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nicozeg
08-03-2003, 01:09 PM
Just wanted to show what happens when a stupid @#@&"# Buys an STI.
How he can turn this incredible machine:
nicozeg
08-03-2003, 01:10 PM
Into This:
nicozeg
08-03-2003, 01:11 PM
In less than 24 hours!
At least he lived to tell. At 240 kph he turned over a bus, you could see the wheel stamped on the bonnet. It's still with temporary licence plate, and of course no insurance yet.
cybrsamurai
08-03-2003, 02:29 PM
thats some scary stuff. Im suprized that guy lived through it, I guess he was lucky.
trit187
08-03-2003, 02:41 PM
someone you know?
mfpmax
08-03-2003, 02:44 PM
I saw an STi at the drag strip.
It was owned by a guy and his girlfriend I think.
His girlfriend drove it better than him ;) She was cute too :drool:
nicozeg
08-04-2003, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by trit187
someone you know?
No, just saw the car at the dealer, and asked for the pictures.
They were going to send the car back to japan, as subaru engineers were intrested in analizing body deformations.
jaydee
08-04-2003, 10:28 AM
Geeze. Thats much worst than Joe trying to make a submarine out of his car this last winter.
I like subaru's overall. Impreza's are starting to get too play'd out though. The STi is hot looking, but not my cup O tea.
I am waiting to see pricing and availability of the new Legacy's... to me they are far more stylish than the stubby STi, and they come with nice features which the STi doesnt have inside the cabin.
the Forester XT is also very nice... lotsa power in it.
But in the end I will more than likely buy a Mini CooperS since they handle better than any Subaru :) (my Impreza was a pig... heavy, and took WAY too much money to get it competative at an AutoX level) The Cooper is a GoKart with a roof, and has some nice pep to it for power/weight ratio. I crave power for pulling out of turns, and high power brakes, and quick ratio steering racks.
(top speed and 1/4 mile times dont matter to me. 1. I never run at top speed of a car.. who needs to drive 140mph on city streets?, 2. who cares how fast your car can go .25 miles... tell me how fast it can go around a 4 mile road course, and how good of a driver you are. 1/4mile times are just another way for dudes to measure their dicks it seems... although length seems to be inverse to thier speed, its all about the insecurity hehe :p hehehe j/k)
Balinju
08-04-2003, 01:43 PM
ohh my god that subaru, i wish it was mine.
i like the subaru impreza wrx sti especially the type r version (the 3 door version [not so common]), they got a wonderful engine, and a very nice engine noise :))
have would have done much better not showing to me that picture :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
to joe, maybe if you want a very fast car for your track, try the toyota supra or maybe a honda nsx or a mitsubishi evolution, i will post a pic of a very nice nsx for you of an old man (about 60yrs old) who owns an nsx modified to fit his needs for a track :P very nice nsx.
Balinju
08-04-2003, 02:02 PM
ok here it is, nsx mugen viper, sorry for the bad resolution but i scanned it from a magazine
Originally posted by Balinju
ohh my god that subaru, i wish it was mine.
i like the subaru impreza wrx sti especially the type r version (the 3 door version [not so common]), they got a wonderful engine, and a very nice engine noise :))
have would have done much better not showing to me that picture :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
to joe, maybe if you want a very fast car for your track, try the toyota supra or maybe a honda nsx or a mitsubishi evolution, i will post a pic of a very nice nsx for you of an old man (about 60yrs old) who owns an nsx modified to fit his needs for a track :P very nice nsx.
the STi you are talking about is the Spec C Type R version and its hot hot hot, but they dont make the 3 door version anymore not since around 2000 or so. the Spec C Type R's are made for racing since they have no accessories most people would like in a car. ( like AC/ stereo/ etc..)
Nice rides though.
Also .. Supras are crap on tracks... compared to other track bred machines like Audi S4's/RS6's, Porsches, etc... Supra's arent all that at all. NSX's are ok, but not as good as you may think, they are deffinitely better than Supras though. EVO... ugh... no. they are cool and all, but totally not my thing.
If I had enough money to do an NSX I would just buy a RS6 and be done with it.
mfpmax
08-04-2003, 04:31 PM
NSX is more of an engineering display...from 1991...
