Hack a Snap Sever 1000?

[meswartz]

I encountered Joe's article on hacking a Quantum Snap Server 2000 < http://www.procooling.com/articles/html/hack_a_snap__server-_joe___10_.shtml > while looking into the possibility of doing the same to my model 1000. A cynic (which I am not) would point out that happily it's a pretty modest hack: Joe took out the old Western Digital 7 Gb drives, dropped in new WD 40 Gb units, booted the box (which runs Linux in flash) and it just took off, formatted the new drives automagically, and said "fill 'er up, boss!" A nice piece of robust engineering, and an interesting bit of investigation on Joe's part.

Looks like My Mileage Does Vary, though. My model 1000 is not NEARLY as accommodating. I tried replacing the original Quantum Fireball CX (10Gb) with a Western Digital Caviar 30Gb I had on hand. No joy: system wakes up OK but lapses into a 1-sec LED blink that means entering (but not =IN=) maintenance mode. Tried all the reasonable and unreasonable jumper settings on the drive: same result. Tried updating the flash software from v2.1 to v3.1, which gets me FTP server capability among other things, but no improvement on the disk situation. Tried slapping an ancient Quantum ProDrive LPS (with a staggering 340 Mb) just to see if it liked the flavor of a Quantum drive better. Nope.

Joe indicates that three other folks have attempted an upgrade to a model 1000 with similar dismal outcome. Has anybody out there tried it and succeeded? Any references to other hack sites covering this?

[buck6919]

If you replace the hard drive cable with a cable that you can connect two drives too, you will be able to have two drive in the unit, eventhough they don't fit. This is how to do it....

Leave the existing hard drive as master and your second drive as slave. Power on unit go to web admin page, you will see that the second drive is formatting.

I have been unable to upgrade the single drive in my snap 1000. I have noticed that there is something odd about my drive in my snap on the top there is a plate that cover some kind of a ribbon cable that goes to the inside of the hard drive. I have been able to upgrade the drives on a snap 4100 at work. I did notice that these drive don't have that little cover covering a ribbon cable. If anyone can upgrade the single drive in a snap server 1000. Please let me know. I think that I have tried just about every combination of drives and jumper settings.

[meswartz]

After the Snap 1000 finished formatting the second drive, did you try installing it as the single master drive? (Sounds like you did, but I want to be sure.)

[buck6919]

Yes, I tried installing new drive as master with no luck. I also tried installing new drive as master with old drive as slave with no luck. There must be some portion of system info stored on primary drive. They must have changed there way of thinking with other models.

[meswartz]

Interesting hypothesis, worth pursuing. FWIW, I mounted the original disk in my NT system, then used PartitionMagic 6.0 to look at it. Though the disk is recognized at the hardware level, PartitionMagic did not recognize it as having any partitions on it. (PM 6.0 knows about Linux EXT2, and Linux SWAP, but that seems to be it. Any suggestions for other disk-sniffing or low-level-copy utilities that I can run from an NT system?

[buck6919]

I was thinking down the same thin line....So I took the disk that the snap formatted. I installed in a Windows 98 machine, and am unable to see any information on it. I don't have a program like partion magic or ghost, so I will be unable to try something like that. What ever utility that you use, it must copy bit per bit from the orginal disk to the new one...which brings up more queastions...I should have spent a little extra money and bought a snap 2000.

[meswartz]

Yeah, well, 20-20 hindsight is a given for all of us. I still think the 1000 will be crackable somehow. The key is to figure out what low-level format the drive is set up in.

[buck6919]

I tried using Norton Ghost 2000, with no luck. If anyone is able to accomplish, let us know.

[buck6919]

I also tried DiskCopy with no luck.

[MSNOVL]

I tried mounting a drive (from a Powervault 701n) containing data with Paragon's Ext2FS Anywhere running on Win2000... no luck, either. Has anyone tried the drive in a Linux box?

[obie_123]

Hi-

I tried to send an email to the author of that Snap hack article, but it bounced. I thought you might be interested in my 2 cents (attached letter below). I know a bit about Linux in case you I can help there- let me know.

I was also wondering if anyone has looked inside other Snap models (the 1100 and 2200). If you can send me some digital pictures of those boards, I'd really appreciate it. I just read that the 4100 uses a Pentium 266 and 128MB of RAM.

Regards,

Roy

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Joe-

I read your October 16, 2001 hacking a Snap Server with *great* interest. I don't have one yet, but have been wondering what makes them tick.

Your article states that the OS is Linux. Following that, the discussion chain that follows says that they've tried mounting a master disk with various flavors of Windows, including looking at it with a tool that can see Linux's extsfs- all to no avail. They've left it with wanting to try a mount from a Linux machine, but my guess is that they'll not have luck there either since they couldn't even see the partition before.....

I think that the answer is that the low level format may be proprietary.
http://www.snapserver.com/products/os/index.asp

Is there a chance it is proprietary?

* More important question to me: Would you happen to have any photos inside the newer generation boxes, or do you know where to find them? Models 1100 and 2200 in particular?

Many Thanks,

Roy Hensley
972-371-3858 (day)

[MSNOVL]

Using the debug commands and some research, I've learned the 701n (Dell's NAS) uses BSD, not Linux.

I have not tried putting up a BSD box and mounting the drives, yet... has anyone else?

My main concern is the ability to retrieve data WITHOUT having to send the things back to Quantum or Dell. . . particularly, when we've all voided the warranty by "upgrading" the drives.

To enter debug mode:

http://nas/config/debug

then type "?" (without quotes) for a list of commands.

[Lambo]

I just picked up a snap server 1000 - 20 gig (on the basis of Joe's article - also on the basis of not having read this thread).

I want to upgrade the snap and it appears that I need to keep the original disk and add a second. Has anyone actually done this and how well does it work?

Thanks

[MSNOVL]

Works fine as long as you don't need to keep any data from your original drive(s) ...

Just replace the drive(s) ... and reboot. It should automatically begin formatting the drives. You can then configure w/ the web interface.

The kicker is the potential for lost data... and no one seems to have the solution for data recovery.

[Deathwind]

Just a thought, seeing as how they used to make "field replace" drives for some of the Snap! servers: Has anyone considered that it might not be data on the hard drive at all that prevents you from swapping in other drives?

What I'm thinking is it might use a serial number or a certain drive identifier (i.e. when you boot drives on normal PC's, you can usually get them to respond with a model name like Maxtor 5T040H4 or some such) to restrict what kind of hard drives it will allow to be used.

Also, another thing which would help with all aspects of hacking Snaps: Quantum makes available for free their Snap OS to registered customers at www.snapservers.com. The understanding of what lies in this would greatly assist any current or future hacking efforts. The two ideas I would have would be opening up the file and looking at it with a good editing program, or installing it over the network (I assume that would be the only way to install it to a Snap) through a packet sniffer to see what it passes to the Snap during installation.

Just a couple ideas from someone who would like to get into modifying Snaps in the future.

[MSNOVL]

Upgrading drives isn't the issue at all... that procedure works just fine. See the above posts.

It's salvaging data and/or cloning drives that has yet to be accomplished. Good tip on the Snap OS, though... which I have discovered is really a variation of BSD.

[meswartz]

Au Contraire, MSWNOVL. There are actually two threads running in parallel here at the moment:

1) how to upgrade the hard drive in a Snap Server 1000 -at all-.

2) How to upgrade any other Snap device while perserving the original contents. (From my perspective, this issue actually seems profoundly simple. Back up the original contents to another system first, replace the Snap drive(s) and let the Snap itself format the new drive then copy the original content back. What could be simpler? Or am I missing something?

[Lambo]

To MESWARTZ

1. Keeping data. I agree that a back up sounds like the simple solution.

2. Upgrading the drive. I haven't received the snap drive yet (delivery expected this week). Have you actually added a drive to the 1000 series before? I gather there is no mounting slot for the additional drive. Any thoughts?

Also, why couldn't I back the original snap drive (including OS) onto a new drive and then install the new drive?

[meswartz]

Please look back at my first posting, which started this thread. To summarize, it seems like the Snap 2000 (and above) will boot properly if you install a new bare naked drive, and will format it. It also appears that you can add a second spindle to any 1-spindle Snap 2000 (or above) and format it using built-in utilities.

What NOBODY has so far figured out is how to install a larger hard drive into a Snap 1000 and get the silly box to boot at all. I have a Snal 1000 with a 10Gb drive that I would =love= to be able to upgrade using a $100 40Gb drive. I'm less sanguine about paying Quantum $500+ for a whole new unit of that capacity.

[Deathwind]

My response was about the possibility of the Snap 1000 using something other than boot info stored on the primary master HD to lock out other hard drives (mounting the hard drives on another system never really seemed like a big issue to me, it seems to me it would be far easier to copy your data over the network and then restore it). Although, the cable buck6919 mentioned sounds interesting...anyone toyed around with it or have any ideas about it? Pictures might also be helpful.

From the posts so far though, my guess would be that the Snap 1000 isn't using data stored on the hard drive itself. Since a slave device will be recognized and used properly by the server, I'd wager that during boot the system does a simple check on the master drive involving either the odd shaped cable mentioned earlier, or something involving data passed from the hard drive such as a serial number or model number as I talked about in my previous post. If the check fails, then it just attempts to go into maintenance mode (but, for some reason, fails as a result of the drive swap).

Also, does anyone know whether the 1100 model is affected by this same problem? Although I don't own a Snap yet, my plan was originally to buy a 1000 and swap in two 160GB drives before I saw this thread. I can get an 1100 for not too much over the 1000, so it would be interesting to me as to whether it's possible in that model. Sadly, I don't really want to invest around the $1k total to find out if it will accept the drives and then have it not function properly.

[imagex]

i found that my raid bios on my abit kt7 will mirror everything so far, maybe try that put both drives on a raid controler and mirror them. hope it helps:)

[snap-tech]

send email to dfullersnap@yahoo.com with questions

[Joe]

Here is something I got in my email, enjoy:


Hey Joe-

I enjoyed your article on how to hack a Meridian Data Snap Server. Those things are a true walk down memory lane.

For your information, we use a heavily customized version of FreeBSD as the core OS. In the older models, the bootstrap is indeed located in the flash on the board. Keep in mind (from a MFG perspective) that these were designed in the days when flash was cheaper than disk space.

Please let your readers know not to try this upgrade on a newer Snap server because the OS is now mostly on the drives.

Drew
Product Manager
Quantum NAS Divison

and


I forgot to mention that we do now offer a Java virtual machine on Snaps, so you can turn it into a DB server, web server etc if you'd like. See the www.gnu.org site for a list of open source Java apps.

Drew

[buck6919]

Just recently bought used Merdian Snap Server 2000 from a seller on Ebay. I was able to replace both drives..Took it from a two 4 gig drives. too two 40 gig drives...

[OzDave]

I have a snap 2000 and I have been unable to upgrade it. When I disconnect the two old drives and attach one new drive (Western Digital 1G drive is what I had on had), and started the server - it would start OK but it would not detect the disk. I tried all the jumper settings and could not get it to work. I have tried setting it as a master and plugging in the old slave and it would not recognize either. I then tried moving it to slave and using the old master. It would detect the master but still refuses to detect the slave.
Any ideas?
David

[livingzombie]

Does anyone have a list of which snap server models have been successfully upgraded? I have access to a few different models and would love to upgrade them.

[cdfxer]

Hi all! I have a rather new SNAP! 1100 40GB model. Someone mentioned they might want pics of the interior? If so I can send em' or post em'. Also has anyone emailed "snap-tech" (in an earlier thread? Just wondering if hes for real....

My SNAP! is used as an MP3 server and for backing up the GF's stamp database. My interests are just for the fun of it. If I mess up the stamp DB.....

Got a heckuva deal on mine: $200--NEW! Some major catalog company ran a sale on "any pentium based server $200 off". Guess what-the SNAP! was advertised in their catalog as pentium based.....they ran the rebate through w/o any problem!

[dork]

Where did you get your snap server with the $200 rebate?

thanks

[cdfxer]

Microwarehouse or somthing like that. They have lots of networking items. The rebate was well over a year ago, so its looong past.

[Retch_Sweeny]

Hi Folks,

I ran across this forum while doing a Google search for possible upgrades of Snap Servers. I was disappointed to find out that the 1000's hard drive is not replaceable, yet. Although a second drive can be added, but it won't fit in the case!

Anyway, after much digging, I found the following thread using the Google groups search engine. It appears that there is a way to 'replace' the hard drive in the 1000 series! At least one person was able to do it.

makeashorterlink.com URL

http://makeashorterlink.com/?C11E22281

regular URL

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&threadm=e72172.mac.com-C88139.23243910022002%40paloalto-snr2.gtei.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dupgrade%2B1000%2B%2522snap%2Bserver%2 522%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26safe%3Doff%26selm%3De72172.mac.com-C88139.23243910022002%2540paloalto-snr2.gtei.net%26rnum%3D1

If anyone else (specifically any *nix pros) can elaborate on this procedure, it'd be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Jesse

[cdfxer]

Great! Glad there is some activity on this still. My home shop is being rebuilt (anyone wanna come drywall??), once Im done I will be attempting the upgrade on my 1100 SNAP!. Just saw a 60GB Maxtor drive at OfficeMax for $59 AR....Hmmmm

[SleepyTiger62]

Hello,

I have completed/replace a 15GB Snap 1000 into a 120GB. Here are the steps, read this enttire thread so you will know what I am talking about.

Step 1:

Remove the original Snap Drive and using Linux/Unix O/S.

Copy the entire contect of original Snap hard drive into the new drive using UNIX dd command.

Step 2:

Connect new drive into Snap and log into Snap via the web page. Then redirect the url to:

http://yourserver/config/debug

Type in "config devices info" into the command area to get the partition device
numbers, in my case it was 10000 and 10006. See below:


************************************************** **

08/18/2002 14:16:02 Command: config devices info

Logical Device: 10006 Position: 0 JBOD Size (KB): 32296 Free (KB): 32168 Private Mounted
Label:Private Contains system files only
Unique Id: 0x123C08AD34558ABC Mount: /priv Index: 12 Order: 0
Partition: 10006 Physical: 10007 FS Size (KB): 32768 Starting Blk: 515 Private
Physical: 10007 Drive Slot: 0 IDE Size (KB): 120627200 Fixed

Logical Device: 10000 Position: 1 JBOD Size (KB): 118313472 Free (KB): 118195104 Public Mounted
Label:Drive1 Single disk
Unique Id: 0x123C08AD34558ABC Mount: /0 Index: 0 Order: 1
Partition: 10000 Physical: 10007 FS Size (KB): 119953736 Starting Blk: 84055 Public
Physical: 10007 Drive Slot: 0 IDE Size (KB): 120627200 Fixed

************************************************** **

Then type in "config devices format 10000 /reinit".

Reboot to start the format and re-initialization. After that the full capacity of the new drive will take affect.

Good Luck & Have Fun

SleepyTiger62@Yahoo.com

[Retch_Sweeny]

Hi SleepyTiger62,

Thanks for posting the info.

Do you happen to know if *any* Unix OS machine can pull this off? Specifically, will a MacOS X machine be able to use the DD command on the Snap's drive? What is the format of the Snap's hard drive?

I'm not Unix saavy (plenty of command line work with DOS though, back in the day), can you post an example use of the DD command?

Best Regards and Thanks in advance,

Jesse

[maface]

Here's an article on the inside of a snap server
http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/review/crg992.htm

[nmb]

Hi,

We use at work several models of snap servers ranging from 1000 to 4100 and the possibility of upgrading 20GB snap 1000 and 40GB snap 2000 servers is great!

One thing bothering me. Joe at the article states that we cannot use ultra ATA drives. Does this means the current 7200RPM drives? Is there a way to put them on? That would be a great speed bump on the server.

We use Macs so I have access to one unix system. Mac OS X. Can I use it to copy the 1000 snap drives?

thx!

nuno

[cdfxer]

Most of the ultra ata drives can be set to a lower interface speed, IE from UltraDMA 100 to PIO4/3 etc. The drive manufacturers have utilities on their sites to do this. The Ultra DMA spec is supposed to be downward compatible-just plug and go. On a special purpose device like the SNAP! this may or maynot be true. Also just by plugging an ultra DMA drive into a regular IDE cable will force it to run at the lower interface. There are drives out there that have trouble with this though.....

[nmb]

thx

I'll have a go and then post the results.

Can't wait to upgrade the 2X20GB snap 2000 to 2X80GB :D

nuno

[Joe]

you CAN use ultra ATA drives, but the older devices just wont use the extra speed, I think the max on the one I had was PIO4 at the most.

[marari]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SleepyTiger62
[B]Hello,

I have completed/replace a 15GB Snap 1000 into a 120GB. Here are the steps, read this enttire thread so you will know what I am talking about.

Step 1:

Remove the original Snap Drive and using Linux/Unix O/S.

Copy the entire contect of original Snap hard drive into the new drive using UNIX dd command.

--------SNIP---------

Another way to do this is to do the following:
1) hook up a power splitter 'Y' cable so you can plug 2 hdd in to the SNAP 1000
2) Get an IDE cable (a regular IDE cable is fine. Really)
3) Set up the original SNAP 1000 drive as the master, the new hard drive (in this case a Maxtor 40 GB is what I used) as the slave.
4) Turn the damn thing on and wait until it finishes formatting the new hard drive.
5) go to http://yoursnapserver/config/debug and enter the following command:
config devices config mirror

success is met with the following response:
Request to Configure a MIRRORRED device with members: 10000 10008 has been registered.
System may need rebooting (or device unmount all/remount all)
before reconfiguration takes effect.

6) Then issue the following command:
reboot

--------------- SNIP AGAIN --------------------

Nope. Doesn't work. :cry: Back to the drawing board... :mad:

[darp]

I successfuly upgraded Snap! server 2000 meridian edition. I first tried installing 160gb Western digital but it was recognized as 30gb hd. Tried also with 100gb WD - the same thing - shows up as 30gb. Tried going into /config/debug and reformating the drive but this didn't help. Then I tried to update the Snap OS (original one was 2.0) to 3.x. It took me some time to figure out how to put the Snap server into update mode - you should go to /config/update. This wasn't documented in the manual. After the update I reformated the 100gb disk again and this time it changed to 95gb in /config/debug - "info device". I wasn't able to try with 160gb because it was already full at that time. Snap OS 3.x seems much better than 2.x. Did somebody tried disks bigger then 130gb? If this things supports bigger disks it is priceless.

[danz]

I sucessfully upgraded my Snap 1000 using DOS Mode, here are the procedures.
This is almost similar to a previous posting but the difference is this is
done under DOS and not linux/unix.

Download the cloning program from www.e-mart.com/www the program is clone-n-recover.
this program will allow you to clone your hd using byte-to-byte and sector-to-sector.
the lite version will only allow you to make a single clone and after that the program
will stop running, incase you need to re-run the program again you must override its
protection,to override the "security" of the program, unhide the file called
DOSFIT.DSK using attrib.exe and simply delete it, then run the program again.
read the help file of the program on how to use it.

1. set the snap hd to master and slave for the bigger HD
2. Duplicate the Snap1000 to a bigger HD (40GB that i use). using option 2 of the
clone-n-recover (CUSTOM Cloning).
make your Snap HD as the source and your bigger HD as the target.
(the cloning will take time to complete.) at least an hour.
3. After completing the cloning., attached your newly cloned HD to snap server
boot-up the snap
4. using your browser type in http://yoursnapserver/config/debug
5. on the box type in "config devices format 10000 /reinit
6. Reboot the snap server, the snap should now start formatting the drive

7. using "config devices info" here is what i have now. noticed the size?
it is now 38816752(KB) almost 40GB.

Logical Device: 10006 Position: 0 JBOD Size (KB): 32296 Free (KB): 32168 Private Mounted Label:Private Contains system files only Unique Id: 0x2DA0031E356C1829 Mount: /priv Index: 12 Order: 0 Partition: 10006 Physical: 10007 FS Size (KB): 32768 Starting Blk: 515 Private Physical: 10007 Drive Slot: 0 IDE Size (KB): 39082496 Fixed
Logical Device: 10000 Position: 1 JBOD Size (KB): 38285888 Free (KB): 38247552 Public Mounted Label:Drive1 Single disk Unique Id: 0x2DA0031E356C1829 Mount: /0 Index: 0 Order: 1 Partition: 10000 Physical: 10007 FS Size (KB): 38816752 Starting Blk: 33090 Public Physical: 10007 Drive Slot: 0 IDE Size (KB): 39082496 Fixed

Hope you enjoy it!

Dan Santillan
Comptia A+,NET+ certified.
PCTek.Technologies.
:cool:

[bidulle]

Can someone give me a image of quantum 1000, because my hard disk is broken and quantum don't response at my mail....
Thank you...

