"Nazca" - Waterblock Concept - Page 5

bigben2k · 07-26-2006, 07:26 PM

Fan controller?

Captain Slug · 07-26-2006, 09:26 PM

Nope, it's a plug-bus. Or rather one half mounts on the edge of the motherboard tray, the other to the case.
You connect the motherboard, pump, fans, and lights to the tray half with standard cable extensions, then connect the power supply, fan controller, switches, etcetera to the case half. It makes/disconnects all of the connections at the same time (including SATA which will be a seperate part that won't require a PCB).
The end effect is I can remove or install the whole motherboard tray without having to unplug a single cable. As a safe-guard two small solenoids will prevent the tray from being removed while the machine is turned on.

This is my first original PCB design and I've been working on it and learning how to design/make them since September of last year.

bigben2k · 07-28-2006, 02:55 PM

Ah! I can see that coming in handy!

jaydee · 08-02-2006, 07:19 PM

Got the block today. Will be getting the bench tuned up and start testing things this weekend.

Captain Slug · 08-05-2006, 11:06 PM

Yaaaaaaaaaay. Let the anticipation commence.

jaydee · 08-05-2006, 11:36 PM

Nazca Vs. AquaXtreme MP1-CPU.

The Nazca is a very good block for a DIY'er. It flows very well to. I managed 8LPM for the Nazca and only 6.5LPM for the MP1-CPU block.

At .5LPM the MP1 was 3C cooler at 6LPM about 1.5C cooler.

Tomorrow I will add a few more blocks to the mix.

Colt357tw · 08-06-2006, 01:24 AM

not bad at all for a DIY water block, congrate

Captain Slug · 08-06-2006, 03:44 AM

Hooray! Not bad for a first-timer and that's kind of inline with what I was expecting.
I REALLY appreciate your help jaydee. If there's any artwork, CAD work, etc. you would like done let me know.

jaydee · 08-06-2006, 04:33 PM

If you are not in to big a hurry to get the block back I will take a dP reading aswell. I just need a meter to read the FoxBoro dP meter. Ordering today.

Also have a MP-05 SP on the bench right now. Will add to the chart when done.

Captain Slug · 08-06-2006, 06:48 PM

No hurry. I have alot of other stuff I can work on before I get around to putting my loop together.

jaydee · 08-06-2006, 07:53 PM

MP-05 Pro added. The MP-05 Pro is little more restrictive but better at lower flow rates. This is the one wiht the multiple hole jet. I managed 5.8LPM with this block.

Moto7451 · 08-06-2006, 08:45 PM

Nice results so far. Are you going to do more tests with other blocks or do you have any other tests you've done on your test bench we can compare it to?

jaydee · 08-06-2006, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Moto7451

Nice results so far. Are you going to do more tests with other blocks or do you have any other tests you've done on your test bench we can compare it to?

I have AquaXtreme IceFloe and White Water LE to run through as well. Takes me about 8 hours to run a block through. Have to wait until next weekend until I have that much time. Hopefully I can get the dP meter going as well.

Moto7451 · 08-06-2006, 09:28 PM

Wow, thats a lot. Is that 8 hours supervised or is it something you can setup and come back to every few hours?

jaydee · 08-06-2006, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Moto7451

Wow, thats a lot. Is that 8 hours supervised or is it something you can setup and come back to every few hours?

I usually stay in the same room as I don't have any safe guards setup in case something fails. After each flow rate adjustment I let it run for a couple hours to let equilibrium set in and take a reading.

ricecrispi · 08-06-2006, 11:42 PM

I think that is not just "not bad at all for a DIY", it is excellent performance. Inbetween
TDX and Whitewater and can be improved on.

He's still missing the middle jets and I think he can get better flow rates by opening the outlets

pepshki · 08-07-2006, 01:00 AM

very nice work what kind of milling machine are you using?....i'm planning on buying a mini lathe hope it will work for what i want to do..

Captain Slug · 08-07-2006, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ricecrispi

He's still missing the middle jets and I think he can get better flow rates by opening the outlets

I remade the nozzle plate before assembling the block and it includes the 4 nozzles in the very center.

