What cpu is best currently?

Brad · 10-28-2002, 02:07 AM

If money was no object, would you take a P4 2800 or an Athlon 2800+?

g.l.amour · 10-28-2002, 07:39 AM

well, the P4 will prolly allow you a larger OC, which can be satisfying. the 2800+ will let you free the mult, which gives u endless oc pleasure of testing and retesting which is fastest.

airspirit · 10-28-2002, 12:08 PM

WTF is a Z80? An 8bit processor for networking? Is that supposed to be sarcasm? I'm afraid I don't really get it.

mfpmax · 10-28-2002, 12:53 PM

My vote was for the Z...cause it is...DA BOMB

bigben2k · 10-28-2002, 02:17 PM

Zilog all the way!

clone · 10-28-2002, 03:10 PM

http://www.ee.washington.edu/circuit...micro/z80.html

Brad · 10-29-2002, 12:39 AM

I'm going to blame some other mod for that

pHaestus · 10-29-2002, 10:32 PM

There is only one of these two choices that is actually available for purchase...

decodeddiesel · 10-29-2002, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pHaestus
There is only one of these two choices that is actually available for purchase...

Sadly I'm afraid I would have to nod to this statement and go with the Intel.

mfpmax · 10-29-2002, 11:57 PM

but you can purchase a Zilog

KnightElite · 10-31-2002, 12:09 AM

Teh Zilog goodness must be mine! Send it to me!

.

Seriously, I voted for the 2800+. Should be a kick ass overclocker, and I can see it hitting close to 3GHz with extreme cooling.

Can O' Beans · 10-31-2002, 12:09 AM

I'd go for a P4, but thats just my personal prefference right now(just got a 1.6A to play around with

) .

The XPs don't look bad either

I've seen them get a lot better performance due to being able to get the FSB & RAM speeds up a lot higher than the P4 (by unlocking the XP) But I don't follow it all too much, so I'm unaware of the capabilities of these new chips.

And I have a Z80 sitting here as well. Wonder how high it will overclock with watercooling!!

pHaestus · 10-31-2002, 12:24 AM

AMD is all about "bang for buck" and getting low speed chips and o/cing the crap outta them. When someone says "money is no object" then they want the best. That would be the top end P4.

KnightElite: If AMD had good yields on the 2800+s, then we certainly wouldn't be seeing the dearth of 2400-2800+ chips. No, AMD is hand picking the 2800+s (recall that they mentioned it was a limited edition CPU), and they are apparently having trouble filling in stock for 2400+, 2600+, AND 2700+ as is.

Wherefore art thou Barton? This Christmas would be a good time for such....

iceheart · 10-31-2002, 01:24 PM

If you have a scientific Texas Instrument calculator there's a good chance that it has a Z80 in it

bigben2k · 10-31-2002, 01:43 PM

I have to admit, following Brad's statement, that price being equal, I'd lean towards the P4, but all in all, I think I'd still pick the Athlon.

Having reviewed mounting solutions recently, the Intel offering is much nicer: 100 lbs max clamping pressure, versus 30. That IHS is really nice, but it is near impossible to lap, considering the mechanics of it, as described by BillA.

I can't wait to see what AMD comes up with, if anything.

pHaestus · 10-31-2002, 02:42 PM

Is the 100 lb force, in itself, a good thing? It is a requirement to offset the crappy interface between the IHS and the core, correct? I have heard 10-12C lower temperatures upon removal (a scary proposition, however).

I'd buy a P4 and give it a whirl, but I don't need another computer at the moment.

utabintarbo · 11-01-2002, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pHaestus

I'd buy a P4 and give it a whirl, but I don't need another computer at the moment.

As if necessity were a consideration!

MeltMan · 11-01-2002, 09:15 AM

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Vector86 · 11-01-2002, 10:00 AM

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pHaestus · 11-01-2002, 03:41 PM

fanboyism is bad. Let's think logically. Someone dig up some benches? 2800+ vs. whatever the highest Intel chip is with most aggressive memory timings possible?

bigben2k · 11-01-2002, 03:46 PM

I've seen P4 2.8 vs AXP 2800+, and the different benchmarks go one way or the other, depending on the application/benchmark.

Overclocked, I would suspect that the P4 would perform overall better due to its bigger memory bandwidth.

It all comes down to usage. AMD has a better FPU, unless the software used is optimized for Intel's latest feature.

mfpmax · 11-01-2002, 04:42 PM

My Gameboy owns both of them!