[mgeorge]

I'm using Mac OS X and here is what I did to upgrade a Snapserver 1000. I didn't need any data off the old Snapserver so I just reformatted it, otherwise I would have just copied it all to my computer. I then took the drive out, attached it to my Mac and
1. launched terminal, and typed:
2. "ls -l /dev/disk?"for a list of attached drives,
3. "df" to find out which drive doesn't show in the list, that drive being 'x',
4. "sudo -s" and enter password,
5. "dd if=/dev/rdiskx of=/snap.bin count=50000" - 'x' being the original Snapserver drive, '50000' since everything on a clean Snapserver is stored within the first 50000 blocks - approx 25 megs.

When finished copying, shut down the Mac, switch the old Snapserver drive with the replacement and restart. Don't initialize the disk when the Finder launches.

Repeat steps 1 through 4. Step 5 changes slightly. Type "dd if=/snap.bin of=/dev/rdiskx.

Shut down the computer, take out replacement drive, make sure it is set to 'Master' and put it in the Snapserver case, attach all connectors and turn it on. If it was successful you'll see the lights flashing normally. When it's ready open a web browser and go to "http://yourserver/config/debug". Then enter in "config devices format 10000 /reinit" and reboot the Snapserver. You should have a newly upgraded Snapserver.

Good luck,
Michael George

[bidulle]

hello...
Thank you for your response...
Is it possible to you to give me the iso image because my hd is broken...
Peraps via ftp, it's a good idea, no?

Thank you

[WirelessDJ]

I need clarification on this

What is the largest drive that these will handle? can I pop two 100gb drives in there and have it work or is there a bios issue?

what model snap servers support raid mirroring?

can someone list each model and designate where the OS is stored on each?

snapserver 1000 os is stored on ?
snapserver 2000 os is stored on ?
snapserver 2200 os is stored on ?

will any of the tivo hacking partition tools work?

:shrug:

[cow736]

Has anyone looked into the TiVo Hack guides maybe that will help on copying or backing up the Snap Servers?

Here is TiVo Hack FAQ 1 (http://www.tivofaq.com/hack/faq.html) and TiVo Hack FAQ 2 (http://www.newreleasesvideo.com/hinsdale-how-to/index2.html)

BTW, does anyone know what type of partition the Snap Server 1100 has?

[MonkeyClaw®]

Originally posted by darp
I successfuly upgraded Snap! server 2000 meridian edition. I first tried installing 160gb Western digital but it was recognized as 30gb hd. Tried also with 100gb WD - the same thing - shows up as 30gb. Tried going into /config/debug and reformating the drive but this didn't help. Then I tried to update the Snap OS (original one was 2.0) to 3.x. It took me some time to figure out how to put the Snap server into update mode - you should go to /config/update. This wasn't documented in the manual. After the update I reformated the 100gb disk again and this time it changed to 95gb in /config/debug - "info device". I wasn't able to try with 160gb because it was already full at that time. Snap OS 3.x seems much better than 2.x. Did somebody tried disks bigger then 130gb? If this things supports bigger disks it is priceless.


One reason you are probably not able to use a 160GB drive is due to the fact that the motherboard and BIOS on the older Snap Server is not able to handle 48-bit addressing which is required to go beyond 137GB in size. Although, you should be able to go up to 2 x 120GB drive topping you out at 240GB, which isn't too shabby!

-MonkeyClaw®

[kcrossley]

Originally posted by mgeorge
I'm using Mac OS X and here is what I did to upgrade a Snapserver 1000. I didn't need any data off the old Snapserver so I just reformatted it, otherwise I would have just copied it all to my computer. I then took the drive out, attached it to my Mac and
1. launched terminal, and typed:
2. "ls -l /dev/disk?"for a list of attached drives,
3. "df" to find out which drive doesn't show in the list, that drive being 'x',
4. "sudo -s" and enter password,
5. "dd if=/dev/rdiskx of=/snap.iso count=50000" - 'x' being the original Snapserver drive, '50000' since everything on a clean Snapserver is stored within the first 50000 blocks - approx 25 megs.

When finished copying, shut down the Mac, switch the old Snapserver drive with the replacement and restart. Don't initialize the disk when the Finder launches.

Repeat steps 1 through 4. Step 5 changes slightly. Type "dd if=/snap.bin of=/dev/rdiskx.

Shut down the computer, take out replacement drive, make sure it is set to 'Master' and put it in the Snapserver case, attach all connectors and turn it on. If it was successful you'll see the lights flashing normally. When it's ready open a web browser and go to "http://yourserver/config/debug". Then enter in "config devices format 10000 /reinit" and reboot the Snapserver. You should have a newly upgraded Snapserver.

Good luck,
Michael George


Hi Michael,

I just read your post and I'm also considering upgrading my Snap 1000 with my Mac G4 and I have a few questions.

1. What drive did you use?

2. How is your Snap performing after the upgrade?

3. Am I correct in that you did the following.

A) Removed the original drive from the Snap Server.
B) Connected it to your desktop as an internal slave drive
C) Copied the contents including the SNAP OS to your desktop Mac.
D) Replace the original Snap Server drive with a new drive in your desktop Mac.
E) Copied the contents of the original Snap drive from your desktop Mac to the new drive.
F) Set the new drive to Master and installed it into the old Snap Server housing.

Thanks for your help.

- Kelly

[Bigbiff8]

Anyone wanting to upgrade a snap 1000 just follow the directions Danz provided in the post above, just completed a 40gig upgrade. Very easy to do!!!!!!!!!!!

[yvette176]

hi, i have four snap! 4000 servers and would like to upgrade them to 400gb (2 x 300gb raid5) configurations. if the opsys is really on the disks, then wouldn't swapping in a new disk - if the snap! is in raid5 config - cause immediate disk repair to commence? and if so, wouldn't the snap server rebuild the new disk?

once the new disk is rebuilt, shouldn't i be able to swap the remaining old disk for another new, larger (same size as first new larger disk) and then have *that* one rebuilt?

finally, the post on converting the snap server to a java/DB server is intriguing. anybody tried this?

tia!:rolleyes: :confused:

[mingle]

Just a quick note to say that I managed to upgrade my SnapServer 1000 with a 40gig Seagate Barracuda using Michael George's directions.

Initially, only the original drive size (15 gig) was showing after the upgrade, but I then updated the OS, shut down the Snap Server, and then ran the format command, and voila, the correct space was shown! Probably just shutting down and running the format command would have worked, but I thought I might as well run the update.

The drive upgrade has given the SnapServer a new lease of life; thanks!

[jgantes]

I have upgraded an old Snap! from two 9GB drives to two 40GB drives. However, I was wondering the following and would greatly appreciate any information:

-Where is the OS stored on the 2200 model and 2100 model snap?

-Can you updgrade the 2200's drives? If so how large can you go?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Jim

[timinark]

I fried my Snap Server 1000( no lights, fan jiggles) but I would bet that the drive was good. I don't have the cash to send to Drive Savers or to buy a new one, so I hope that someone might have a Snap Server with a bad drive they might want to sell, trade, barter. I really want a piece of data on it.

Thanks

[mg]

I used Norton Ghost 2003 and basicaly used command line switches and told it to do a raw copy. I then used the "secret" debug web page to instruct the server to format and init the drive. So far all I have done is a 15 to 20 GB test upgrade. I am now going to do a 20 to 60 GB upgrade first, then I will attach a 2nd 60 GB drive and see if I can mirror the drive. I will post complete details here once I get the 60 GB mirrored drive up and running. For any who are interested, please stay tuned.

Here's the ghost 2003 command line I used from the section of the ghost manual about command switches

ghost.exe -clone,mode=copy,src=x,dst=x -ir

x equals the source and destination, in my case a disk to disk clone. The -ir switch means "image raw" and "copies the entire disk, ignoring the partition table." The manual goes on to say, "This is useful whe a disk does not contain a partition table in the standard PC format, or you do not want partitions to be realigned to track boundaries on the destination disk. Some operating systems may not be able to access unaligned partitions. Partitions cannot be resized during restore and you need an identical or larger disk."

No problems so far as I have done this with a 20 and 60 GB disk from the original 15 GB disk. I then follow the instructions for the format /reinit command. It has worked so far. I'll let the forum know if I can get it to work with a 120 GB disk soon as that is my next goal.

[mg]

I've cloned the primary drive to a larger drive and got that to work. I've installed a 2nd drive (looks monstrous as it will not fit in the original case). The OS automatically recognizes and formats the 2nd drive and will give me access to the 2nd drive. But, how do I make the 2nd drive stripe (no data redundancy) or mirror (fault tolerance) the 1st drive?

I have tried config devices predict mirror from the debug web page and got this output:

Request to configure a MIRRORRED device with members: 10000 10008
upon reboot will take 180 seconds to complete and result in:
Logical Device 50000 Total Space (KB): 58251896 - data from device 10000 will be retained, leaving Free Space(KB): 0.
Command: config devices info

Logical Device: 10000 Position: 1 JBOD Size (KB): 57455336 Free (KB): 57397864 Public Mounted
Label:Drive1 Single disk
Unique Id: 0x61B3B7CC23363B7A Mount: /0 Index: 1 Order: 1
Partition: 10000 Physical: 10007 FS Size (KB): 58251896 Starting Blk: 45297 Public
Physical: 10007 Drive Slot: 0 IDE Size (KB): 58615296 Fixed

Logical Device: 10006 Position: 0 JBOD Size (KB): 32296 Free (KB): 32200 Private Mounted
Label:Private Contains system files only
Unique Id: 0x61B3B7CC23363B7A Mount: /priv Index: 0 Order: 0
Partition: 10006 Physical: 10007 FS Size (KB): 32768 Starting Blk: 515 Private
Physical: 10007 Drive Slot: 0 IDE Size (KB): 58615296 Fixed

Logical Device: 10008 Position: 2 JBOD Size (KB): 57455336 Free (KB): 57397872 Public Mounted
Label:Drive2 Single disk
Unique Id: 0x631D519A16A7DA80 Mount: /1 Index: 2 Order: 2
Partition: 10008 Physical: 1000F FS Size (KB): 58251896 Starting Blk: 45297 Public
Physical: 1000F Drive Slot: 1 IDE Size (KB): 58615296 Fixed

The server DID NOT mirror the drives upon reboot. Any thoughts or guidance?

Thanks.

[ISPDr]

G'Day,

Okay, after reading this formum I went out and grabbed as many Snap Servers as I could from ebay (2 x 4100 and 2 x 1000) now. I liking hacking thing... ;-) I have had a REALLY good play with every thing in the 'debug' section.... the two drive mirror is a gift on the 1000s! (Raid 5 isn't an option - even with 2 disks - it needs 3 drives minimum). But! To get a mirror, all you have to do is:


1. Make sure you have the latest snapOS on it (3.4.803)
- its the same version on all of the < 4500s (bonus)

2. Go into debug mode

3. bios unlock (this enables perm changes to the bios)

4. bios model 0 (this make it think you now own a 2000.....)

5. bios lock (just to be sure etc)


Done.... go to the disk utilties section.... and bing there you go.... you should now have the 'Configure Disks' option as of course, you now infact have a snap 2000 - which comes standard with two disks ;-) Enjoy!



Now.... if anyone know where to change this:

debug
info nvram

NFS: ENABLED
HTTP: ENABLED
Telnet remote console: DISABLED (0) <<<<<<<<<-------
RCP server: DISABLED (0)
BOOTP server: DISABLED
HTTPd Port: 80
SMTP Port: 25
SCSI Termination: INTERNAL, external devices illegal.
Protocol Daemons: 32
Raid Cache: 0
Raid Threads: 0
Current Code Page: 437 = US English
File System FSync: ENABLED
FileSystem Full Alert: 90%


... then I would be truly greatful! Clearly the units have a lot more of the OS in them than many first thought. So, If you know how to make the Telnet program action PLEASE let me know ;-)


BTW too anyone a bit scared to play with debug.... I wouldn't worry too much. I have pretty much changed every option I could get my hands on and still haven't managed to break it yet! Only two hints ive found:

1) keep the bios lock on unless you know what your doing
2) the bios flup is one to stay away from (somthing to do with OS upgrades... run it and you go to reset the box to factory defaults to get it back).


Ahhh one other one I did find that would be _really_ good for everyone - expecially 2200 / 4000 / 4100 owners - 'QDL - Quick Dir Lookup'. By default this will be turned off (and I dont think there is a way to turn it on other than debuf). Essentially this 'pre-caches' all of the files in the directory structure, so that any reads from client boxes grab it from the cache and not the drive - this REALLY speeds up clicking through directory structures through windows (an order of magnitude if you have 1000+ files in there). Its easy to do.... from debug mode:

qdl start
qdl scantree /0 0 (/0 for first 'logical drive' /1 if you have a 2nd etc)
qdl buildtree /0


Thats it - your directorys should scream along now!


Finally, if you have a 4000 / 4100 (might be the same for the 2200 - but I haven't seeon one). Take the existing sim out - 64Mb, and replace it with the biggest one you have - ive had them running up to 512Mb. This will REALLY help disk performance as the OS sees this and uses it to increase the 'cache ramsize'.


Hope this helps everyone - im totally stoked with the units (just after a cheap 2200 - hint hint) to complete the collection and Im done! Software wise love it too- only two things... id love to know if anyone has the telnet going ;-) And if anyone has a single bloody Java app running it! Ive looked everywhere but, just cant find anything a) worth running on it b) offered by anyone other than snap (err if anyone knows any helpful hints on the S2S key, then please let me know).

This has been a great forum, would love to hear from anyone that knows anymore:
1) Hacks about the OS (especially debug mode)
2) If anyone knows much more about the hardware a) what is that other ide-looking connectots labeled 'isp'; b) what goes into the two 20 pin connectors (currently not soldered in).


If anyone has any other questions on some of the debug bits, please let me know - have spent way to much time playing with it already ;-0



Enjpoy.


Regs
Matt

[OzDave]

Matt,
You asked about Java apps on Snap OS. I have actually got 3 different ones running. I was not satisfied with the FTPd, so I replaced that with a Java FTPd.
Also, I have written my own Web server as I wanted to add some extra capabilities - it can now scan my MP3 files and pull the IDv3 tags from them and dynamically generate a web page.
Finally, I have been working on adding DynDNS (dyndns.org) support to it, using a java client. Still working on a DNS client, as the SnapOS does not have any DNS support.
Would be glad to help you out in what needs to be done to adapt Java apps for the SnapOS.

OzDave

BTW: I have an original Meridan 2000 Server, with Java installed using a hack from a newsgroup I found.

[jackyjong]

I had snapserver 2200, one of the harddisk fail. I try to rebuild a new harddisk for the 2200, but unsuccess. But i been heard someone selling the harddisk image for $300.

Do anyone had the os image for the snap2200? Because many of my friends say, it is IMPOSIBLE to a harddisk failure snapserver. But i never giveup. Please help me.

Thks


:(

[Gravity Slave]

I also have a few Snap Server 4000 units that I would like to try upgrading as well.

I see people on eBay selling modified units and wonder how they did so.

Does anyone know if it is as simple as dropping in 4 new drives or do I need to rebuild the server one drive at a time?

Thanks for any information.

[shen]

Hi everyone,

I just purchased two brandnew (really) 4000 models for less than 500 EUR each ;-)

Glad to have found this thread because I'm also interested in playing around with harddrives and other modifications, so if anyone has some hints with the upgrade procedure, please let us know.

Someone said that upgrading memory should be no problem - what is the max. amount of memory which is supported by SnapOS or by the Hardware / Bios for a SnapServer 4000?

And can someone tell if it really makes a difference in performance if memory is upgraded?

Greetings from Germany ...
S.

[fixfox]

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8616

[yvette176]

just looked at the snapappliance dot com site. they want $199 *per copy*, and one copy *per server*, to upgrade to snap/os v4. sounds outrageous to me. and the new software *still* doesn't let you install stuff - other than what "they who know what is good for us" dictate.

we've just bought two new x345's from ibm, and once they're in and configed - and we've moved everything off the snap boxes - i'm going to drop linux into a snap box. yes, it'll void my warranty, blah blah blah. the snap software isn't bad, but when someone tells me what can and cannot be run on a paid-for out-of-warranty box that my company owns, well, we take a dim view of that. afa we're concerned, it's a mobo, p/s and four drives. we'll swap in b-i-g *huge* drives, drop in a version of linux that doesn't require a console *and doesn't prevent telnet logins*, and then we'll tell everyone how we did it. if anyone wants to help, we'll be glad to do a "team thing" on this project, and share the techniques.

we've got 4 x 4000's, and they'd make a fabulous cluster, or just four fabulous linux boxes. the hardware is good. imho linux will make them better.

really, this *we know what's good for you* attitude - to not let people run what they want on a box for which they've paid - is absurd and overcontrolling. i understand that they probably don't want to support user-installed software - fine. tell users that if they install their own software, their software support warranty is void. but to prevent software installation on a box that we own? sounds like 1963 eastern-bloc politics to me.

[Chip]

I managed to get Snap server 1000 booting properly with the help of a free tool called Diskprobe from the NT Resource Kit. The kit is now free to download from Microsoft. basically I used the good HD with the Diskprobe and copied out the sectors 0-4096 and saved them as a file then turned around and wrote them back to a new HD. When the Snap boots it did not go into the maintenance mode but rather booted normally. The only problem was the new drive had the old drive's partition table. Long story short...the answer lies in the partition table. That's why you can't just slap any old drive in. The Snap drive also contains any customizing you mave have done such as failure notification email addresses and such. I only managed to get the Snap to boot and bring up the http interface. The drive was not in good enough shape to format or repair but I'm still working on that.

Chip.

[Maccydo]

Upgrading the drives in my SNAP has been a partial success. Original 2 16gig drives were replaced with a couple 120gig western digitals. The SNAP fires up fine but only sees them as 38gig or so each. I'm not sure what model number it is, 1000 or 1100 because it doesn't have the markings on the outside of the case that most do.

SNAPs document for the 4100, 4100__disdrive.pdf has some information on pages 7 to 9 on using the reinit command. I tried it but it didn't change anything. It could be that I didn't have the correct information in the config device format 100## /reinit /nocore command line or that this is not the correct command to change the size of the drives.

I plan on another attempt this weekend since the SNAP is down and apart to replace the CPU fan. eMail me if anyone is able to come up with commands that worked or might work for me.

forum@ezend.com

Thanks,
Don

[jawzzz]

Greetings all,

This is my first time posting here, but I've been reading the forum for a little while now. Thanks for all the info already posted.

I'm having a problem trying to upgrade my SNAP 4000 (SNAP OS: 3.4.803 (US) with 4 x 120GB WD1200's. Interestingly enough, Either of the two channels function perfectly well with two of the drives by them. That is to say that I can successfuly get the Primary IDE channel to detect both 120GB drives and I can get the secondary IDE channel to detect the two 120GB drives, but as soon as I have all four drives plugged into two channels, the SNAP server doesn't detect any of the drives. Could this be an addressing issue?

I've tried all the alternate jumper settings for both CS as well as Master/Slave with no luck. If anyone has run into this scenario, and found a work a round I'd be really eager to hear it.

Thanks in advance.

[csiebert]

Wanted to pass on my experience with my Snap 1000. It was one of the 'originals', a 1000 I guess. two 8.5 Gig IBM hard drives. Following the advice on this thread, I installed 2 160 gig drives. The machine booted fine and formated the new drives. Problems: the snap server only sees them as 130gig drives. Also, I turned on mirroring at approx. 10PM last night and this morning at 9am (11 hours) it is 12% complete.

Also tried to buy some of these on Ebay but I guess word is out on such an easy hack that the prices are very over inflated so buying used ones really isnt too bright, especially since there is a device called reByte (found it while searching for the snap server hack) for only $150. Also, it is so easy to build your own with a pentium/pentiumII/AMD and FreeBSD or Linux. But the snap has the appeal of being quite and small in size. But anyone that happens to have a snap laying around can give it new life.

[jawzzz]

Well, I just wanted to followup and pass on my experience successfuly upgrading a SNAP 4000 server. I had nothing but problems with the first Western Digital EIDE drives I tried. I RMA'd them back to the vendor in exchange for 120GB IDE (non-EIDE) Seagate drives (model# ST3120022A). I installed all four drives in Cable Select mode and to my suprise and relief the were immediatly recognized and formated.

There were no problems with the OS or any data on the HDD's. The OS on the 4000's seem to be completely in ROM, and I've got tape backups (and my old drives) to restore my data from.

Total cost to upgrade from 120GB to 480GB: $432. I'd say it's worth it.

Good luck to all of you.