Balinju
08-04-2003, 06:35 PM
supras are crap on tracks, i agree, they are far too heavy for a track car, but, they are crap only if not modified :evilaugh: DragonStar for example is a company who can do the job :p
porsches are very very good for tracks, but at least in my country, there price is way too high, the audi is a good choise as well, but for that price i would look into the bmw m3, very nice engine, i like that way too much :D
i wish our country had car prices like your country, here the cars are well overpriced :( and the fuel is also very expensive :mad:
mfpmax
08-04-2003, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by Balinju
i wish our country had car prices like your country, here the cars are well overpriced :( and the fuel is also very expensive :mad:
Our fuel may not be as high as yours...but our cars are certainly over priced. And then there is the dealership mark-up...a car that retails for $25-30k USD is getting a $5k-10k USD dealership mark-up on the price...
trit187
08-05-2003, 02:37 AM
if you do your research and check some of the sites online you can usually get about the factory invoice price, I did this for my parents when we bought our yukon, dealer brought out the invoice, $50 off, so we got the car for VERY near invoice.
I understand they still get dealer incentives and stuff but if you're smart you can save $$$ and not let them screw you over too bad
nicozeg
08-05-2003, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by Joe
But in the end I will more than likely buy a Mini CooperS since they handle better than any Subaru :) (my Impreza was a pig... heavy, and took WAY too much money to get it competative at an AutoX level) The Cooper is a GoKart with a roof, and has some nice pep to it for power/weight ratio. I crave power for pulling out of turns, and high power brakes, and quick ratio steering racks.
AHHH, the new Minis, that's my dream car!
They were launched in my country just a month ago; Damn Expensive little things! :eek:
I know that cars are not sold by the meter, but the Cooper S costs something like U$ 35.000 here :eek:
MeltMan
08-05-2003, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by nicozeg
AHHH, the new Minis, that's my dream car!
They were launched in my country just a month ago; Damn Expensive little things! :eek:
I know that cars are not sold by the meter, but the Cooper S costs something like U$ 35.000 here :eek:
I'm just waiting for the re-release of the Honda CRX. Its going to have more HP out of the box than a Mini and a lower target weight.
Talk about a big go-kart.
That and I dont like how those little coopers look.
*edit*
Heres a track car for you guys...
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid72/p0bf7e5da43f2ee50ca3fd84bf5319d28/fb842c8d.jpg
RTR stuff is nice, but why they stop running the NSX's in GT?!
And Mr Pete who drives the other RTR ride, is from Milwaukee, I have met him at local AutoX's before, hes pretty damn cool.
Originally posted by MeltMan
I'm just waiting for the re-release of the Honda CRX. Its going to have more HP out of the box than a Mini and a lower target weight.
Talk about a big go-kart.
That and I dont like how those little coopers look.
Well I would much rather have a car built by BMW than one built by Honda... I owned a Jap car once, its nice, but the engineering is just not as good as the Bavarians or germans. The european cars make the inside as well as under the hood damn nice. The fit and finish of european cars are just so much better than Japanese. the Jap cars have alot going on still... both are better than most any american car ;)
MeltMan
08-05-2003, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by Joe
Well I would much rather have a car built by BMW than one built by Honda... I owned a Jap car once, its nice, but the engineering is just not as good as the Bavarians or germans.
You gotta keep in mind, price.
A mini is a little more expensive than a civic CRX. :shrug:
And if my (when they re-release) CRX is faster and lighter than your mini, you'd better be a pretty good AutoX driver to keep up. :D
Umm whatcha talking about, I seen people in Ram trucks beat Civics in AutoX's... its all about the driver.
and a Civic with that much power CRX or not will not be cheap and will more than likely be in the 20k$ range right along with teh Mini. Power isnt everything. If I wanted power I would buy a Camaro or something. Theres a ballance if fit/finish/power/and reliability. Also theres something about being a lil different thats nice.
Since every rice kiddie will own a CRX and put a big ole Type R sticker on it ( I think its a law you have to do that if you own a honda BTW) I would rather own something a bit more refined and functional, since I do more driving on country roads than I do at a race track.
Honda can build nice stuff, but its not german, and thats all there is to know. Also if you wanted small and powerful, get a new MR2 and S/C it. a well driven and tuned MR2 will own most things on a tight course.
cristoff
08-05-2003, 03:22 PM
For me I love the preza's...
I want to get a 1998 Impreza 2.5RS... love the car... 4wheel drive and stick... real nice...
Not tooooo fond of the sti in looks category... I like the evo better...
