New Design: Ww+rotor - Page 2

Balinju · 03-27-2003, 02:55 PM

ok then i will go for the 2 flute for my first try

jaydee · 03-27-2003, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by Balinju
ok then i will go for the 2 flute for my first try

It might be worth getting a few other opinions though. I could very well be doing something different or wrong that may cause them to gum up. I don;t have a lot of experience with anything under a 1/8" endmill. I had a 1mm given to me but was only able to make a few shallow strait passes with it as it was already dull. But my little mill loves the smaller end mill. I lost the lead screw to my collet set though.

Going to have to replace that soon.

Balinju · 03-28-2003, 07:42 AM

any body has any comments on the design???

i would like to hear something, to improve maybe

bigben2k · 03-28-2003, 08:43 AM

Is this a center inlet, dual-outlet design?

Balinju · 03-28-2003, 08:56 AM

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Originally posted by bigben2k
Is this a center inlet, dual-outlet design?

give me 15 min i will post a cad design with the top and the middle plate

Balinju · 03-28-2003, 09:03 AM

sorry ben i think that i'm gonna take more than 15min because i changed part of the 2nd layer and have to start it all over again, you know cad

Balinju · 03-28-2003, 09:20 AM

ok so here it is. i changed the way water is going to enter the block. i don't know if there is a name for this but here is the concept. in the block there are 7x7 holes of 2mm each, in the second layer there are 5x5 holes 1.5mm each. the top layer will be smaller in height that the thread of the barb so that the thread of the barb enters in the hole that there is in the second layer round the holes.

there are 2 x 3/8" outlets and 1 x 1/2" inlet. hope that you understand the diagram. btw i am planning that both the second layer and the top will be made out of perspex

Balinju · 03-28-2003, 09:26 AM

this is a close up view of the second layer

jaydee · 03-28-2003, 09:49 AM

I tried this once. http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=5476

No good. Holes to close to each other and all it did was drop flow rate.

Balinju · 03-28-2003, 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by jaydee116
I tried this once. http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=5476

No good. Holes to close to each other and all it did was drop flow rate.

10x jaydee, so i have to redesign the 2nd layer again

Balinju · 03-28-2003, 09:58 AM

jaydee what do you think of this layout, making small holes like the one shown and make 3 x 3 1.5mm each instead of 5, 3mm between each edge??

Blackeagle · 03-28-2003, 10:25 AM

Two thoughts,

Turbulence caused as water hits each of the drilled holes in the channels does not disapate instantly upon going back into a straight walled section. Thus you could reduce the number of holes drilled with little or no loss of performace due to turbulence. And a reduction of say 1/3 to 1/2 the number of holes drilled would also give you back some fin mass. Would also save time and improve ease of making it.

And I would use a impingement slit instead of holes. A slit should give slightly lower head loss than a series of holes of the same total open area due to reduced wall contact. Would also be much easier to cut than a set of very tiny holes, agian saving time.

Keep in mind that while this sounds good to me, I havn't tried anything of the sort. This is offered only in a attempt to help add some ideas, not from hands on experiance.

Wish I could afford a small mill.

Balinju · 03-28-2003, 10:33 AM

10q blackeagel, i will reduce the number of holes in the water block later on because tomorrow i have an exam and i need to study. on the top, that what i was thinking of but for now here is the concept of the inpingement.

i could do both, one with holes and the other with slit and see which one is the best

i also changes the input to 5/8". i know that it is too big but it is enough to fit 3 holes for the inpingement.

here is the 2nd layer. any comments

jaydee · 03-28-2003, 10:39 AM

BlackEagle summed it up well. I also agree with his slit cut idea as that is what Cathar uses on the White Water BUT I have one mod to that. Instead of just one strait slit, make a + slit. That way water will get into all the channels and an extra bit of flow rate directed dead center. Just a thought I have been playing with myself. Thats what I plan to use on my REV 2.0 when I get around to it.

Balinju · 03-28-2003, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by jaydee116
BlackEagle summed it up well. I also agree with his slit cut idea as that is what Cathar uses on the White Water BUT I have one mod to that. Instead of just one strait slit, make a + slit. That way water will get into all the channels and an extra bit of flow rate directed dead center. Just a thought I have been playing with myself. Thats what I plan to use on my REV 2.0 when I get around to it.

10q jaydee. i also was opting for a + slit. before i design the holes in the 2nd layer, i was thinking of a + slit but i thought that holes would be better since the bottom of the block are holes. i got it now that slit is better, but still i would try them both to see the difference

Balinju · 03-28-2003, 10:47 AM

i have a question to ask, how wide should the slit be and how long?

bigben2k · 03-28-2003, 10:55 AM

One thing: if you're going to limit the matrix of the pin holes to 5x5 or 3x3, you're not shooting any water in the outer channels, which means that that water is just going to sit there, no? I mean, your channels are seperated, to where they don't flow into each other!

I think you should be looking into a pinhole array that's 7 by x.

jaydee · 03-28-2003, 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by Balinju
i have a question to ask, how wide should the slit be and how long?

I just had a idea. How about a hole per channel in a strait l style line. If the tops of the channel walls will touch the peice above it, it should act as a seperator keeping each hole contained in each channel. If the hole diameter is the same as the width of the channel and perfectly placed it should work. How well I don't know. Anyone understand what I am saying?

Balinju · 03-28-2003, 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by bigben2k
One thing: if you're going to limit the matrix of the pin holes to 5x5 or 3x3, you're not shooting any water in the outer channels, which means that that water is just going to sit there, no? I mean, your channels are seperated, to where they don't flow into each other!

