Lies, and more lies... OCWC's secret is out.. its WatercooledCPU.com - Page 3

Joe · 02-03-2002, 10:11 PM

OK for those who missed it here are some comments from the watercooledcpu.com website:

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You may recall my attempts at independent lab testing of all the major watercooling manufacturers equipment last year. It was a dismal failure as no one seemed to want independent lab testing of their equipment to be publicized except for a couple of quality manufacturers. You can see the original offer and results here.

After testing all the available equipment I could afford on my own (over $5000 worth) I have decided to carry the best equipment I have found based on extensive testing, quality, performance, and price.

Nice eh?
Its good to see a nice ethical company speaking the truth and helping out the consumers by sellign only the stuff thats the best, based on independent testing.... yes that was sarcasim...

This is all about that segment above... I am not saying that he screwed everyone ever, I am saying that he misled and lied to people using the false name, false website, and false info. And he did NOT treat all companies baddly, I did have 2 come back and say Chip was a pleasure to do business with. With all that said it does not offset the staggering numbers of people and companies that did NOT have the same success.

and as for the P&G meantion chip made earlier, There is are laws that prohibit false advertising, or intentionally misleading ad's.

Pyrotechnic · 02-03-2002, 10:36 PM

i've never seen anything like this before. Chip thinks that you guys are trying to put him out of business. He's forgeting the the 1st amendment of the constitution, freedom of speech. We can bad mouth his company all we want, can he do anything ? HELL NO !! To top it all off, chip is blowing smoke up our asses, i bet he doesn't even have an attourney or anything. He knows good and well what he's done. On ProChat, someone pointed out the Jessica Treckle from watercooledcpu.com, was a fake name, and "treckle," was "eckert" backwards with an added "L". Sometimes chip did send people their stuff, and others he just screwed over for their money. Opening a "company" to test his products and make them look good is simply un-ethical. I think he should be brought to justice for what he's done

Joe · 02-03-2002, 11:10 PM

ok guys here are some ICQ Log dumps from chip to me: Keep in mind he registered watercooledcpu.com 3/27/01

4/5/01 9:31am- from Chip:

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seen this ?
www.waterooledcpu.com

4/5/01 9:41am- from Chip:

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so far looks like the competition is gonna be mighty slim....

4/7/01 11:43am- from Chip:

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And I've already sent a box of my hardware to www.watercooledcpu.com
From a couple conversations with her, it appears that no one else other than me & Infinipro even has the balls to let a lab LOOK at their stuff or even acknowledge the invitation. Makes me wonder...

5/22/01 5:24am- from Chip:

Quote:

I was SO looking forward to this competition.... but it looks like most of the major players are WUSSY CANDY ASS LITTLE GIRLS.. it won''t even be a challenge
www.watercooledcpu.com

I think that speaks for itself...

Pyrotechnic · 02-03-2002, 11:11 PM

thats all the evidence you need, you've got him !

Kevin · 02-03-2002, 11:23 PM

Chip... a child trapped in a man's body... a large man's body...
-Kev

Joe · 02-03-2002, 11:50 PM

Oh man this is funny and ironic:
3/5/01 5:55pm- from Chip:

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It annoys me when poeple out & out lie.... I'm not going to do ANYTHING special for anyone ever again... it doesn't pay.

Pyrotechnic · 02-04-2002, 12:13 AM

ROFL

LOL

jaani · 02-04-2002, 12:39 AM

Ahh, the irony.

DigitalChaos · 02-04-2002, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CileGray
I'm sure you all wanna put a face to this jackass... so you can kick his ass if you see him walking down the street... chances are he'll be carrying your money with him... here goes :

Picture of Chip (Really... it IS him, no lies)

http://www.abnormalcy.com/~Hindaine/...es/defaul1.jpg

and how did you get this?

DigitalChaos · 02-04-2002, 12:48 AM

man... this post is crazy... im not sure what i think here... i KNOW something is up and i dont doubt what happened... my personal experience with chip was great, i made a $100 order a few weeks ago and got it with very little delay (he was out for about 3 days because he said his mobo died)

it would be great if chip made a public statement about all of this on his webpage or something... it would be nice to see his side of this whole thing DIRECTLY FROM HIM. that way there is no room for misinterpretation.

i really hope everyone gets this resolved because it is terrible to see this happen to a hobby scene where there are very few suppliers, thus making it easy for one vendor to take advantage of its own people.

DarkEdge · 02-04-2002, 01:05 AM

I for one am someone who got burned by Chip. Although I do think its time to chill out and let the behind the scenes stuff take place. Don't get me wrong, i'm all for him getting screwed if its possible, but I think we just need to move on.

Collect information, handle it properlly, and let the ones who got ripped off follow through. All we can do is make people aware like we did with OCZ. Just stay away.

