[nikhsub1]

Bill I do understand your point, really. However, it would have been prudent (still would be) for Swiftech to use other (additional) methods than just a TTV. Why is it that I still think the Apogee does well on the TTV because of base flexing and not because it actually performs better? This is why I think knowing the core temp is important as well, If we knew that, we'd have a much clearer picture. We all know Lee does great tests, takes his time etc. Now it is about how the blocks perform on a CPU? Seems that everyone with a die should chuck it out the window.