Check this out!

[Playful_Wolfpup]

Now here's something worth mentioning that I just read: http://www.icrontic.com/action=hardware&id=47

Watercooling without tearing apart your computer. Wow!

[Joe]

You know how ****ED UP that system is???

I dont know who I am more disspointed in, Be Cool's TOTAL **** up of a system or the fact the inept folks at Icraptic.com gave it a good review!!

OK here are some of the MANY flaws in the cooling system:

1. The guy who reviewed it, knows jack shit bout cooling. he said it didnt have a Res. tank... Umm whats that thing the pump sits in?
2. The Res. Tank blocks all but 1 inch of that weak ass radiator
3. the radiator itself SUCKS.
4. The block is EPOXIED?!?! Well I guess after a couple heat up and cool down cycles you dont mind a lil water in yer machine do ya? What happened with Soldering a block.
5. HSF on the block??? you TRYING to bleed off the cooling abilities of the setup even further by having it absorb heat from its surroundings?? Or just prepare'n for the system to break down after a few hours? OR is it cause that weak ass radiator cant take the heat of an Athlon on its own.

OMG.. Ok I am pissed about the article as this is a prime example of a site sucking a Mfg's dick. Giving it a "Kick Ass" review rate'n But yet showing that they have no idea what they are talking about and that the system sucks! Did a 2 year old write the article? Its reviews like these that question the entire base of writers and reviewers. How can any of the folks out there who bust their ass on this stuff be trusted if its so clear any inept writer will give a company a good review if it gets something for free. Truely SAD.

That system makes OCH's systems look world class!!

BeCool should wake up to see the rest of the cooling community left it behind like 1 year ago. Just goes to show give a monkey a shiny object and he will love ya for it.

Edit: " One of the best water cooling kits on the market. Great performance at a great price. Who can argue with that? "

Thought that sentence would come out more muffled since they were so obviously sucking a BeCool appendage at the time http://www.procooling.com/ubb/smile.gif
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Where the Completely Addicted Come to Cool Off

Somebody set up us the bomb.

[This message has been edited by Joe (edited 01-26-2001).]

[mfpmax]

Guess you're right Joe cause on my end that link comes up 404...must be crap.

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[UnaClocker]

Wouldn't want you to miss out on the laughs.. Here's the correct URL, tho the site does seem to have issues loading.
http://www.icrontic.com/?action=hardware&id=47

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Overclock till it goes BOOM!
Watercooler extraordinaire!

[Freakyfrank]

page not found http://www.procooling.com/ubb/frown.gif

guess he closed his site when he read joe's reply http://www.procooling.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Joe]

"sorry, icrontic.com has been HACKED... big time. we are working to restore it. please be patient, it may be up sometime tommororow. thanks "

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAhahahahahahahaha


Suks to be dem.

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www.ProCooling.com
Where the Completely Addicted Come to Cool Off

Somebody set up us the bomb.

[Cryonosis]

I know the kids that run icrontic from Mirc, they are just a bunch of know-nothing whiny teenagers that think that they are cool. Worst part is that they keep picking fights with hackors and friends of hackors, hence the sight being down and there maintainers getting used to a life with no internet

Used to play on one of their game servers, but they kept fxcking the players over that I gave up on them. rather pathetic group. . .

well enough of that for now. . .

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[Joe]

OMG you see that slacker is asking for money and hardware!!! WTF...

OK folks I am gunna go and delete procooling, then as YOU to pay to get it put back up... jesus christ..

Get a freak'n job kiddies. ( mr. Mortin)


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Where the Completely Addicted Come to Cool Off

Somebody set up us the bomb.

[This message has been edited by Joe (edited 01-29-2001).]

[UnaClocker]

Hehehe.. Was wondering if I was the only one that thought that was lame. I especially like where they said something like "30% of the hardware is for our personal machines".. Uh, yeah, keep dreaming.

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[UnaClocker]

Har! That screwed up review is back! We can all go back to laughing at it.. http://www.procooling.com/ubb/wink.gif hehehe..

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[Freakyfrank]

http://www.icrontic.com/review_images/Hardware/A/aquastealth2/setup3_1.jpg

HAHAHAA!! they wanna cool the clip that is holding the waterblock down..

The heatsink on top of the waterjacket is an excellent idea

yeah right.. stuffing a heatsink up ur ass also eh?

http://www.icrontic.com/review_images/Hardware/A/aquastealth2/PICT0015_1.jpg

uhm they want to cool the pump instead of the radiator ??
OVERALL SCORE: 94%

they are the winner of the "MY-FIRST-WATERCOOLING AWARD"!!
(max age = 12)

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[This message has been edited by Freakyfrank (edited 01-31-2001).]

[Freakyfrank]

MAN they completely screwed it up!

there is NO heatsink included!
and the waterpump attached to the radiator??
damn.. my lil bro can do it better!

the system itself is not so bad..
they have a good review from overclockers.com
if u use a pelt <80W... (not for us die-hard tweakers http://www.procooling.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Joe]

sorry I dont buy putting the pump IN the res tank, and putting that infront of the radiator. You use a pelt or something and you will melt the setup I think or boil the coolant.