Jawzzz



Greetings all,

This is my first time posting here, but I've been reading the forum for a little while now. Thanks for all the info already posted.

I'm having a problem trying to upgrade my SNAP 4000 (SNAP OS: 3.4.803 (US) with 4 x 120GB WD1200's. Interestingly enough, Either of the two channels function perfectly well with two of the drives by them. That is to say that I can successfuly get the Primary IDE channel to detect both 120GB drives and I can get the secondary IDE channel to detect the two 120GB drives, but as soon as I have all four drives plugged into two channels, the SNAP server doesn't detect any of the drives. Could this be an addressing issue?

I've tried all the alternate jumper settings for both CS as well as Master/Slave with no luck. If anyone has run into this scenario, and found a work a round I'd be really eager to hear it.

Thanks in advance.

[jdeagles]

I have also had trouble trying to get my snap server 2200 working properly. One of my drives failed, but not the one with the OS on it. The problem is, the disks were set up for striping and I can't delete my failed stripe off the working disk so even when I replace the other disk I still have 80 Gb of wasted space I can't do anything about!!!

Does anyone know of any way to edit the partition table on these things so I can take out the reference to the failed stripe and reclaim the space once again (this time for a mirror ;-) )

I had snapserver 2200, one of the harddisk fail. I try to rebuild a new harddisk for the 2200, but unsuccess. But i been heard someone selling the harddisk image for $300.

Do anyone had the os image for the snap2200? Because many of my friends say, it is IMPOSIBLE to a harddisk failure snapserver. But i never giveup. Please help me.

Thks


:(

[bilbo69]

Hi all,

Have anybody succeeded in replacing disks on a Snap Server 2000 with Deskstar disks (7K250 here) ? They are just not recognized, the Snap gives warning : "File System : MakeNewLabel(): Requested partitions exceed drive size", then error "LCD Message : FAILED: Disk 1" and "Disk Driver : Cannot Read Device 80070007 Block 13"...

Any idea please ?

Bilbo69

[comiston]

Ye recipe -
First backup all contents - this method destroys all data !!
Make a byte for byte image of existing disk with utility in winhex or g4u ( copydisk ) to put image of existing disk onto new larger harddrive .
Install the new harddrive physically back into the server and reattach to network.
At this point the harddrive should function normally but will only accomodate the same amount of data as the original .
To update the software to take account of new harddrive size -
Enter into http://"snapserver ip"/config/debug
type into command line " config devices format 10000 /reinit "
Reboot and be patient - it can take a long time to format a large drive .
If this command fails then double check the logical id of your drive is 10000 ( mine is ) by typing " config devices info "

Have upgraded using this method from 20gig to 40gig to 120gig
also downgraded from 20gig to 8gig ( just to experiment )

Pass this knowledge on as it is certainly not widely available . Comiston




I encountered Joe's article on hacking a Quantum Snap Server 2000 < http://www.procooling.com/articles/html/hack_a_snap__server-_joe___10_.shtml > while looking into the possibility of doing the same to my model 1000. A cynic (which I am not) would point out that happily it's a pretty modest hack: Joe took out the old Western Digital 7 Gb drives, dropped in new WD 40 Gb units, booted the box (which runs Linux in flash) and it just took off, formatted the new drives automagically, and said "fill 'er up, boss!" A nice piece of robust engineering, and an interesting bit of investigation on Joe's part.

Looks like My Mileage Does Vary, though. My model 1000 is not NEARLY as accommodating. I tried replacing the original Quantum Fireball CX (10Gb) with a Western Digital Caviar 30Gb I had on hand. No joy: system wakes up OK but lapses into a 1-sec LED blink that means entering (but not =IN=) maintenance mode. Tried all the reasonable and unreasonable jumper settings on the drive: same result. Tried updating the flash software from v2.1 to v3.1, which gets me FTP server capability among other things, but no improvement on the disk situation. Tried slapping an ancient Quantum ProDrive LPS (with a staggering 340 Mb) just to see if it liked the flavor of a Quantum drive better. Nope.

Joe indicates that three other folks have attempted an upgrade to a model 1000 with similar dismal outcome. Has anybody out there tried it and succeeded? Any references to other hack sites covering this?

[CM]

You say they were nonEIDE drives but looking up that part number they show as EIDE drives?
Seagate Barracuda ST3120022A 120GB Hard Drive
(EIDE ATA-100, 7200 RPM, 8MB)

Is that the correct part number? Want to be sure before I go plunk down $350


Well, I just wanted to followup and pass on my experience successfuly upgrading a SNAP 4000 server. I had nothing but problems with the first Western Digital EIDE drives I tried. I RMA'd them back to the vendor in exchange for 120GB IDE (non-EIDE) Seagate drives (model# ST3120022A). I installed all four drives in Cable Select mode and to my suprise and relief the were immediatly recognized and formated.

There were no problems with the OS or any data on the HDD's. The OS on the 4000's seem to be completely in ROM, and I've got tape backups (and my old drives) to restore my data from.

Total cost to upgrade from 120GB to 480GB: $432. I'd say it's worth it.

Good luck to all of you.

Jawzzz

[jawzzz]

HI CM,

Really? I just looked on the Seagate website on the part number page ( http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/specs/ata/st3120022a.html ) , and I don't see EIDE anywhere. The drive is an Ultra ATA/100 standard, but the term EIDE is a term coined by WD, and loosely accepted throughout the industry. Either way, I know this drive works with my SNAP server. I've now been running for a couple months without incident. If it helps, I bought my drives through CDW ( http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=467103 ). They have a fantastic return policy if they don't work.

Good Luck!

Jawzzz

You say they were nonEIDE drives but looking up that part number they show as EIDE drives?
Seagate Barracuda ST3120022A 120GB Hard Drive
(EIDE ATA-100, 7200 RPM, 8MB)

Is that the correct part number? Want to be sure before I go plunk down $350

[abombss]

What is the max size hd that a snap server can handle? Are there any bios upgrades to get around this limitation?

[deadsenator]

What is the max size hd that a snap server can handle? Are there any bios upgrades to get around this limitation?

I must admit that I'm just now looking at drives over 120GB to purchase and own none at the moment. I would think that Quantum will never supply us with a bios upgrade to handle larger drives. That's not what they would like for us to do. Instead, were supposed to buy their next over priced and under engineered product.

As far as the Snap 2000 goes, I think the 120's are all that you want to do. The temperatures inside get way too hot with the faster and larger drives. I just completed repairs on my 240GB Snap 2000 because someone put two 7200RPM 120GB drives in and cooked the CPU fan AND the disk that was positioned immediately over it in a short period of time. If I had known what was going on, I'd have done something before I lost 200GB of data in a (default) RAID 0 configuration. Do not save data in this fashion if you value it. Make backups. Thankfully, (and fortuitously) I've recovered most of it. There is also some suspicion that the RAID 0 configuration does not give better performance in this device. Use the QDL option instead and adjust memory/buffers.

I struggled for a while to re-invigorate the dead disk, but no amount of trips to the freezer would make it spin again. I found a new WD 120GB for $60, plopped it in and read web pages like these to learn about this device. Everyone talked about upgrading these things, but not about repairing them. Ergo why I've posted this drivel. The new disk came up fine, but the logs constantly complained about the old disk. It kept seeing the old 240GB 'drive' and it's shares from the earlier RAID 0 and consequently would not allow for the creation of anything until that was resolved. The 'configure disks' menu pick led to a error message that ended with a vapid suggestion to contact technical support. It seems that all the documentation brings that one up a lot. I will not go quietly into that good night. I've found the meat of the information here. Another good reason to contribute. So others can see and read another variation.

I finally understood that I simply had to wipe the older healthy drive from the old configuration. I had initially been afraid to do this for fear of losing O/S data. Fear not, it's all in flash. I then used a wipe program to erase the disk and simply reattached it. Voila! The old 240GB disk was gone and the disk was now free to join the newly installed one in a proper RAID 1 configuration. I use this at home for live backup storage.

It is worth noting that a heavier or beefier CPU fan needs to be mounted before installing a 7200RPM disk. Unfortunately, there is precious little clearance for this. The cooler 5400RPM disk are much better suited in this application. If you can mod the case with an extra fan that would be even better. I replaced my CPU fan with one off a P-II 300. A bit fatter, but functional.

In my reading, discovering the debug prompt was the greatest boon (http://192.168.0.x/config/debug - replace x with your correct #). I'd really love to discover the telnet switch. This article was great:

http://www.procooling.com/articles/html/hack_a_snap__server-_joe___10_.php

You may email me if you think I can help or if you want to send me v4 of the SnapOS. ;~P Thanks to all the others for their insightful posts and for Google for steering me here. Now, if we could just fit it with a gigabit interface...

DS

[abombss]

deadsenator -- i think i can help you out but I do not have your email. drop me a line at abombss at hotmail

[OzDave]

Has anyone tried putting a larger that 120Gb drive into a Snap 2000? I was reading the specs of the new Snap Appliance devices, and the 4200 model can provide up to 640Gb. If the 4X00 series devices still have 4 drives, then that would be 160Gb drives, ie larger than 120Gb. I am wondering if the SnapOS v4 provides this capability. If I installed SnapOS v4, could I install 2x 300Gb drives? (aside from the heat problem pointed out by deadsenator). I would love to give it a go, but I don't want to shell out the $99 just to find out that it doesn't work.

[otoc]

Has anyone tried putting a larger that 120Gb drive into a Snap 2000? I was reading the specs of the new Snap Appliance devices, and the 4200 model can provide up to 640Gb. If the 4X00 series devices still have 4 drives, then that would be 160Gb drives, ie larger than 120Gb. I am wondering if the SnapOS v4 provides this capability. If I installed SnapOS v4, could I install 2x 300Gb drives? (aside from the heat problem pointed out by deadsenator). I would love to give it a go, but I don't want to shell out the $99 just to find out that it doesn't work.

I'm running the latest version of OSv3 and all it sees on a 160 is 130. Other than that, it initializes the drives just fine. I have some 2000s with a slightly higher bios version and may try putting them in one of those to see if it makes a difference.

I have no plans to put out for OSv4, so I can't say if that will do it.

[OzDave]

Just as an FYI, I did try installing OSv4 and my Snap Server 2000 is now dead.
I installed with the Assist software. It finished the first upgrade file, then it reported that the upgrade was complete, but there was a problem. It can not reconnect to the server.
Looking at the server, I saw that both the power light and the link light were on solid, and the Disk light flashing very quickly.
When trying to reconnect to the drive, I saw the Net light flash, but it failed to connect. Assist also failed to find the server. I rebooted the drive. I noticed when I turned the power off, the server turned off straight away (normally, it went through some shutdown process). After the reboot, same situation occured, ie solid power and link light and rapid flashing of the drive light. Watching the server, I noticed that the drive light would turn off after while, then it would start the rapid flashing again. Leaving the server running for a while, I saw that it rebooted it's self. The server then returned to the same state.

All I can recommend to those who were thinking of upgrading:
DON"T UPGRADE TO SNAP OS v4

[bqute2004]

I'm running the latest version of OSv3 and all it sees on a 160 is 130. Other than that, it initializes the drives just fine. I have some 2000s with a slightly higher bios version and may try putting them in one of those to see if it makes a difference.

I have no plans to put out for OSv4, so I can't say if that will do it.

Here some info which might interest you. There is a drive limitation on all OS which are = or smaller the OS3.4.803. to a Ca 120 GB. OS 4 will increase this limit but apparently not on older servers. You need to have a new bois version. I'm not sure if you can flash it but if not you are stuck to your currant limitation. I'm still in the process to research the issue but will keep you posted once I have more info.

Ps. As far as I know old model like the 2000 and 4000 are not supported anymore so no joy on this end.

[otoc]

Here some info which might interest you. There is a drive limitation on all OS which are = or smaller the OS3.4.803. to a Ca 120 GB. OS 4 will increase this limit but apparently not on older servers. You need to have a new bois version. I'm not sure if you can flash it but if not you are stuck to your currant limitation. I'm still in the process to research the issue but will keep you posted once I have more info.

Ps. As far as I know old model like the 2000 and 4000 are not supported anymore so no joy on this end.

I've never seen a bios posted on the support site. I'm running six 2000's (all hardware version 2's--different than the article Joe posted) which have 2 different bios versions all told. Come to think about it, I've never found a way to do a file dump of the bios either.

Thanks for the info, give a yell if you find something.

Here's what I've found.

A 2000 can be told it's a 4000(for raid 5 with 4 drives) just as this thread mentions the 1000 to 2000 upgrade. The internal powersupply, while piddling, seems to run the four 7200rpm maxtors I've been testing with just fine. The HWrev2 2000's use pc100 dimms which show a speed improvement (slight) when upgraded to 256MB from the stock 64MB when benching file copies.

Pretty neat, it doesn't all fit in the case (next project before I electrocute the family cat), but it works. It's not a speed demon, for these things never showed anything but a speed downgrade when using any of the raid features over jbod, but it makes for a cheap and safe stand alone file server running raid 5.

Another experience I've had is no problems running 7200rpm maxtors in the standard 2 drive snap2000 housing from heat related issues. Just have to blow out the cpu fan every now and then as it gets pretty gummed up. hmmm. water cooling on a snap?

Now if we can find a way to get these out of pio mode through the old changes made to freebsd, we be screaming.

[cyrusuncc]

it is possible to break free of the 137 GB limit of LBA 48. The xbox used to have the same problem that the snap server seems to be having too. I'm not saying it would be easy because the xbox scene has a lot more attention then the snap server scene :)

it would require a complete re-write of the snap server's bios, plus a way to load it. For those who are interested, here's how they did it on the xbox.

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=97997&hl=lba48

[Hackie]

Does somebody have a disk image of the os area of an original disk? i accidentally mixed up the two disks :cry:

thanks

[cyrusuncc]

Does somebody have a disk image of the os area of an original disk? i accidentally mixed up the two disks :cry:

thanks

what version snap server you got?

[musicgreg]

I just installed four 250gig maxtor drives in my snap 4100 and upgraded to OSv4.0.830(US) and the drives formatted fine, but they are only being seen as 128,470meg each. I am running bios version 2.4.437. Is there anyone that has had any luck yet getting up over the 137gig limit?

[briansblair]

I think I have found a use for the 16GB Snap 2000 that had a hard drive failure last year!

I have an extra 120GB Western Digital w/8MB cache that I could stick in the Snap, but from reading this thread it seems like that drive might be a bit overkill due to the hardware limitations of the older Snap Servers. Would it be better to just buy 2 - 5400 rpm drives with capacities less than 137GB?

[Hackie]

Does somebody have a disk image of the os area of an original disk?what version snap server you got?
i have a snap server 1000 and lost the "magic data" in the beginning of the disk...

[cyrusuncc]

i have a snap server 1000 and lost the "magic data" in the beginning of the disk...

well, i'm about to upgrade my snap 1000 to a larger drive, so i can keep a copy of the image for you. Let me know how you'd prefer transfer it.

[spliffstar]

I just installed four 250gig maxtor drives in my snap 4100 and upgraded to OSv4.0.830(US) and the drives formatted fine, but they are only being seen as 128,470meg each. I am running bios version 2.4.437. Is there anyone that has had any luck yet getting up over the 137gig limit?

I'm currently in that same situation I have installed (4) 200GB Maxtor drives
in my 4100 originally a 240GB model and its reading all drive at 128-130.
with SNAP Version 4

I think its a bios thing because the 2200 supports higher drive capacity for example they have 2x250 configured model.

I been doing some research and it seems that the system will need to be "Flup"
a term they use to upgrade the bios. I'm researching to see how I can perform this.

If I had a box to play with I would load the Guardian OS to see what it does on a 4100. lol

Anyone with any suggestion regarding this issue me and musicgreg has please inform us.

Thanks

[rbt]

Hi,

I've read the whole thread but can't find any links to webpages containing "leaked" software upgrades or custom Java applications. Are the any pages of this sort out there? Almost any other hardware has this.

I have a Snap 1000 (found it as a "leftover" from work last week)
Original disk (haven't filled it up yet, will change for a 80 if I do find some cool apps for this snap)
Thinking about a hardware mod of the 40mm fan. Changing it to one from Papst 17dbA :) Have anyone done this or any other modifications like this that they want to share info about?

As I sad, I found the hardware, just the box, had to buy a power supply. So I don't have any "standard" software for it, but from what I have found, this isn't free software from the manufacturers site either, with I find strange.

Regards
/rbt

[jimeu]

can anyone share instructions on how to open the snap 1000 ? after I remove the bottom cap it is hard to take out the inner metallic case plus the on/off button sticks through the plastic case.

I have a snap1000 with a 30GB and want to upgrade it with a 120GB drive.

jaime

[rbt]

can anyone share instructions on how to open the snap 1000 ? after I remove the bottom cap it is hard to take out the inner metallic case plus the on/off button sticks through the plastic case.

I have a snap1000 with a 30GB and want to upgrade it with a 120GB drive.

jaime

It shouldn't be too hard to open the casing.

1. Remove the 4 screws in the rubber feet’s
2. Hold the device in your lap and press the plastic cover out on the sides, then try to shake the metallic box loose by shaking up and down. Flip the snap over so you can se the bottom and check that all the plastic clips are out of there sockets. If not, help the one needing attention, and flip it around to get some help from gravitation while you shake it up and down :)
3. While/after the plastic cover is coming of check for the little plastic bit that deliver the lights to the front. (Saves an assembly if you have it in place)
4. If not already lose, open the lid of the box, it doesn't require any screwing and was very loose on my device.

Regards
/rbt

[parisoft]

Does somebody have a disk image of the os area of an original disk? i accidentally mixed up the two disks :cry:

thanks

I have the same one ploblema. if it finds the mmagine snap1000 you send it to me. thanks

[basmul]

Hi!

I tried two of the methods described in the thread with my Snap 1000.
Both from dos 1 with ghost and 1 with some downloaded cloneutil, Sector by sector copy. Upgrading from 40G to 120G
New disk is a maxtor.

When i reattach the cloned drive All it does is blink the powerlight twice in succession all the time and the harddiskled is constant orange.

I can't access the snap server from my network (not even a ping)

Does anyone have any suggestions/solutions/comment

Help is highly appreciated since my original quantum harddisk of the snapserver starts making more noise by the day an I fear it's going to crash soon.

Greets,
Bas

[HLouie]

Hi

I'm wondering if any Snap 4100 users could take some pictures and measurements of the mounting bracket for the hard drive.
I've fixed up a dead Snap 4100, with cpu and memory, but it's missing the hard drive mounting bracket. Maybe I could build one or have them made.

Thank-you
Herman Louie
hlouie@hotmail.com

[rbt]

I have now upgraded (?) my Snap 1000 with a 8GB drive from my 40GB, just for a test. Worked very well, I didn't strap the disk to master at first, but after that all I did was a "config devices format 10000 /reinit" from http://snapserver/config/debug . After the reboot, the disk was formatted automatically.

The way I did it was by copying the first 50000 blocks of the original disk.
This was done with "clone-n-recover" from www.e-mart.com/www that someone spoke about earlier in this thread. (Expert options, sector copy.)

Then I wanted to backup the data to file, and I had to make that by booting a slackware Linux installation CD, mounting a fat partition, and dd the first 50000 blocks from the snap disk.

If you guys still haven't got an image of the "boot" area of the disk, PM me for it.

regards
/rbt

[OzDave]

I'm currently in that same situation I have installed (4) 200GB Maxtor drives
in my 4100 originally a 240GB model and its reading all drive at 128-130.
with SNAP Version 4

I think its a bios thing because the 2200 supports higher drive capacity for example they have 2x250 configured model.

I been doing some research and it seems that the system will need to be "Flup"
a term they use to upgrade the bios. I'm researching to see how I can perform this.

If I had a box to play with I would load the Guardian OS to see what it does on a 4100. lol

Anyone with any suggestion regarding this issue me and musicgreg has please inform us.

Thanks
I thought that I would add an update to larger than 137Gb support in older Snap Servers.
I was able to upgrade two other Snap Server 2000 machines (Merridan BIOS:1.1.0 and Quantum BIOS:2.0.180) with SNAP Version 4. (My original snap server 2000 is still dead.) I tried a 300gb drive in both of them. Both of them recognized the drive as a 300gb drive, however, neither of them could format it. The Merridan failed around 30%, and checking the log, it had a couple of write errors, and stopped. The Quantum did not stop, it tried to format the entire drive, with - I believe - every sector being tried, and every sector above the 137Gb failing.

[geneius]

Just upgraded my 2200 from two 80s to two SeaGate 120s. I downloaded DigitalDolly (like the cloned sheep, not porn related!) from download.com and did a raw copy on both drives. DigitalDolly is linux based on a bootable CD-ROM and worked like a charm, took a couple of hours though.