I actually love the mini cooper s's... real nice especially since the movie the italian job came out...
trit187
08-05-2003, 03:27 PM
Mitsubishi 3000GT for me, get the vr-4 and it has a 3.o litter 300hp engine, with 6 speed manual transmission, that thing will haul
Yeh those are spiffy cars, if you get teh Stealth R/T Twin Turbo AWD. The Getrag gear box is built for a tank it seems. I think its 340 Hp also.
the car is a boat though, many smaller cars can accelerate faster and go higher speeds simply due to the 800lbs lighter they are.
Balinju
08-05-2003, 06:05 PM
so, i want to come into this war of european cars vs jap cars.
1. If you want a light car -- Jap Car
2. If you want a safe car -- European car
a small comparisine, my poor vw polo weighs 1.3tons, my mother's mitsubishi lancer glx which has a larger engine and a taller body weighs less than my polo :eek:
Japs car are much lighter than europeans car but much less safe.
if you want speed in a 4cyl engine, than you must look into jap cars, hondas with their vtech and their monster rev limit which many of them can rev up to 10k have very powerful engines and very very reliable. and btw (especially to joe), hondas are not the only jap cars, there are nissan like the very wonderful skyline with a nice powerful 6cyl engine, there are the mitsubishi, toyota ...
what i mainly want to say is that if you are looking for a family car or for a luxury car, go for a european car like mercedes, bmw ... if you want a race car, go for jap car.
ok i did not forget the porsches and all the other super fast cars, but compairing the price of a porsche with that of a honda RSX or NSX, i would choose the honda :dome:
jaydee
08-05-2003, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by Balinju
so, i want to come into this war of european cars vs jap cars.
1. If you want a light car -- Jap Car
2. If you want a safe car -- European car
I don't know about that man. That Impreza that slammed into that bus was doing 240KPH and the driver lived. That's either pretty impresive safty or extreamly lucky or most likely a combination of the two. That wheel mark from the bus is a damn impressive hood ornament! Not cheap though...:D
BMW's are far from slow aswell. They make some damn fast and good handling cars. lets not forget the BMW Z8, M Coupe or (the more affordable) Z3.
I would take a Carrera over a NSX anyday.. they are similar in price, and an NSX could never touch a 911 in almost any area.
An RSX is a whole nother class of car, its an econobox small car, not a super car like the NSX and porsche so its not terribly fair to compare those.
And Jap cars arent bad, but they are too much of one thing and not enough of all the others. They are good on high reving low torque engines. They are making safer cars now than before but normally materials quality lacks until you get into the 50k$ range for them. Whereas you can get a hot European car with excelent material quality, solid engine, and way safe for less.
Weight is a factor, but I would much rather have some additional weight and have a car that can alow me to survive in a crash. And dont forget about European engine design... since most Jap designs are based at some point off the ground breaking designs invented by Ferrari and Porsche. I mean valve lift changes while running at a certain throttle position (VTEC in honda) was being done by Porsche 20 years before Honda even thought of it.
I would personally like a more well rounded car than one thats overlooked comfort of the driver, and design quality for just more power. I mean you cant even begin to compare a Civic Si to a Mini Cooper in terms of build quality... I have drove both, and the Civic is plentiful in plastics, where as the mini seems much more conservative on using cheap plastic in places they dont need to.
Also ... desgin styling... Jap cars always look much flashier than I think they need to... European cars for the most part are very understated, but well refined designs.
Jap cars are coming along fast, but they are riding the coat tails of the European car MFG's who pioneered much of the technology they are using today.
Balinju
08-05-2003, 06:43 PM
you are right on variable valve timing technology (the vtech in honda). porsche invented that and nowaday, porsche and bmw only use that technology much wiser than used in hondas enigne but remember that most of bmw and porsches engines are 6cyl. the difference is the following, while the vtech of honda, or the vvti of toyota or the miver of mitsubishi are like an on/off switch, that vary only once through the rev rangel, the varibale valve timing found on the bmw enignes and on the porsches engines advances and retardes the camshafts all the way through the rev range, that is why bmw can get more than 100bhp per 1000cc in their engines :eek:
i like both types cars :D personally i would go for an evo 7 or the latest evo 8 or for a bmw m3 if you want the best of all sectors, maybe the evo is faster but the bmw is better built and nicer ;)
jaydee
08-05-2003, 07:00 PM
Those Mini Coopers are nice. If I save up for few months and they have a clearance sale I might be able to pick one of these up:
mfpmax
08-05-2003, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by Joe
I would take a Carrera over a NSX anyday.. they are similar in price, and an NSX could never touch a 911 in almost any area.
