Michael Moore

PlawsWorth · 03-26-2003, 04:20 PM

Anyone that has seen his movie, Bowling For Columbine and his Oscar speech or his tv show. I do have to admit i'm a fan of both his show, speech and movie. Since i'm a non american born guy I have a feeling i'll get some harsh voices against me... To me he is a proof that not everyone is a gun loving fool like the guy in Bowling For Columbine who shows his magnum .44 for Moore. What does all you real americans think about him?

bigben2k · 03-26-2003, 04:33 PM

I think he's great. You have to see his Flint, Michigan documentary.

Blackeagle · 03-26-2003, 04:40 PM

His distortions in his works have made him very populer in some circles that share his very liberal veiws.

Many other people think he's a idiot. (conservatives)

And a thrid group (majority) wouldn't know who he is if asked.

Alchemy · 03-26-2003, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Blackeagle
His distortions in his works have made him very populer in some circles that share his very liberal veiws.

Many other people think he's a idiot. (conservatives)

And a thrid group (majority) wouldn't know who he is if asked.

A fourth group (which includes myself) considers him an adept filmmaker and comedian.

Alchemy

Edit - I should say that I loved Bowling for Columbine, and probably would buy it even if it consited entirely of the Trey Parker short. But huge generalizations about crime in Canada, for example, make it clear he's not as good in his research as his supporters claim.

Blackeagle · 03-26-2003, 05:28 PM

As to his comments at the Oscars, I see his web site's forum has been down ever sense.

I suspect he has found out that he was rather wrong about the number of people in this country that support the Presidant.

Some might like to read his letter to Pres. Bush at his site. It just helped confirm my oppinion of him as a idiot with rather extreme veiws. After reading that letter his Oscar night comments were no surprise.

www.michaelmoore.com

bigben2k · 03-26-2003, 05:40 PM

Some people just can't take a joke...

golovko · 03-26-2003, 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by bigben2k
Some people just can't take a joke...

Whats the joke? MM seems pretty serious to me. I agree with Blackeagle, he's an idiot, and that letter to President Bush (not governer...dumbass) confirms his stupidity. He claims no one in America supports Bush - 70% approval ratings would in fact be a majority. I'd like to see him come to my hometown and preach his bullshit - he'd wouldn't stay for long.

phreenet · 03-26-2003, 08:32 PM

He is an idiot... And his speech at the oscars was totally uncalled for and out of place, no wonder he was boo'd. But like most hollywood type people they have their heads up their ass 24/7 bathing in 100 dollar bills and could care less about anyone else. Well not all of them. Just the really annoying ones. And hey could you imagine that there are a lot of actors quite opposite of this guys, but you can suspect they don't get on the media to voice their views. There isn't any money in that.

winewood · 03-26-2003, 09:05 PM

Anyone making money off the dead children from a tragedy, yet claiming to be an advocate.. is not there for the kids interests. He laughed all the way to the bank, and booed all the way to liberal la la land.

Strafe · 03-26-2003, 10:28 PM

I'm generally someone who looks at both sides of the story, but all in all, I'm a conservative. I always thought that he was waaay liberal but his documentaries were at least things to think about. His behaivor at the Oscars tho, joke or not, was way out of line. And now I see this report where his documentaries are full of distortions, lies and outright fraud...

http://hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Then again, I don't know anything about this Hardy guy either.

phreenet · 03-27-2003, 05:37 AM

He is an idiot, its way more simple to understand than you think.

Rayman2k2 · 03-27-2003, 06:33 AM

i may not support his views, but i do support his right to speak them.

phreenet · 03-27-2003, 08:03 AM

Of course no one is going to disagree there, but we also reserve the right to call him an idiot

utabintarbo · 03-27-2003, 08:39 AM

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Originally posted by bigben2k
Some people just can't take a joke...