Anyway, at first the 2200 saw the drive as only 80 then I did the reformat dev /reinit command and voila!

OS is v3+ and so is the BIOS. I have another 2200 with a v4.0 os and 3..4 bios and may try it on a 160G drive.

Thanks all for your other posts, it really helped.

Oh, for the person who had a failed 2200 at RAID 0 (striped array), I had the same issue. Here's what I'm doing:

1. Find out which drive failed.
2. Find the exact drive (mine's a Maxtor D540X0-4K, P/N: MX4K080H4 that I found at driveguys.com for $79) to replace it.
3. Raw copy it
4. swap it in and try it out. - the SnapServer should do a disk scan a boot.

I'm still waiting for my drive to come in so I can't tell you if it worked yet or not. However, I did try to recover the data using my two 120s to bypass the 'frozen' scandisk procedure and it completed. The only hiccup was that the RAID 0 was looking for a particular cylinder set on the drive, and...well, the 120 is much different that the 80. So, in theory, getting the same exact drive should work. One more thing: not all 80G drives are the same, get the EXACT one to be safe... :shrug:

**UPDATE**
(5/25/04) - All did not go well. The SnapServer keeps attempting to fix the disk but would give me a error: "File System Check : FSCK fatal error = 15 " and "File System Check : Cylinder group 4044: bad magic number" then it unmounts the drives. :mad: When cloning the drive earlier it did show numerous errors, so it's probably missing vital info that it needs to 'stripe' correctly. I'm still trying. If anyone can give some advice, it is welcomed.

[INT 20h]

Greetings,
I opened up my Snap 1000 server today to see just what was inside. :D When I pulled the hard drive, I found what looks like a second IDE connection. Do any of you know if this is indeed a second IDE channel? If it is, does this mean I could put in up to four hard drives? I know the case won't be able to handle that many. I also found that the fan inside does not come on when the server powers up. Is this a thermally controlled fan like inside of a notebook (comes on when the temp reaches a certain point)?

I also have a Snap 2000 server that is running fine. I've downloaded all of the software for both servers. I upgraded the 1000 to SnapOS 3.4.803. The Java framework did not install with the upgrade. I have a copy of it for the 2000. Can I install the version I downloaded for the 2000 on the 1000? I didn't see it listed on the 1000's downloads section.

I think that covers the questions I have for now. Thanks for any help/suggestions you can provide.
Cheers,
R

[geneius]

I also have a Snap 2000 server that is running fine. I've downloaded all of the software for both servers. I upgraded the 1000 to SnapOS 3.4.803. The Java framework did not install with the upgrade. I have a copy of it for the 2000. Can I install the version I downloaded for the 2000 on the 1000? I didn't see it listed on the 1000's downloads section.
R

Actually, someone 'tricked' the 1000 to be a 2000 just by unlocking the BIOS and giving it a command. Check one of the past posts in this thread and you should find it.

[jmcable]

I have a Snap 1000 series server with 3.4.805 OS and 3.1.1 hardware and 2.1.364 Bios. The drive came with a 30 Gig Quantum HD. I purchased a 300 Gig Maxtor HD and I had success in installing it as a second drive.

I replaced the IDE cable that was in the unit with a standard 40 pin dual connector ribbon cable. I then got an extra P/S I had around and connected both drives external to the case. I set the 30 Gig to Master and the 300 Gig to Slave. When I turned on the Snap server all the lights flickerd on and off and then I noticed the Disk LED started flickering and did not stop. Druing this time I could not web into the Snap server nor could I use Snap Assist application to see the Snap server. I was hoping during this time the drive was automatically getting formatted. I was correct. After about 10 minutes the Drive LED stopped and I noticed I now could see the Sanp Server from the Assist app and I could also web into it. I went to view Disk Status from the web interface and I noticed that the new Maxtor drive showed up as a 300 Gig drive. I was very surprised. After reading this forum I thought for sure it would not recognize more than 120Gig.

The next step is to copy the contents of the 30Gig to my 300Gig and see if I can boot up with just the 300 Gig. :D

[cycology]

I just got a Snap Server 1100 from work. We think it dumped the HD, so my boss let me take it home to tinker with it. I landed an 80G HD for it, but not sure how to do the swap, seems just dropping it in doesn't work - and now I have a dilemma...

Seems I may have tossed the original drive, and now I'm reading that I needed to copy some stuff off it to make the new one work? Maybe I read wrong, If not, is there a way to make the new HD work?

I've got the user CD that came with the Snap, as well as the IP for its web tools stuff as well as a disk w/ DataKeeper stuff on it.

I'm running Mac OS X.3 on my other machines, and although I'm not proficient w/ UNIX, I do have access to it if I need it (seems I read something about using the "dd" command somewhere.

Anyway, I'd like to make this thing work if at all possible - sure would be a great addition to the SOHO network!

Any help and advice greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

-c

[KAO]

The fix to my Snap upgrade was not in the size of the drives, but the speed. My 2000 would recognize anything up to ATA100, but not above. That one went from a pair of 8 gigs to a pair of 80s if I recall. My server did not recognize a pair of 120 gig maxtors in ATA133, but got along well with a pair of 80 gig western digitals in ATA100 fine.

If anyone has information on the cpu fan in a snap 2000, I need one urgently. Please email me Pete@Ricksplumbing.com if you know of an aftermarket drop in or an oem retailer.

[otoc]

http://www.alltronics.com/fans.htm has a 40mm 5vt assembly

http://2cooltek.safeshopper.com/69/cat69.htm?958 has 5vt 40mm

no idea if these will fit w/o modding.

http://www.mouser.com/catalog/618/1114.pdf for 5 and 12vt chipset coolers (caution high prices)

The fan is on a temp sensor and will only run when required, it cycles on and off by design. The first time I opened one, I thought the darn thing was dead. I pull them every so often to blow out the dust and lube the bushings. Just a thought.

You might want to check the OS version you are running, I have no problem with maxtors with ATA133 other than the snap runs pio and not ata it seems. Did you start with a freshly low level formatted drive? Curious...

[wren337]

This forum has been great, there aren't a lot of Snap resources out there.

I picked up a Snap 4000 2U server on Ebay with no drives in it. I couldn't get my browser attached to it since it had been config'd to a custom IP address and had a changed admin password. The tech guides from the snap appliance site show how to reset the server to the factory defaults by booting with the reset pin depressed. When I first read it I assumed "reset all factory defaults" would clear the IP address and SU password but you have to do all of the reset steps, they are each seperate.

Once I got into the console I didn't have any trouble getting everything working. I tested it out with a 40GB western digital drive I had laying around, then I dropped in 4 120GB Hitachi 180GXP drives. It formatted them out and created the RAID partition over them in about 6 hours (I think, I went to bed).

Pretty sweet overall, I got about 25Mb/sec write speed and 50Mb/sec read speed at 100bT with a crossover cable. Over 802.11b I can stream audio/video to several systems at once no problem.

[yvette176]

here's the results from my snap 4000 upgrade:

the log showing the 24h19m process that took four maxtor maxlineII 300gb drives and formatted them into an 842Gb raid5 array is attached, and the "view disk status" display showing the 842Gb raid5 array is also attached. before allocating them to the raid5 array they showed as a 1.2Tb JBOD, which was quite cool.

pertinent 4000 info:

bios 2.0.252
os 3.4.805(us)
h/w 2.0.1

notable events:

--> the process took a weekend, between the experimenting with the correct cabling options (use cable select when you jumper the drives!!!), the "do i need to copy the first 50,000 disk sectors from the old drive 0x10000 or is the image in flash?" analysis, et al.
--> do not try to use assist to reload the image - the opsys in flash memory will drop itself down onto the new array just fine.
--> after the first reboot, it only saw two drives. i formatted those and rebooted again, and it found all four on the next reboot.
--> before you start the process, make sure you have turned off the option "auto-correct disk errors at startup"; otherwise, it will run the "check" option on each new drive, which takes forever.
--> be sure to mark which old drive is which ("front top, front bottom, etc.) before you forget, in case you have to go back to the old drive setup for some reason.

i'm not sure why the bios+h/w+os combo above accepted the 300Gb drives with no issues - maybe i'm lucky. if you encounter problems, maybe try putting the old drives back in, use assist to install 3.4.805 (and bios 2.0.252, if possible) and try again.

total cost, not including the 4000: about $1000, not bad for a 1.2Tb server!

oh yes - i couldn't get the raid5 allocation process to run in 64mb. i dropped in 256mb and it ran much better. fwiw.

now - only three more to go! <groan>
yvette

[wren337]

1.2TB, that rocks. What are you going to be doing with them all?

I really went out of my way tio get 120Gb drives based on some other posts, I regret not trying 160's now. 360Gb is ok for now but I expect to fill it in a year or two easily.

here's the results from my snap 4000 upgrade:

the log showing the 24h19m process that took four maxtor maxlineII 300gb drives and formatted them into an 842Gb raid5 array is attached, and the "view disk status" display showing the 842Gb raid5 array is also attached. before allocating them to the raid5 array they showed as a 1.2Tb JBOD, which was quite cool.

pertinent 4000 info:

bios 2.0.252
os 3.4.805(us)
h/w 2.0.1

notable events:

--> the process took a weekend, between the experimenting with the correct cabling options (use cable select when you jumper the drives!!!), the "do i need to copy the first 50,000 disk sectors from the old drive 0x10000 or is the image in flash?" analysis, et al.
--> do not try to use assist to reload the image - the opsys in flash memory will drop itself down onto the new array just fine.
--> after the first reboot, it only saw two drives. i formatted those and rebooted again, and it found all four on the next reboot.
--> before you start the process, make sure you have turned off the option "auto-correct disk errors at startup"; otherwise, it will run the "check" option on each new drive, which takes forever.
--> be sure to mark which old drive is which ("front top, front bottom, etc.) before you forget, in case you have to go back to the old drive setup for some reason.

i'm not sure why the bios+h/w+os combo above accepted the 300Gb drives with no issues - maybe i'm lucky. if you encounter problems, maybe try putting the old drives back in, use assist to install 3.4.805 (and bios 2.0.252, if possible) and try again.

total cost, not including the 4000: about $1000, not bad for a 1.2Tb server!

oh yes - i couldn't get the raid5 allocation process to run in 64mb. i dropped in 256mb and it ran much better. fwiw.

now - only three more to go! <groan>
yvette

[jezzer]

My 2000 has:
bios 2.0.252
os 3.4.803

This does not allow >132Gb, and I would certainly like to be able to expand a bit beyond this size (I have 2x160GB giving about 129Gb formatted).

Does the .805 Bios make all the difference. If so, it does not seem to be listed as available for the 2000 despite registering the product with SnapAppliance to get downloads.

Any ideas?
Jezzer

[wren337]

I would not expect the minor revision in OS to make a difference in that. It is more likely a hardware limitation in your snap server. You might be able to look at the screening on the chips if they are exposed and use the brand/model numbers to look up specs for the IDE chipset.

My 2000 has:
bios 2.0.252
os 3.4.803

This does not allow >132Gb, and I would certainly like to be able to expand a bit beyond this size (I have 2x160GB giving about 129Gb formatted).

Does the .805 Bios make all the difference. If so, it does not seem to be listed as available for the 2000 despite registering the product with SnapAppliance to get downloads.

Any ideas?
Jezzer

[OzDave]

I have two Snap 2000:
Snap1
Sw: 4.0.830
Hw: 1.1.0
BIOS: 1.2.180
Snap2
Sw: 4.0.830
Hw: 2.0.0
BIOS: 2.0.282

I have tried to installed drives greater than 132Gb (300Gb) into both of these devices, and it fails. In Snap1, it failed to format, in Snap2 it formated, but had errors. With the errors on the drive on Snap2, it would try to correct them on boot, and boot would fail.

[OzDave]

I installed new fans into my Snap 2000s. I wanted quiet ones. I installed these ones:
http://www.quietpc.ca/acb/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Product_ID=163&CATID=34
My servers are in a room that is cool, so I believe that it is safe to install fans with a lower cfm than what was installed. I did have to cut the connector of the old fans and solder them onto the new fans as the fans in the Snap had connectors.
The new fans are _much_ quiter than the ones that the server came with.

http://www.alltronics.com/fans.htm has a 40mm 5vt assembly

http://2cooltek.safeshopper.com/69/cat69.htm?958 has 5vt 40mm

no idea if these will fit w/o modding.

http://www.mouser.com/catalog/618/1114.pdf for 5 and 12vt chipset coolers (caution high prices)

The fan is on a temp sensor and will only run when required, it cycles on and off by design. The first time I opened one, I thought the darn thing was dead. I pull them every so often to blow out the dust and lube the bushings. Just a thought.

You might want to check the OS version you are running, I have no problem with maxtors with ATA133 other than the snap runs pio and not ata it seems. Did you start with a freshly low level formatted drive? Curious...

[cyrusuncc]

ok, i have a snap 1000 upgraded to a 120 gb

my question is how can i utilize 2 drives? do i have to "trick" it into thinking its a 2000 first?
do the two drives need to be on the same cable or different ones?

what jumper settings are needed on both drives?

thanks

[jimeu]

can anyone share a "dd" for dummies instructions ?
I have no unix experience.

I got a FreeBSD machine that I can use, and have the FreeBSD bootable drive as the primary drive, and attahced the old 30GB HD as the secondary primary and the new 120GB HD as the secondary slave.

With this in mind, what would be the command to clone our use the dd command.
if you can share a complete dummy experience I will greatly appreciate.

pd. also how to mount the drives so that the dd command will recognize the command and execute correctly.

thanks a million

Jaime

[Marvin_pa]

My Snap 1000 has just booted up with a new 120gb replacement unit in it, thanks to the great work of those gone before. However a few little gotcha's that I came across that might be of interest.

I used DOS rather than Linux. I started by trying the Diskpro software available at http://www.e-mart.com/www however the original drive had a number of bad sector's and Diskpro didn't seem to like that. I then tried Dolly, which worked a treat.

Dolly has changed location to http://sac-ftp.externet.hu/utildisk6.html and the zip file includes a txt manual which is worth a read. My steps to success were -

1. Create a Win9x boot disk and copy dolly.exe to it.
2. Set up my 2 HDD's on the same IDD channel
3. Make the original 40gb HDD as master and the new 120gb HDD as slave
4. Boot from your diskette.
5. Check the BIOS to ensure it can see both HDD's.
6. Run a:\Dolly xhd128: xhd129:
7. Wait HOURS till you're back at the a:\ prompt
8. Set the jumpers on the 120gb HDD back to master and reinstall to the Snap housing
9. Boot up and "find" the IP address using the Assist program (if you're running DHCP)
10. Browse (http) to http://ipaddress/config/debug
11. Type in the command box - config devices info
12. You should get a reply on the device # 1000
13. Again type in the command box - config devices format 10000 /reinit
14. Reboot and wait till the new drive has been formatted
15. Bingo ! a nice big Snap drive :-)

Now to consolidate the data and sell the spares ;-)

Cheers guys !

[jimeu]

In between your steps 8 & 9
my snap goes to formating... and I have stoped it after about 4 hours,guessing that something was wrong., so I am back to the forum.

-How long will this process take ? and I should wait whatever (the new HD is 120 GB)
- After all that waiting, I should run the reinit command, it will go at it again and have to do the long waiting again ??

- Since we cann't browse to the snap when the formating or the reinit commands were issued, is there any other way we can monitor the process ?

thank you.


1. Create a Win9x boot disk and copy dolly.exe to it.
2. Set up my 2 HDD's on the same IDD channel
3. Make the original 40gb HDD as master and the new 120gb HDD as slave
4. Boot from your diskette.
5. Check the BIOS to ensure it can see both HDD's.
6. Run a:\Dolly xhd128: xhd129:
7. Wait HOURS till you're back at the a:\ prompt
8. Set the jumpers on the 120gb HDD back to master and reinstall to the Snap housing
9. Boot up and "find" the IP address using the Assist program (if you're running DHCP)
10. Browse (http) to http://ipaddress/config/debug
11. Type in the command box - config devices info
12. You should get a reply on the device # 1000
13. Again type in the command box - config devices format 10000 /reinit
14. Reboot and wait till the new drive has been formatted
15. Bingo ! a nice big Snap drive :-)

[Marvin_pa]

jimeu -

If your cloning of the original disk went ok then you *should* have the private/hidden OS in the first couple of partitions. When you boot the Snap, it should be able to access those. The Snap will still think the HDD is the same size as the original (mine thought it was only 40gb) so will boot up ok, but not "see" the whole disk size.

Step's 10 onwards "forces" the Snap to recalulate the size and it only shows up after a reboot. In the process of rebooting it needs to format the whole drive, so does take a little while, but not more than an hour (well mine didn't). I was able to http to the Snap and watch the reformatting process - about as fun as watching paint dry !

The really time consuming part for me was the "dolly" copy - hours - I means hours !

Once that was done I was sorted :-)

Perhaps give it another go, it's worth the effort.

Cheers,

[jimeu]

Yes,
I can make a copy of the original drive with Dolly without problems.
it took about 80 minutes to do the cloning, even though the original drive is empty, I deleted all files and reformated on the snap, before the cloning to minimize the time on cloning and rechecking.

I then install the new 120Gb on the snap1000 and it does boot up and I can see the drive. with status OK in green. Assist can find it and I am able to browse.

my problem is that after this point.

I visit snap/config/debug/
and enter: "config devices info"
I can see that the server has recognized the drive as a 30Gb and its device 10000.

I then enter "config devices format 10000 /reinit"
and it prompts for me to reboot
so I enter "reboot" on the command prompt.

The drive goes into formating mode (two blinks on the system and orange steady on the Disk) and for more than 24 hours it has been at this.

Usually when you format or check the drive, even though the drive is offline, you can still browse the snapserver web page, and I know it is boring to see the progress... but you are able to see it.

When I issue the command and for those 24 hours, I am unable to ping or to browse the snap to check on progress.... so at least I know it is doing something.

Any ideas / suggestions on how to proceed from here...??
its a Maxtor diamondplus9 120GB ATA 100

Thank you again for your help.

[shch]

My 2000 has:
bios 2.0.252
os 3.4.803

This does not allow >132Gb, and I would certainly like to be able to expand a bit beyond this size (I have 2x160GB giving about 129Gb formatted).

Does the .805 Bios make all the difference. If so, it does not seem to be listed as available for the 2000 despite registering the product with SnapAppliance to get downloads.

Any ideas?
Jezzer

In my Snap2000(former 1000) soft4.0.830 hardw3.1.2 bios2.1.366 I have two 200GB ATA100 WesternDigitals. They show up as two 190GB after -reinit. I would upgrade the system and try to -reinit disks. And I think I got bios update with the system4.

[shch]

Yes,
I can make a copy of the original drive with Dolly without problems.
it took about 80 minutes to do the cloning, even though the original drive is empty, I deleted all files and reformated on the snap, before the cloning to minimize the time on cloning and rechecking.

I then install the new 120Gb on the snap1000 and it does boot up and I can see the drive. with status OK in green. Assist can find it and I am able to browse.

my problem is that after this point.

I visit snap/config/debug/
and enter: "config devices info"
I can see that the server has recognized the drive as a 30Gb and its device 10000.

I then enter "config devices format 10000 /reinit"
and it prompts for me to reboot
so I enter "reboot" on the command prompt.

The drive goes into formating mode (two blinks on the system and orange steady on the Disk) and for more than 24 hours it has been at this.

Usually when you format or check the drive, even though the drive is offline, you can still browse the snapserver web page, and I know it is boring to see the progress... but you are able to see it.

When I issue the command and for those 24 hours, I am unable to ping or to browse the snap to check on progress.... so at least I know it is doing something.

Any ideas / suggestions on how to proceed from here...??
its a Maxtor diamondplus9 120GB ATA 100

Thank you again for your help.

I suspect that you have DiamondMax Plus9 disk and it is ATA133. If it is so it will not work in your Snap1000, I had chance to experiment on my system. But I was able to use WD200JB instead.

[jimeu]

Hi shch,

The Maxtor diamondmax plus 9, has printed on the HD as being ATA 133.

I was convinced that it was a ATA100 since this is what the PC where I was clonning the drive displayed for the drive.

Please tell me what is the biggest drive i can jam on the snapserver 1000 for a single disk operation and what is the ATA that I should get.

but it is weird that the 120 GB will work thinking its a 30GB but I can't expand it.
so maybe if we can get our hands on the image of a 120GB my 120GB ATA 133 will work ?

thank you.


I suspect that you have DiamondMax Plus9 disk and it is ATA133. If it is so it will not work in your Snap1000, I had chance to experiment on my system. But I was able to use WD200JB instead.