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www.ProCooling.com
Where the Completely Addicted Come to Cool Off

Somebody set up us the bomb.

[Cryonosis]

I'm with Joe on this one, that setup suxs big. With the resevior in front of the radiator like that how the hell does air flow through the radiator. Oh wait I know, the resevior is permiable. . .wait wouldn't that make the water come out then?

and then can someone please explain to me the point of LOWERING the efficiency of your cooling setup? I'm trying to figure this one out. . .what is the point of pulling heat off the water block into the ambient air inside the computer case.

Man whomever wrote that review dun know jack about computers. Amazing how stupid some people can be and still think that they know a lot.

well whatever, another site setting itself up for pain. . .,

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[Joe]

it was wrote by Mortin.. you know whats scary, hes the smartest one there! its all down hill from there.

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Somebody set up us the bomb.

[mfpmax]

That site is/was just lame. The only thing decent to read on their page is the CS related stuff and thats mainly for non-CS players trying to get into it. Which is why I read it. Their ghetto Lan party was crap and not ghetto, and their video card mod was also stupid as hell. Mine is so why better. The people that took them down proably were pissed about their crappy stuff.

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[melvyn]

Originally posted by Cryonosis:
I'm with Joe on this one, that setup suxs big. With the resevior in front of the radiator like that how the hell does air flow through the radiator.

Strangely enough, the pic of the system running is setup more-or-less correctly; they seperated the pump/res and radiator. Why the @#%& they put it together as one lump, only their twisted little minds must know!

and then can someone please explain to me the point of LOWERING the efficiency of your cooling setup? I'm trying to figure this one out. . .what is the point of pulling heat off the water block into the ambient air inside the computer case.

There was an article on overclockers.com a while back where someone put a HSF on his waterblock, to protect the system should the pump fail. But what happens when his fan fails?? System still cooks. That's why most bios I've looked at has the overtemp shutdown option. (That works just fine in my experience)

Man whomever wrote that review dun know jack about computers. Amazing how stupid some people can be and still think that they know a lot.

You know, sometimes I think the same thing when I read the hardware newsgroups; some people should just not be allowed to buy bare hardware. That's why Gateway exists... http://www.procooling.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Cryonosis]

Mortin wrote that? I shoulda checked that out, explains a lot. That 15yr old public school reject truly no nothing about anything, just waiting for them to crash hard. I don't like Mortin much due to previous encounters, so it will be a sweet sight for me when icrontic hits the bottom and noone's there to "donate" to his shoveling cause.

...what?...,

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[LiquidCool.Org]

did anybody happen to notice the part about putting the peltier(which he doesnt even have) between the heatsink and the block?

[Joe]

Yeh, can't wait to read about the disaster that will ensue soon after http://www.procooling.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Where the Completely Addicted Come to Cool Off

Somebody set up us the bomb.

[mfpmax]

Hey Joe, I should sign on as a writer and post nothing but "Not how to do stuff to your computer" articles and mention Apu/ISmokeCronic references like mad. Cause I could always use that heatsink I have on my video card and another videocard as a good example. And of course having tubes pointed at the cpu with water flowing directly everywhere.

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[xerka]

WoW i just read that review AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh stupid people what would we do with out them

[tourist]

HAHA. The reviewer is only 16!!!
and even the forum members are equally stupid :D
http://www.icronticforums.com/showthread.php?s=c9ae5067212c6c728a99c14e3d2246fe&postid=91630#post91630

[Overlag]

i love the way they stop the radiator from working by putting the RES in the way
totaly cool
/end rant

[Dix Dogfight]

They are even nice enough to show us how good it looks with air trapped in the tubes.

end rant

[LiquidCool]

Do you really have that PPro to 266? I bought 2 200mhz PPros with 1mb cache but then couldnt see spending so much on a mobo and DIMMs when I could get a xeon mobo with SDRAM for cheaper!

Always thought it would make a cool "retro" box, just because the processors are so massive!

[ItsSoLARGE]

dammit... I'm 16 too... well in december at least and heh.. well.. ask Joe and Cryo and I dont think Mortin from icrontic does.
Anyways go to pro/chat its fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun

[baymo]

Damn that system licks a fat cock.

They are complete f u c k i n morons. Hell im 15 and built my water cooler 4 bajillion times better then that POS. They need some SERIOUS help on how to cool down things......