And the 996 is 10x1000000000000000000 times sexier too
satanicoo
08-05-2003, 10:10 PM
My dream, when i get to be a Big boy, is to get an good ol' days mini, and stick a kawazaky ZX-12R engine in it...
meh, I'd rather just have a shifter kart. ;) Screw road cars, not a damn one will ever be as fast as a 250cc superkart, and most wont be as fast as a 125.
I do have a wrx though, and its kind of a pig. Understeers terribly. I think I'd be much happier with a Miata, or some other small, light, rwd car.
Even in the wet on asphalt, my wrx will plow extremely bad.
german cars rule.
BMW, Porsche, Audi, MB, even VW has good stuff.
they know how to make art of engineering.
jap cars arent bad, but they are european wannabes.
Well, I do agree that German cars are nice, but japanese cars are wannabes? Id hardly say so.. Jap. cars dont even try to immitate German cars. Also, the top Jap. "pocket rockets", Evo, WRX, Skyline, have many top spots as far as lap times for stock cars on road tracks. At nurburgring the Sti Spec C i believe is only second to like 2 or 3 cars, all costing 2-3 times as much as it.
So while German cars are nice, dont discount a Japanese car.....They can and have shown that the performance they bring to the table can hang with some of the top german sports cars, even while being WAY cheaper.
Also, what about a Z06 ;) 50k, <110 ft 60-0, 4 sec 0-60, 1g later grip, great handling characteristics. Tell those german cars to take that ;)
performance aint everything
I dont think anyone said it was. If it was everything, everyone would be driving crotch rocket bikes at a VERY nice power/weight ratio.
now if your poor, just transmitting rotational energy to some type of wheel is considered everything.
Originally posted by wrx
meh, I'd rather just have a shifter kart. ;) Screw road cars, not a damn one will ever be as fast as a 250cc superkart, and most wont be as fast as a 125.
I do have a wrx though, and its kind of a pig. Understeers terribly. I think I'd be much happier with a Miata, or some other small, light, rwd car.
Even in the wet on asphalt, my wrx will plow extremely bad.
Thats the subaru push ;) all subaru's have that NASTY ass understeer. takes lots of suspension work, and excelent tires to overcome that.
Replacing the stock RE92 tires is a BIG first step in improving that car.
mfpmax
08-29-2003, 12:27 AM
Originally posted by -J-
jap cars arent bad, but they are european wannabes.
Kinda hard since every company around is now in bed with each other.
Toyissondenzryslemotorord.
Originally posted by Joe
Thats the subaru push ;) all subaru's have that NASTY ass understeer. takes lots of suspension work, and excelent tires to overcome that.
Replacing the stock RE92 tires is a BIG first step in improving that car.
Yeah, I already have replaced the Crap 92's. I got yokohama es100's, i kinda wish I went with the kumho ecsta's though. I dont want tires that are too grippy ;) I actually kinda liked the RE92's cause I COULD get them too break loose, and have alittle sideways fun.
And yes, it really takes a good set of coilovers and to make a wrx handle anywhere near neutral. So, thats why I am just gonna leave my car stock(basically) and get a s hifter kart. The $ per performance of a kart is ridiculous.
MeltMan
09-09-2003, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by Balinju
the difference is the following, while the vtech of honda, or the vvti of toyota or the miver of mitsubishi are like an on/off switch, that vary only once through the rev rangel, the varibale valve timing found on the bmw enignes and on the porsches engines advances and retardes the camshafts all the way through the rev range, that is why bmw can get more than 100bhp per 1000cc in their engines :eek:
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Careful with that... You might want to do some reading.
BMW's Double Vanos is only capable of changing the phase (retard/advance) of the cams. Read about it (http://www.bmwworld.com/technology/vanos.htm)
Honda's Vtec is capable lift/duration by swapping in a completely independent set of cams at an RPM. Also, the new iVtec can control phase angle as well. Read about it (http://asia.vtec.net/article/ivtec/index.html)
Porsche's Variocam Plus can control lift/duration as well as phase also.Read about it (http://home.worldonline.es/jaumepor/angles/tecnica/varicamen.htm)
As can Toyota's VVTL-i. Read about it (http://autozine.kyul.net/technical_school/tech_index.htm)
Phew. Joe's right that Porsche was playing with variable valve timing 20 years before Honda, but Honda brought it to the economy consumer market and made it mainstream.