[shch]

Hi shch,

The Maxtor diamondmax plus 9, has printed on the HD as being ATA 133.

I was convinced that it was a ATA100 since this is what the PC where I was clonning the drive displayed for the drive.

Please tell me what is the biggest drive i can jam on the snapserver 1000 for a single disk operation and what is the ATA that I should get.

but it is weird that the 120 GB will work thinking its a 30GB but I can't expand it.
so maybe if we can get our hands on the image of a 120GB my 120GB ATA 133 will work ?

thank you.

I can only talk from my experience with Snap1000 20gb. The biggest HD I was able to use successfully were two WD200JBs (did not have anything bigger than that on hands). Maxtor 200gb ATA133 did not work. Non of ATA133 disks worked.
I can not explain why your 120gb clonned into 30gb disk booted up but freezed on reinit. My ATA133s would not boot up at all. Different bios or system?

[HLouie]

Questions, what's the largest drive I could install in the 4100 and has any upgraded this model to SnapOS v4?

Software: 3.4.803 (US)
Hardware: 2.2.1
Bios: 2.4.437
Framework: 1.2
VM 14.3

Thank-you

[itsmeagain]

got snap 1100 today ( new ) took case off and upgraded to 120 gig


used jisk jockey (www.icoffice.co.uk)jisk jockey info) to copy drive then run hd format though web broser works fine

with ata 133 hard drive will try 200 gig drive next ( disk jockey only takes about 1 hour to clone 120 gig drive . :evilaugh: :evilaugh:

[itsmeagain]

yes used my disk jockey and cloned to 200 gb ata133 maxtor and formated lovely just remember to change jumper to cable select .

i followed the earlier post
I visit snap/config/debug/
and enter: "config devices info"
I can see that the server has recognized the drive as a 30Gb and its device 10000.

I then enter "config devices format 10000 /reinit"
and it prompts for me to reboot
so I enter "reboot" on the command prompt.


very happy bunnie now :) :)

[itsmeagain]

:evilaugh: swapped out 80 gig drive upgraded to 200g maxtor ata 133 ( set to master for this upgrade

worked great

had 120 ata133 maxtor swapped out ide lead to double ide ata 66

changed 2nd drive setting to slave

now got over 300 g


( note 120 drive clone from orginal 80 gig drive ) :dome:

[WirelessDJ]

I have two Snap server 2000's -- they are great!!

I hacked them to work with 2 - 100gb drives and the other with 2-120gb drives

QUESTIONS:

1. Has anyone gone above the 137gb barrier with a Snap 2000 server??
2. Does the OS4 allow larger drives?
3. Both of my CPU fans are SHOT. where can you get the exact same fan (that sits inside the heatsink?

WirelessDJ

I have a snap server 2000 with two 100gb drives (200gb) for sale
email me if interested before i put it on ebay :dome:

[jgantes]

Well, it sounds like everyone with a 2000 series snap is having the same problem. My CPU fan died recently and started making funky noises. It won't even spin up now, but is that because it has a built-in temp sensor on it?

It appears to be a 40mm fan, but i can't find one thin enough to replace it :-/ Some people said they used a 50mm fan in this article. Is that thin enough or even the right size?

I called Snap and they were no help of course.

Just let me know if anyone finds anything!

Thanks.

[HLouie]

To 2000 User

The company is INDEK Corporation http://www.indek.com

*information is not on there website because the item is discontuined, but there in stock
*408-522-1515
*Part Number SC050406BH5

It's a funny looking fan, the heat sink is gluded to the CPU and molded around the fan assembly. The fan is just fins and a thin square plastic support. It's for a 486 CPU.

[jgantes]

Thank you so much! Will follow up with this and try it out!

Thanks again, this forum has been great!

To 2000 User

The company is INDEK Corporation http://www.indek.com

*information is not on there website because the item is discontuined, but there in stock
*408-522-1515
*Part Number SC050406BH5

It's a funny looking fan, the heat sink is gluded to the CPU and molded around the fan assembly. The fan is just fins and a thin square plastic support. It's for a 486 CPU.

[norm2k]

you can easily remove this limit by upgrading to snapos 4.
let me know if you need help with os 4
;) ;) ;)
:evilaugh: :evilaugh: :evilaugh:

[norm2k]

Questions, what's the largest drive I could install in the 4100 and has any upgraded this model to SnapOS v4?

Software: 3.4.803 (US)
Hardware: 2.2.1
Bios: 2.4.437
Framework: 1.2
VM 14.3

Thank-you


i upgraded a 2000 to os4 and i put my 200gb drive in there, did a reinit and it was all good. let me know if you need help with the os update files

[HLouie]

That sound cool. Could you post you BIOS information, like below

*4100 series
Software: 3.4.803 (US)
Hardware: 2.2.1
Bios: 2.4.437
Framework: 1.2
VM: 14.3
*2000 series
Software:3.4.803 (US)
Hardware: 2.0.0
BIOS: 2.0.282
Famework:1.2
VM: 14.3

I have a 2000 and a 4100. This weekend I'm going to try a Samsung 160gb, 8meg buffer, ATA133 drive with OS 3.4.803 I heard there is a OS 3.4.805 then maybe V4.

I see the image you posted they is a intersting command "IDE". Could that be new in OS4. 3.2.804 does not have that command.

For the cost of 99US per unit and with so little additional functions. What's the point!!!

Does the new OS fix directory sorting? (see Atteched Image) Looking at the image you see the directory sorting problem. You see how the Z and 321 is not sorted at the top. When I contact Snap about whats wrong, "Thats the way Unix/Linux works" But when I look at it on my network and ftp is sorted right. I know it's and web page, but could it sort in an assending order.

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3469&stc=1

[papasmurf]

Does anyone know where I can find info about installing another OS other than SnapOS (Linux?) onto my Dell PV 705n (Snap 4000)? I'm not about to pay their exorbitant pricing for a compatibility upgrade just to get SnapOS 4. Thanks.

[musicgreg]

you can easily remove this limit by upgrading to snapos 4.
let me know if you need help with os 4


Really? I upgraded to snapOS 4 on my 4100 and there is still a 137gig limit... I wonder where my mistake is. When I called snap the dude said that if we upgraded the drives it wouldn;t see more than that per drive.

[HLouie]

Could you post your BISO information from you Snap Server

[norm2k]

after doing all updates found on snap's webpage and upgrading to snapos 4 i easily got it to see my 200gb hd. it sees it as ~181 just like in a PC. :drool:
here are some screen cap.
btw, after i put the server in update mode using /config/update i still wasn't able to update the bios or the hardware. i am very confused. i guess if it aint broke, don't fix it!

and no i still get things listed out of order.

let me know if you need anymore help.
:eek:

[OzDave]

after doing all updates found on snap's webpage and upgrading to snapos 4 i easily got it to see my 200gb hd. it sees it as ~181 just like in a PC. :drool:
here are some screen cap.
btw, after i put the server in update mode using /config/update i still wasn't able to update the bios or the hardware. i am very confused. i guess if it aint broke, don't fix it!

and no i still get things listed out of order.

let me know if you need anymore help.
:eek:

Norm2K, I have also tried to upgrade my Snap 2000 with OSv4 and a 300gb drive and I had no success. See my previous posts. I initially thought that it might be a BIOS issue. My Snap 2000s are BIOS 1.2.180 and BIOS 2.0.282. However, I see that your BIOS is older. This makes me think now that it's a drive issue. I tried installing Maxtor MaxLine II (5A300J00816R4). It does say on the drive that it's ATA/133 HDD. I remember seeing an issue with ATA/133 drives.
Can you post the details of the drives you installed.
Thanks.

[cyrusuncc]

can anyone share a "dd" for dummies instructions ?
I have no unix experience.

I got a FreeBSD machine that I can use, and have the FreeBSD bootable drive as the primary drive, and attahced the old 30GB HD as the secondary primary and the new 120GB HD as the secondary slave.

With this in mind, what would be the command to clone our use the dd command.
if you can share a complete dummy experience I will greatly appreciate.

pd. also how to mount the drives so that the dd command will recognize the command and execute correctly.

thanks a million

Jaime

----------------------------
Linux DD for Dummies
----------------------------

it took this dummy a few hours to figure this out, so i'm here to spread the wealth!

ok, i'm sure freebsd uses the same command, but i use Knoppix bootable linux cd distribution (www.knoppix.com). You can just boot linux off a cd, and not mess with your current os. Knoppix ROCKS!

Setup both disks on IDE-0 (primary). Have the original disk as master, the new larger disk as slave.

1. Boot into Linux
2. Open command/terminal window
3. Type "sudo su" - this makes you root user, giving access to disks.
4. Type "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb"
5. Wait a few hours, and your done! Its cloned!

------------
| Notes: |
------------
if for whatever reason, your hard drives are on a different configuration....

hda = primary ide, master
hdb = primary ide, slave
hdc = secondary ide, master
hdd = secondary ide, slave

if=input disk (original)
of=output disk (spiffy new drive)

so if your original disk was secondary slave, and the new disk was primary slave:
dd if=/dev/hdd of=/dev/hdb

also, after typing "sudo su", it makes you the root account. this allows access to all disks attached to the system, even if linux hasn't mounted it. You won't see the disks on the desktop, but you can still use the dd command.

Hope this helps. Let me know if it works out for you.

[jgantes]

Well after quite a bit of hunting and contacting over FOUR vendors and speaking with snap... I found a place that had OLD 486 CPU fans for $6.00 that fit my snap just about perfectly! So thanks for all the help, but according to vendors and distributors, the fan is discontinued for the old 2000 series.

ANOTHER QUESTION though.... I am running v.3.4 -- is there any newer version out that might have more features and work on my old unit?

Thanks

[norm2k]

Norm2K, I have also tried to upgrade my Snap 2000 with OSv4 and a 300gb drive and I had no success. See my previous posts. I initially thought that it might be a BIOS issue. My Snap 2000s are BIOS 1.2.180 and BIOS 2.0.282. However, I see that your BIOS is older. This makes me think now that it's a drive issue. I tried installing Maxtor MaxLine II (5A300J00816R4). It does say on the drive that it's ATA/133 HDD. I remember seeing an issue with ATA/133 drives.
Can you post the details of the drives you installed.
Thanks.


I am using a Seagate 200gb cheetah drive. Currently I have only one drive until i can get my hands on another one (now only ~$100 if i buy bare oem) and make a 400GB array. let me know if you need an exact model number.

[jgantes]

I am using a Seagate 200gb cheetah drive. Currently I have only one drive until i can get my hands on another one (now only ~$100 if i buy bare oem) and make a 400GB array. let me know if you need an exact model number.

Is there anyway to get ahold of OS v4.x w/o paying for it if you unit is old? Hopefully this version resumes downloads via ftp.

[OzDave]

I am using a Seagate 200gb cheetah drive. Currently I have only one drive until i can get my hands on another one (now only ~$100 if i buy bare oem) and make a 400GB array. let me know if you need an exact model number.
I looked up Seagate Cheetah drives, and they seem to be either SCSI or Fibre Channel (?). Is it possible that you have a 200gb retail kit, ie:
http://www.seagate.com/products/retail/uata/index.html
I noticed that all of these drives are ATA/100.
If this is the case, I suspect that the problem with my 300gb is that they are ATA/133.

[norm2k]

I looked up Seagate Cheetah drives, and they seem to be either SCSI or Fibre Channel (?). Is it possible that you have a 200gb retail kit, ie:
http://www.seagate.com/products/retail/uata/index.html
I noticed that all of these drives are ATA/100.
If this is the case, I suspect that the problem with my 300gb is that they are ATA/133.


yeah, sorry. i was thinking about work when i wrote that. i got a barracuda :confused:
anyways, i think it was ata 100 and it is 200BG i got it from tigerdirect and it is working very nicely. any other questions let me know

[cyrusuncc]

anyone know the quick dd command in linux that will only pull say, the first 8 megs of the hd into an image?

also, how much data needs to be pulled from the snap 1000? i know the whole disk is not required.

i know that this will make an image of the whole disk, but i just need the first part.. for backup purposes.

dd if=/dev/hda of=/tmp/snap.img

[HLouie]

BACKUP YOUR DATA BEFORE DOING ANYTHING, IT MIGHT TAKE HOURS, JUST DO IT

2000 series

Existing information
Software:3.4.803 (US)
Hardware: 2.0.0
BIOS: 2.0.282
Famework:1.2
VM: 14.3
BIOS and FIRMWARE update if available / Reset Snap Server to “FACTORY DEFAULTS” settings
Remove existing HD / Installed 160gb / Drive started formatting automatically / 130gb limit
Debug / reinit http://www.snapappliance.com/images/default/Support/SG_Web/resource/English/4100_diskdrive.pdf / 130gb limit
Installed OS4 :eek:
Software:4.0.803 (US)
Hardware: 2.0.0
BIOS: 2.0.282
Famework:1.2
VM: 14.3
Debug / reinit / 130gb limit
Debug / “ide 48bitLBACounter reset” / “ide 48bitLBACounter get” result “1”
Debug / reinit / 160gb the size of the HD
CONCULUSION – WORKS with OS4, the 128gb limit is changed :) . You have to use the ide command. I'm sure I could go higher, I’ll try a different drive later.


4100 series
Existing information
Software: 3.4.803 (US)
Hardware: 2.2.1
Bios: 2.4.437
Framework: 1.2
VM: 14.3
BIOS and FIRMWARE update if available / 4100 NONE http://snap.broaddaylight.com/snap/dml_fetch.pl?CompanyID=692&ContentID=8367&FaqID=7773&word=bios%0D%0A&faq_template=http://snap.broaddaylight.com/snap/searchfaq.shtm&topic=8&back_refr=http://snap.broaddaylight.com/snap/&topicname=SnapOS&Id=&Instance=&Shared= / Reset Snap Server to “FACTORY DEFAULTS” settings
Remove existing HD / Installed 160gb / Drive started formatting automatically / 130gb limit
Debug / reinit http://www.snapappliance.com/images/default/Support/SG_Web/resource/English/4100_diskdrive.pdf / 130gb limit
Installed OS4 :eek:
Software: 4.0.803 (US)
Hardware: 2.2.1
Bios: 2.4.437
Framework: 1.2
VM: 14.3
Debug / reinit / 130gb limit
Debug / “ide 48bitLBACounter reset” / “ide 48bitLBACounter get” result “0”
Debug / reinit / 130gb limit
Tried using Snap 2000 drive / No go, does not recognize format
CONCULUSION – as point out by OzDave maybe a combination of hard drive and bios, we should post the hard drive type we’re using. Norm2k use a command “ide 48bitLBACounter” will show you if the drive is compatible to the Snap Server. Stuck a 130gb limit with the Snap 4100 :cry: . I’ll try a different drive later.


Harddrive used is a Samsung SpinPoint 160gb / 8meg / 7200 / ATA133

OzDave. (You could be right, HD & BIOS)
Norm2k. (Thank for the tips, IDE COMMAND)
Musicgreg. (Thanks for the help, TIPS ;))

[musicgreg]

I still face the 137gig barrier. Here is my bios info:

PIC Version 1.0, Capibilities 0x00
Failsafe Bios Exists
Failsafe v2.4.437.FS Tue Aug 15 15:23:18 2000

Bios stamp 2.4.437 Tue Aug 15 15:23:15 2000

Plat Bytes 2.2.1

Model Byte 2

Failsafe: -------------------------------L
Flash failsafe sector not locked(30)

--HLouie you're welcome :)

[MarcoP]

After reading the forum I've replaced the original four 30GB Quantum HD with 160 and 300 GB Maxtor drives on Snap Server 4000 with success :D .

Info about my system:

Model: 4000 series
Software: 3.4.803 (US)
Hardware: 2.0.1
BIOS: 2.0.252

I was lucky to download the software version 3.4.805 when was avaiable on Snap Appliance site. Now, as you know, there is only v.3.4.803 :mad: .
Apparently the only difference between the two versions is the 48 bit hd support with the IDE command.

The following is what I did:

1. Replaced original disks with:
IDE 1 Master Maxtor D540X.4G 160GB 5400RPM U133 4G160J8
IDE 1 Slave Maxtor Diamond Max 16 160GB 5400RPM U133 4R160L0
IDE 2 Master Maxtor Maxline II 300GB 5400RPM U133 5G300J0
IDE 2 Slave Maxtor Maxline II 300GB 5400RPM U133 5G300J0

2. After reboot they were formatted automatically with the 130GB limit

3. Software update to 3.4.805 (UK) release.

4. After reboot on snapname/config/debug page the commands:

a. config devices info
to see the drives partition number:
10000 for drive 0 IDE
10008 for drive 1 IDE
10010 for drive 2 IDE
10018 for drive 3 IDE

b. ide 48bitLBACounter reset
to fix the 130GB limit.

c. config devices format 10000 /reinit
to format the first drive.

d. config devices format 10008 /reinit
to format the second drive.

e. config devices format 10010 /reinit
to format the third drive.

f. config devices format 10018 /reinit
to format the fourth drive.

g. reboot
to reboot the Snap Server.

5. After reboot they were formatted automatically without the 130GB limit with this
results (15-20 min):

160 GB Drives: Size (KB): 160086016; Size Formatted (KB): 156656120
300 GB Drives: Size (KB): 292969984; Size Formatted (KB): 287224624


Conclusion: the subrelease 3.4.805, that was removed from Snap site, must be installed to solve the 130GB limit without buying the very expensive version 4.

I hope this will help.

Thanks to Yvette and Norm2k for tips.

PS: Any tips to find v4 at more reasonable price :drool: .

MarcoP

[OzDave]

Thanks HLouie.
I have already upgraded my Snaps to OSv4. Do you think I should downgrade them to 3 to follow your steps, or could I just install a larger capacity drive and try the 'ide 48bitLBACounter reset' ?
As I mentioned here:
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showpost.php?p=109804&postcount=96
When I installed the drives with OSv4, formatting failed.

[HLouie]

Thanks HLouie.
I have already upgraded my Snaps to OSv4. Do you think I should downgrade them to 3 to follow your steps, or could I just install a larger capacity drive and try the 'ide 48bitLBACounter reset' ?
As I mentioned here:
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showpost.php?p=109804&postcount=96
When I installed the drives with OSv4, formatting failed.

Now were talking about you Snap 2000 not the 4000 or 41000. Did you try the "ide 48bitLBACounter get" to see your results. If the results come back "0" then you stuck, I don't think you could format that drive. By my last test Snap 4100 did not work but the Snap 2000 did.

With you Quantum Snap 2000 there should be no problems, but you Merridan Snap 2000 thats an unknown.

MarcoP wrote that the 4000 did go above the 130 limit. I'm going to try out the Maxtor drive soon.

[norm2k]

BACKUP YOUR DATA BEFORE DOING ANYTHING, IT MIGHT TAKE HOURS, JUST DO IT

2000 series

Existing information
Software:3.4.803 (US)
Hardware: 2.0.0
BIOS: 2.0.282
Famework:1.2
VM: 14.3
BIOS and FIRMWARE update if available / Reset Snap Server to “FACTORY DEFAULTS” settings
Remove existing HD / Installed 160gb / Drive started formatting automatically / 130gb limit
Debug / reinit http://www.snapappliance.com/images/default/Support/SG_Web/resource/English/4100_diskdrive.pdf / 130gb limit
Installed OS4 :eek:
Software:4.0.803 (US)
Hardware: 2.0.0
BIOS: 2.0.282
Famework:1.2
VM: 14.3
Debug / reinit / 130gb limit
Debug / “ide 48bitLBACounter reset” / “ide 48bitLBACounter get” result “1”
Debug / reinit / 160gb the size of the HD
CONCULUSION – WORKS with OS4, the 128gb limit is changed :) . You have to use the ide command. I'm sure I could go higher, I’ll try a different drive later.


4100 series
Existing information
Software: 3.4.803 (US)
Hardware: 2.2.1
Bios: 2.4.437
Framework: 1.2
VM: 14.3
BIOS and FIRMWARE update if available / 4100 NONE http://snap.broaddaylight.com/snap/dml_fetch.pl?CompanyID=692&ContentID=8367&FaqID=7773&word=bios%0D%0A&faq_template=http://snap.broaddaylight.com/snap/searchfaq.shtm&topic=8&back_refr=http://snap.broaddaylight.com/snap/&topicname=SnapOS&Id=&Instance=&Shared= / Reset Snap Server to “FACTORY DEFAULTS” settings
Remove existing HD / Installed 160gb / Drive started formatting automatically / 130gb limit
Debug / reinit http://www.snapappliance.com/images/default/Support/SG_Web/resource/English/4100_diskdrive.pdf / 130gb limit
Installed OS4 :eek:
Software: 4.0.803 (US)
Hardware: 2.2.1
Bios: 2.4.437
Framework: 1.2
VM: 14.3
Debug / reinit / 130gb limit
Debug / “ide 48bitLBACounter reset” / “ide 48bitLBACounter get” result “0”
Debug / reinit / 130gb limit
Tried using Snap 2000 drive / No go, does not recognize format
CONCULUSION – as point out by OzDave maybe a combination of hard drive and bios, we should post the hard drive type we’re using. Norm2k use a command “ide 48bitLBACounter” will show you if the drive is compatible to the Snap Server. Stuck a 130gb limit with the Snap 4100 :cry: . I’ll try a different drive later.


