006, 11:35 AM

Ummm, David, I do not want to step on your toes here since this is your area of expertise, but;

I know this is for a SNAP 1000, but on my SNAP 4100/4000 units, if you put in a new drive, it starts formatting it (duh). But during this time,

The System Light blinks quickly (like the panic blink)
The Network Link Light is steady
The Network Activity Light blinks random
The Disk Light is on steady

Until the drive is formatted, and in some cases the SNAP will not respond (even to assist) until it completes.

The only difference I see here is he said the System Light blinks "twice" rapidly (I assume he meant double blinks). Is it possible the drive is just being formatted and he just needs to wait a bit? Doubtful, but just a thought/idea.

blue68f100

12-25-2006, 09:28 PM

Good Point but not in this case, v2. It's morse code for waiting for IP. It also does this when it doesn't find a sound/working OS.

I don't think they installed a large enough flashram to contain the OS on v2. Don't see very may v1 at all. When the OS is be decompressed it always has a random sequece. When they flash in unison it's error codes.

Phoenix32

12-26-2006, 02:25 PM

Okay, I believe you no problem. As I said, it was just a thought (something to check maybe).

bitor

01-09-2007, 05:02 PM

Hello & Greetings:

I got a snap 1000v2 mobo and was looking it over with a mag. glass and found something interesting. Don't know if anybody has done this or not. As I was looking at my 1000v2 mobo I saw a green small wire soldered to one leg of the bios chip and this wire leads under and to the IDE controller. Now, that same leg of the bios that has the green small wire soldered to it has a wire embedded in the board going to the ISP controller. Funny thing is, this embedded wire has been disabled by a small div-it that cut in to the surface of the mobo down to the wire embbeded in the mobo which leads to the ISP controller. The wire I believe was disconnected/cut by the factory. There is also one cut/div-it on the back side of the mobo also, but diff. embedded wire I believe. Looks like a small drill came down on the mobo and cut the embedded wire in the mobo. Why do you think they did this. The embedded wire is way to small for me to solder. If I had some mercery then I could put a small drop in the div-it and make the connection. Any thoughts ?? Do you think this ISP could be used as another IDE controller if that wire was reconnected? Check you mobo with a mag. glass around the bios chip and also on the back side too.

bitor

blue68f100

01-09-2007, 05:58 PM

I will take a look at the one I have.

Is your a new board or a referb?

We have alway wondered what the ISP header was for?

May have been used to run diagnostic or do the initial programing of the bios or flashram.

bitor

01-09-2007, 10:23 PM

It's a refurbished one. Still thow, who ever refurbished it(I believe the oem mfg.) knew what they were doing. In order for them to get that small wire under the IDE controller they would have had to desolder the IDE controller. And by the looks of it with a mag. glass it doesn't look like it has been desoldered. So, I would guess that's maybe from the mfg. Wonder what was wrong with this mobo where they had to refurbished it? My other 1000v2 does not have this wire going from the bios to the IDE controller. But that one is a diff. serial number. It's a 12447 and this one (refurb) is 30156. Both are 1000v2. Maybe the older mobo they disabled them by cutting the mobo wire and the newer mobo they just used a new bios lock out for the ISP controller.

Thoughts?,
bitor

About the ISP controller. My research on the web has led me to believe it IS for programing the bios. And maybe some other features too.

Adam1V

01-10-2007, 02:08 AM

Hello,

I have completed/replace a 15GB Snap 1000 into a 120GB. Here are the steps, read this enttire thread so you will know what I am talking about.

Step 1:

Remove the original Snap Drive and using Linux/Unix O/S.

Copy the entire contect of original Snap hard drive into the new drive using UNIX dd command.

Step 2:

Connect new drive into Snap and log into Snap via the web page. Then redirect the url to:

http://yourserver/config/debug

Type in "config devices info" into the command area to get the partition device
numbers, in my case it was 10000 and 10006. See below:

************************************************** **

08/18/2002 14:16:02 Command: config devices info

Logical Device: 10006 Position: 0 JBOD Size (KB): 32296 Free (KB): 32168 Private Mounted
Label:Private Contains system files only
Unique Id: 0x123C08AD34558ABC Mount: /priv Index: 12 Order: 0
Partition: 10006 Physical: 10007 FS Size (KB): 32768 Starting Blk: 515 Private
Physical: 10007 Drive Slot: 0 IDE Size (KB): 120627200 Fixed

Logical Device: 10000 Position: 1 JBOD Size (KB): 118313472 Free (KB): 118195104 Public Mounted
Label:Drive1 Single disk
Unique Id: 0x123C08AD34558ABC Mount: /0 Index: 0 Order: 1
Partition: 10000 Physical: 10007 FS Size (KB): 119953736 Starting Blk: 84055 Public
Physical: 10007 Drive Slot: 0 IDE Size (KB): 120627200 Fixed

************************************************** **

Then type in "config devices format 10000 /reinit".

Reboot to start the format and re-initialization. After that the full capacity of the new drive will take affect.

Good Luck & Have Fun

SleepyTiger62@Yahoo.com

Hi guys.
Ive came accross this amazing forum for Snap OSs and managed to find the above information. Im going to have a go at updating my Snap 1000 with a larger disk, something like 300gb.
Does anyone know if the above method is working ok?
I dont really want to search through 52 pages to see if its most up to date. By the looks of things, there are some regular members here who know exactly whats going on.

Adam

blue68f100

01-10-2007, 10:40 AM

This thread is one on the most informative threads on the forum. Makes good late night reading.

Actually you only need the first 25meg of the drive to boot the new drive, but you may be missing some help files. If you copy the complete drive doesn't hurt just take a long time doing a RAW copy. A RAW copy must be done, nothing but BSD can read the file structure.

The "co de format 10000 /reint" formats the drive and all data will be lost. Instruction are located in the wiki section of the forum. We have found that Digital Dolly is the mist widely used, comes on all dist of linux and bsd's. And there is a live cd version out too.

Most all 1000 support LBA48bit address, bios v2 and greater seams to be the magic number for all snaps os units.

LARGE DISK require OS v 3.4.805 and greater, or your out of luck. To check your version click on the SnapApliance logo from the admin page.

Do you know if you have a version 1 or 2 1000???
Version 1 has OS in flashram and were made by meridian.

Adam1V

01-10-2007, 10:57 AM

This thread is one on the most informative threads on the forum. Makes good late night reading.

The sad thing is your actually right :D

Actually you only need the first 25meg of the drive to boot the new drive, but you may be missing some help files. If you copy the complete drive doesn't hurt just take a long time doing a RAW copy. A RAW copy must be done, nothing but BSD can read the file structure.

The "co de format 10000 /reint" formats the drive and all data will be lost. Instruction are located in the wiki section of the forum. We have found that Digital Dolly is the mist widely used, comes on all dist of linux and bsd's. And there is a live cd version out too.

Most all 1000 support LBA48bit address, bios v2 and greater seams to be the magic number for all snaps os units.