I'm wondering what kind of affect on performance changing the channels in the base to straight ones would have.

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Originally Posted by pepshki

very nice work what kind of milling machine are you using?....i'm planning on buying a mini lathe hope it will work for what i want to do..

I used a huge 1973 3-axis Bridgeport manual mill. This block would have been a million time easier and faster to make using CNC, but I do not currently have affordable access to that kind of equipment.

pepshki · 08-07-2006, 01:43 AM

man that's really nice work but where are the blue leds? lol....yea cnc machines are expensive... im getting one of these i think http://www.mini-lathe.com/Mini_mill/Main/mini-mill.htm but i already have a drill press...maybe i should jsut get a better x y vice ....its a mini miller/lathe kidna thing looks pretty good... who knows

pepshki · 08-07-2006, 02:03 AM

i hear about you guys lapping the block how do you do that? i just put some sand paper on a flat peice of aluminum stock and put my sand paper acording to how smooth i wanted it... is that what you do or what?

Captain Slug · 08-07-2006, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by pepshki

man that's really nice work but where are the blue leds?

I hate blue. I'll be using orange and red, but I don't have that setup yet because it's the absolute last step in my project.

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Originally Posted by pepshki

i hear about you guys lapping the block how do you do that? i just put some sand paper on a flat peice of aluminum stock and put my sand paper acording to how smooth i wanted it... is that what you do or what?

I used a granite block to step up from 600grit to 800grit, then up to 1000grit wet sanding paper with white vinegar. You sand 10 times in one orientation (NOT in an orbital patter) then rotate 90 degrees, and repeat.

ricecrispi · 08-07-2006, 03:36 PM

I don't think it will change much having straight channels. Easier and faster to build the block and might get better flow rates but very minimal.

ricecrispi · 08-07-2006, 03:51 PM

capt slug, can the nozzle jets be removed? Wonder how the WB performs without the nozzle plate and if the jets offer any perforamnce improvements.

mx · 08-07-2006, 04:17 PM

Nice work on the WB!

And now some thread highjacking:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Slug

I used a granite block to step up from 600grit to 800grit, then up to 1000grit wet sanding paper with white vinegar. You sand 10 times in one orientation (NOT in an orbital patter) then rotate 90 degrees, and repeat.

I use the standard method with a piece of glass, 600-2000grit etc...

I read something interesting over at overclockers.com about using the IHS to lap the WB and vice versa. This way they wouldn't get perfectly flat but they would mate perfectly which would be even better.

Captain Slug · 08-07-2006, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ricecrispi

capt slug, can the nozzle jets be removed? Wonder how the WB performs without the nozzle plate and if the jets offer any perforamnce improvements.

Yeah. I don't think the block would perform better without them though.

07-26-2006, 07:26 PM	#101
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Fan controller? __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-26-2006, 09:26 PM	#102
Captain Slug Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: VA Posts: 129	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Nope, it's a plug-bus. Or rather one half mounts on the edge of the motherboard tray, the other to the case. You connect the motherboard, pump, fans, and lights to the tray half with standard cable extensions, then connect the power supply, fan controller, switches, etcetera to the case half. It makes/disconnects all of the connections at the same time (including SATA which will be a seperate part that won't require a PCB). The end effect is I can remove or install the whole motherboard tray without having to unplug a single cable. As a safe-guard two small solenoids will prevent the tray from being removed while the machine is turned on. This is my first original PCB design and I've been working on it and learning how to design/make them since September of last year.

07-28-2006, 02:55 PM	#103
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Ah! I can see that coming in handy! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

08-02-2006, 07:19 PM	#104
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Got the block today. Will be getting the bench tuned up and start testing things this weekend.

08-05-2006, 11:06 PM	#105
Captain Slug Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: VA Posts: 129	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Yaaaaaaaaaay. Let the anticipation commence.

