XP2500 unclockable?

Aardil · 02-26-2004, 01:02 AM

I just put together another PC

Barton 2500+
NF7-S
400 ram (1 gig)

With my own system I knew it wouldnt O/C but you could fudge the FSB to 200 and make it run at 3200.

Well on this one it wont do 200 FBS, anything over 166 causes it to either loop at boot or I get a BSOD.

Anyone heard anything about this? are the latest Bartons fully locked? or am I just crazy?

Aardil

Wildfrogman · 02-26-2004, 01:10 AM

What type/brand of ram do you have? Try upping the voltage and relax the timings. 2.5,3,3,11 and make sure your psu can handle the power draw. List your system specs and it will be easier to figure out what to change around so it overclocks.

Aardil · 02-27-2004, 01:00 AM

Ok
List of parts

Abit NF7-S MB Rev. 2.0
Silicon Image 3112 Bios version 20
I checked the newest Bios and Abit says there is no change as far as the newer versions of Bios ( as far as the NF7-S is concerned ) all changes in bios are for the AN7 boards guess they use the same Bios.
Batron 2500+ CPU
Crucial 400Mhz DDR (2 sticks 512 Mb each total 1 Gig)
SEAGATE Sata drives 80 GB (2) in Raid 0+ 160 GB total
Enermax EG425-VE SFMA (420 watt)
Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB ram
Herules Fotisimo 7.1 Sound card

Cooling
Innovatek Rev 3.0 CPU Block
Chevette Heater core
Enhiem 1250 pump
120MM fan (shrouded ) currently running at 5 volts

Power looks good and it doesnt help if I bump voltages.
Ram timming is currently set to optimal 8/3/3/3.0
and FBS will go up to 190 Stable
FBS 195 will get into windows but bench mark (3D mark 2001 SE and others) fail to launch
Tried everything I can think of as far as timing and it makes no difference.

Beginning to wonder if it isnt the video card, maybe the FBS change is throwing the Video off.
Any thoughts?

Aardil

superart · 02-27-2004, 01:27 AM

My Thoroughbred-B 2400+ came unlocked, and currently runs 2Ghz @200FSB with cooling that couldn't get more stock. But that probably doesnt help you much.

But my roomate is running his barton 2500+ at 2Ghz, 200MhzFSB(400DDR), with a really shitty watercooling rig that has more bubbles than a....ummm....uuuuhh.....something that has a lot of bubbles :shrug:

JakeX · 02-27-2004, 10:54 AM

Try setting your timings on your ram to something like 11-3-3-2.5
Your barton 2500+ should do 11x200. Mine does at least.. gonna push it more when my last WC part comes in for the setup i'm doing

Aardil · 02-27-2004, 09:33 PM

Tried all settings, and voltage bumped in stages to max, still no 200 FBS

Final top performance
FBS 190 Stable
Multi X11
Windows reports Processor as a 2.10 ( guessing thats about 3000)
Memory timing 8/3/3/3.0

3D Mark 2001se score : 16371
3D Mark 03 score : 5478
Aquamark 3 score : 39228 (breakdown) GFX 5466, CPU7135
PC Mark 04 score : 3768

BadPenguin · 03-02-2004, 11:27 PM

what voltage did you get up to? It takes about 1.90-1.95 volts to bump my amd 2500 barton to 3200 speeds (it sucks I know). But im assuming its the way there building the chips now.. or maby its something else.. eather way, it took a good amount of voltage to get to my 3200 (did i mention it got hot? <-- its on original heatsink/fan, watercoolings comming with the 2400+ mobile i orderd.)

Aardil · 03-03-2004, 12:09 AM

tried all voltages from stock to max nothing made it better.
Also even at 190 it wouldnt play everquest for more than a couple mintues. Had to drop back to 185 FBS to make game stable.
I believe they (AMD) are now locking the FBS also.
The PC is the exact same thing as my Gamer PC ( I do have a bit better water cooling setup) but all Hardware is identical.
My Gamer does 3200 at stock voltage and gives me no trouble at all.
My chip was bought when they first locked the multiplier. 11x is all it will do but I can change FBS to 200+ and have no problems.
The latest disaster was bought about a couple weeks ago.
It the only logical thing I can think of.

cristoff · 03-03-2004, 12:57 PM

oh stop the insanity!!!!

ITS FSB!

ndtinker · 03-03-2004, 01:25 PM

heh, My 2500 does 2.2Ghz at 1.775v (200x11) with the stock AMD heatsink, idles at 115F. Perfectly stable. Back when I did watercooling, it could do 2.3Gigs (200x11.5). I'm using Corsair XMS3200 Ram.

Butcher · 03-04-2004, 08:21 AM

Barton's are usually good. Mine is multiplier locked but does 2.2G at stock voltage (water cooled).

Karlmcwade · 03-12-2004, 06:44 PM

I built a rig for a work college a while back and it was locked and also refused to run at 200fsb stable. It was only happy at 190fsh, too

02-26-2004, 01:02 AM	#1
Aardil Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 174	XP2500 unclockable? I just put together another PC Barton 2500+ NF7-S 400 ram (1 gig) With my own system I knew it wouldnt O/C but you could fudge the FSB to 200 and make it run at 3200. Well on this one it wont do 200 FBS, anything over 166 causes it to either loop at boot or I get a BSOD. Anyone heard anything about this? are the latest Bartons fully locked? or am I just crazy? Aardil

02-27-2004, 01:27 AM	#4
superart Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: FL Posts: 787	My Thoroughbred-B 2400+ came unlocked, and currently runs 2Ghz @200FSB with cooling that couldn't get more stock. But that probably doesnt help you much. But my roomate is running his barton 2500+ at 2Ghz, 200MhzFSB(400DDR), with a really shitty watercooling rig that has more bubbles than a....ummm....uuuuhh.....something that has a lot of bubbles :shrug: __________________ When you do things right, people won't be sure youv'e done anything at all. Looking to buy/trade for used Deep Fryer and Vacume Pack Sealer.