P.S. Hope chip takes it in the ass if he really did cheat companies out of money and otehr customers.

Joe · 02-04-2002, 01:06 AM

http://www.abnormalcy.com/~Hindaine/...es/defaul1.jpg
Holysheeet thats the ugliest "jessica" I have ever seen!!

DigitalChaos · 02-04-2002, 01:08 AM

well if that is chip... i dont know if its legal to be posting his picture without consent on the internet... now dont everyone go correcting me because im just curious myself as if that is illegal

jkstang · 02-04-2002, 02:17 AM

Ok instead of ranting and posting my e-mail messages with Chip, I am going to try and do the mature thing and move on....

I guess my only recourse is to write off the purchase as thieft and file it as such on my income tax return. My dealings with OCWC has left a distinct taste in my mouth, but I am willing to wait until Feb 9 as I had stated in my final message to OCWC before taking action of any kind. I told Chip I would wait until Feb. 9 for a response and I will remain true to my word.

Even though I still have a bad taste in my mouth, I find myself wanting to complete my case project. (I simply refuse to let this deter me after all the effort and money I have already put into this). Therefore, in the likely event I never again hear from Mr. Eckert, I am seeking an alternative source of HWLabs BI2 and BIX. HWLabs lists CaseEtc as a US source, but they do not seem to have anything other than the BI Prime. Can anyone HONESTLY point me to a RELIABLE source in the US for HWLabs products?

Thank You,
jkstang

PS. As for the legality of posting photos of individuals, The Internet is no different from any other information media. The laws may vary from state-state and country-country. Where I live you do not need the expressed permission of an individual to post a photograph, as long as it is in a public setting. However, the above photo appears to be in a private setting (such as a photography studio), and as such unless he personally posted that photo to a public site, then certain complicated issues could arrise. If it were me, I would remove/edit the linkage out, to err the side of causion.

AL666 · 02-04-2002, 02:56 AM

That's the same photo he uses in ICQ, so it's already publicly available to everyone... I don't think it's a big deal... but I'm not an attorney, so I might be wrong though...

Brad · 02-04-2002, 03:20 AM

if chip uploaded the link himself, then how can he do anything?

jkstang · 02-04-2002, 03:46 AM

Well, that's exactly my point....

If Chip posted the photo (or the link to the photo) on an open forum or public site, it is no longer recognized as his personal or private property. If he posts the photo (or link to said photo) explicit permission to reuse is infered unless otherwise stated at the time of posting. Once posted, all rights and privillages are relinquished and the photo becomes public domain.

At least that's how it works where I come from....

Any ideas as to where I can acquire HWlabs products other than OCWC?

jkstang · 02-04-2002, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
if chip uploaded the link himself, then how can he do anything?

So, to answer your question directly....

He can't. Not a *amn thing.

TNT2bluz · 02-04-2002, 06:40 AM

Very interesting.

Not only do I get burned, I also get slandered.

UnaClocker · 02-04-2002, 08:25 AM

We still love you Willie..

TNT2bluz · 02-04-2002, 09:04 AM

Una...don't look at me that way....

Joe · 02-04-2002, 09:33 AM

It is over. Here is a copy and paste of whats on OCWC's main page:

Quote:

I would like to apologize to all my 13,000+ customers. Overclock-Watercool is no longer doing business on the web.

Due to some catastrophic events this year outside my control, some bad business decisions, and very bad judgment in setting up a website called watercooledcpu.com the situation has become untenable. Watercooledcpu was conceived as marketing ploy and as so many concepts do, at the time seemed like a good idea. In retrospect it was disrespectful and deceptive to my clientele . I apologize to you all.

If you have a paid order or a refund pending, please send your receipts or pertinent information to [oob@overclock-watercool.com] to expedite the process. All refunds will be made & all orders will be shipped.

I am locking the thread, and getting on with life. I am very pleased to see that OCWC has taken the responsibility for its actions.

02-03-2002, 11:23 PM	#65
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	Chip... a child trapped in a man's body... a large man's body... -Kev __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

02-04-2002, 12:39 AM	#68
jaani Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 40	Ahh, the irony. __________________ jaani. website. computer. e-mail.

02-04-2002, 01:06 AM	#72
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	http://www.abnormalcy.com/~Hindaine/...es/defaul1.jpg Holysheeet thats the ugliest "jessica" I have ever seen!! __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

02-04-2002, 03:20 AM	#76
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	if chip uploaded the link himself, then how can he do anything? __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

02-04-2002, 06:40 AM	#79
TNT2bluz Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Secret Staging Grounds Ganymede Posts: 104	Very interesting. Not only do I get burned, I also get slandered. Last edited by TNT2bluz; 02-04-2002 at 07:50 AM.