Harddrive used is a Samsung SpinPoint 160gb / 8meg / 7200 / ATA133

OzDave. (You could be right, HD & BIOS)
Norm2k. (Thank for the tips, IDE COMMAND)
Musicgreg. (Thanks for the help, TIPS ;))


i forgot to say the ide command. that is what did it for me.
you beat me to it, i was gonna write the same thing. :cry:
anyways, follow these steps and it should work. it worked for this guy and it worked for me (I got a 200gb)
good luck

[jgantes]

i forgot to say the ide command. that is what did it for me.
you beat me to it, i was gonna write the same thing. :cry:
anyways, follow these steps and it should work. it worked for this guy and it worked for me (I got a 200gb)
good luck

How do you even get to the command? I was contemplating the 0S4 upgrade, but it sounds costly. It doesn't even solve the problem of sorting on the web interface or resume of downloads on FTP.

[norm2k]

How do you even get to the command? I was contemplating the 0S4 upgrade, but it sounds costly. It doesn't even solve the problem of sorting on the web interface or resume of downloads on FTP.


http://yourserver/config/debug

there you will get a window that allows you to type commands
you can type "?" and get a list of commands

you are right, still no sorting on web interface or resumes

fyi
you go to http://yourserver/config/update to put your server in update mode
has anyone been able to update there server using this method? it just times out for me.

[OzDave]

Now were talking about you Snap 2000 not the 4000 or 41000. Did you try the "ide 48bitLBACounter get" to see your results. If the results come back "0" then you stuck, I don't think you could format that drive. By my last test Snap 4100 did not work but the Snap 2000 did.

With you Quantum Snap 2000 there should be no problems, but you Merridan Snap 2000 thats an unknown.

MarcoP wrote that the 4000 did go above the 130 limit. I'm going to try out the Maxtor drive soon.

I tried a Maxtor 300gb (5A300J0) in my Merridan Snap. Configuration:
BIOS: 1.2.180
Hardware: 1.1.0
Software: 4.0.830

1. I set the jumpers so that it appears as a 32GB drive.
1a. Snap formated it as 32Gb all ok.
2. Removed jumper
3. Debug / “ide 48bitLBACounter reset” / “ide 48bitLBACounter get” result “0”
4. Debug / reinit
5. Format failed, see below.
6. “ide 48bitLBACounter get” result “3"

I think my BIOS/hardware is too old for greater than 137gb.

08/01/2004 12:40:55 25 I D01 | File System : Warning: 80 sectors in last cylinder unallocated
08/01/2004 12:40:55 25 I D01 | File System : /dev/ride1a: 582804400 sectors in 569145 cylinders of 16 tracks, 64 sectors
08/01/2004 12:40:55 25 I D01 | File System : 284572MB in 35572 cyl groups (16 c/g, 8MB/g, 768 i/g)
08/01/2004 12:52:32 25 D SYS | DISK: req=0x3FBD78 dev=0xC0001 fn=2 blk=0x100010D0 sts=7
08/01/2004 12:52:52 25 D SYS | DISK: req=0x3FBD78 dev=0xC0001 fn=2 blk=0x100010D0 sts=7
08/01/2004 12:52:52 25 D SYS | DISK: req=0x3FBD78 dev=0x80001 fn=2 blk=0x100010D0 sts=7
08/01/2004 12:52:52 25 E D[80070008] | Disk Driver : Cannot Write Device 80070008 Block 265306240
08/01/2004 12:52:52 25 W D01 | File System : Cannot Write: Blk 265306240
08/01/2004 12:52:52 25 W D01 | File System : _mkfs_WriteBlock - Undefined internal error
08/01/2004 12:52:52 25 W D01 | File System : mkfs failed!!! Error = 5
08/01/2004 12:52:52 25 W L02 | File System : Format terminated unsuccessfully

[jimeu]

Finally I got my old 30GB Snap 1000 to a 120GB (WD)

Thanks for the help on this forum, so it is my turn to post a few mistakes / findings on my own.

1.- Use a ATA 100 harddrive
my first atempts were with an ATA 133, Even though it rebooted as a 30GB after cloning (using DOLLY), when issuing the /reinit command, the appliance will not do the job.... The format operation took about 10 hours, and I simply stoped it... and you don't have access to the http://server/config/ pages to track the formating.

The weird part is that the ATA 133 120GB will work great as a slave of the original 30Gb... ? (replacing the cables of course) but I couldn't find a suitable casing for this.

2. Timing
Cloning with DOLLY from 30Gb to 120GB took about 1.5 hours
Formating / Restarting the new 120 GB takes a lot more time that I was used to with the 30GB

3. what to do with the old drive ?
Keep it in a safe place...Since the valuable partition data still on this, you will need it to rebuild a new drive on the appliance in the future, unless we figure how to store this info on an image file.

jimeu

[rbt]

Finally I got my old 30GB Snap 1000 to a 120GB (WD)

3. what to do with the old drive ?
Keep it in a safe place...Since the valuable partition data still on this, you will need it to rebuild a new drive on the appliance in the future, unless we figure how to store this info on an image file.

jimeu

I have posted information on how to backup the data from the original disk in this thread before.

/rbt

[OzDave]

I tried a Maxtor 300gb (5A300J0) in my Merridan Snap. Configuration:
BIOS: 1.2.180
Hardware: 1.1.0
Software: 4.0.830

1. I set the jumpers so that it appears as a 32GB drive.
1a. Snap formated it as 32Gb all ok.
2. Removed jumper
3. Debug / “ide 48bitLBACounter reset” / “ide 48bitLBACounter get” result “0”
4. Debug / reinit
5. Format failed, see below.
6. “ide 48bitLBACounter get” result “3"

I think my BIOS/hardware is too old for greater than 137gb.


Configuration:
BIOS: 2.0.282
Hardware: 2.0.0
Software: 4.0.830

Upgrade successful following the same steps as above, this time step 5 worked. Changed from 2x120gb to 2x300gb Maxtor drives.

[ticklemeozmo]

::VERIFIED::

Snap Server 4000

BIOS: 2.0.282
Hardware: 2.0.0
Software: 4.0.830
Drives: Maxtor 4x300GB (5A300J0) 5400RPM
RAID: 5
RAM: 128MB

No need to "ide 48bitLBACounter reset", just put them in and the first time it recognized and started formatting right away. 23 hours and 56 mins later (thanks for the warning on time yvette) I was speed testing after the RAID was built. [Note: A watched RAID never formats...]

Read: ~4.6MB/sec
Write: ~3.2MB/sec

Translated, the read speed is about 36mbits a second and DVDs play at around 4 to 9 mbits a second. I leave the math as an excercise to the reader.

[Bit Image]

How can I get OS 4 without paying $$$ for it?

[227]

I have a snap server 1100, the hard disk has crashed and does not turn anymore, so i got myself a new seagate exact harddisk and installed it, the system and disk lights are flashing together and this thing will not come up. I have tried the dhcp and assist tool but no luck. I have been reading on this forum and understand that I need some boot files first on the new hard disk. Does anyone have these files? Please help

[Bit Image]

These directions worked for me perfectly!!!

1. Create a Win9x boot disk and copy dolly.exe to it.
2. Set up my 2 HDD's on the same IDD channel
3. Make the original 40gb HDD as master and the new 120gb HDD as slave
4. Boot from your diskette.
5. Check the BIOS to ensure it can see both HDD's.
6. Run a:\Dolly xhd128: xhd129:
7. Wait HOURS till you're back at the a:\ prompt
8. Set the jumpers on the 120gb HDD back to master and reinstall to the Snap housing
9. Boot up and "find" the IP address using the Assist program (if you're running DHCP)
10. Browse (http) to http://ipaddress/config/debug
11. Type in the command box - config devices info
12. You should get a reply on the device # 1000
13. Again type in the command box - config devices format 10000 /reinit
14. Reboot and wait till the new drive has been formatted
15. Bingo ! a nice big Snap drive :-)


What is the BEST 120GB drive to buy??? One that is 5400RPM ATA 100 and Fluid bearings????

[227]

I cannot really put the original disk in my snapserver as it is useless as it has stopped turning completely and its damaged. I need to get that image that originally came with the 40GB hard disk. The snap server 1100 boot images are split up into two halves one one the hardddisk and the other half on the Chip, this device will never bootup until it can construct the two images together and boot from it. Does anyone have a snap server 1100? OR an image for the hard disk?

[whitestick]

I have posted information on how to backup the data from the original disk in this thread before.

/rbt
As I must have missed the original post that your refer to, and trying a search on your name on all open threads, I cannot find that information, could you please post it again. Specifically how to create an image of the needed partition and image boot data required to procure a virgin disk and be able to format and configure it to put into the Snap server (preferablly 1000), and be able to boot up, and do all the cool things referenced in this forum. Not just the data, as that can be backed up, but the boot information, which is apparently the critical part.
TIA

[stty0]

Cool thread. I have just (cough, cough) upgraded 2 SNAP 4100's to SnapOS 4. When I go to /config/debug and do: info nvram, I get the following on both:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NFS: ENABLED
HTTP: ENABLED
Telnet remote console: DISABLED (0)
RCP server: DISABLED (0)
BOOTP server: DISABLED
HTTPd Port: 80
SMTP Port: 25
SCSI Termination: INTERNAL, external devices illegal.
Protocol Daemons: 160
Raid Cache: 0
Raid Threads: 0
Current Code Page: 437 = US English
File System FSync: ENABLED
FileSystem Full Alert: 90%
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What looks very interesting is the "Telnet remote console" part. Do these snaps have some sort of telnet server? I have not seen anything in the help/docs/debug to suggest this. Maybe its a hidden feature? Anyone ........? the thought of being able to telnet into these snaps has my mouth watering ....... :p

[nadiazipper]

I just upgraded a snap 1000 from a 40Gb to a 120Gb and found what I feel is an easy way to do it:
1. go to http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ and get the free ISO
2. connect your old drive as master and new drive as slave.
3. boot using ultimate boot cd and use the clone tool to copy old HD to new HD
4. install new HD, go to http://yourserver/config/debug and paste the command "config devices format 10000 /reinit".
5 Reboot

Once rebooted the drive will reformat and the correct sive will be available.

[whitestick]

I'm not a programmer, but there is a tool at the Tivo hacking site http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36974 called mfsbackup and mfsrestore, that appears to take semi-propriatery partition and data information and copy it to a compressed file, that could then be burned to an iso image, for later de-compression to another hard drive. From the discussions, it seems to act like dolly, but provides an extra step to compress to a smaller size for interim storage. Reportedly a 15GB hard drive goes down to 150 Mb or so. If someone has the original harddrive, that might be a solution to the need for retention, and restoral of the Snap image.
One group helping another?

[whitestick]

well, i'm about to upgrade my snap 1000 to a larger drive, so i can keep a copy of the image for you. Let me know how you'd prefer transfer it.

Could you please send me a copy as well. You can email me if you want to cover any costs you may have.
Thanks so much :p

[re3dyb0y]

I have just bought snap os v4 for a snap server 2200, i can either pass on a link or email people the files for it. i believe this would work on other snap servers, but i dont know which other versions. Reply here or email me, and ill try to help!!

[re3dyb0y]

From ringing tech support they told me that the file system for the 2200 is XFS, i know red hat linux cant read it, but mandrake can.

My idea - If the OS is on the hds on the newer models (i believe it is mirrored on both for security), take one of the drives, put it in a pc and use drive image or partition magic to copy the whole drives to the larger ones

[re3dyb0y]

On my Snap 2200 160gb, there are 2 ide channels (1 drive on each), so what would i have to do to replace the failed drive? I just want to replace the broken 80gb with a new one, i dont want to increase the space.

The power supply had failed, then someone bought a cheapie replacement and blew the capacitors, so im waiting for a new psu and mobo from the USA. One drive still works, but the other stopped when i tried to use it in my pc, it started clunking...

[re3dyb0y]

For my snap server 2200 160gb, i believe that the os is mirrored on both hard drives, i have read this somewhere, but dont know where, so i will have to dig this out. However, the os may still be on the motherboard, as a download of SnapOS v4 is 50mb, so that would be a big flash chip. However on this newer board, there are 2 ide slots, rather than the one. One of my hard drives have failed on it, so do you think i can connect the working one to the mobo, to channel 1, and a new identical to channel 2? And have the drive upload the data. My other suggestion is, that if the Os is on the HD, if you put it into a normal pc, and use drive image or partition magic to duplicate the hd (this may work to a much larger drive) you can get round this. Also the new snap os v4 gives the full capability of a ftp server!

I have taken a picture of the original board from when the snap server was bought, 5 capacitors have been burnt out, and it doesn't work. This board was a replacement for the original that was supplied, as supposedly Snap Appliance had found a problem with the original board (i think a bad batch), and a free replacement was issued. The only noticable differences were that the replacement (pictured) had a rev A 70700221-001 chip, and had NEC memory modules instead of samsung i believe. The original had copyright of 2001 Snap Appliance, Inc, and the replacement had 2001 Quantum Corporation. There is a chip with the AMD logo on it, however im sure i read it somewhere it was mirrored on both of the hard drives. This version seems like a much simplified version of yours, with an external PSU, rather than the internal yours has, but yours was a 1100? The file system of the 2200 is XFS (this info came from Snap Appliance tech. support).

I have managed to order a replacement board from snap appliance for 150$, which seems cheap when they are over $1000 for the 320gb and even more for the 500gb. I can take a picture of that when it arrives, if you would like. I assume this board would be for the 500 and 320 and therefore highly upgradable.

If it has 2 ide channels rather than one, would i still need to put them both on the same channel to get it to be formatted?

[nadiazipper]

Has anyone tried to upgrade a 1000 beyond the 120 drive. I was wondering if it was possible if I upgraded to OS 4. Any thoughts?

[stty0]

For what its worth, if you are trying to insert a new drive and have it mirrored, it would go on a different IDE channel. I.E. drive 1 is master on one IDEchannel1, then drive 2 is installed as master one IDEchannel2.

For my snap server 2200 160gb, i believe that the os is mirrored on both hard drives, i have read this somewhere, but dont know where, so i will have to dig this out. However, the os may still be on the motherboard, as a download of SnapOS v4 is 50mb, so that would be a big flash chip. However on this newer board, there are 2 ide slots, rather than the one. One of my hard drives have failed on it, so do you think i can connect the working one to the mobo, to channel 1, and a new identical to channel 2? And have the drive upload the data. My other suggestion is, that if the Os is on the HD, if you put it into a normal pc, and use drive image or partition magic to duplicate the hd (this may work to a much larger drive) you can get round this. Also the new snap os v4 gives the full capability of a ftp server!

I have taken a picture of the original board from when the snap server was bought, 5 capacitors have been burnt out, and it doesn't work. This board was a replacement for the original that was supplied, as supposedly Snap Appliance had found a problem with the original board (i think a bad batch), and a free replacement was issued. The only noticable differences were that the replacement (pictured) had a rev A 70700221-001 chip, and had NEC memory modules instead of samsung i believe. The original had copyright of 2001 Snap Appliance, Inc, and the replacement had 2001 Quantum Corporation. There is a chip with the AMD logo on it, however im sure i read it somewhere it was mirrored on both of the hard drives. This version seems like a much simplified version of yours, with an external PSU, rather than the internal yours has, but yours was a 1100? The file system of the 2200 is XFS (this info came from Snap Appliance tech. support).

I have managed to order a replacement board from snap appliance for 150$, which seems cheap when they are over $1000 for the 320gb and even more for the 500gb. I can take a picture of that when it arrives, if you would like. I assume this board would be for the 500 and 320 and therefore highly upgradable.

If it has 2 ide channels rather than one, would i still need to put them both on the same channel to get it to be formatted?

[re3dyb0y]

Hmm, on my snap 2200 there are 2 channels, but all the other people seem to have 1 (i may be wrong) so would i put the blank drive on the other channel, or get a double cable and stick it on there?

[re3dyb0y]

Taken from here

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=SNAP+server+2200&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3e4e1079%240%245549%24afc38c87%40news.optusne t.com.au&rnum=8

1/ Upgrade OS to Version 3

2/ Remove old drive(s)

3/ Install low speed, low heat drive(s) only (5400RPM, Fireball 3 or Diamond
Max 16) 40, 60, 80, 160 Gb.

4/ Restart Unit

5/ Enter via browser, read DRIVE STATUS as follows - Validating drive(s)
WAIT

7/ After drive validation do the following

8/ Reinstall OS Version 3 to have choice of Country settings

9/ Reinstall JVM Snap extensions

10/ Configure raid as required. (You may need to repeat 8 and 9 if you wipe
drives again).


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I suppose it wouldn't matter if you upgraded to snap os v4 at point 8.

[re3dyb0y]

Thanks stty0 that makes sense now, i didn't read it before

[re3dyb0y]

Has anyone tried to upgrade a 1000 beyond the 120 drive. I was wondering if it was possible if I upgraded to OS 4. Any thoughts?
Maybe, if you look on the snap appliance website, see what sizes they sell now, they will be on snap os v4, it may only be your hardware that limits you.

[re3dyb0y]

Here is a picture of a quatam snap server 2200 mobo. Please note the blown capacitors, thats the reason for black smoke coming from the case!!
http://www.geocities.com/sam_m_reed/SnapServer2200Mobo.jpg

It aint the best in the world, but it may help someone. As i noticed someone was asking before.

[re3dyb0y]

Finally, if you have a 4000 / 4100 (might be the same for the 2200 - but I haven't seeon one). Take the existing sim out - 64Mb, and replace it with the biggest one you have - ive had them running up to 512Mb. This will REALLY help disk performance as the OS sees this and uses it to increase the 'cache ramsize'.

No it isn't the same for a 2200, the ram is built into the board... :-(

[nadiazipper]

I see they make a snap 1100 as big as 250gb, does anyone know if there is any hardware differences between the 1000 and 1100 series?

[OzDave]

No it isn't the same for a 2200, the ram is built into the board... :-(
The old Snap 2000 models have it on a replaceable module. My old Meridian came with a 32Mb module. I updated it to a 64Mb module so that it could run the JVM easily. I haven't tried anything higher than 64Mb, but thinking about it, I would like to.

[re3dyb0y]

The Ram is 2 to the right from the intel cpu and are built onto the board for the 2200, and there are 2 on top and 2 beneath.

Thanks

Sam

[re3dyb0y]

Again if anyone wants snap os v4 (bought for 2200) ive been told it works on 2000,2200,1000,1100, i can email the file or give the link to the download site.

[seanwg]

Hi Guys,
I succesfully upgraded a Snap 1000 to 120gb; however, the performance just stinks.. I am seeing about 1.5 MB/s storage rate? Any ideas?

This with NFS , on Mac os X...

Even FTP'ing into the box, I'm seeing

227 Entering Passive Mode (10,0,1,99,4,6).
125 Data connection already open; transfer starting.
100% |*************************************| 20480 KB 1.71 MB/s 00:00 ETA
226 Closing data connection. Requested file action successful.
20971520 bytes sent in 00:11 (1.70 MB/s)
ftp>

Which, is just terrible?

[whitestick]

Without a lot more information about your particular setup, if is difficult to say if your performance is good or bad. If you are using a CAD 5 crossover cable between your Mac G5 and the Snap Server, with tuned windows for maximum size, running 100 mb full duplex, then yes your performance stinks. If you are on a typical network, with hubs or switches, running half duplex 10 mb ethernet, standard window size, long cable runs with non-certified CAD 4 cable, and occasional other random traffic present (think printers running Appletalk in the background), then your reported numbers are quite good. What are you comparing to, when you believe your throughput stinks. The real test, is how much are you willing to spend to gain a few extra seconds, and what is that worth in opportunity costs. Are you most likley to be typing text, and doing occasional saves, or are you doing intractive database searches that require hugh blocks of data to be send synchronously.
You may want to examine each inch of the path to determine where or if you want to make a change.

Hi Guys,
I succesfully upgraded a Snap 1000 to 120gb; however, the performance just stinks.. I am seeing about 1.5 MB/s storage rate? Any ideas?

