Danger Den GPU Block 9700--->9800?

Nomjr · 08-07-2003, 03:40 PM

Will the DD gpu block for the 9700pro fit on a 9800 pro?

BladeRunner · 08-07-2003, 09:12 PM

I can't see why not, I have both cards here and that area looks 100% the same to me.

Nomjr · 08-08-2003, 10:03 AM

Thanks for checking BladeRunner ...

BrianW · 09-01-2003, 11:01 PM

Do you think the GeForce4 GPU block will work with the 9800pro video cards? Do they have that little shim around the GPU core? Is the block smaller than that shim? I just bought a Saphire 9800 pro ultimate(waiting for mail from newegg), and want to watercool it.

Thanks,

BrianW

BladeRunner · 09-02-2003, 03:39 AM

I can't really comment on commercial GPU blocks as I haven't seen any in the flesh, choosing to make my own. The main problem with The Radeon 9xxx is the shim. To ensure full and good core contact it will either need to be removed, a simple operation, but cards have been trashed doing this, or to have some shim relief designed into the waterblock. I prefer not to modify the card so design my blocks to avoid the shim. You'd have to investigate which commercial blocks have shim relief, as just the fact it says it fit's the Radeon 9xxx series is not a guarantee it has shim relief. Unless a GF4 block is also designed to fit Radeon 9xxx it wont have shim relief, (or the correct hole spacing), and even if it is designed to fit the Radeons, like I Said, this doesn't ensure it will avoid the shim.

The current 9800 pro reference sink has a raised core centre on the heatsink base, so ATI saw this as an issue and implemented the most simple fix solution, that laughably negates the point of the shim altogether

The Radeon 9xxx series have two diagonal retention holes that are the same as Geforce 3, (I've only had 9700 & 9800 pro only so others in the range may differ), Geforce 4 has a much wider hole spacing.

Jewfro · 09-02-2003, 02:47 PM

BrianW: If you got the Maze4 GPU block then it should indeed fit, mine has holes for both geforce and radeon cards.

BrianW · 09-02-2003, 02:58 PM

Well I was impatient once again, so I decided to go with the older Dangerden GPU block. The plexi top one. It seems to be a good GPU block in it's own right.

BrianW

Jewfro · 09-02-2003, 03:44 PM

lol Well we'll know soon.

starbuck3733t · 09-04-2003, 08:09 AM

yeah pls post as to whether the old DD block has shim relief or not.

if not, out comes the belt sander I guess.

FallOutBoyTonto · 09-04-2003, 11:08 AM

Just wondering, is there any difference in mounting between the Radeon cards and the All-In-Wonder cards? I'm thinking of getting an AIW 9800 Pro. Currently have 9700 Pro with swiftech MCW50-T.

Jewfro · 09-04-2003, 06:59 PM

Definitely not the belt sander....the shim can be pried off with enough cold and a sharp knife. There shouldn't be any difference in the reg/aiw cards except the larger blocks might not fit due to the big converter block.

BrianW · 09-04-2003, 08:01 PM

Well I just got the Saphire radeon 9800 pro card in, and it appears the GPU is higher than the shim anyways. I will have to get the big ass passive heatsink/heatpipe off, and then I will know for sure. I will update you all.

BrianW

Kumakichi · 09-12-2003, 06:12 AM

I was wondering the same thing about the AIW. I have a ATI AIW 9700 pro and I'm lookin at gpu blocks.

starbuck3733t · 09-12-2003, 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by Jewfro
Definitely not the belt sander....the shim can be pried off with enough cold and a sharp knife. There shouldn't be any difference in the reg/aiw cards except the larger blocks might not fit due to the big converter block.

LOLERSKATES! The beltsander was for teh block not the card! I'd like to be able to return it to stock if I ever need to.

Kumakichi · 09-12-2003, 12:16 PM

I spoke to someone at Danger Den this morning and they told me that the Maze 4 GPU block doesn't work with the AIW. Not sure why and neither was he. I emailed there tech support to see if they recommend any of there blocks for the AIW.

BrianW · 09-14-2003, 12:20 AM

Well the 9700 block from Dangerden fit in the die, but the barbs would not clear the ram heatsinks, which are very low profile. Oh well, guess I will go for the Swiftech offering, or if I can get assurance the Geforce4 Block from DD wil lwork with the 9800 Pro from Saphire...

BrianW

Jewfro · 09-14-2003, 12:46 PM

Mmmmm.....well the maze4 gpu block should be the same no matter radeon or geforce.....you just use different mounting holes. What might work is their old gpu block that has the angled fittings. You can always just get rotor to make you a gpu block with higher 90 degree barbs =/

08-07-2003, 03:40 PM	#1
Nomjr Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: So Cal Posts: 9	Danger Den GPU Block 9700--->9800? Will the DD gpu block for the 9700pro fit on a 9800 pro?

