Project Log: Black Box Max3 V3.1 - Page 2

feathers · 03-07-2004, 09:36 AM

The setup looks good except for two things:

1: Watercooling without peltier cooling is a waste of time.

2: You've got the water flowing from the CPU to the chipset block and it would be better to reverse this: Have the chipset first and then into the CPU. This means that both the chipset and the CPU will get cooler water. Your existing setup means the chipset will get much hotter water.

pdf27 · 03-07-2004, 09:50 AM

1: Watercooling without peltier cooling is a waste of time.
No it isn't - without peltiers you will still get lower temperatures/lower noise/both without any significant increase in power consumption and with only a small extra risk of frying the electronics. Peltiers dramatically increase power consumption and complexity.

2: You've got the water flowing from the CPU to the chipset block and it would be better to reverse this: Have the chipset first and then into the CPU. This means that both the chipset and the CPU will get cooler water. Your existing setup means the chipset will get much hotter water.
Erm... how will slightly preheating the water in the chipset before it reaches the CPU mean the CPU gets cooler water? The chipest needs very little cooling in comparison with the CPU, so the coolest water should go to the CPU first as a rule. However, the temperature difference across a water block in a non-peltier system is pretty small anyway.

Maximilium · 03-07-2004, 11:13 PM

One of the things I didn’t wanted to use before on my computer was copper tubing, I had seen some rigs on the forums and I just didn’t like the looks. After a week of thinking I decided to try something different, since 90˚ pipe elbows seems like a good idea to eliminate some of the L-fittings I got on my rig. After a second look at my pluming I decided to eliminate some of my original ideas and replace sections of the pluming with copper lines, this way I can achieve the same goals with less tubing. Here are my first parts I constructed, after soldering, primer and painting with metallic blue to match my rads.

msv · 03-08-2004, 12:55 AM

Well, it sure looks really nice.
Any specs on that Johnson pump? 4 BIM:s and 2 90 degree elbows between CPU and NB blocks, sounds like some flow restriction to me.
regards
Mikael S.

Sc0rian · 03-08-2004, 02:18 AM

thats sweet dude.

Just saying, I upgraded mine a little. http://www.coolercases.co.uk/details/wc_ww_amd_alu.htm new block got a new chip AMD 2800.

Maximilium · 03-08-2004, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msv

Well, it sure looks really nice.
Any specs on that Johnson pump?

http://www.johnsonmarinepumps.com/sp...s/cm30p7_1.jpg

Maximilium · 03-12-2004, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sc0rian

thats sweet dude.

Just saying, I upgraded mine a little. http://www.coolercases.co.uk/details/wc_ww_amd_alu.htm new block got a new chip AMD 2800.

Nice block

Sc0rian · 03-13-2004, 03:34 AM

thanks mate

. I got it setup now. There are pics around bit and tech-mods.net and here. lol.

Maximilium · 03-28-2004, 04:09 AM

The New Pluming:

Voltimeter (reading only voltage to the pump, now i am runing the pumps from an external power supply 12V DC 60w)

Sc0rian · 03-28-2004, 04:36 AM

damn sweet

Maximilium · 03-28-2004, 07:29 PM

More pictures:

Fyber · 03-31-2004, 11:17 PM

Max: Excellent project. Your setup has inspired me to do mine in a similar way. I have a question though. On my IC7-max3, nothing happens when I pull out my CPU fan header. I like the relay system you have devised for it, but I'm really not sure why mine doesn't do that. Regardless of that, your rig is very nice looking, and I do like the green UV running through the tubes, as it does look very cool. Very nice work, although I feel some more wire/tube management could work. I'm not sure, something makes it look a bit unclean, but nonetheless, it's a great rig. Congrats!

Maximilium · 03-31-2004, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fyber

On my IC7-max3, nothing happens when I pull out my CPU fan header. I like the relay system you have devised for it, but I'm really not sure why mine doesn't do that.

You have to enable that option at the bios, by default that option is not enabled. I am happy you like my computer, make sure you post some pictures when you finish yours, good luck!

Maximilium · 04-01-2004, 12:31 AM

Here is the Aqua-tube Mod.

Fyber · 04-05-2004, 04:32 PM

Awesome man. I tried out the CPU thing, it does work extremely well.

Great work man, definately one of the most tricked out systems I've seen in awhile.

sandman · 04-08-2004, 09:31 PM

That is such an awesome system.

Might have cost alot, but I'd say if you're happy with it then it was money well spent.

LiCoolSolution · 04-10-2004, 05:24 PM

good job

nexxo · 04-24-2004, 06:21 AM

I'lll say it every time: that's a tasty PC. Nice to see others have discovered the joy of Phi-Ton hose clamps!

hitek420 · 12-09-2004, 09:34 AM

Yes, that PC is hot. (I bet it runs pretty cool though!)

I love the look of it, and I love the looks of all that ram.

Maximilium · 12-10-2004, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitek420

Yes, that PC is hot. (I bet it runs pretty cool though!)

I love the look of it, and I love the looks of all that ram.

Thanks dude, I am working on my next project, I be posting an interesting project log soon, here is a spoiler

Here are pictures for the first time, a before and after look, work in progress...

jman1310 · 12-10-2004, 03:33 AM

Nice looking system.
Did you consider using one pump for a loop CPU and the other for a loop GPU and NB? This might reduce flow restrictions and would be rather easy to plum.