LARGE DISK require OS v 3.4.805 and greater, or your out of luck. To check your version click on the SnapApliance logo from the admin page.

Do you know if you have a version 1 or 2 1000???
Version 1 has OS in flashram and were made by meridian.

I dont know what version i have, but im taking the drive home tonight so i can look then. But i do have a sneaky suspicion its in the flashram.
I have a few questions if you have a couple of minutes to answer them.

Ive read on this forum about the previous legal issues of downloading the OS, and without breaching these, is there a free version (open source) version of the 3.4.805 available?

I do not need to keep any of the data thats on the original hard disk, so will i still need to use the dolly program?
I dont know a great deal, but i assume that will depend on the version i have? if the OS is on the disk i will need to copy and if the OS is not on the disk no need to copy?

With regard to the "co de format 10000 /reint" command, i assume that your only formatting the new drive your putting in?

IF you have a link to that wikki to save me looking it would be handy :)
Thanks very much for your time.

blue68f100

01-10-2007, 01:09 PM

Ive read on this forum about the previous legal issues of downloading the OS, and without breaching these, is there a free version (open source) version of the 3.4.805 available?
A few users have reported luck using BT, but I haven't a clue, becuase most say they find nothing.

DD is what most users use because it does what is know as a raw copy. This is a sector by sector copy, ignoring all data. This is where most fail, try to inturpet data.

The /reinit cmd is issued from the snap's debug page.

Look at the top of the page, select wiki (left of forums).

If you have a rare v1 just install the drive, it will do all of the setup. These models are vary rare.

Adam1V

01-11-2007, 11:30 AM

IVe checked it out and i have the following info:

Software: 3.4.803 (US)
Hardware: 3.1.2
BIOS: 2.1.366

Is digital dolly the best method to go about copying now?
Im assuming the OS is located on the drive and the DD will copy the os over and then a simple reformat will sort the drive out?

I assume i boot from a CD with DD on, which will recognise the new drive plugged into the snap server?

blue68f100

01-11-2007, 12:19 PM

At least you have a working snap that allways makes it eaiser.

DD is whats used and is proably the best unless you know how to use winhex.

The wiki has step by step instruction for all options you need. Just follow them closely, other wise you will damage your working drive.

Adam1V

01-12-2007, 01:30 PM

Im having trouble mounting the drive in DD?

Im trying to follow the instructions, which doesnt mention mounting a drive.
IVe gone into network settings and i cant assign the PC an IP address. i do have dhcp on in the router, but even setting a static address doesnt seem to do anything.

Ive got to opening a terminal window and thats it. since im a linux newbie, could anyone shed any light on this?

blue68f100

01-12-2007, 01:41 PM

Are you using Knoppix or The Live CD of DD?

If you are doing a HD to HD you do not need to mount the drives.
If you type "dmesg | grep hd" after you have been made su you should get a listing of HD on your pc. Verfy that the setup matches the instructions. If you failed to set the jumper correctly it will not work. Re boot and look at the bios info of connected drives, if not correct power down and make the corrections.

DO NOT DO ANY DD COMANDS TILL EVERYTHING IS CORRECT OR YOU MAY LOOSE YOUR WORKING DRIVE.

Adam1V

01-12-2007, 01:51 PM

o dear i think ive just realised what ive done wrong.
The drives are set as master/slave still plugged into the snap board itself, and not on my PC. i think thats where ive gone wrong.

It doesnt actually say in the guide to move the snap disk into the PC :uhh:

Im using the live CD of DD.

So i setup the master/slave in my PC.
Boot from the CD..

And pursue to do a clone HD to HD?

Im still not sure about the opening a terminal window?

/hides

blue68f100

01-12-2007, 02:12 PM

The terminal window is the icon along the bottom if I recall. And yes it does need to be done on a pc. Removes your existing HD's for safe keeping unless you need to write the image to it.

I recommend setting up the drives as the instructions state. Also watch the BIOS post to make sure the drives are set to M/S correctly.

Adam1V

01-13-2007, 03:43 AM

just wanted to say a big thank you for your help.
I switched to using knoppix which made things a bit more clear trying to follow the instructions. I think the step by step instructions should indicate they are more aimed towards that route.
i took out a 40gb hard disk and replaced it with the only disk i had laying around, which was 120gb. Does anyone know the current limit with the 3.4.803 software?

blue68f100

01-13-2007, 08:22 AM

Does not support LBA48bit so 137gig.

bitor

01-14-2007, 11:37 AM

Hello and Greetings:

Does anybody know the file size limitation for the Snap Server XFS? i.e. largest file size. On mine it always seems to be 2GBs. Was this ever fixed with updating the Snap's OS?

Thanks,
bitor

Snap Server 1000v2
OS 3.4.805

blue68f100

01-14-2007, 12:56 PM

From Adaptec Knowledge Base Post 164032

What file sizes are supported by the Snap OS and the Guardian OS by protocol type

This information applies to the following Product(s):

- Snap Server 1000
- Snap Server 1100
- Snap Server 2000
- Snap Server 2200
- Snap Server 4000
- Snap Server 4100
- Snap Server 4200
- Snap Server 4400
- Snap Server 4500
- Snap Server 12000
- Snap Server 14000
- Snap Server 15000
- Snap Server 18000

This information applies to the following Operating System(s):

- This information is not Operating System specific http://adaptec-tic.adaptec.com/rnt/rnw/img/trnsp.gif Answer NFS = 2^63power bytes - limited to 2 TB by our file system
Apple = 2GB
Novell = 2GB
Windows CIFS/SMB (NT-SMBs disabled) = 4GB
Windows CIFS/SMB (NT-SMBs enabled) = 2^63power bytes - limited to 2 TB by our file system

For Guardian OS:
NFS 2^63power
Apple 2GB
Windows CIFS/SMB = 2^63power

bitor

01-14-2007, 02:10 PM

Ok D. Thanks for the info. I guess I'm stuck with 2GB file size then on my Snap Server 1000v2. Too bad. I thought an OS update on my snap would maybe fix it. I guess not. Darn it!!

Sincerely,
bitor

bitor

01-16-2007, 12:13 PM

Hello:

I looked at the "Wiki" info on lights flashing and none of them matched mine.
I'm install a new drive on my Snap1000v2 . I copyed the image and have that on my new hard drive(Maxtor 120GB) and I am now getting these lights...
disk= light on all the time
system= light blinking twice fast
1.)What is this telling me?

Thanks again for your help,
Sincerely,
bitor

blue68f100

01-16-2007, 01:15 PM

Can you connect to the snap? or admn?

With the disk on all the time it is prroably formating the HD, connect to the admin page and check.

bitor

01-16-2007, 03:36 PM

Hey D:

I plugged in the LAN line and now this is what I have.
System= two quick flashes
Link=on all the time
Net= no light on
Disk= on all the time

I agree it acts like it is formating the disk , but falls short because I can never get access via browser or assist.

Do you know why?
Do you think I should maybe change the jumper on the HD from Master to CS?
Do I need to zero out the HD?
Any other thoughts?