[LiquidCool]

You get rid of that DD cube yet? :D

[mfpmax]

Wow, someone brought this one WAY from out of the grave

[Joe]

a lil icrontic bashing is healthy

[xy]

wow! I never knew that running a PC150 ram at 112MHz would be stable ;)

I found I was able to gradually increase the FSB to 112 MHz, with the machine finally hanging during the 3DMark2000 test when the FSB was set at 113MHz. At 112MHz, the memory bus is running at 149MHz. Not only was the Corsair 150MHz 100% stable at this frequency

look at there full review here (http://www.icrontic.com/index.php?page=public/articles&articleId=57)

[jastrckl]

Joe, quite frankly, you're a goon. Admittedly this guy has some problems, but you had a few brain farts criticizing him. #1 epoxying a block is pretty ghetto. But soldering one has it's own limitations... differences in the coefficients of expansion can cause stresses that can crack the bond, possibility (although remote) of galvanic corrosion, etc. #2 (the BIG one) HSF on the block which you claim tries to absorb heat from the ambient surroundings... this is preposterous. You're cooling that water with AMBIENT AIR. The best you can ever hope for in a perfect straight up watercooling system is whatever temperature ambient is.... how in the HELL is a heatsink on top of the block going to "collect" heat you tit!?-it's surrounded by the same ambient the radiator is!!!-In other words, it's just like the other radiator, only at a different point in the system. The _only_ disadvantage of that quirky setup is increasing the heatload of the case. Of course it doesn't do a whole whopping lot of good there either unless a disaster strikes like a pump failure which is certainly possible, but it's not the disaster you make it out to be. In any event Joe, if you aim to keep any respect I'd watch your words more carefully

[Butcher]

What's the big deal with epoxy? if you get the right stuff you can repair engine blocks with it, so why not a waterblock? :P

[LiquidCool]

Well Joe hasn't answered you yet so I guess I will...

Ok the problem with the Heatsink on the block is this. You said yourself that the block is being cooled with (hopefully) room temp water. Which usually places the block at room temp. Now, the inside of the case is being heated up by the air being pulled in through the radiator. Now your blowing that hot air over your heatsink on the block which heats it up and dumps it back in the water. Which goes to the radiator, and gets blown back into the case.

So you've effectively created a nice little oven. You NEVER suck into the case through the radiator. The point is to REMOVE the heat from the case to somewhere else, not dump it back in.

[Butcher]

Easy to solve that by ducting the radiator exhaust out the side of the case :)

[LiquidCool]

yeah but we are talking about ICraptic here. that would be to easy!

[Joe]

Well I will take some time out of my day to entertain your sorry argument:

Originally posted by jastrckl:
Joe, quite frankly, you're a goon. Admittedly this guy has some problems, but you had a few brain farts criticizing him. #1 epoxying a block is pretty ghetto. But soldering one has it's own limitations... differences in the coefficients of expansion can cause stresses that can crack the bond, possibility (although remote) of galvanic corrosion, etc.

You know, if you solder 2 pieces of the same material together, they expand at the same rate and there for the solder has little if any stress. Solder = one helluva stronger bond than glue.

#2 (the BIG one) HSF on the block which you claim tries to absorb heat from the ambient surroundings... this is preposterous. You're cooling that water with AMBIENT AIR. The best you can ever hope for in a perfect straight up watercooling system is whatever temperature ambient is.... how in the HELL is a heatsink on top of the block going to "collect" heat you tit!?-it's surrounded by the same ambient the radiator is!!!-In other words, it's just like the other radiator, only at a different point in the system.

Sigh... have you checked the ambient temp inside some boxes? with a hot GPU, Chipset, HD's, DVDROM's, etc... ambient in a box ( since many people who water cool seem to think they don’t need fans all of a sudden) can reach well over 105DegF. If you offer more surface to the air in the case, and if the water which is going past that HS is cooler than the internal case air, it will absorb heat from that HS. If you have a block that cant move the heat effectively to the water alone, maybe you need a new waterblock and not just slap a big ole ineffective HSF on top of it. Why not just get a good HSF at that point?

you tit.

The _only_ disadvantage of that quirky setup is increasing the heat load of the case. Of course it doesn't do a whole whopping lot of good there either unless a disaster strikes like a pump failure which is certainly possible, but it's not the disaster you make it out to be. In any event Joe, if you aim to keep any respect I'd watch your words more carefully.

One thing you will learn about me noob, I speak my mind, and tell it how it is, I don't hide my feelings about a product in order to keep people happy. Live with it, or make your own decision about a product. the truth is, YOU and you alone are the only person who can say if you like or dislike a product. I am just pointing out what I like/dislike about it. I personally respect people who have the balls to make their own choices in the world, not those who play by the rules of others. If you like the block that’s cool. I just pointed out what I see as flaws in it, take it or leave it.

God I hate these politically correct days... Ohh I hope I didn't hurt anyone’s feelings ... ;)

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Joe:
I just pointed out what I see as flaws in it, take it or leave it.
Good call.

[Kevin]

OMG i just read the article... I gotta say this pic is the funnies thing i've EVER seen related to H2O cooling...
http://www.icrontic.com/review_images/Hardware/A/aquastealth2/PICT0015_1.jpg
nice combo setup there! :)

[gmat]

Think of it like a propeller... Yeah, like planes. Look, it's already running across the carpet :)

[LiquidCool]

OMFG LET THIS THING DIE! PULL THE PLUG! CUT THE CORD!!! heheh