08-06-2006, 01:24 AM	#107
Colt357tw Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Taiwan Posts: 55	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept not bad at all for a DIY water block, congrate __________________ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...d/ddd3685a.jpg

08-06-2006, 03:44 AM	#108
Captain Slug Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: VA Posts: 129	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Hooray! Not bad for a first-timer and that's kind of inline with what I was expecting. I REALLY appreciate your help jaydee. If there's any artwork, CAD work, etc. you would like done let me know. Last edited by Captain Slug; 08-06-2006 at 03:56 AM.

08-06-2006, 04:33 PM	#109
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept If you are not in to big a hurry to get the block back I will take a dP reading aswell. I just need a meter to read the FoxBoro dP meter. Ordering today. Also have a MP-05 SP on the bench right now. Will add to the chart when done.

08-06-2006, 06:48 PM	#110
Captain Slug Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: VA Posts: 129	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept No hurry. I have alot of other stuff I can work on before I get around to putting my loop together.

08-06-2006, 08:45 PM	#112
Moto7451 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: LA, CA Posts: 53	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Nice results so far. Are you going to do more tests with other blocks or do you have any other tests you've done on your test bench we can compare it to? __________________ Athlon 64 3200+ Rev F @ 2.4Ghz (and climbing) @ 1.53v, DFI Infinity UltraII-M2, 512MB Apple Micron D9 DDR2 @ 400MHz (DDR2 800) 5-5-5-12 @ 2v, 128MB Radeon X800 @ 460/900, Dual 120GB HDs in RAID 0 Loop 1: D5 Pump • Bonneville w/ AC Heater Core • Swiftech MCW6002 • Gemini Tsunami VGA block • Gemini Tsunami S478 block (cold side chiller block) 110W 16v TEC @ 60W 12v Loop 2: PC Watercooling Shop 12v Water Pump • PCWCS 80.2 Rad • Gemini Tsunami (hot side chiller block)

08-06-2006, 09:28 PM	#114
Moto7451 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: LA, CA Posts: 53	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Wow, thats a lot. Is that 8 hours supervised or is it something you can setup and come back to every few hours? __________________ Athlon 64 3200+ Rev F @ 2.4Ghz (and climbing) @ 1.53v, DFI Infinity UltraII-M2, 512MB Apple Micron D9 DDR2 @ 400MHz (DDR2 800) 5-5-5-12 @ 2v, 128MB Radeon X800 @ 460/900, Dual 120GB HDs in RAID 0 Loop 1: D5 Pump • Bonneville w/ AC Heater Core • Swiftech MCW6002 • Gemini Tsunami VGA block • Gemini Tsunami S478 block (cold side chiller block) 110W 16v TEC @ 60W 12v Loop 2: PC Watercooling Shop 12v Water Pump • PCWCS 80.2 Rad • Gemini Tsunami (hot side chiller block)

08-06-2006, 11:42 PM	#116
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept I think that is not just "not bad at all for a DIY", it is excellent performance. Inbetween TDX and Whitewater and can be improved on. He's still missing the middle jets and I think he can get better flow rates by opening the outlets Last edited by ricecrispi; 08-06-2006 at 11:52 PM.

08-07-2006, 01:00 AM	#117
pepshki Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ca Posts: 24	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept very nice work what kind of milling machine are you using?....i'm planning on buying a mini lathe hope it will work for what i want to do..

08-07-2006, 01:43 AM	#119
pepshki Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ca Posts: 24	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept man that's really nice work but where are the blue leds? lol....yea cnc machines are expensive... im getting one of these i think http://www.mini-lathe.com/Mini_mill/Main/mini-mill.htm but i already have a drill press...maybe i should jsut get a better x y vice ....its a mini miller/lathe kidna thing looks pretty good... who knows

08-07-2006, 02:03 AM	#120
pepshki Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ca Posts: 24	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept i hear about you guys lapping the block how do you do that? i just put some sand paper on a flat peice of aluminum stock and put my sand paper acording to how smooth i wanted it... is that what you do or what?

08-07-2006, 03:36 PM	#122
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept I don't think it will change much having straight channels. Easier and faster to build the block and might get better flow rates but very minimal.

08-07-2006, 03:51 PM	#123
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept capt slug, can the nozzle jets be removed? Wonder how the WB performs without the nozzle plate and if the jets offer any perforamnce improvements.

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