Thanks in advance,
Sincerely,
bitor

blue68f100

01-16-2007, 03:56 PM

No NET, may indicate that the OS is not loaded. Does the LED's on the router show a connection? When you copied the OS from you original HD, did you forget to the "k" in "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=1024k count=25"?

If the drive is not clean you need to do a Quick 0.

bitor

01-16-2007, 04:16 PM

Hey D:

Yeah, I did a priatice run with a 20GB HD and it worked fine. I used the commands that you listed below as well. The LED's on the switch are on. I'll do a Quick 0 on the HD and start over again. Doesn't make sence if I can do it on my 20GB HD why can I not do this on my 120GB HD?

Thanks in advance,
Sincerely,
bitor

"No NET, may indicate that the OS is not loaded. Does the LED's on the router show a connection? When you copied the OS from you original HD, did you forget to the "k" in "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=1024k count=25"?

If the drive is not clean you need to do a Quick 0."

blue68f100

01-16-2007, 05:10 PM

Make sure you reset the drive settings back to master before installing the drive. Some 1100 like CS or single drive/Master. If one does not work try the othes.

bitor

01-17-2007, 06:51 PM

Hey D:

I'm a little confused here. You asked me if I used this
"dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=1024k count=25"?"

On Wiki it says this
"dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=1024 count=25000"

I used this
"dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=1024k count=25000"

Which one should I use. This is very confusing. This maybe the reason why this is not working for me. Don't know , but I thought I'd ask you.

Thanks in advance,
Sincerely,
bitor

blue68f100

01-17-2007, 07:30 PM

use this one "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=1024k count=25"

the wiki is the same value 1024k * 25 = 1024 * 25000

The 1024k x 25000 is 25gig not the 25 meg like the ones above.

bitor

01-18-2007, 12:00 AM

Hey D:

Thanks. I just figured out what might be the problem with my 120GB HD. It's an ATA 133. I believe that is why it's not working. Darn it. You would think it would be backwards compatable with my snap1000v2 , but I guess not. I even tried to do an 3.4.805 image on it and no luck. I tried all the jumper settings for the HD as well. No luck, oh well.

Thanks again for all your help D.
Sincerely,
bitor

bitor

01-19-2007, 11:04 PM

Hello:

I have a question or two.

1.) Does the sup file have any BIOS updates/upgrades it might be able to perform?
2.) If so then how would I update/upgrade the BIOS via sup file.

Thanks in advance for your help,
Sincerely,
bitor

re3dyb0y

01-20-2007, 05:24 AM

bitor

01-20-2007, 01:56 PM

Hello and Thanks.

Mine is a Snap 1000 v2. Is this also included too?

Thanks again,
bitor

blue68f100

01-20-2007, 02:05 PM

The only Snap that had a BIOS update was the V1 2000 made by Meridian. It was needed for v2 OS could be installed.

THERE ARE NO BIOS UPDATES FOR ANY OTHER SNAPS, to my knowledge.

blue68f100

02-17-2007, 08:05 AM

I have sucessfully recovered from a 1000 be changed to a 2000 model (bios change) and locking it up with the 1 x 2 led pattern. It's only taken me 1+ yrs to find a solution. It is easy to recover if you have the right hardware. I just happen to stumble in to the solution.

Scarabaeus

02-17-2007, 11:03 AM

Drum Roll Please...!

Redux

04-24-2007, 02:21 AM

re3dyb0y

04-24-2007, 05:16 AM

Hello i was hoping to start hosting some snap os files. The need seams clear from by prospective and i happen to have access to the means to due this with anonymity. Plus i need the newest version of snap os for my 4100 anyway. So fare i have managed to collect these two version 34805 and 40830 from various sites but i am trying to build a good index of whats around. Please PM me if there is anything you can contribute.

The distribution of these files is illegal - Well, for v4 at least, other than the free updates they have released

We have been through this before, and had FTP servers taken down after adaptec/snap appliance making noises and getting angry

Joe (the owner of this site), had a legal notice sent to him
See
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=10846

Please dont post this here

Redux

04-24-2007, 07:59 AM

blue68f100

04-24-2007, 08:13 AM

Hello i was hoping to start hosting some snap os files. The need seams clear from by prospective and i happen to have access to the means to due this with anonymity. Plus i need the newest version of snap os for my 4100 anyway. So fare i have managed to collect these two version 34805 and 40830 from various sites but i am trying to build a good index of whats around. Please PM me if there is anything you can contribute.

Like Sam said: Distribution of these files are illegal. Even the older ones, are still Protected by Copyright Laws. There are no free version's any more since Adaptec Bought out Snap Appliance.

I have hoped that Adaptec would release these files since they have stopped support to these older units. So far they have not. I have been on Adaptec site, and they are no longer selling v4. So they are trying to kill these older units.

Please NO NOT POST LINKS on this SITE. Joe has been kind enough to allow us the use of his site, and we do not want to do anything to jeopardize it.

blue68f100

04-24-2007, 08:21 AM

Hmm yes i can see the disadvantages to hosting these files. in this case has some clearly morally corrupt person ever tried using a service like rapidshare.com or other no question asked hosts to put up these files? of course i am not saying my heart does not go out to adpatec and there choice to start charging for what was rightfully free given we have already paid a price in hardware.

If you own a unit that is still in the support window, updates are available to you from Adaptec. You must be registered, and in some cases, sending an email to them will get you a link. This all depends on several things. 1. What mood they are in. 2. Weather they want to help you without a support contract.

If you email them, do it in a tone that is friendly, not negative or mad.

Redux

04-24-2007, 11:43 AM

I just wanted to be clear that i had no intention of doing anything that would jeopardize the owner operator of this site. i have a lot of respect for the people who devote there time for us to have access to such a good venue for discussion. Any activities i would have been suggesting would have been conducted off the site and of course not been link to via this site. anyway i still have hopes of getting something worked out for providing a public access to these files or maybe just getting an up to date os for my snap but it looks like there is no interest in such a endeavor.

blue68f100

04-24-2007, 02:36 PM

Adaptec use to have a updater (v4.0.860) that was free on there site. If you have not registered do so and check. Must be registered to have access to it.

Phoenix32

04-28-2007, 03:49 PM

Like Sam said: Distribution of these files are illegal. Even the older ones, are still Protected by Copyright Laws. There are no free version's any more since Adaptec Bought out Snap Appliance.