Maximilium · 12-10-2004, 07:48 AM

Yes, In my next computer Thats exactly what I am going to do

03-07-2004, 09:50 AM	#27
pdf27 Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Horsham, UK Posts: 140	1: Watercooling without peltier cooling is a waste of time. No it isn't - without peltiers you will still get lower temperatures/lower noise/both without any significant increase in power consumption and with only a small extra risk of frying the electronics. Peltiers dramatically increase power consumption and complexity. 2: You've got the water flowing from the CPU to the chipset block and it would be better to reverse this: Have the chipset first and then into the CPU. This means that both the chipset and the CPU will get cooler water. Your existing setup means the chipset will get much hotter water. Erm... how will slightly preheating the water in the chipset before it reaches the CPU mean the CPU gets cooler water? The chipest needs very little cooling in comparison with the CPU, so the coolest water should go to the CPU first as a rule. However, the temperature difference across a water block in a non-peltier system is pretty small anyway. __________________ Member of the paramilitary wing of CAMRA

03-07-2004, 11:13 PM	#28
Maximilium Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 68	work in progress One of the things I didn’t wanted to use before on my computer was copper tubing, I had seen some rigs on the forums and I just didn’t like the looks. After a week of thinking I decided to try something different, since 90˚ pipe elbows seems like a good idea to eliminate some of the L-fittings I got on my rig. After a second look at my pluming I decided to eliminate some of my original ideas and replace sections of the pluming with copper lines, this way I can achieve the same goals with less tubing. Here are my first parts I constructed, after soldering, primer and painting with metallic blue to match my rads. Last edited by Maximilium; 04-15-2005 at 07:36 PM.

03-08-2004, 12:55 AM	#29
msv Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 336	Well, it sure looks really nice. Any specs on that Johnson pump? 4 BIM:s and 2 90 degree elbows between CPU and NB blocks, sounds like some flow restriction to me. regards Mikael S. __________________ The only constant factor in all Your failures is You. Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnen mihi habis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.

03-28-2004, 04:09 AM	#34
Maximilium Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 68	Update Black Box v4.02 The New Pluming: Voltimeter (reading only voltage to the pump, now i am runing the pumps from an external power supply 12V DC 60w) __________________ Maximilium Last edited by Maximilium; 04-15-2005 at 07:37 PM.

03-28-2004, 07:29 PM	#36
Maximilium Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 68	More pictures: __________________ Maximilium Last edited by Maximilium; 04-15-2005 at 07:37 PM.

03-07-2004, 09:36 AM	#26
feathers Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: UK Posts: 81	The setup looks good except for two things: 1: Watercooling without peltier cooling is a waste of time. 2: You've got the water flowing from the CPU to the chipset block and it would be better to reverse this: Have the chipset first and then into the CPU. This means that both the chipset and the CPU will get cooler water. Your existing setup means the chipset will get much hotter water.

03-08-2004, 02:18 AM	#30
Sc0rian Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Suffolk.UK Posts: 92	thats sweet dude. Just saying, I upgraded mine a little. http://www.coolercases.co.uk/details/wc_ww_amd_alu.htm new block got a new chip AMD 2800.

03-13-2004, 03:34 AM	#33
Sc0rian Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Suffolk.UK Posts: 92	thanks mate . I got it setup now. There are pics around bit and tech-mods.net and here. lol.

03-28-2004, 04:36 AM	#35
Sc0rian Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Suffolk.UK Posts: 92	damn sweet

03-31-2004, 11:17 PM	#37
Fyber Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 28	Max: Excellent project. Your setup has inspired me to do mine in a similar way. I have a question though. On my IC7-max3, nothing happens when I pull out my CPU fan header. I like the relay system you have devised for it, but I'm really not sure why mine doesn't do that. Regardless of that, your rig is very nice looking, and I do like the green UV running through the tubes, as it does look very cool. Very nice work, although I feel some more wire/tube management could work. I'm not sure, something makes it look a bit unclean, but nonetheless, it's a great rig. Congrats!

04-01-2004, 12:31 AM	#39
Maximilium Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 68	Here is the Aqua-tube Mod. __________________ Maximilium Last edited by Maximilium; 04-15-2005 at 07:38 PM.

04-05-2004, 04:32 PM	#40
Fyber Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 28	Awesome man. I tried out the CPU thing, it does work extremely well. Great work man, definately one of the most tricked out systems I've seen in awhile.

04-08-2004, 09:31 PM	#41
sandman Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 50	That is such an awesome system. Might have cost alot, but I'd say if you're happy with it then it was money well spent.

04-10-2004, 05:24 PM	#42
LiCoolSolution Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: france Posts: 15	good job

04-24-2004, 06:21 AM	#43
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	I'lll say it every time: that's a tasty PC. Nice to see others have discovered the joy of Phi-Ton hose clamps! __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness"

12-09-2004, 09:34 AM	#44
hitek420 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canada, home of nature cooling Posts: 9	Yes, that PC is hot. (I bet it runs pretty cool though!) I love the look of it, and I love the looks of all that ram.

12-10-2004, 03:33 AM	#46
jman1310 Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 246	Nice looking system. Did you consider using one pump for a loop CPU and the other for a loop GPU and NB? This might reduce flow restrictions and would be rather easy to plum.

12-10-2004, 07:48 AM	#47
Maximilium Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 68	Yes, In my next computer Thats exactly what I am going to do __________________ Maximilium

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