02-03-2002, 10:36 PM	#62
Pyrotechnic Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 240	i've never seen anything like this before. Chip thinks that you guys are trying to put him out of business. He's forgeting the the 1st amendment of the constitution, freedom of speech. We can bad mouth his company all we want, can he do anything ? HELL NO !! To top it all off, chip is blowing smoke up our asses, i bet he doesn't even have an attourney or anything. He knows good and well what he's done. On ProChat, someone pointed out the Jessica Treckle from watercooledcpu.com, was a fake name, and "treckle," was "eckert" backwards with an added "L". Sometimes chip did send people their stuff, and others he just screwed over for their money. Opening a "company" to test his products and make them look good is simply un-ethical. I think he should be brought to justice for what he's done

02-03-2002, 11:11 PM	#64
Pyrotechnic Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 240	thats all the evidence you need, you've got him !

02-04-2002, 12:13 AM	#67
Pyrotechnic Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 240	ROFL LOL

02-04-2002, 12:48 AM	#70
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	man... this post is crazy... im not sure what i think here... i KNOW something is up and i dont doubt what happened... my personal experience with chip was great, i made a $100 order a few weeks ago and got it with very little delay (he was out for about 3 days because he said his mobo died) it would be great if chip made a public statement about all of this on his webpage or something... it would be nice to see his side of this whole thing DIRECTLY FROM HIM. that way there is no room for misinterpretation. i really hope everyone gets this resolved because it is terrible to see this happen to a hobby scene where there are very few suppliers, thus making it easy for one vendor to take advantage of its own people.

02-04-2002, 01:05 AM	#71
DarkEdge Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sugar Land, Tx Posts: 176	I for one am someone who got burned by Chip. Although I do think its time to chill out and let the behind the scenes stuff take place. Don't get me wrong, i'm all for him getting screwed if its possible, but I think we just need to move on. Collect information, handle it properlly, and let the ones who got ripped off follow through. All we can do is make people aware like we did with OCZ. Just stay away. P.S. Hope chip takes it in the ass if he really did cheat companies out of money and otehr customers.

02-04-2002, 01:08 AM	#73
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	well if that is chip... i dont know if its legal to be posting his picture without consent on the internet... now dont everyone go correcting me because im just curious myself as if that is illegal

02-04-2002, 02:17 AM	#74
jkstang Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: [H]ard\|OCP Posts: 5	Ok instead of ranting and posting my e-mail messages with Chip, I am going to try and do the mature thing and move on.... I guess my only recourse is to write off the purchase as thieft and file it as such on my income tax return. My dealings with OCWC has left a distinct taste in my mouth, but I am willing to wait until Feb 9 as I had stated in my final message to OCWC before taking action of any kind. I told Chip I would wait until Feb. 9 for a response and I will remain true to my word. Even though I still have a bad taste in my mouth, I find myself wanting to complete my case project. (I simply refuse to let this deter me after all the effort and money I have already put into this). Therefore, in the likely event I never again hear from Mr. Eckert, I am seeking an alternative source of HWLabs BI2 and BIX. HWLabs lists CaseEtc as a US source, but they do not seem to have anything other than the BI Prime. Can anyone HONESTLY point me to a RELIABLE source in the US for HWLabs products? Thank You, jkstang PS. As for the legality of posting photos of individuals, The Internet is no different from any other information media. The laws may vary from state-state and country-country. Where I live you do not need the expressed permission of an individual to post a photograph, as long as it is in a public setting. However, the above photo appears to be in a private setting (such as a photography studio), and as such unless he personally posted that photo to a public site, then certain complicated issues could arrise. If it were me, I would remove/edit the linkage out, to err the side of causion.

02-04-2002, 02:56 AM	#75
AL666 Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The City Posts: 104	That's the same photo he uses in ICQ, so it's already publicly available to everyone... I don't think it's a big deal... but I'm not an attorney, so I might be wrong though...

02-04-2002, 03:46 AM	#77
jkstang Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: [H]ard\|OCP Posts: 5	Well, that's exactly my point.... If Chip posted the photo (or the link to the photo) on an open forum or public site, it is no longer recognized as his personal or private property. If he posts the photo (or link to said photo) explicit permission to reuse is infered unless otherwise stated at the time of posting. Once posted, all rights and privillages are relinquished and the photo becomes public domain. At least that's how it works where I come from.... Any ideas as to where I can acquire HWlabs products other than OCWC?

02-04-2002, 08:25 AM	#80
UnaClocker Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 514	We still love you Willie.. __________________ The UnaClocker Watercooler Extraordinaire! Overclock till it goes BOOM!

02-04-2002, 09:04 AM	#81
TNT2bluz Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Secret Staging Grounds Ganymede Posts: 104	Una...don't look at me that way....

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