Brad · 11-02-2002, 03:01 PM

I'm waiting for a nforce2 2800+ compared to a P4 2.8ghz with a granite bay motherboard test to be done.

but by then the 3.06ghz will be out - which will probably be the faster cpu overall.

View Poll Results: What would you choose?
TBred 2800+	14	51.85%
P4 2800mhz	13	48.15%
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10-28-2002, 02:07 AM	#1
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10-28-2002, 12:08 PM	#3
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10-28-2002, 12:53 PM	#4
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	My vote was for the Z...cause it is...DA BOMB __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

10-28-2002, 02:17 PM	#5
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Zilog all the way! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

10-28-2002, 07:39 AM	#2
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	well, the P4 will prolly allow you a larger OC, which can be satisfying. the 2800+ will let you free the mult, which gives u endless oc pleasure of testing and retesting which is fastest.

10-28-2002, 03:10 PM	#6
clone Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2001 Location: West Springfield, MA Posts: 160	http://www.ee.washington.edu/circuit...micro/z80.html

10-29-2002, 12:39 AM	#7
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	I'm going to blame some other mod for that __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

10-29-2002, 10:32 PM	#8
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	There is only one of these two choices that is actually available for purchase...

10-29-2002, 11:57 PM	#10
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	but you can purchase a Zilog __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

10-31-2002, 12:09 AM	#11
KnightElite Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Posts: 294	Teh Zilog goodness must be mine! Send it to me! . Seriously, I voted for the 2800+. Should be a kick ass overclocker, and I can see it hitting close to 3GHz with extreme cooling. __________________ Can anyone else here say that they have a watercooled monster that's 45" tall?

10-31-2002, 12:09 AM	#12
Can O' Beans Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Pa - USA Posts: 264	I'd go for a P4, but thats just my personal prefference right now(just got a 1.6A to play around with ) . The XPs don't look bad either I've seen them get a lot better performance due to being able to get the FSB & RAM speeds up a lot higher than the P4 (by unlocking the XP) But I don't follow it all too much, so I'm unaware of the capabilities of these new chips. And I have a Z80 sitting here as well. Wonder how high it will overclock with watercooling!!

10-31-2002, 12:24 AM	#13
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	AMD is all about "bang for buck" and getting low speed chips and o/cing the crap outta them. When someone says "money is no object" then they want the best. That would be the top end P4. KnightElite: If AMD had good yields on the 2800+s, then we certainly wouldn't be seeing the dearth of 2400-2800+ chips. No, AMD is hand picking the 2800+s (recall that they mentioned it was a limited edition CPU), and they are apparently having trouble filling in stock for 2400+, 2600+, AND 2700+ as is. Wherefore art thou Barton? This Christmas would be a good time for such....

10-31-2002, 01:24 PM	#14
iceheart Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Yonder Posts: 318	If you have a scientific Texas Instrument calculator there's a good chance that it has a Z80 in it __________________ "If the majority is smarter than you, does that make everyone else a geek, or does it make you retarded?" - pHaestus

10-31-2002, 01:43 PM	#15
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	I have to admit, following Brad's statement, that price being equal, I'd lean towards the P4, but all in all, I think I'd still pick the Athlon. Having reviewed mounting solutions recently, the Intel offering is much nicer: 100 lbs max clamping pressure, versus 30. That IHS is really nice, but it is near impossible to lap, considering the mechanics of it, as described by BillA. I can't wait to see what AMD comes up with, if anything. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

10-31-2002, 02:42 PM	#16
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Is the 100 lb force, in itself, a good thing? It is a requirement to offset the crappy interface between the IHS and the core, correct? I have heard 10-12C lower temperatures upon removal (a scary proposition, however). I'd buy a P4 and give it a whirl, but I don't need another computer at the moment.

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11-01-2002, 03:41 PM	#20
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	fanboyism is bad. Let's think logically. Someone dig up some benches? 2800+ vs. whatever the highest Intel chip is with most aggressive memory timings possible?

11-01-2002, 03:46 PM	#21
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	I've seen P4 2.8 vs AXP 2800+, and the different benchmarks go one way or the other, depending on the application/benchmark. Overclocked, I would suspect that the P4 would perform overall better due to its bigger memory bandwidth. It all comes down to usage. AMD has a better FPU, unless the software used is optimized for Intel's latest feature. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

11-01-2002, 04:42 PM	#22
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	My Gameboy owns both of them! __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

11-02-2002, 03:01 PM	#23
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	I'm waiting for a nforce2 2800+ compared to a P4 2.8ghz with a granite bay motherboard test to be done. but by then the 3.06ghz will be out - which will probably be the faster cpu overall. __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

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