You can buy entitlement for $200 from Adaptec. Call Customer Service.

blue68f100

08-08-2007, 11:44 AM

I do not want this thread to die. Alot of useful info.

maxfior

08-08-2007, 12:02 PM

Just call the tech support number for stupid Adaptec: 408-934-7274 Tell them what product you have (as you'll need your server number) and they will email you links for software that is free. Of course, the new stuff they want to charge you for... :(

maxfior

08-08-2007, 12:03 PM

...to think, they use to make good SCSI cards (Adaptec) maybe they still do... I'll have to dig out my Ultra Wide Cheetah HDD's ;)

bitor

08-08-2007, 06:36 PM

Greetings:

I agree with Dave. Let us not let this thread die.

bitor

System48

08-23-2007, 09:15 AM

I have gone back and forth with Adaptec trying to get 3 2200's I got up and running. The units came without hard drives so they're pretty useless right now. All I have asked Adaptec for is the image file and a copy of the OS that the units shipped with not a newer OS. They won't do anything unless I buy support. If someone could help with my problem please e-mail me at stephenf@recyclegroup.net

blue68f100

08-23-2007, 01:19 PM

Adaptec uses factory software to load a 2200, not image flies. Image files was what our local hackers discovered. Just copied the boot tracks from a working HD.

The 2200 and 1100 uses the same boot procedure. So a 1100.img would boot a 2200, then you would need to reload the OS.

System48

08-23-2007, 01:39 PM

blue68f100

08-24-2007, 07:04 AM

That or locate a image file. or Pay Adaptec $$$$$ for OS and HD + service contract. It's cheaper to buy one working w v4.

timm

09-06-2007, 09:30 PM

I have a snap server 1000. the power light comes on. the orginal hard disk is junk and I have tried to get an image off of it. I think if I had a good 1000 image that i could put it on a new hd and things would be good. I tried to find it using assist, it does not find any servers. I can get it to do the manual resets. I do not know what else to say. Snap tech allowed me to recently down load snapos 34807 software. I did expand it but i do not see a bin file. I have read a lot of this post. I believe that I need an image file to move forward. any advice will be appreciated. Thanks in Advance Tim

blue68f100

09-07-2007, 06:47 AM

Sound like you have a v2 1000.

It will require the use of a image file to restore the unit. As to which ones 1000 have been misteries to me. My first guess would be a 2000.bin file.

Where to get them is the problem. Since it contains copyrighted material it illegal to distribute.

Others have found these files use BT (bit tollerent). But I have NO Idea where or which one.

If you know some who has a 2200, Have them prepare a drive for you. Then reinstall the OS to correct for any missing files.

Mikey_Snap

10-06-2007, 11:05 PM

I have an old Snap Server 1000 10GB unit that I would like to upgrade to something like 120-160GB if possible. I don't know how to tell what hardware version I have - it appears from what I've read of this thread v1 is the easier model to upgrade.

I still have the original box, which says the following: Quantum Snap! Server M1000, Rev. R, 10GB JAN 2000. P/N: 5325301081

Does that help in determining the hardware version?

Also, it appears the main mechanism for upgrading drives is to do a bit-level drive copy from old to new. I have access to a hardware based IDE drive duplicator which doesn't care what the OS or Partition are, because it does a bit-level copy - would this work well for doing a drive upgrade on a Snap Server?

Mikey_Snap

10-06-2007, 11:26 PM

Follow-Up: Just opened my Snap Server 1000 - the motherboard has the following printed on it: MORTY.1C 70715027-003 REV.A 1999 Meridian Data Inc.

Does that help to determine if it's hardware v1 or v2?

Is it also important to determine the firmware/software version before I do the drive swap? What is the best way to do this?

blue68f100

10-07-2007, 12:46 PM

A version 1 will boot without a HD. Meaning you can access the admin page with NO HD installed.

If your Bios is v2+ you should be good.

Mikey_Snap

10-07-2007, 01:25 PM

blue68f100: I had already removed the HD, so I thought I would see if the unit would boot without it, I also recalled that my network had been reconfigured since the last time this snap server was in operation, so I ran the wiki procedure to clear all setting back to factory defaults (with the reset button/startup procedure). I recall reference to an application called "Assist" or "Assistant" - I believe this is required to do initial setup and assign an IP address - where can I find this app? I looked on Adaptec's support sight and found something called Snap Server Manager - is that it?

Mikey_Snap

10-07-2007, 01:44 PM

Snap Server Manager does not see anything on my network. I have a patch cable connected and the System light is green following the reset procedure (but none of the other lights are on). I also tried to ping "snapxxxxxx" (where xxxxxx = the serial no) but got no response, so wasn't really surprised when it didn't show up in the web browser under http://snapxxxxxx/config

Actually when I power up, the System light comes on and stays green/solid and the Disk light flashes orange 3 times slowely, then goes off, but I don't get a Link or Net light.

Mikey_Snap

10-07-2007, 01:56 PM

Plugged the HD back in and got better results - HD is spinning, System and Net flash, Link is green - got prompted for password at http://snapxxxxxx/config

Of course I don't know what it is...and it wouldn't accept blank...

I reran the reset procedure (clear all) with the HD installed and finally got into the Config Screen. I have the following version info:
Software: 2.2.393
Hardware: 3.1.1
Bios: 2.1.363

So which procedure do I follow for a HD upgrade?

Mikey_Snap

10-07-2007, 02:00 PM

Just noticed the internal fan is not spinning - is it supposed to come on with the power, or is it based on temp? The case is open right now.

Mikey_Snap

10-07-2007, 02:06 PM

sgt.baker

10-07-2007, 03:01 PM

blue68f100: from your FAQ it looks like I need a newer firmware to install a 160GB HD - I tried downloading the latest from Adaptec and hit a roadblock as it wouldn't accept the serial no. - is BT my only choice?

Funny, I've always believed that the 1000/1100 required an HDD to boot from. I've been under the impression that the 1000 had a STPC process and the v2 had the Intel processor on the board. As long as I've worked on these I've never run across one that didn't require a drive to boot. Others, i.e. older Meridian 2000's or 4100's, don't require a drive as they boot off of the BIOS then 'pivot' to the first drive in the system (private partition).

It's sad as when Quantum had these units, then Snap! Appliances before/after, the OS's were free upgrades up to the 3.4.790 release. Adaptec should simply release the OS for these older units to the community.

Anyhow, Mikey, the fans are thermally controlled, so they may not spin when powered up. Personally, as hot as these little units get, I pulled the connectors out and put them into the back of the 4 pin molex and keep the fan running 24/7.

As for the drive upgrade, I was only able to get larger drives in the "Intel" version of the 1100. 3.4.805 seems to be a good revision to get if you can find it. Never played with the >4.xx series in an 1000/1100.

Doesn't anyone use the Snapup32 software to push the OS to the drives? This is what we used with the units after putting them into FLUP mode via the reset button on the back. Snapup32 would 'broadcast' the .bin file across the network to any unit on the network. Naturally, you'd be on your own little 10/100 LAN for doing such a thing, or using a cross-over cable to do it. Hell, we used to rip the .bin files out of the .sup files if we didn't have the .bin's.

...food for thought! :p

Mikey_Snap

10-07-2007, 03:01 PM

OK - I found the snap_sys_34805.sup file online (30MB - is that right?) and now I just need the Assist program to get it installed right? Where can I download that from?

Snap Server 1000
Software: 2.2.393
Hardware: 3.1.1
Bios: 2.1.363

Mikey_Snap

10-07-2007, 03:05 PM

Sqt.Baker - I'm willing to give that procedure a shot if you can tell me where to get the snapup32 software.