I think you should be looking into a pinhole array that's 7 by x.

ohh holy sh*t you are fuc*in' right. i forgot that. i have to switch to the slit than. how wide must it be??

hara · 03-28-2003, 11:46 AM

For a 13mm slit that would be about 2-3mm depending on pump pressure.

Balinju · 03-28-2003, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by jaydee116
I just had a idea. How about a hole per channel in a strait l style line. If the tops of the channel walls will touch the peice above it, it should act as a seperator keeping each hole contained in each channel. If the hole diameter is the same as the width of the channel and perfectly placed it should work. How well I don't know. Anyone understand what I am saying?

yes understood, and i like your idea

Balinju · 03-28-2003, 12:11 PM

is this what you ment jaydee??

jaydee · 03-28-2003, 12:27 PM

Yes, exactly. If the channel walls touch the top of that peice and seal off each hole to each channel you should be able to control the flow of each channel and tweak it to the maximum effeciency. You might even be able to get 2 holes in the middle channels.

I might be way off base but it is a thought. Only thing that makes this different than a slit is you can make each hole bigger or smaller to tweak every channel. If you just use a slit and the channel walls touch the top you will still have the same effect but you will not be able to adjust the flow in each channel aswell. In theory anyway.

Balinju · 03-28-2003, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by jaydee116
Yes, exactly. If the channel walls touch the top of that peice and seal off each hole to each channel you should be able to control the flow of each channel and tweak it to the maximum effeciency. You might even be able to get 2 holes in the middle channels.

I might be way off base but it is a thought. Only thing that makes this different than a slit is you can make each hole bigger or smaller to tweak every channel. If you just use a slit and the channel walls touch the top you will still have the same effect but you will not be able to adjust the flow in each channel aswell. In theory anyway.

i can't make the holes bigger because they touch exaclty with each other. what i could make is for example in the middle channel i can put 3 holes

jaydee · 03-28-2003, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by Balinju
i can't make the holes bigger because they touch exaclty with each other. what i could make is for example in the middle channel i can put 3 holes

You can make them longer, not wider up and down, but left to right. Kinda like making a slit for each channel.

03-27-2003, 02:55 PM	#26
Balinju Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 495	ok then i will go for the 2 flute for my first try __________________ So the bullet proof vest aint a $hit when d laser is pointed to your head Kid

03-28-2003, 07:42 AM	#28
Balinju Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 495	any body has any comments on the design??? i would like to hear something, to improve maybe __________________ So the bullet proof vest aint a $hit when d laser is pointed to your head Kid

03-28-2003, 08:43 AM	#29
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Is this a center inlet, dual-outlet design? __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

03-28-2003, 09:03 AM	#31
Balinju Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 495	sorry ben i think that i'm gonna take more than 15min because i changed part of the 2nd layer and have to start it all over again, you know cad __________________ So the bullet proof vest aint a $hit when d laser is pointed to your head Kid

03-28-2003, 09:58 AM	#36
Balinju Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 495	jaydee what do you think of this layout, making small holes like the one shown and make 3 x 3 1.5mm each instead of 5, 3mm between each edge?? __________________ So the bullet proof vest aint a $hit when d laser is pointed to your head Kid

03-28-2003, 09:49 AM	#34
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	I tried this once. http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=5476 No good. Holes to close to each other and all it did was drop flow rate.

03-28-2003, 10:25 AM	#37
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	Two thoughts, Turbulence caused as water hits each of the drilled holes in the channels does not disapate instantly upon going back into a straight walled section. Thus you could reduce the number of holes drilled with little or no loss of performace due to turbulence. And a reduction of say 1/3 to 1/2 the number of holes drilled would also give you back some fin mass. Would also save time and improve ease of making it. And I would use a impingement slit instead of holes. A slit should give slightly lower head loss than a series of holes of the same total open area due to reduced wall contact. Would also be much easier to cut than a set of very tiny holes, agian saving time. Keep in mind that while this sounds good to me, I havn't tried anything of the sort. This is offered only in a attempt to help add some ideas, not from hands on experiance. Wish I could afford a small mill.

03-28-2003, 10:39 AM	#39
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	BlackEagle summed it up well. I also agree with his slit cut idea as that is what Cathar uses on the White Water BUT I have one mod to that. Instead of just one strait slit, make a + slit. That way water will get into all the channels and an extra bit of flow rate directed dead center. Just a thought I have been playing with myself. Thats what I plan to use on my REV 2.0 when I get around to it.

03-28-2003, 10:47 AM	#41
Balinju Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 495	i have a question to ask, how wide should the slit be and how long? __________________ So the bullet proof vest aint a $hit when d laser is pointed to your head Kid

03-28-2003, 10:55 AM	#42
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	One thing: if you're going to limit the matrix of the pin holes to 5x5 or 3x3, you're not shooting any water in the outer channels, which means that that water is just going to sit there, no? I mean, your channels are seperated, to where they don't flow into each other! I think you should be looking into a pinhole array that's 7 by x. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

03-28-2003, 11:46 AM	#45
hara Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Malta, Mediterranean Posts: 662	For a 13mm slit that would be about 2-3mm depending on pump pressure. __________________ - Every great HD crash day is the day before back-up day. - My Past System - "Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven." - Milton, Paradise Lost. - FMZ

03-28-2003, 12:27 PM	#48
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Yes, exactly. If the channel walls touch the top of that peice and seal off each hole to each channel you should be able to control the flow of each channel and tweak it to the maximum effeciency. You might even be able to get 2 holes in the middle channels. I might be way off base but it is a thought. Only thing that makes this different than a slit is you can make each hole bigger or smaller to tweak every channel. If you just use a slit and the channel walls touch the top you will still have the same effect but you will not be able to adjust the flow in each channel aswell. In theory anyway.

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