I have seen him on a number of news talk shows (Hardball, Donahue, Hannity and Colmes, etc.) and I can assure you he is not joking. He actually believes and advocates the kind of stuff he spewed at the Oscar's. And for god's sake don't try to disagree with him! He is a past master of both ad hominem and shouting you down! He is the kind of person that give liberalism a bad name.

Bob

FunkyAneurysm · 03-27-2003, 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by golovko
and that letter to President Bush (not governer...dumbass) confirms his stupidity.

He calls Bush "Govenor" because he was not democratically elected. Therefore, he should still be Govenor.

I should explain. BUsh did not win the election because of votes. He won because of a legal technicality when not all votes were counted. He campaigned SO hard to prevent those votes being counted. I wonder WHY... And now the monkey is trying to impose democracy, through un unjust ILLEGAL war on a people unable to use it & unlikely to need it.

Thanks, Gov. (Monkey) Bush

bigben2k · 03-27-2003, 09:58 AM

FWIW...

I think Michael Moore has a message, but for the sake of getting people's attention, he wraps it up with gross exagerations, which is easily filtered out.

"Government stuff" is boring to most of the population: we should all take a more active role.

Does anyone here listen to Ralph Nader?

golovko · 03-27-2003, 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by FunkyAneurysm
He calls Bush "Govenor" because he was not democratically elected. Therefore, he should still be Govenor.

I don't know if you noticed, but I'm from the US - I know exactly what happened in that election, as I voted in it. Did you (FunkyAneurysm) vote in that election? NO. If Bush was not democratically elected, then who should be POTUS? Sure as hell not Al Gore as he was not democratically elected. Bush won because he was democratically elected. If anyone came out of that election looking bad, it was Al Gore for being a whiny little bitch because he thought he "should" have won.

gmat · 03-27-2003, 10:35 AM

BB2K: Nader has a more serious approach, and seems quite intelligent and open. That ensures him not to be heard by a vast majority, and that's true in any major western country...
People like catch phrases, gross overstatements, and emotion-provoking orators. Nader chances of election make me think of a snowball in hell...
As for M Moore, he's as far-fetched, overstated, and gross as Bush supporters. For that i think he's no better than the people he attacks...

PlawsWorth · 03-27-2003, 10:46 AM

I'll make a reply as soon, just need some sleep right now after a long day at a firestation.

Blackeagle · 03-27-2003, 12:59 PM

I for one like R. Nader. The man has his facts straight before he says anything, if for no other reason that deserves respect.

As for his electablity, Gmat may be right. Sad comment on our voters when a man is judged more by the style in which he gives a speach or offers ideas than the content of the speach or value of his ideas.

winewood · 03-27-2003, 01:12 PM

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BB2K: Nader has a more serious approach, and seems quite intelligent and open. That ensures him not to be heard by a vast majority, and that's true in any major western country-gmat

So you are saying in your French way that anyone intelligent will not listen to R. Nader if they are in the "west"? Would you have been silent if I said that the intelligent people were in the minority in France right now? I don't appreciate the comments of western stupidity if they don't agree with a canidate of your choosing gmat. And you call westerners arrogant....

airspirit · 03-27-2003, 01:36 PM

Funk, your comments are out of line, especially since you obviously don't know what the fsck you're talking about. Read up on US election laws and come back later. Whatever you do, don't spew whatever liberal propaganda you've gathered from left wing web sites and media outlets, because you're bound to make a fool of yourself. Every vote down there was counted, and what it came down to in the end was one of four complaints:

Gore wanted the votes recounted ad infinitum until he got the results he wanted, or

Minority groups cried after the fact that they didn't vote, and maybe they should be allowed to vote after the elections were closed, or

Individuals wanted to change their votes after the fact, or

Individuals claimed that they didn't understand who they were voting for. If you're too stupid to read a ballot, you shouldn't be voting. Period.