Phoenix32

10-07-2007, 03:18 PM

Just noticed the internal fan is not spinning - is it supposed to come on with the power, or is it based on temp? The case is open right now.

It is temp controlled.

Phoenix32

10-07-2007, 03:22 PM

Sqt.Baker - I'm willing to give that procedure a shot if you can tell me where to get the snapup32 software.

The snapup32 software is not public released software and is copyright. You also need the extraced HEX file (from the SNAP OS file) for the specific unit you are pushing to.

So yes, some of us do use the SNAPUP32 to push the HEX file to the SNAP. :dome:

Mikey_Snap

10-07-2007, 03:36 PM

Okay, I was able to acquire the Assist program, and the software update appears successful - I started with this:
Snap Server 1000 10GB
Software: 2.2.393
Hardware: 3.1.1
Bios: 2.1.363

And now have this:
Software: 3.4.805
Hardware: 3.1.1
Bios: 2.1.363

So what is the simplest procedure for doing the HD upgrade? Should I use the bit-level hardware based IDE drive duplicator that I have access to? I suspect, from what I've read here, it probably won't recognize the partition (which means it won't be able to resize it), but I believe it would transfer it.

Suggestions? Recomendations? Is there a step-by-step procedure listed here somewhere?

Mikey_Snap

10-07-2007, 04:21 PM

Okay, I just found the "Copy HD to HD with DD" in the Wiki - but, I'm still curious to know if anyone has ever tried this with a hardware based IDE Drive duplicator?

Also, are there any drives known not to work well for this upgrade? I saw something that said to avoid EIDE drives, and another that said there were issues with ATA/133. So will any ATA/100 IDE drive work? I think I also read something that said there might be issues with the mobo looking for a specific drive model or serial no?

blue68f100

10-08-2007, 12:48 PM

Mike,
Assist is available from Adaptec upon email request. Free.
Above link deleted, due to copyright laws.

rdcstout

10-23-2007, 07:47 PM

Hope some one is in the mood to help a noob.

Working in OS X here.

Snap Server 1000, OS 3.4.790

I pulled the original drive and hooked it to my usb adapter and did.

dd if=/dev/disk1 of=/snapos.img count=25000 bs=1024

then I hooked up a Western Digital Caviar WD1200 and did.

dd if=/snapos.img of=/dev/disk1 count=25000 bs=1024

Pull the drive and installed it in the snap server, it booted and I got right in to the config but the server log is saying "LCD Message : FAILED : Disk 1"

When I try to run "config devices format 10000 /reinit" I get "Invalid Device ID 10000 requested"

So the next logical step, " config devices info " This results in a endless list of " ** Invalid Device ID: 0"

So now I dont know what to do, anyone?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Roger

blue68f100

10-24-2007, 11:16 AM

Looking at your dd cmds, where did you send the image file too. (OSX to local HD?)

use the shorter cmd "co de format 10000 /reint" and see what happens

What is the drive setup showing from the gui? Did you set the WD for single drive/Master.... Some drives seam to work with CS.

rdcstout

10-24-2007, 02:10 PM

the image was sent to the root directory, I also sent it to my user folder the second time just in case.

tried that "co de format ...."

GUI of the snap server? "No Disk Found" is what is says.
GUI of the OS X wants for initialize it, I clicked Iggy.

I am in for another long night it looks LOL.

blue68f100

10-24-2007, 05:01 PM

Do you have a pc you can use? or eliminate the usb adapter.

Does your original drive still works?

rdcstout

10-24-2007, 06:53 PM

I have access to what ever I need, PC, Linux box. What do you suggest?

rdcstout

10-24-2007, 08:02 PM

Here is some more info for you, I have an older 800mhz mac that has IDE so I installed the drive in this unit and performed the same procedure. Unfortunately the results are the same. It is copying the data over but for some reason the snap server can not see it. So I wait for your advice because I just crapped out :)

P.S. You mentioned earlier in this thread that the 1000 has issues with WD and Maxtor drives, sense this is a WD I guess this might be a possibility?

rdcstout

10-25-2007, 05:30 AM

I got it, Scrapped the WD and used a Segate. Running like a champ. Thanks for the info.

blue68f100

10-25-2007, 07:05 AM

It only seam to be the early 1000 models that have a problems with maxtors and a few wd. In most cases the wd work without issues, if the drives is set correctly and/or IDE is forced away from the eide.

Just for info, does your 1000 have a 40 or 80 IDE cable? My guess 40

Mikey_Snap

10-26-2007, 10:41 PM

All:

I finally had a chance to try upgrading drives on my Snap Server 1000 (originally 10GB). I was moving up to a 160GB Maxtor drive. The critical difference is that I didn't use Knoppix or DD or any of the other drive duplication methods listed here. I used a hardware based IDE drive duplicator from LogiCube on Mirror Mode, which ignores the type of partition and does a raw bit-copy. Less than 15 minutes later I was booting my new Maxtor drive in my Snap 1000 (to the mirrored 10GB partition) without issue, and then reformatting at the full 160GB capacity from the debug screen. Couldn't have been simpler.

If you have access to a hardware based drive duplicator your upgrade will be significantly easier!

SNAP 1000 upgraded to 160GB!
Software: 3.4.805
Hardware: 3.1.1
Bios: 2.1.363

Jagar

01-17-2008, 11:29 AM

This is my first post so -Hi all!- and Thank You for your help to upgrade my Snap so far. :dome:

Snap Model: 1000 v2 (Portion of OS on HDD)
OS: 3.4.805 (upgraded from 2.3.417)
Hardware: 3.1.1
Bios: 2.1.364
Serial: 117###

Before I completely understood the risk involved I used a PC ATA IDE ribbon with three connectors and an wye power splitter cable to attach two hard drives to my Snap. The primary Quantum drive (30Gigs) jumper was set to CS and the secondary drive (WD 160Gigs) jumper set to slave. I powered on the unit, the Snap found and formatted the secondary drive at boot and now the secondary drive seems to be functioning well as SHARE_2.

I have found two quirks with this set-up. One is that the secondary drive does not turn off or spin down when the server is turned off. Two, if I remove the secondary drive the web utility shows Share_2 as not available but under the Disc Status menu only the primary drive is shown; although I guess that is not much of a quirk per-se.

With both drives attached I tried other combinations of jumper settings too. Master/slave and CS/CS but neither of those other settings was successful. (IIRC)

I didn’t know if those of you who actually know what you are doing, unlike me LOL, would find this information of any interest so I thought I would share. Perhaps it bears repeating that I may have had success with this out of shear and total luck? Or maybe not…but I don’t want to mislead others into bricking their M1000’s.

I have a 320GB Seagate on order to replace the Quantum 30GB. I’ll DD the Quontum image first of course – then store the Quantum for safe keeping.

If this configuration is apparently working currently do you think I can continue this 2 drives configuration? I’m interested in your thoughts.