*Edit*
Here's a fantastic comparison page of iVtec to VVT
Right here (http://www.billzilla.org/vvtvtec.htm)
Balinju
09-09-2003, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by MeltMan
[B]Careful with that... You might want to do some reading.
Honda's Vtec is capable lift/duration by swapping in a completely independent set of cams at an RPM. Also, the new iVtec can control phase angle as well. Read about it (http://asia.vtec.net/article/ivtec/index.html)
that's only possible when using the dual cam system, vtech systems found on 1.5l engines dont have dual cam system and don't change the cams but only advances and retardes the cam on its engine. for example, the stage 3 vtec found on the 1.5l honda vtech engine advances the cam at 3.5k and advances it again at 5.5k, other stages of vtec's will advance the cam at only one point
SecretAgentMan
09-18-2003, 07:27 AM
Oh yes...I do love the Impreza - been a proud owner of the last of the old style turbos for 3,5 years now.
I've done just about everything myself on the car (including the mapping of the link ecu) - and I'm quite happy with it, not so much styling, but more power, roadholding and brakes. :D
http://www.impreza.nu/ssi2/expo/albums/album44/CRW_2307.sized.jpg
0-60 just below 4 secs
60 ft:1,77
1/8 8.01 @ 87
1/4 12.72 @ 110.6
No naaaaawz. ;)
And it goes around corners like nothing else, and the brakes are of the sort that makes your head hurt. :evilaugh:
/J
decodeddiesel
03-26-2004, 04:26 PM
Oh yes...I do love the Impreza - been a proud owner of the last of the old style turbos for 3,5 years now.
I've done just about everything myself on the car (including the mapping of the link ecu) - and I'm quite happy with it, not so much styling, but more power, roadholding and brakes. :D
0-60 just below 4 secs
60 ft:1,77
1/8 8.01 @ 87
1/4 12.72 @ 110.6
No naaaaawz. ;)
And it goes around corners like nothing else, and the brakes are of the sort that makes your head hurt. :evilaugh:
/J
NICE I love the old Impreza! If I could have gotten a hold of a WRX in that body style I would have gotten it. I was not to thrilled with the '02, '03 USDM WRX, but I love the '04 so much I got one.
kronchev
05-25-2004, 03:10 PM
the STi you are talking about is the Spec C Type R version and its hot hot hot, but they dont make the 3 door version anymore not since around 2000 or so. the Spec C Type R's are made for racing since they have no accessories most people would like in a car. ( like AC/ stereo/ etc..)
Nice rides though.
Also .. Supras are crap on tracks... compared to other track bred machines like Audi S4's/RS6's, Porsches, etc... Supra's arent all that at all. NSX's are ok, but not as good as you may think, they are deffinitely better than Supras though. EVO... ugh... no. they are cool and all, but totally not my thing.
If I had enough money to do an NSX I would just buy a RS6 and be done with it.
did you compare a $100k+ car to a <$30k modded car?
kronchev
05-25-2004, 03:18 PM
so, i want to come into this war of european cars vs jap cars.
1. If you want a light car -- Jap Car
2. If you want a safe car -- European car
a small comparisine, my poor vw polo weighs 1.3tons, my mother's mitsubishi lancer glx which has a larger engine and a taller body weighs less than my polo :eek:
Japs car are much lighter than europeans car but much less safe.
if you want speed in a 4cyl engine, than you must look into jap cars, hondas with their vtech and their monster rev limit which many of them can rev up to 10k have very powerful engines and very very reliable. and btw (especially to joe), hondas are not the only jap cars, there are nissan like the very wonderful skyline with a nice powerful 6cyl engine, there are the mitsubishi, toyota ...
ok i did not forget the porsches and all the other super fast cars, but compairing the price of a porsche with that of a honda RSX or NSX, i would choose the honda :dome:
not everyone can buy a skyline, or even have access to possibly by a skyline. very hard to get in the states, you gotta bring em over and bring em up to safety specs. you probabily knew that, but its a point.
if I could get any <50 car OTC (over the counter, as in walk into a dealership and buy it) i'd get a WRX or a 3.5RL, AWD. If I had money to mod I'd go cheap with either a perfect condition CRX or a hatchback Civic and just make it really, really nice. I dont like big cars and 4 doors is too much for me. Personally I am driving a Nissan Altima 97 and its way too much for me. Its big and, well, big. There are always bigger but considering most of the time I'm driving myself around, I'd rather get 30 MPG and have something that can toss the road around.
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