02-27-2004, 10:54 AM	#5
JakeX Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Windsor, Ontario Posts: 23	Try setting your timings on your ram to something like 11-3-3-2.5 Your barton 2500+ should do 11x200. Mine does at least.. gonna push it more when my last WC part comes in for the setup i'm doing __________________ \| AMD 2500+ @ 3200+ (205x11@1.65v) on Epox 8rda+ \| 512 PC3200 DDR400 Samsung 6-3-3-2.5 \| ATI 9700pro 128MB (365/315) ------------------------------------------------------

03-03-2004, 12:57 PM	#9
cristoff Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass Posts: 185	oh stop the insanity!!!! ITS FSB! __________________ fr33t3chi3

03-03-2004, 01:25 PM	#10
ndtinker Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Medina, TN Posts: 30	heh, My 2500 does 2.2Ghz at 1.775v (200x11) with the stock AMD heatsink, idles at 115F. Perfectly stable. Back when I did watercooling, it could do 2.3Gigs (200x11.5). I'm using Corsair XMS3200 Ram. __________________ -=:: Deus Ex Machina ::=- Jackson, TN's ONLY LAN Group http://www.jacksongamingleague.com

02-26-2004, 01:10 AM	#2
Wildfrogman Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: USA Posts: 31	What type/brand of ram do you have? Try upping the voltage and relax the timings. 2.5,3,3,11 and make sure your psu can handle the power draw. List your system specs and it will be easier to figure out what to change around so it overclocks.

02-27-2004, 01:00 AM	#3
Aardil Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 174	Ok List of parts Abit NF7-S MB Rev. 2.0 Silicon Image 3112 Bios version 20 I checked the newest Bios and Abit says there is no change as far as the newer versions of Bios ( as far as the NF7-S is concerned ) all changes in bios are for the AN7 boards guess they use the same Bios. Batron 2500+ CPU Crucial 400Mhz DDR (2 sticks 512 Mb each total 1 Gig) SEAGATE Sata drives 80 GB (2) in Raid 0+ 160 GB total Enermax EG425-VE SFMA (420 watt) Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB ram Herules Fotisimo 7.1 Sound card Cooling Innovatek Rev 3.0 CPU Block Chevette Heater core Enhiem 1250 pump 120MM fan (shrouded ) currently running at 5 volts Power looks good and it doesnt help if I bump voltages. Ram timming is currently set to optimal 8/3/3/3.0 and FBS will go up to 190 Stable FBS 195 will get into windows but bench mark (3D mark 2001 SE and others) fail to launch Tried everything I can think of as far as timing and it makes no difference. Beginning to wonder if it isnt the video card, maybe the FBS change is throwing the Video off. Any thoughts? Aardil

02-27-2004, 09:33 PM	#6
Aardil Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 174	Tried all settings, and voltage bumped in stages to max, still no 200 FBS Final top performance FBS 190 Stable Multi X11 Windows reports Processor as a 2.10 ( guessing thats about 3000) Memory timing 8/3/3/3.0 3D Mark 2001se score : 16371 3D Mark 03 score : 5478 Aquamark 3 score : 39228 (breakdown) GFX 5466, CPU7135 PC Mark 04 score : 3768

03-02-2004, 11:27 PM	#7
BadPenguin Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 41	what voltage did you get up to? It takes about 1.90-1.95 volts to bump my amd 2500 barton to 3200 speeds (it sucks I know). But im assuming its the way there building the chips now.. or maby its something else.. eather way, it took a good amount of voltage to get to my 3200 (did i mention it got hot? <-- its on original heatsink/fan, watercoolings comming with the 2400+ mobile i orderd.)

03-03-2004, 12:09 AM	#8
Aardil Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 174	tried all voltages from stock to max nothing made it better. Also even at 190 it wouldnt play everquest for more than a couple mintues. Had to drop back to 185 FBS to make game stable. I believe they (AMD) are now locking the FBS also. The PC is the exact same thing as my Gamer PC ( I do have a bit better water cooling setup) but all Hardware is identical. My Gamer does 3200 at stock voltage and gives me no trouble at all. My chip was bought when they first locked the multiplier. 11x is all it will do but I can change FBS to 200+ and have no problems. The latest disaster was bought about a couple weeks ago. It the only logical thing I can think of.

03-04-2004, 08:21 AM	#11
Butcher Thermophile Join Date: May 2001 Location: UK Posts: 1,064	Barton's are usually good. Mine is multiplier locked but does 2.2G at stock voltage (water cooled). __________________ Once upon a time, in a land far far away...

03-12-2004, 06:44 PM	#12
Karlmcwade Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 30	I built a rig for a work college a while back and it was locked and also refused to run at 200fsb stable. It was only happy at 190fsh, too __________________ M-xp 2600+ @ 245x12=2940 Cooling tower 512mb ram at 11-2-2-2, 3.2v bh5 Abit AN7 VRM heatsinks x800xt pe records 2nd on orb for 9800se, on xp with mxp 20903 member of the 3ghz Mxp club (just not stable yet 3144mhz )

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