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Unread 03-15-2004, 05:03 PM   #27
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Can you give more info on: "I'd mention the "Cascade SS" (one of 5?, which I have) and "Cascade XXX" (in development) water blocks" ?

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"The other issue is that while pelt cooling is indeed extreme, it's really not energy efficient, and a phase change system is much more desirable, in that aspect." - Agreed... But a suitable peltier and PSU can be bought for £100.
Nice site! ( www.icetek-uk.com )


Going over the info you posted, you caught a lot of good info. You did however miss one point: the cold plate (aka spacer) purpose is to allow you to clamp the peltier to the block, and is required because that clamping pressure is beyond what a CPU can handle. That aside, you got the other purpose of the cold plate correct. (more info on this here: http://www.procooling.com/articles/h...__just_how.php )

You also appear to have missed that Intel specs call for an operational temperature of no less than the freezing point (not a concern if you're an enthusiast, but it is if you offer related products).

As for the cost, I was referring to the operational cost, not the purchase cost. Yes, you can slap something together pretty cheap, but the power usage is much higher than with a phase change system. A pelt can require more power than it can move, while a phase change unit would only require 1/3 of the power it moves. In most extremes, you use both.

The condensation issue has the potential to ruin a CPU and/or a motherboard, if no proper precautions have been taken. You may have gotten lucky, but it is quite possible to loose one or the other, to a single drop of water. For that reason, we recomend coating the whole motherboard and related peripheral cards with "conformal coating" (well, I recomend it!), as detailed here:
http://www.procooling.com/articles/h...per_coolin.php

That aside, water cooling will still outperform an air cooling solution, as has been measurably demonstrated here:
http://www.overclockers.com/articles373/wbsum.asp
and here:
http://www.overclockers.com/articles876/

(So to say that water cooling isn't worth it, is "innacurate"). There's also the quiet aspect of water cooling, that is so attractive, over an air cooled one.


The "Cascade" water block idea first appeared here:
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=6101

then evolved through here:
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=6666
(and in the OCAU Forums)

and is available here:
http://www.employees.org/~slf/lrwb/

Stew (Cathar) and I talked about it, and aside from the "XXX" version that's in development, it's not going to be beaten any time soon (so we're both working secretly on different ideas... ).

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