This with NFS , on Mac os X...

Even FTP'ing into the box, I'm seeing

227 Entering Passive Mode (10,0,1,99,4,6).
125 Data connection already open; transfer starting.
100% |*************************************| 20480 KB 1.71 MB/s 00:00 ETA
226 Closing data connection. Requested file action successful.
20971520 bytes sent in 00:11 (1.70 MB/s)
ftp>

Which, is just terrible?

[re3dyb0y]

Will a maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 80gb work for a replacement for the broken D540X?

[speedygonzales]

Again if anyone wants snap os v4 (bought for 2200) ive been told it works on 2000,2200,1000,1100, i can email the file or give the link to the download site.

Yes please - I desperately need to upgrade my snap os from its present version

Model 4000 series
Software 3.4.803 (UK)
Hardware 2.0.1
BIOS 2.0.282

My understanding is that any OS above 3.4.803 might support drives over 120 gb limit, and I would like to use four 160 gb drives in there and use them to full capacity. :) I should hope SnapOS 4 or the new GuardianOS might also solve these problems?

I have successfully upgraded my snap 4000 with a single Samsung 160 gb Spinpoint drive (SP1604N) bought from Aldi @ a little over 60 gbp yesterday. Since the OS resides in the server itself, the snap simply went ahead and formatted it without problems automatically in about 10 minutes or so (unlike the Snap 1000 I once upgraded, which had the OS on disk and needed disk duplication with dolly disk copy before the upgrade worked). However, it only formats to 128 gb without making full use of the drive's full 160 gb capacity.

BTW After an attempt at repair the snap 4000, it came back with all the original drives set to master, so the system did not boot up properly and the RAID got totaly confused. You have to be careful with the jumper positions as the service manual states that the original drives it comes with may have different product codes:

70700042-002 on Quantum label
drive 10008 (top left set to slave)
drive 10000 (bottom left set to master)
drive 10018 (top right set to slave)
drive 10010 (bottom right set to master)

70700042-003 or higher on Quantum label
drive 10008 (top left set to cable select)
drive 10000 (bottom left set to cable select)
drive 10018 (top right set to cable select)
drive 10010 (bottom right set to cable select)

[re3dyb0y]

Ok, speedygonzales has used snap os v4 on his 4000 and it works.

[re3dyb0y]

Model Software Hardware BIOS
2000 series 3.4.790 (UK) 2.0.3 3.3.705

Is mine. Thats strange, it says 2200 on the box, but it says 2000 for model. Strange.. There was supposed to be a problem with that mobo, supposedly, will try the one i bought last week, and see what that comes up with.

I thought one hard drive was failed, so could this be why i get the picture below? I thought it was supposed to be Raid 1 ?

How come when i type the ip address in do i get the page first? The password that supposed to be admin dont work, could this be becuase the drive may have failed? I may try resetting the admin password, but i need to speak the network admin on monday. I thought you are supposed to get a full config list when you load the web browser on the ip address?

[speedygonzales]

Ok, speedygonzales has used snap os v4 on his 4000 and it works.

Now that my Snap 4000 has recognized the first Samsung 160gb, I have bought three more of the same, to make it a RAID5 4 disk system. Will put up a posting when it all works to let you kno.

This forum is great - able to solve some real problems, in particular thanks to poogles and others who have helped me out!

[simply]

hey!

Hi Guys,
I succesfully upgraded a Snap 1000 to 120gb; however, the performance just stinks.. I am seeing about 1.5 MB/s storage rate? Any ideas?

This with NFS , on Mac os X...

Even FTP'ing into the box, I'm seeing

227 Entering Passive Mode (10,0,1,99,4,6).
125 Data connection already open; transfer starting.
100% |*************************************| 20480 KB 1.71 MB/s 00:00 ETA
226 Closing data connection. Requested file action successful.
20971520 bytes sent in 00:11 (1.70 MB/s)
ftp>

Which, is just terrible?

Couldn't agree more!

XP shows me 15Mbit/s in Networkview if I copy to it over smb.
FTP gives me up to 2000kbyte/s

My Snap 1000 is connected to a 5-port Netgear switch at 100Mbit/s and
it's not so much traffic on that one. I get about 75% xfer rate copying to
my linux server over smb, connected to same switch...

Little bit dissapointed... expected at least around 50% rate....

/s

[johnny67]

I have a Snap 1100 that locked up one day and hasnt worked since. I powered the unit down and after that it would not power back up. The exteranl power supply for the unit is fine...I even tried one from another snap just in case. It was on a UPS unit and none of my other hardware seemed to have any power supply problems. I do have a small amount of electronic experience and had a look at the MB. I dont see any burnt components and as best I can tell all looks normal. Could it be that the BIOS on the MB has become corrupted somehow? And if so is there any way to restore/reset it? I have tried all of the normal reset procedures but this guy is deader then a door nail. Any suggestions would be great

[whitestick]

Got an original Quantum Snap 1000 unit with no drive, and thanks to many people on this forum, and going back and re-reading many times what has been previously written, and a generous sharing of the 1000 image and OS4.0 --- I now have a 30 GB primary drive in the main unit, a 160 ATA133 Western Digital drive in an external unit (reporting a 151 GB of available space on it), and a unit that thnks it is a Snap 2000 running OS4.0 and working fine. Just for spite, I even added a duplicate of the boot partition on the second drive, so if one crashes, I can use either drive to reboot with. Thanks Guys and Gals!!!! Won't bore you with rehashing the details, suffice it to say, upon careful re-reading and some expermentation, it does work. Wish the power supply was a bit better, but I'm happy with an external box to supply the power and a place to put the drive. Lesson learned, never throw anything away, no matter how old, as it always comes back as reusable. External case was an original external drive bay for a Radio Shack TRS80 (who still remembers those), but it was connected by a ribbon cable that is just right for this application.
Thanks again, and keep the faith.
:p :D

[speedygonzales]

Now that my Snap 4000 has recognized the first Samsung 160gb, I have bought three more of the same, to make it a RAID5 4 disk system. Will put up a posting when it all works to let you kno.

This forum is great - able to solve some real problems, in particular thanks to poogles and others who have helped me out!

OK bought three more drives at ALDI and now four 160gb samsung drives are humming away in an old snap 4000, with RAID5 formatted to full capacity (original configuration was 4 x 30 gb drives). Just watch out that cable select seems to do the better job as I failed with master-slave config.

It is a little slow with RAID 5 and the limited memory and the next step will be to upgrade the memory.

[simply]

Got an original Quantum Snap 1000 unit with no drive, and thanks to many people on this forum, and going back and re-reading many times what has been previously written, and a generous sharing of the 1000 image and OS4.0 --- I now have a 30 GB primary drive in the main unit, a 160 ATA133 Western Digital drive in an external unit (reporting a 151 GB of available space on it), and a unit that thnks it is a Snap 2000 running OS4.0 and working fine.
:p :D

Can you post the bios/hw/sw revisison specs from you system?
I've got a 1000 and from what I've read most of them can't handle
more than a 120GB drive!?

Model: 1000 series
SW: 3.0.566 (US)
HW: 3.1.1
BIOS: 2.1.364

tia
/andreas

[whitestick]

Sure thing.
Model 1000 series, although now it reports itself as a 2000 thanks to the patch posted earlier, which is why I suspect it can handle two drives.
Software 4.0.830 (US)
Hardware 3.1.2
Bios 2.1.366
Not sure, but I suspect the updates to the Bios came with the 4.0.830 Software.
You have to do the format /reinit thing, and let it format out (whick too about 45 minutes as I recall), to get it to recognize the new size, but it certainly does work. Now if I could just figure out how to make th etelnet work, or at least SSH, so I can maniipulate the filesystem directly. The Web browser (even with debug) and or Assist don't quite give enough visibility to do what I want to do.

Im thinking that if I increase the power of the external power supply, I can put the larger drive inside the case, and then add a second hard drive even larger. Oh yeak, the 160 MB drive is a 133 ATA, and 7200 RPM, so that blows away the ealier reports of not supporting that as well. It may have to do with the patch to make it think it is a 2000, that enables some of these features, I'm not sure. I didn't print out enough of the original config, before messing with it to upgrade it. The warning message claims that once you upgrade to OS 4.0, then you cannot go back, so I haven't tried to reinstall the older image, as that might mess things up a lot. Anyway, take it from me, it does work, at least with the rev level that I am at.

Can you post the bios/hw/sw revisison specs from you system?
I've got a 1000 and from what I've read most of them can't handle
more than a 120GB drive!?

Model: 1000 series
SW: 3.0.566 (US)
HW: 3.1.1
BIOS: 2.1.364

tia
/andreas :D

[arpsh]

Again if anyone wants snap os v4 (bought for 2200) ive been told it works on 2000,2200,1000,1100, i can email the file or give the link to the download site.

Yes please, if you can. I am struggling to get snap extensions installed on my SNAP 1000 (OS 3.4.803) and snap support are not a great deal of help - maybe an upgrade might do the trick. The browser upgrade and assist program just reject the sup file that snap support sent me, although I suspect they may have sent the wrong version!

BTW, this forum is the only place I've found on the web to get information about these devices so thanks to everyone for the info on here.

[re3dyb0y]

Sure thing.
Model 1000 series, although now it reports itself as a 2000 thanks to the patch posted earlier, which is why I suspect it can handle two drives.
Software 4.0.830 (US)
Hardware 3.1.2
Bios 2.1.366
Not sure, but I suspect the updates to the Bios came with the 4.0.830 Software.
You have to do the format /reinit thing, and let it format out (whick too about 45 minutes as I recall), to get it to recognize the new size, but it certainly does work. Now if I could just figure out how to make th etelnet work, or at least SSH, so I can maniipulate the filesystem directly. The Web browser (even with debug) and or Assist don't quite give enough visibility to do what I want to do.

Im thinking that if I increase the power of the external power supply, I can put the larger drive inside the case, and then add a second hard drive even larger. Oh yeak, the 160 MB drive is a 133 ATA, and 7200 RPM, so that blows away the ealier reports of not supporting that as well. It may have to do with the patch to make it think it is a 2000, that enables some of these features, I'm not sure. I didn't print out enough of the original config, before messing with it to upgrade it. The warning message claims that once you upgrade to OS 4.0, then you cannot go back, so I haven't tried to reinstall the older image, as that might mess things up a lot. Anyway, take it from me, it does work, at least with the rev level that I am at.

:D
Im thinking that if I increase the power of the external power supply, I can put the larger drive inside the case, and then add a second hard drive even larger.

For this, keep the voltage the same, but get one with higher watts and amps i believe would do the trick.

[re3dyb0y]

Ok, ive got access to the snap server, and its now mine... Muuhhhahhahaha ...

If in raid 1 both drives i think have the os on them. Anyway, the 'backup drive' has failed, though i dont think there is much differnce, or it wouldn't matter if you switched them round.

So if i was to get an 80gb replacement, which of the many ways would work on my snap 2200, even though it says 2000 for some strange reason (the mobo was supposedly a problem one) i will have to try the bought replacement.

Model Software Hardware BIOS
2000 series 3.4.790 (UK) 2.0.3 3.3.705

[snapuser]

I have just bought snap os v4 for a snap server 2200, i can either pass on a link or email people the files for it. i believe this would work on other snap servers, but i dont know which other versions. Reply here or email me, and ill try to help!!

I have sent you an e-mail regarding this issue...I hope you get it. :)

[drcolema]

I have just bought snap os v4 for a snap server 2200, i can either pass on a link or email people the files for it. i believe this would work on other snap servers, but i dont know which other versions. Reply here or email me, and ill try to help!!

I'd like to take you up on the os v4 offer. :drool: I recently purchased a 'previously owned' 4100 and it has an IBM 60GB drive that spins but the 4100 cannot see it so i'd like to take this time to get serious with some larger drives. You are too kind.
btw.. anyone have any suggestions to try to revive the dead drive? i swapped the cable and the problem stayed with the drive. great forum!! thanks.

DC

[re3dyb0y]

Ive just downloaded and installed snap extensions on my snap server. Anyone know anywhere i can get the download add-on files?

And how can i remove S2S, as i installed it by accident and have no key or need for it?

[arpsh]

Ive just downloaded and installed snap extensions on my snap server. Anyone know anywhere i can get the download add-on files?

And how can i remove S2S, as i installed it by accident and have no key or need for it?

How exactly did you get the extensions installed? The reason I ask is that they still refuse to work on my snap 1000 even after the os4 upgrade (BTW thanks for that :D ). I've tried using assist and the osupdate in the browser but to no avail - it says that the sup file is invalid for my platform. The JVM sup I've got is numbered as 40829 if memory serves me correct - it may be slightly older than the OS version? Alternatively, the snap extensions may not work on a 1000, but if that was the case you would have thought that SNAP technical support would have mentioned it when I phoned them!

On a different note, I upgraded the hard disk again yesterday, this time to a 120GB 7200 rpm ATA133 drive and it worked fine. I'm using a samsung spinpoint P80 with acoustic management enabled - it seems to be running cool and quiet at the moment. It wasn't something I was able to test out myself, but has anyone who failed to get an ATA133 drive working tried to:
a) downgrade it to ATA33 using the manufacturer's boot disk (I know my samsung gives me that option)
b) upgraded the OS? OS4 worked seamlessly for me.

Model: 1000
SW: 4.0.830
HW: 3.1.2
BIOS: 2.1.366

[jtoad]

As a lurker and new member, I am interested in the following: Is ti actually worth upgrading a SS1000 to OS4? Having used several of them at work, we always knew they weren't exactly speedy. Now that I've done the routine with a 120GB WD ATA100, it's certainly no speedier, and I can only imagine that OS4 will only slow me down. Am I wrong?

Having said that, I'd like to try it anyway. Certainly worth a try. Did someone say it was a one way trip?

One other mod I tried, interested in opinion. I cut the fan power leads off and crimped them under the 12V contacts on the HD power jumper. Runs 100% of the time, now I don't worry about thermistor calibration, although I will have dustier interior over time. I think the tradeoff is worth it...

One last ?: Is the dog-slow IDE interface all we can do? If I put an 80-conducter cable in place, would I magically get something reasonable? *sigh*... But all has been much fun so far.

Oh yeah, here's the specs
SS1000
SW: 3.4.803
HW: 3.1.2
BIOS: 2.1.366
HD: WD 120GB ATA100 7200 (but not exactly smokin...)

jth

[re3dyb0y]

On my snap 2200 i used the assist and just selected the snap_jvm_40829.sup and installed it. This was on V3.4, but on v4 it should work if your snap supports it.

[Bigbiff8]

Quote:
Originally Posted by poogles_uk
I have just bought snap os v4 for a snap server 2200, i can either pass on a link or email people the files for it. i believe this would work on other snap servers, but i dont know which other versions. Reply here or email me, and ill try to help!!


Could someone please give me a link to this Thanks

[jughead]

Recently upgraded a Quantum Snap 2000 from 2 x 30GB to 2 x 120GB WD 7200RPM drives. The upgrade was non-eventful. The unit was already running OS4.

I have since purchased an older Meridian unit (same case as 2000) and plan to upgrade it when it arrives. Here are a couple of notes (and questions)for those planning a similar upgrade:

- Expect the CPU fan to be dead. I used a thin 60MM CPU fan off of an old CPU heatsink and screwed it down to the factory heat sink fins. The stock fan connects to the mobo via a two-pin molex connector. I slid the plastic connector off of the motherboard side gently, exposing the two pins. Then I just pushed the three-pin connector on the fan side down on top of it. The yellow wire will just connect to nothing. So far the server log is not reporting any temperature problems.

-If you are considering upgrading your IDE cables to 80pin versions, make sure the plastic IDE connectors are as short as possible. The mobo and drive boards are sandwiched so close together, my tall 80pin connectors woudn't fit. So I'm running on the original cables for now.

-The Quantum Snap 2000 has a standard PC66/100/133 SDRAM dimm socket. So I took the opportunity while it was open to throw in a bigger DIMM (128MB). Apparently the older Meridian units use FPM ram. Does anyone know if you can swap EDO ram for FPM in the Meridian? Most old PC's allow this. I don't have any FPM anymore but I still have some EDO lying around.

The plan for the Meridian when it arrives:

1. Upgrade to OS4.
2. Try adding more memory.
3. 2 x 200GB drive upgrade.

Is there anything specific about the Meridian units that I need to be aware of?

[arpsh]

On my snap 2200 i used the assist and just selected the snap_jvm_40829.sup and installed it. This was on V3.4, but on v4 it should work if your snap supports it.

That's exactly what I tried on my 1000 but no joy - I think we can safely say that the 1000s don't support snap extensions (unless of course anyone out there knows different).

[whitestick]

That's exactly what I tried on my 1000 but no joy - I think we can safely say that the 1000s don't support snap extensions (unless of course anyone out there knows different).
Did you do the config/debug change to make the 1000 think that it is a 2000 first. I did that, my machine now reports that it is a 2000. I don't have the .sup software that you mentioned, so I can't try it, unless you want to send it to me, in which case I can try it for you. Or at least in the OS 4.03 software that I have, I can't find that java .sup software to upgrade it. I might have it, and just not know where to look. It's happend before.

[jughead]

The plan for the Meridian when it arrives:

1. Upgrade to OS4.
2. Try adding more memory.
3. 2 x 200GB drive upgrade.


The Meridian arrived today. It had a single 8.4GB drive in it and 32MB of FPM RAM. The CPU is an

AMD clone of a Pentium 75MHz. It has no heat sink or fan. There is only one IDE header on the

motherboard so to upgrade to two drives you must jumper them master/slave and use a single, longer

IDE cable (provided inside).

server number: 25xxx
hardware version: 1.1.0
BIOS version: 1.2.180

After verifying it was working, I began patching the server software. I attempted to perform BIOS upgrades using the UpdateBios.exe program. That apparently

ran to completion. I did not write down the BIOS version as it shipped, but it put me at the BIOS

rev shown above. I then tried to run updateSnap.exe and that konked out. My guess is that the

version of this program I was using was for hardware version 2.0.0 or higher.

Question: What was the last bios rev for hardware version 1.1.0 snap servers?

Next, I tried upgrading the SnapOS. First, I installed 3.4.803. No problems. Next I tried

installing 4.0.830. Part of the way through the upgrade the words "Unknown Error" appeared at the bottom left corner of the browser screen. After waiting a few minutes I hit the <OK> button and the version showed 4.0.830. No problems again. At this point I shut the thing down and pulled the hard drive, replacing it with two 40GB Seagate Barracuda V's I had lying around. Upon rebooting the server recognized the drives at full size and began formatting them. Then I installed the 4.0.830 help files. No problems. Then I tried installing the JVM. The system said the .sup file was not supported. I tried a couple of other JVM versions I had and got the same error.

Question: So am I right to conclude that the JVM will not run on Meridian snap servers?

I then tried again to update the BIOS. All that accomplished was to reset the server back to version 2 of SnapOS and I had to start this process all over again.

[misterbill]

New to this forum.
I have a Snap 2200 and due to my own stupidity I have
lost both drives.
Am I right that the OS is stored on one or both of the drives?
Also is there a way I can get this re-loaded on the drives?

[arpsh]

Did you do the config/debug change to make the 1000 think that it is a 2000 first. I did that, my machine now reports that it is a 2000. I don't have the .sup software that you mentioned, so I can't try it, unless you want to send it to me, in which case I can try it for you. Or at least in the OS 4.03 software that I have, I can't find that java .sup software to upgrade it. I might have it, and just not know where to look. It's happend before.

Yes, I tried it as a 1000 and a 2000 with no joy. If you want I can e-mail the java .sup file (it's about 4.5 MB), but I don't expect it to work! The main reason I was wanting to use the snap extensions was to enable SSL, but as far as I am aware there are very few other java apps available for the snap.

[jughead]

New to this forum.
I have a Snap 2200 and due to my own stupidity I have
lost both drives.
Am I right that the OS is stored on one or both of the drives?
Also is there a way I can get this re-loaded on the drives?

That was true for my Quantum Snap 2000. After installing the new drives and letting them finish formatting, you must re-add the two hidden network shares Java$ and Webroot$. After that, you will have to re-install the help and java .sup files because they ARE stored on the hard drive. After that, you should be up and running.

[phaedrus]

That's exactly what I tried on my 1000 but no joy - I think we can safely say that the 1000s don't support snap extensions (unless of course anyone out there knows different).

There is a usenet posting on google about this - someone has done it.

Look for msg-id <3efed8ef$0$30820$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>
All credit to the original poster Robert Lowery.