Jagar

01-29-2008, 12:11 PM

No reply? I hope I didn't offend :doh:

I've been through this thread more than once now. :hammer:

Is it what Matt suggested (see below) that is risky / caused the bios flag error blue68f100 finally recovered from?

G'Day,

the two drive mirror is a gift on the 1000s! (Raid 5 isn't an option - even with 2 disks - it needs 3 drives minimum). But! To get a mirror, all you have to do is:

1. Make sure you have the latest snapOS on it (3.4.803)
- its the same version on all of the < 4500s (bonus)

2. Go into debug mode

3. bios unlock (this enables perm changes to the bios)

4. bios model 0 (this make it think you now own a 2000.....)

5. bios lock (just to be sure etc)

Done.... go to the disk utilties section.... and bing there you go.... you should now have the 'Configure Disks' option as of course, you now infact have a snap 2000 - which comes standard with two disks ;-) Enjoy!

Matt

blue68f100

01-29-2008, 02:34 PM

It the platformbytes that will get you in big trouble.

bitor

01-29-2008, 06:30 PM

Correct this if It is wrong , but I thought you had to turn off the auto reboot before you did this change?

bitor

blue68f100

01-29-2008, 08:09 PM

If you turn off auto reboot the unit does not enable some of the settings. It has to reboot to load the specific code to the server. The platformbytes is an imbedded code the makes the destinction between different revisions of the models. If you turn off auto reboot and do not unlock the bios, change are only tempary till it reboots. Doing it this way, reboot will reverse the settings, away to recover. But once you unlock the bios and make the changes it looks for code specific to that platform. If right every thing works. But if it does not find the hardware it looks for it locks up and give you the 1 x 2 led pattern.

Then you have to pay the piper to get it fixed.

You have been quiet Bitor..... Welcome back.

I like this mega post, new members are in shock, havn't see any threads this long before. And loaded with a wealth of information.

bitor

01-29-2008, 11:15 PM

Thank you blue68f100 for the welcome back.

It makes sense now that I see it in print. Sounds like you could make a quick door stop out of one if you are not careful.

I have a question for you Dave. I know it can be done because it was hinted about in the ASK at adaptec support.
With SnapOS, how can I make two partitions on one 250GB drive using the debug command. I'm not concerned about having share1 and share2. That will not be a problem.

Thanks,
bitor

If you turn off auto reboot the unit does not enable some of the settings. It has to reboot to load the specific code to the server. The platformbytes is an imbedded code the makes the destinction between different revisions of the models. If you turn off auto reboot and do not unlock the bios, change are only tempary till it reboots. Doing it this way, reboot will reverse the settings, away to recover. But once you unlock the bios and make the changes it looks for code specific to that platform. If right every thing works. But if it does not find the hardware it looks for it locks up and give you the 1 x 2 led pattern.

Then you have to pay the piper to get it fixed.

You have been quiet Bitor..... Welcome back.

I like this mega post, new members are in shock, havn't see any threads this long before. And loaded with a wealth of information.

blue68f100

01-30-2008, 11:28 AM

Yes, there has been quite a few 1x00 turned into door stops. Turning off auto reboot just sets you up for failure at a given time, like power outage.

I don't really know on that one. Never had a need to do it. If your tring to get around the 137gb restriction, I could see your need.

bitor

01-30-2008, 11:58 AM

Yes, you are quite intuitive. You are correct about the restriction part. I know it can be done. I guess it's another project for me to figure out. Wonder what all those people do with those 1x00 door stops? Maybe they should send them our way?

bitor

P.S. I've been trying to get a hold of Snap-Tech for the last week. Do you know where he is? I've tried messaging him here and at his yahoo account.

Yes, there has been quite a few 1x00 turned into door stops. Turning off auto reboot just sets you up for failure at a given time, like power outage.

I don't really know on that one. Never had a need to do it. If your tring to get around the 137gb restriction, I could see your need.

Jagar

01-31-2008, 07:18 AM

If right every thing works
Perhaps getting “everything right” is something you are willing to help me on?
If yes PM me…
If not – definitely don’t sweat it; RAID would be convenient but I’m not desperate for RAID capability from this 1000 unit considering it’s age, transfer speed, and also considering other BYOD NAS available in the current market.
If you want a RAID, buy a unit that supports it. Post # 1284 <--- I can't argue with that. It's just the urge :rolleyes: :doh:
If you turn off auto reboot and do not unlock the bios, change are only tempary till it reboots. Doing it this way, reboot will reverse the settings, away to recover.
You are very clear but I just want to reiterate to be sure: if I were to turn off auto reboot and change the Model to 0 without unlocking the bios I can experiment with RAID 0 or 1 with the 1000 without risk of permanent bricking? The settings will stick until I change the model number back or reboot? I’m guessing (because I have not reloaded the OS) I would need to use the debug mode commands to initiate the mirror configuration? Just curious…
I like this mega post, new members are in shock, havn't see any threads this long before. And loaded with a wealth of information.:D
Thanks to this forum and more specifically this mega post I have a SNAP! 1000 with a 320GB Seagate 7200.10 and a 160GB Western Digital Protégé, JBOD, in a mini tower with ample power and cooling. Total cost = about $90.00 (Everything was scavenged except the Seagate HDD I recently purchased from NewEgg)
You folk really know your stuff!

blue68f100

01-31-2008, 11:55 AM

The 1000 does not load the specific modules to become a raid unit. Some parts of the code is shared, so it may give you options, but will not have the complete code. This is the reason that it needed to rebood. Then the problems start because it is missing key elements necessary. Specificly it a combination of hardware and software. The 1100 model early one had the same MB as the 2200, with a missing header. The early 2000 also used the same MB as the 4000 model. So you see why persons wanted to expand there system. Unless you were lucky enough to have one of these specific MB you can. The 2000 to 4000 does not cause the unit to lock up like the 1000 to 2000 hack.

I would not mess with it, the risk are to high. It took me over a year playing around to finally find a way to unbrick one. And I'm not going to let the solution out.

If your looking to expand your system, the freeNAS is becoming an option. But this is still in beta, but is currently usable if your hardware is supported by FreeNAS v6.0. It requires a powerful cpu just like modern software base raid units do.

bitor

01-31-2008, 12:08 PM

Jagar

01-31-2008, 04:16 PM

Here is a good question for SnapOS

I've got another question. On my Snap I have cleared/and formated the drive. So I know nothing is on it. Without the drive in, I have a Share1 that says not on line. So, I did not think anything big. So I install the new drive and it formats and shows up as share2 and share1 is still there and says it's off line. The position I put the new drive in should be share1. How do I remove the share1 off line folder and get the drive back from share2 to share1?

Thanks,
bitor

I think I can help with this issue.

Go to the web administration page.
Select Security.
Select Network Shares.
Highlight SHARE 1 from the list on the left
Select Delete from the list of options on the right
[Reboot?]
Then highlight SHARE 2 from the list on the left
Select Properties from the list of options on the right
Type SHARE 1 in the name field to rename SHARE 2 to SHARE 1

That should be it

bitor

02-01-2008, 05:49 PM

Thank you, I got it.

bitor

lattisimo

03-27-2008, 02:10 PM

was looking for Snap OS v4 for my 4100, sorry to post off topic but this thread look as if it had the most requests for the file and i did not want to open another thread.