08-07-2003, 09:12 PM	#2
BladeRunner Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Chesterfield Uk Posts: 459	I can't see why not, I have both cards here and that area looks 100% the same to me. __________________ Zero Fan Zone

09-01-2003, 11:01 PM	#4
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	Do you think the GeForce4 GPU block will work with the 9800pro video cards? Do they have that little shim around the GPU core? Is the block smaller than that shim? I just bought a Saphire 9800 pro ultimate(waiting for mail from newegg), and want to watercool it. Thanks, BrianW __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 *waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg)

09-02-2003, 03:39 AM	#5
BladeRunner Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Chesterfield Uk Posts: 459	I can't really comment on commercial GPU blocks as I haven't seen any in the flesh, choosing to make my own. The main problem with The Radeon 9xxx is the shim. To ensure full and good core contact it will either need to be removed, a simple operation, but cards have been trashed doing this, or to have some shim relief designed into the waterblock. I prefer not to modify the card so design my blocks to avoid the shim. You'd have to investigate which commercial blocks have shim relief, as just the fact it says it fit's the Radeon 9xxx series is not a guarantee it has shim relief. Unless a GF4 block is also designed to fit Radeon 9xxx it wont have shim relief, (or the correct hole spacing), and even if it is designed to fit the Radeons, like I Said, this doesn't ensure it will avoid the shim. The current 9800 pro reference sink has a raised core centre on the heatsink base, so ATI saw this as an issue and implemented the most simple fix solution, that laughably negates the point of the shim altogether The Radeon 9xxx series have two diagonal retention holes that are the same as Geforce 3, (I've only had 9700 & 9800 pro only so others in the range may differ), Geforce 4 has a much wider hole spacing. __________________ Zero Fan Zone

09-02-2003, 02:58 PM	#7
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	Well I was impatient once again, so I decided to go with the older Dangerden GPU block. The plexi top one. It seems to be a good GPU block in it's own right. BrianW __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 *waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg)

08-08-2003, 10:03 AM	#3
Nomjr Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: So Cal Posts: 9	Thanks for checking BladeRunner ...

09-02-2003, 02:47 PM	#6
Jewfro Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 33	BrianW: If you got the Maze4 GPU block then it should indeed fit, mine has holes for both geforce and radeon cards.

09-02-2003, 03:44 PM	#8
Jewfro Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 33	lol Well we'll know soon.

09-04-2003, 08:09 AM	#9
starbuck3733t Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: State College, PA Posts: 338	yeah pls post as to whether the old DD block has shim relief or not. if not, out comes the belt sander I guess. __________________ Goliath: 3.4E@3.91/Abit IC7, Maze4 (temporarily) + custom splitter to crazy 4-way watercooling parallel loop: X800XT @ 520/1280 + AC Twinplex, AC Twinplex Northbridge, Silenstar Dual HDD Cooler, Eheim1250, '85 econoline van HC + 2x120, 1x120 exhaust - polished aluminum frame panaflo L1As, 2x18GB 10K RPM U160 SCSI, 4GB PC4000. I wanna be BladeRunner when I grow up! Project Goliath - nearing completion.

09-04-2003, 11:08 AM	#10
FallOutBoyTonto Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nunavut - Canada Posts: 35	Just wondering, is there any difference in mounting between the Radeon cards and the All-In-Wonder cards? I'm thinking of getting an AIW 9800 Pro. Currently have 9700 Pro with swiftech MCW50-T.

09-04-2003, 06:59 PM	#11
Jewfro Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 33	Definitely not the belt sander....the shim can be pried off with enough cold and a sharp knife. There shouldn't be any difference in the reg/aiw cards except the larger blocks might not fit due to the big converter block.

09-04-2003, 08:01 PM	#12
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	Well I just got the Saphire radeon 9800 pro card in, and it appears the GPU is higher than the shim anyways. I will have to get the big ass passive heatsink/heatpipe off, and then I will know for sure. I will update you all. BrianW __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 *waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg)

09-12-2003, 06:12 AM	#13
Kumakichi Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: US East Coaster Posts: 4	I was wondering the same thing about the AIW. I have a ATI AIW 9700 pro and I'm lookin at gpu blocks.

09-12-2003, 12:16 PM	#15
Kumakichi Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: US East Coaster Posts: 4	I spoke to someone at Danger Den this morning and they told me that the Maze 4 GPU block doesn't work with the AIW. Not sure why and neither was he. I emailed there tech support to see if they recommend any of there blocks for the AIW.

09-14-2003, 12:20 AM	#16
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	Well the 9700 block from Dangerden fit in the die, but the barbs would not clear the ram heatsinks, which are very low profile. Oh well, guess I will go for the Swiftech offering, or if I can get assurance the Geforce4 Block from DD wil lwork with the 9800 Pro from Saphire... BrianW __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 *waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg)

09-14-2003, 12:46 PM	#17
Jewfro Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 33	Mmmmm.....well the maze4 gpu block should be the same no matter radeon or geforce.....you just use different mounting holes. What might work is their old gpu block that has the angled fittings. You can always just get rotor to make you a gpu block with higher 90 degree barbs =/

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