In case you can't find the articles I'll briefly quote from it:

"The trick to get it working was to use the hidden webpage
http://servername/config/debug

I changed the hardware version number using the command "bios
PlatformBytes 4 0 0". My Snap 1000 was version 3.1.1, the 4.0.0 was just a guess.

This change allowed the update to succeed (I used the OSUpdate.exe
utility, but I imagine using the Web Page or Assist will also work). I then reset
my hardware version back to 3.1.1 just to be safe.

I then enabled the JVM (you can use either the webpage or "jvm engine
enable" in the debug webpage, but it failed to start.

I tracked the problem down using "info log T" in the debug webpage and
found that the jvm was failing to get enough memory. By default the JVM was
trying to get 24MB and my Snap 1000 has 32MB total. I changed this down
to 8MB using "jvm ram 8", and while I was at it enabled ssl with "jvm ssl
on".

After reboot, my snap server now supports SSL connections (albeit slowly)."

A second posting notes a caution:

"I just tried this again after mucking up my Java$ network share, but this
time I forgot to reset my hardware version number to 3.1.1 before the snap
server rebooted, and I think I have turned my snap server into a boat
anchor, as it no longer boots. Looks like I'll have to remove the bios
and reprogram it back to 3.1.1

So in summary, the instructions in my previous posting work perfectly,
just reset the hardware version back as soon as snap_jvm.sup starts installing."

This thread is really useful - I've already upgraded a couple of Snapservers after coming across it.

phaedrus

[re3dyb0y]

I have distributed snap os v4 to mroe than 40 people now

A couple of people have asked if i want anything in return for the snap os v4. I said no, just some help with my server. But ive been thinking..

There is a game i want that is $20, i know this isn't a lot, so if someone wants to buy it to say thanks (or club up for it) let me know and i will pass on the details. It has to be bought with pay pal, so it would be easy for people to split the cost.

Don't mean to sound cheeky... But it did cost me $189, and you lot all saved that and more!!!

Thanks

Sam

[whitestick]

I have distributed snap os v4 to mroe than 40 people now

A couple of people have asked if i want anything in return for the snap os v4. I said no, just some help with my server. But ive been thinking..

There is a game i want that is $20, i know this isn't a lot, so if someone wants to buy it to say thanks (or club up for it) let me know and i will pass on the details. It has to be bought with pay pal, so it would be easy for people to split the cost.

Don't mean to sound cheeky... But it did cost me $189, and you lot all saved that and more!!!

Thanks

Sam
I certainly appreciate your help, and would join in. But, a thought, which game is it that you want. Someone might already have it, and can send it to you, advancing the spirit of sharing as you have already done. Please let us know.

[arpsh]

There is a usenet posting on google about this - someone has done it.

Look for msg-id <3efed8ef$0$30820$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>
All credit to the original poster Robert Lowery.

This thread is really useful - I've already upgraded a couple of Snapservers after coming across it.

Thanks for the info, I've just upgraded and it went without a hitch :D Having said that, I'd caution anyone about turning on SSL before the jvm is enabled and the server restarted - I needed a reset to be able get back in, doh!

I would also re-iterate that the hardware version needs setting back to the orginal version as soon as the upgrade kicks off - don't wait for it to end because the server restarts automatically.

For anyone reading phaedrus's post who isn't familiar with the debug page, typing "?" brings up a list of commands, including "bios unlock" and "bios lock" which you need to be able change the hardware version.

Now, if only SSL wasn't so slow........

[whitestick]

Thanks for the info, I've just upgraded and it went without a hitch :D Having said that, I'd caution anyone about turning on SSL before the jvm is enabled and the server restarted - I needed a reset to be able get back in, doh!

I would also re-iterate that the hardware version needs setting back to the orginal version as soon as the upgrade kicks off - don't wait for it to end because the server restarts automatically.

For anyone reading phaedrus's post who isn't familiar with the debug page, typing "?" brings up a list of commands, including "bios unlock" and "bios lock" which you need to be able change the hardware version.

Now, if only SSL wasn't so slow........
Well, in spite of all your warnings, i was too slow to re-enable the hardware version, and it rebooted before I did it. Thus, I now have a similar version of his original boat anchor. Were you able to find out how to get it back to a bootable condition, or how he was able to remove the bios, as he mentioned. Unfortunately, it appears just redoing the hard drive won't do it, as the new version information is now in nvram, and I have to get it up, to make that change, and so the circle turns. :cry:

[re3dyb0y]

The game is one that has to be bought from the web and needs registering.. and ive had an offer to buy this game.

But if anyone has
The Sims Deluxe Edition
The Sims Superstar
The Sims Makin Magic
Enter the Matrix
for the pc, id be grateful.

Thanks

Sam

[fjcrawler]

I have one of the original snap servers (s/n 25780) that came with a couple of
6 GB drives. I bought it from a guy and I've been reading the manual to get it to work. I had to put it in diagnostic mode to change the IP address so my DHCP router would see it. I hit the reset button 4 times (as per documentation), but after I got it all setup, it is still in the diagnostic mode (flashing system LED).

Anybody know how to take it out of diagnotic mode? I tried rebooting, but it did not help.

It looks like the pic below..

Thanks in advance,
Charles

[snapping]

Again if anyone wants snap os v4 (bought for 2200) ive been told it works on 2000,2200,1000,1100, i can email the file or give the link to the download site.
Thanks poogles_uk for the offer. I have a Snap 2000. Can you send the files to correoww@nerdshack.com or provide the url where I can download them?

Many thanks!

[iakinfiev]

if your offer on the snap os v4 still holds, i would much appreciate - got the 2200 as a trade for some consulting - seems silly to pay for the OS
let me know
thanks in advance
ilya

Again if anyone wants snap os v4 (bought for 2200) ive been told it works on 2000,2200,1000,1100, i can email the file or give the link to the download site.

[re3dyb0y]

Ok, from now on im not able to really help anyone by sending snap os v4. I would post the link but it would be possible that it would be closed down, so i need someone to take over distribution of the link, and someone to make a mirror for the file if possible?

Thanks

Sam

[re3dyb0y]

I have now got a maxtor diamond max 80gb hard drive for me snap server 2200.

Which is the best way to do the upgrade? I.e. clone the original drive? Or something else? As there has been many ways to do it.


Sam

[arpsh]

I have now got a maxtor diamond max 80gb hard drive for me snap server 2200.

Which is the best way to do the upgrade? I.e. clone the original drive? Or something else? As there has been many ways to do it.


Sam

Doing the clone has always worked seamlessly for me (using clone-n-recover as in post #41 on this thread) - but it does take quite some time! Some people have mentioned cloning just the first 50000 blocks, but I suppose the exact size might vary depending upon which version of the OS people are using, not having tried it myself (post #95). Chip (post #63) also suggested copying out sectors 0-4096, he used Diskprobe to make a backup image for future cloning purposes.

Having come across this forum well before anyone ever mentioned dolly.exe I haven't tried it, is it easier to use than clone-n-recover (which is very straightforward)? Of course all of these methods are dos based, Linux being a bit beyond a simple soul like me ...

[fjcrawler]

Anyone know how to get the bios, OS, firmware version? I went into
http://snapserver/config/debug
but it looks just like http://snapserver/config
screen.

I don't think my snap server is in disgnostic mode. I can see it from my win2k box when I select, "computers near me," but still cannot see th drives.

Thanks in advance,
Charles

[shen]

Hi all,

didn't read the thread for a few weeks and I'm happy that we seem to have a solution for the 120 GB barrier ;-)

I own two 4100 devices and I have SnapOS 4.0830 for 4x00 Devices here (if someone want's to upgrade). It's a 25 MB zip file.

I am interested in the Server2Server Copy software, but I have no license key :-(

So my idea to share SnapServer keys and software is to use the ******* network.

I would ask everybody who has SnapOS software or license keys to share them using *******. To find related files in the ******* network, it would be nice to give them a filename like "SnapServer_XXX", where XXX is the description. So everybody just hast to search for "SnapServer" and one will find related files.

To get this thing working I offer REMOVED

Please reply if you also share your SnapServer related software with us and what filename you gave it. Please reply also if you found the file I offered here.

[stty0]

Ahhh ... no offense Shen, but that file was on ******* ages ago, and still is, so getting it from there is nothing new.


Hi all,

didn't read the thread for a few weeks and I'm happy that we seem to have a solution for the 120 GB barrier ;-)

I own two 4100 devices and I have SnapOS 4.0830 for 4x00 Devices here (if someone want's to upgrade). It's a 25 MB zip file.

I am interested in the Server2Server Copy software, but I have no license key :-(

So my idea to share SnapServer keys and software is to use the ******* network.

I would ask everybody who has SnapOS software or license keys to share them using *******. To find related files in the ******* network, it would be nice to give them a filename like "SnapServer_XXX", where XXX is the description. So everybody just hast to search for "SnapServer" and one will find related files.

To get this thing working I offer right now in the ******* network and I hope that it will distribute soon.

Please reply if you also share your SnapServer related software with us and what filename you gave it. Please reply also if you found the file I offered here.

[re3dyb0y]

If anyone who had taken Snap OS V4 from me (which i paid for) wishes to make a donation using paypal. My email for this is sam@piloting.fsnet.co.uk

There is no obligation to do so. But if would go towards what i spent on the snap os v4.

Thanks

Sam

[rmoody]

I just hosed my 1000, can someone send me the image of the drive so I can try to restore it?

[misterbill]

Can someone send me an image for snap 2200? I lost both drives.

[re3dyb0y]

I may have an image in a bit for the 2200,

I will let you know

[re3dyb0y]

If you want either S2S (no code) or Snap Extensions here they are:

********
********

I dont have an image for the os on a hd yet.

[HLouie]

*Is OS4 the same for all Snap Server? I've used the same SUP file on the 2000 and 4100.

*Has anyone out there upgraded the 4100 above the 130gb limit?
It looks like the 1000,1100,2000,2200,4000 are able.
I've used 3 different drives, with no luck

[re3dyb0y]

I think OS v4 is the same for the snaps that use Snap OS. however some do use Guardian Os.

Can't be sure though.

[cyrusuncc]

anyone still hosting (or have a link to) snapos v4?

also, does this release have the LBA48 compatibility for snap 1000 units?

thanks

[packetsdontlie]

I'm still having trouble with my snap upgrade. I have a Snap 4000. I have four (qty) Maxtor 5A300J0 drives - 300 GB apiece. I've downloaded this document from Maxtor: http://www.maxtor.com/_files/maxtor/en_us/documentation/manuals/maxline_ii_manual.pdf

I've tried to follow the previous posts. I've set my jumper so the drives appear to be nothing more than a 32 GB drive. When I do that, the front LED on the Snap server flash amber synchronously across all four disk lights. http://snapserver/config tells me there are no drives to configure.

When I remove the 32 GB jumper on the drive, the server sees the drives just fine, but formats them around 120 GB. I've tried the LBA commands from the http://snapserver/config/debug window, but there is no change in behavior.

Spec: Snap 4000
Software: 4.0.8.30
Hardware: 2.2.1
BIOS: 2.4.437

Does anyone have any ideas?

[misterbill]

Would anyone that has a Snap 2200 be willing to Initialize a drive for me
if I send you one?
My Snap server is a 2200 with two 80GB drives.

[yvette176]

anyone still hosting (or have a link to) snapos v4?

also, does this release have the LBA48 compatibility for snap 1000 units?

thanks

i believe snapos v4 is a "gotta pay for it" release:

http://www.snapappliance.com/page.cfm?name=snapos4&nav=nas

you have to be registered with snapserver.com to get to this page.

as i don't have a 1000, i can't tell you if the v4 OS will work with it.

hth
yvette

[re3dyb0y]

Heres one for you all, this is with my 2200:
I bought my new hd, placed it onto the second channel. It booted up fine, and formatted the hard drive. It came up as a seperate drive. Great!!

I then turned it off and unplugged the old hd, and turned on again (with the new one still connected), it booted and everything is fine and dandy. No cloning or reinstalling of OS. So it would seem like, against popular opinion that the snap 2200 has the OS on the mobo. However to test this i tried the new bought one. That also had Snap OS v4 on it. So it seems like either the new mobo has Snap OS v4 on it, or the mobo copied the files across when it formatted the drive. However, the new mobo with either drive didn't have JVM on it whereas the old one did. With just the new drive attatched it has no JVM either, i haven't tried the original drive with the new mobo.

I tried booting it with no HD's attatched, but it can't find the server, as the link light dont light. With the new drive on the IDE 1 and the old on IDE 2, it boots and has snap extensions on it.

With just the 1 new drive it runs reallly quiet, probably similar with another of the same, no more noise than just the fan running. Has anyone a way to remove the raid from the old drive? Otherwise i may just buy a another new HD.

If someone can tell me how to make an image for others that'd be great, as i know how to clone but not make an image

[phaedrus]

*Is OS4 the same for all Snap Server? I've used the same SUP file on the 2000 and 4100.

*Has anyone out there upgraded the 4100 above the 130gb limit?
It looks like the 1000,1100,2000,2200,4000 are able.
I've used 3 different drives, with no luck

I think this is a hardware limitation - probably the Promise controller and/or its BIOS.

I have a 4100 which started life as a Dell 705n. It's running 3.4.805 which is 48bitLBA compatible unlike 3.4.803 which is not. 4.0.830 is also 48bitLBA capable, but only on suitable hardware.

On putting in a disk >128Mb "info log T" at the http://snapserver/config/debug prompt shows:

D SYS | IDE: A 48 bit LBA capable Hard Drive was detected ...
D SYS | IDE: 48 bit LBA is not supported on 4100 and 12000 platforms.
D SYS | IDE: Setting the hard drive size to maximum addressable by 28 bits:

[misterbill]

Heres one for you all, this is with my 2200:
I bought my new hd, placed it onto the second channel. It booted up fine, and formatted the hard drive. It came up as a seperate drive. Great!!

I then turned it off and unplugged the old hd, and turned on again (with the new one still connected), it booted and everything is fine and dandy. No cloning or reinstalling of OS. So it would seem like, against popular opinion that the snap 2200 has the OS on the mobo. However to test this i tried the new bought one. That also had Snap OS v4 on it. So it seems like either the new mobo has Snap OS v4 on it, or the mobo copied the files across when it formatted the drive. However, the new mobo with either drive didn't have JVM on it whereas the old one did. With just the new drive attatched it has no JVM either, i haven't tried the original drive with the new mobo.

I tried booting it with no HD's attatched, but it can't find the server, as the link light dont light. With the new drive on the IDE 1 and the old on IDE 2, it boots and has snap extensions on it.

With just the 1 new drive it runs reallly quiet, probably similar with another of the same, no more noise than just the fan running. Has anyone a way to remove the raid from the old drive? Otherwise i may just buy a another new HD.

If someone can tell me how to make an image for others that'd be great, as i know how to clone but not make an image
I actually talked to someone from snap and that's how they said it would work.
He also warned me if I wanted to use another server to reinitialize my drives to be sure and configure the borrowed server for two individual drives first. If you don't it treats the second drive as a failed mirror. It will initialize is but you can not remove the mirror from the first one. My thought is that since you can boot up with your one new drive you might be able to use a PC to remove the partition info from the mirrored drive then hook it up and let it initialize. It should initialize as a single drive. I am no expert though so maybe some inputs from others would be a good idea.

[cristianox]

hallo! I'm a new user :)
I've found this forum searching for the software (the os "snapos") of a snapserver 1000 with hd80 gb.
the hard disk has crashed :( and i don't have saved the operating system!
can someone send me it by email or similar?
thanks

c.masutti@dataveneta.it

[MarcoP]

I'm still having trouble with my snap upgrade. I have a Snap 4000. I have four (qty) Maxtor 5A300J0 drives - 300 GB apiece. I've downloaded this document from Maxtor: http://www.maxtor.com/_files/maxtor/en_us/documentation/manuals/maxline_ii_manual.pdf

I've tried to follow the previous posts. I've set my jumper so the drives appear to be nothing more than a 32 GB drive. When I do that, the front LED on the Snap server flash amber synchronously across all four disk lights. http://snapserver/config tells me there are no drives to configure.

When I remove the 32 GB jumper on the drive, the server sees the drives just fine, but formats them around 120 GB. I've tried the LBA commands from the http://snapserver/config/debug window, but there is no change in behavior.

Spec: Snap 4000
Software: 4.0.8.30
Hardware: 2.2.1
BIOS: 2.4.437

Does anyone have any ideas?

After my post (#146) I replaced all the 160GB disks with 300GB, created a Raid 5 volume with a size near 850GB and checked with Snap diagnostic. Also I changed the RAM to 256MB. After all I upgraded to v4.0.830. No trouble at all, only a little decrease of performance with SnapOS v4.0 and Snap Extensions.

The differences between your Snap with mine are Bios and Hardware versions.

The drives of Snap Server 4000 with serial before 70700042-003 have to be connected with jumpers set as master/slave, after with jumpers set as Cable Select.

What version of Snap Os is now installed?

If it is 4.0.830, did you upgraded before changing disks? V4.0 is 48bitLBA capable, but not with all hardware.

Could be necessary to reinstall v3.4.805 but I have no info if anybody has tried to downgrade to v3.4 with success.

Marco

[re3dyb0y]

I believe you can, but i am not definate. You just can go form 3.8 to lower (ie v2 etc)

[whitestick]

Has anyone successfully reinitialized the eprom, after messing it up I attempted to install the java extensions, and changed the flag so my Snap 1000 thought that it was a 4000, began the upgrade process. Every thing worked except that I wasn't quick enough to change it back before it rebooted itself, now it won't come up at all - can't even get an assist to find it. Since the eprom was changed, it also doesn't help just to put in a 1000 image, as it doesn't seem to know what to do with that. Any suggestions, or hopefully knowledge from someone that has made a recovery.

[packetsdontlie]

The differences between your Snap with mine are Bios and Hardware versions.

The drives of Snap Server 4000 with serial before 70700042-003 have to be connected with jumpers set as master/slave, after with jumpers set as Cable Select.

What version of Snap Os is now installed?

If it is 4.0.830, did you upgraded before changing disks? V4.0 is 48bitLBA capable, but not with all hardware.

Could be necessary to reinstall v3.4.805 but I have no info if anybody has tried to downgrade to v3.4 with success.

Marco

I was away for a bit, but did try the jumper positions before I saw this post. There was no difference in behavior (Snap still saw it as < 137 GB) with either CS or M/S. I went through the routine of setting the drives to 32 GB, but I'm really not convinced that does anything.

I upgraded to 4.0.830 after trying the drives a few different times with no success. I would say that I probably did not understand the entire process as much as I do currently (And that is to say, I need the Snap to recognize the drives as being capable of doing LBA 48 Bit and therefore breaking the 137 GB barrier). I'm not in front of it now, but when ever I issue the ~IDElba48bit~ command with "get", it always reports 0. With "reset", it says "command completed without errors". I'm fairly convinced it must be a combination of hardware version and bios version that is making this endeavor fail. My searching of the Snap site and this forum suggest that there is no way to change either in the 4000.

I'm thinking of trying to find some 120 GB drives and just saving the 300 GB drives for something else.

[re3dyb0y]

OK, people have been asking for images for snap servers. I have a 2200, with snap os v4. Im willing to create an image for people to use. I have many programs that i can use. But i need to know which people would want. I have a knoppix live CD, so i can do a linux image. I have a g4u boot cd and disk pro. I also have norton ghost and powerquest drive image. The latter 2 i believe wouldn't do the job.

[misterbill]

OK, people have been asking for images for snap servers. I have a 2200, with snap os v4. Im willing to create an image for people to use. I have many programs that i can use. But i need to know which people would want. I have a knoppix live CD, so i can do a linux image. I have a g4u boot cd and disk pro. I also have norton ghost and powerquest drive image. The latter 2 i believe wouldn't do the job.
I don't know anything about any of those programs but I am willing to try.
I think the linux image is what we need.
Again I'm not familiar with knoppix live.
I do not have a linux system so whatever might work with windows XP would be great.
Thank you in advance for whatever help you can do.

[cristianox]

I don't know if a 2200 SnapOs work on a Snapserver 1100 but I can try it! lost for lost... ;)
for the format of image I haven't problem, linux or windows is the same!
but.. how large is it? 20? 30? 80mb? if you wan't I can do you some ftp space!
thanks

[re3dyb0y]

FTP Space will be good, and we can put the image, snap os v4, S2S, and snap extensions on it.

If its only the size of the data on it, max 50mb i would have thought.

What do i want to do it on (knoppix is a type of linux, it runs without installation from a cd)

I need some help as to which i should do the image.

[misterbill]

I created a user on my ftp site if you need to use it.
ftp://*************
User name: ****
Password: ****
This open for everyone here to use.
Sorry I am still no help on what program to use or how to make the image.

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