I would like it for AD 2003 Compatibility. ProCooling has some of the most indepth info on Snap Appliances i have found to date. Thanks ahead of time for all of the info and time.

mybabiesdaddy (at) gmail.com

blue68f100

03-27-2008, 02:52 PM

If your lucky and contact Sales at Adaptec, and sweet talk them, other have gotten v4.0.860 it free. The kicker is that they want you to buy a service contract to a EOL product, so you get no support. So sale has been provide it to some users. If you contact tech support they have been giving out v3.4.807 which support large HD's, but does not give you AD Support.

It would be nice if they would just release it with out going through hoops. It would be a start to improving there image. They have had a bad reputation ever since they bought SnapAppliance.

But if you need Vista or OSX support you need to upgrade the the Guardian units.

lattisimo

03-27-2008, 03:40 PM

yeah, called sales. I had to ask for the price, he wouldn't just volunteer it, for the contract and he started off with $399. he had no interest in selling it to me. even if there was no way i could afford it even at the $200 price, he still should have tried to make the offer sound appealing.

hopefully i will get lucky and find an extra $200 bucks that i don't want to spend on anything else magicaly appears , OR... it might appear if my inbox if someone feels generous. ;) Either way, thanks for the reply.
:cool:

mioan

06-06-2008, 02:03 PM

otoc

06-06-2008, 02:32 PM

But if you need Vista or OSX support you need to upgrade the the Guardian units.

I've found no issue with Snap OS v4.0.860 shares being recognized in either OS X 10.4, or 10.5 (with recent updates applied). Is there something to be aware of?

The issue to me is that there has been no update to the Apple Snap Assist since OS 9 and for finding a newly set up Snap, a PC or Mac Intel running Windows may be needed. Unless a system is running OS 9 I guess.

Total agreement on the Adaptec image front and the hoops they make you go through to debate getting the last Snap software update.

blue68f100

06-06-2008, 03:37 PM

Hi guys, I hope you can help me

I have a snap 1100
The disk is completely damaged
I have put a new disk. I have deleted all partitions of the new disk (hoping that the snap will recreate what it needs)
I have done the restore to factory defaults procedure

The system led flashes slowly
The link led is ON
the network led flashes some times
the disk led flashes twice for each system led flash

The assist does not find the server
What is its default IP address?
I guess I need the image file to put it in the blank disk?
Can someone please send it to me? Please help.

1000 thanks

Michael
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
www.24Hsoftware.com

Michael,

The OS is on the HD. You will need a 2200/1100 image file to load the HD. So if you know some one who has a working unit you can get a copy. If you find a 4100 or 4000 it will boot the snap but will require the OS to be reloaded. Some of the specific modules will not match but it is close enough to boot the 1100.

We can not distribute the image due to the facts that it contains Copyrighted material. If you read the sticky Legal Notice from Adaptec (at top of threads) you will know why. We are constantly monitored here, so our hands are tied.

My suggestion is see if digital dolly will be able to read 15-25mb of data from the damaged HD. This is where the OS is located, if only 15meg it will boot but will need to be reloaded because some is missing. If it just makes a clicking noise, try swapping HD controller boards with a matching/working drive.

Or try searching torrents sites.

David

Snap Moderator

bitor

06-06-2008, 04:15 PM

Dear Mioan:

Look at the forum for the led flashes for what it could be. It's all there. You just have to look.
The Assist will not find the snap unless you have the SnapOS on the hard drive. That is why the Assist program is not seeing it. With your Snap1100 No SnapOS, No Assist connection. You should have tried getting the image off your damaged hard drive before you deleted all the partitions. Now you are stuck. This model does not recreat the SnapOS on the hard drive.

bitor

Hi guys, I hope you can help me

I have a snap 1100
The disk is completely damaged
I have put a new disk. I have deleted all partitions of the new disk (hoping that the snap will recreate what it needs)
I have done the restore to factory defaults procedure

The system led flashes slowly
The link led is ON
the network led flashes some times
the disk led flashes twice for each system led flash

The assist does not find the server
What is its default IP address?
I guess I need the image file to put it in the blank disk?
Can someone please send it to me? Please help.

1000 thanks

Michael
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
www.24Hsoftware.com

mioan

06-07-2008, 02:31 AM

Dear David, dear bitor,

thank you both for your answers.
I very much like this device and I want to make it functional again.

I did not delete the partitions from the damaged disk. That is a different disk I am trying to hook.

Today is day 2.
I will collect the tools you suggested and try to get something out of the damaged disk ( it was a 40 GB from a refurbished 1100)

Up to now, I have the tools:
- snap server system v3.4 (snap_sys).sup (28 MB)
( from an upgrade I did some years ago, when it was functioning Ok )
- snap assist

I hope I will come back here with my success story... Otherwise, I will ask again for your guidance. Thanks a lot
Michael

eot8857

06-24-2008, 08:23 AM

Don't know if this will be of any help, but these guys have a downloadable blank image for the SNAP 1000, as well as detailed instruction on how to upgrade the drive, using a blank drive.

I don't know what version of the os that the image is, and you may run into BIOS incompatibility if it's v4 (the v4 upgrade also upgraded the BIOS on my unit). It's worth a try if you have a dead unit, though; at least it's better than using the SNAP as a doorstop.

Good luck -

Link removed, posting links to Copyrighted material is not allowed on this site.

David
Moderialtor

mioan

07-25-2008, 03:54 PM

1)
I found a snap1000.img

2)
Put it on a blank disk with dd
Does the disk need to have two partitions before I do the DD ?
After I copy the image, the disk reported by linux and windows as having no partitions.
Is this normal?

3)
I hooked the drive to the snap server and again I got the 1-2 led blinks pattern.
No DHCP address is given.
It seems I need to find snap2200.img and try it on my snap 1100.

4)
I also got an email that another company bought this line of servers and I will not have to deal again with the customer support of adaptec.

In a previous email, Adaptec told me that they found my serial number and the server record and blah blah blah, but it is out of guaranty, so they want $120 to continue talking with me.
Actually instead of asking for money, I think they should appologize for this amazing inconvenience and the engineer's wrong decision to put the s/w only on the hard disk and not have a copy on the Rom of the server. A hard disk failure makes the whole 1100 server unusuable.

At least they should give the image file to customers. They found my SNAP's serial number. What else do they need to give me their precious Image file?
What other terific application could I do with it, if not used inside the SNAP server?

I am very dissapointed with Adaptec's customer service.

I will keep on looking for another image file.
Thank you guys from this forum for the help up to now.

Michael

hondaCXrider

04-04-2009, 04:10 AM

Hi,
I was given a snap server quantum (same as a snap 1000 i believe) with a 15gb drive in, it worked OK, but the space was small and the drive noisy. I decided to upgrade and like many here, dropped in an old 75gb and waited...lights but no communication. So I looked for information and found this forum.
If you use XP and look at the share and untick hide system folders and files you will see a folder called "private os" you do not have permissions to delete it(or copy it I think). and this convinced me that part of the OS is on the drive. Next I followed Danz instructions as here :
"Download the cloning program from www.e-mart.com, the program is clone-n-recover.
this program will allow you to clone your hd using byte-to-byte and sector-to-sector.
the lite version will only allow you to make a single clone and after that the program
will stop running, incase you need to re-run the program again you must override its
protection,to override the "security" of the program, unhide the file called
DOSFIT.DSK using attrib.exe and simply delete it, then run the program again.
read the help file of the program on how to use it.

1. set the snap hd to master and slave for the bigger HD
2. Duplicate the Snap1000 to a bigger HD (40GB that i use). using option 2 of the
clone-n-recover (CUSTOM Cloning).
make your Snap HD as the source and your bigger HD as the target.
(the cloning will take time to complete.) at least an hour.
3. After completing the cloning., attached your newly cloned HD to snap server
boot-up the snap
4. using your browser type in http://yoursnapserver/config/debug
5. on the box type in "config devices format 10000 /reinit
6. Reboot the snap server, the snap should now start formatting the drive

Extra notes:
I took a crappy old PC and set up the 2 hard drives, old snap 15GB as master and the 75GB as slave, made a bootable floppy in xp and then transferred all the extracted files from the downloaded program on to it
The program i downloaded was dpcr.exe but it worked more or less the same.
I then ran the diskpro program after booting up from the floppy,it took 6 HOURS to clone the disk!!! be warned, at first I thought it had crashed.
After that I switched off, removed the drive,put the jumper from slave to cable select and put the disk back in the snap.
Then I followed steps 4 to 6 and rebooted. After a lengthy reformat, BINGO it worked. I have a quiet snap server with 8 times the space.
I have joined the forum just to let you guys know this proceedure works, and if I can help anyone else, let me know.

here is log from unit for last 3 steps if this helps read bottom to top:
I File System : Closed FDB for device 0x10006 Disk (Priv) 3/4/2009 20:43:54
I File System : Closed FDB for device 0x10000 Disk 1 3/4/2009 20:43:53
I System Shutdown : In Progress... System 3/4/2009 20:43:52
I System Initialization : Initialization Complete! Memory to be released: 23261984 bytes. System 3/4/2009 20:35:59
I File System : Format complete Disk 1 3/4/2009 20:35:59
I File System : Opened FDB for device 0x10000 Disk 1 3/4/2009 20:35:59
I File System : Successfully initialized empty FDB for device 0x10000 Disk 1 3/4/2009 20:35:59
I DHCP/BOOTP: Setting IP address to 192.168.1.9 Network 3/4/2009 20:22:55
I File System : 75873MB in 9485 cyl groups (16 c/g, 8MB/g, 768 i/g) Disk 1 3/4/2009 20:22:46
I File System : /dev/ride0a: 155389328 sectors in 151748 cylinders of 16 tracks, 64 sectors Disk 1 3/4/2009 20:22:46
I File System : Warning: 624 sectors in last cylinder unallocated Disk 1 3/4/2009 20:22:46
I File System : Formatting /dev/ride0a Disk 1 3/4/2009 20:22:46
I File System : Process formatting device /dev/ride0a Disk 1 3/4/2009 20:22:46
I File System : Format complete Disk (Priv) 3/4/2009 20:22:46
I File System : Opened FDB for device 0x10006 Disk (Priv) 3/4/2009 20:22:46
I File System : Successfully initialized empty FDB for device 0x10006 Disk (Priv) 3/4/2009 20:22:46
I File System : 32MB in 4 cyl groups (16 c/g, 8MB/g, 768 i/g) Disk (Priv) 3/4/2009 20:22:45
I File System : /dev/ride0g: 65536 sectors in 64 cylinders of 16 tracks, 64 sectors Disk (Priv) 3/4/2009 20:22:45
I File System : Formatting /dev/ride0g Disk (Priv) 3/4/2009 20:22:45
I File System : Process formatting device /dev/ride0g Disk (Priv) 3/4/2009 20:22:45
S System Initialization : Server v3.1.626
Build Date: Sep 19 2001 10:02:17
Boot Count: 106 System 3/4/2009 20:22:38

bitor

04-06-2009, 08:55 AM

hondaCXrider

Thank you for contributing to the forum and the information you have provided.

bitor

shirsch

08-21-2009, 08:02 PM

Would anyone able to lend a copy of the SnapOS for my original SNAP (1000? - No model number) please send me a private message? I think this requires 3.4.830, but beggars cannot be choosers.

blue68f100

08-22-2009, 03:47 PM

Overland has released it to the public, but you must get it from them. I have posted the link several times. Use the search feature to fine it.

Since your is a 1000, if it has only 32 meg of ram your options will be limited to v3.

shirsch

08-22-2009, 06:49 PM

Thanks! Unfortunately mine is a 32MB 1000. I found the required image through nefarious means and have successfully upgraded.

Is poor NFS throughput a hallmark of the Snap 1000? It only seems to support UDP transport with a max send/recieve size of 16kB. Transfer speeds are glacial!

blue68f100

08-23-2009, 04:31 PM

The early ones with only 32meg hardly have enough room for the OS beside any cache. The CPU are slower than a snell, so you get what you get.

shirsch

08-23-2009, 05:36 PM

Yes, that's what I kind of figured. However, the prices was right (free), so I cannot complain. Sort of fun to play with!

wileycoyote

08-31-2009, 03:14 PM

Fantastic forum, very informative

Would appreciate some help. Have a Snap 1000, originally
software 2.3.417
hardware 3.1.1
bios 2.1.364

The 15 gb drive in this unit was beginning to make nasty clicking sounds and having severely delayed reads while backing up data. Want to upgrade to a 500GB drive. Upgraded to 3.4.805 without an issue.

Took drive out of box and attached 15gb as master and 500 as slave in another machine and booted with dd at link on wiki page. I am presented with a menu for dd when booting and chose option 4.5 for a disk to disk copy. This program then asks if disks are of same geometry. They aren't but said yes, selected the drives and cut it loose.

Almost immediately got errors as follows:
hda: dma_intr: error0x40 {uncorrectable error}, LBAsect=8635, sector 8630 end_requese: I/O error, dev 03:00 (hda), sector 8630
hda: dma_intr: error 0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error } and

hda: dma_intr: error0x10 {SectorIdNotFound}, LBAsect=8640, sector 8640
hda: dma_intr: error 0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error } then

hda: dma_intr: error0x04 {DriveStatusError}
hda: dma_intr: error 0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error }

I would normally presume my old drive is near death, but am i missing something. Since i can't do the commands as laid out in the wiki, because of the menu want to eliminate "operator error"

When i put the 500gb in the snap box, it boots but there are no partitions and it can't be reformated. Any help would be appreciated.