In the end, the right person was put into office, and the other is still crying. The way politics are going in the US is that there is a feeling of entitlement ... if a group of people bitch and moan hard and loud enough, they feel that everyone should cater to them. I hate to burst their bubble, but we work by majority rule, and in elections, we work by republic style voting: you can't just write the rules after the fact to change a situation, and the psychotic liberals out there don't seem to understand that.

Nader is not the nice guy many of you like to make him out as, and I would go so far as to label him a fool. That guy advocates hardcore socialism and severe hampering of modern industry, while promoting himself as an economic messiah to boot. Imagine this: all social services are paid for through extremely high taxes. Think along the lines of 50-60% for the middle class and higher for those that make more, while those under $20K are taxed in the 10% range. But wait, many middle class workers are unemployed because their businesses were taxed or regulated out of existance! But wait, the rich are now poor because they were taxed and regulated out of existance! But wait, if everyone is poor, we have to tax the poor and unemployed! But wait, now we can't pay for social services because we aren't collecting taxes! And on, and on, and on until we're all in the gutter.

Nader is a dangerous individual because he wants socialism NOW rather than slowly working toward it like the Democrats are attempting.

Oh, and that MM guy is an ass. He has the right to sell whatever he wants and publish whatever kinds of warped movies he wants, just like the Nazi propagandists have the right to sell movies about how the holocaust never happened. I wish they would pass a law, though, that revisionist history flicks had to be labelled as such, though, whether they come from hate groups or from a liberal propagandist.

airspirit · 03-27-2003, 01:40 PM

Did any of you hear about the liberal talker who sang a song about Condi Rice being the White House mammy who cleans the toilets fo' the white folks? The NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Not-So-Sharpton, and the rest of the liberal hatemongers refused to comment on it because it was a liberal media figure against a republican administration official. The guy still hasn't apologized for it, though the station he is on tried to justify his actions (justification != apology). And these are the people who are constantly trying to label everyone racist? What a fscking joke.

utabintarbo · 03-27-2003, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by Blackeagle
I for one like R. Nader. The man has his facts straight before he says anything, if for no other reason that deserves respect.

As for his electablity, Gmat may be right. Sad comment on our voters when a man is judged more by the style in which he gives a speach or offers ideas than the content of the speach or value of his ideas.

Ralph Nader is unelectable due to his total inability to grasp the most basic laws of Economics. He believes that the only reason the auto companies don't make a 100% crash-proof vehicle is unadulterated venality. Therefore, cars should be eliminated. Were it within his power, we'd probably be back driving horse-drawn carts.

I believe him to be an agent-provocateur of the Amish!

Bob

PlawsWorth · 03-27-2003, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blackeagle
As to his comments at the Oscars, I see his web site's forum has been down ever sense.

I suspect he has found out that he was rather wrong about the number of people in this country that support the Presidant.

Some might like to read his letter to Pres. Bush at his site. It just helped confirm my oppinion of him as a idiot with rather extreme veiws. After reading that letter his Oscar night comments were no surprise.

www.michaelmoore.com

Well, my class studied the presidental election when Bush got elected. If i'm not mistaking myself USA uses the system that if a state has 2million people and 1,1million votes for President A then president A "wins" that state and if he get most states he becomes the president, right? The somewhat obscene thing about that to me is that a president can win loads of states and still have a majority of people who doesn't support him. I don't know how you guys who live in the USA and who has always lived with the system feels about it. But to me it feels more logical that you would count all the votes in all states and the president who has the largest support from the people wins. If I have mistaken myself in the "who to become a president" system works in the USA, please do feel free to correct me.

I believe Moore's intention of the speech was to in an ironic way get the attention of people, so that they realize how "weird" things can be and that you should never be naive when it comes to the ways of electing president of the worldst most powerful country and war.

Edit: Just to clearify it, I don't support Gore either or think that he should have been elected. I'm just intrested in the election system.

03-26-2003, 04:20 PM	#1
PlawsWorth Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 248	Michael Moore Anyone that has seen his movie, Bowling For Columbine and his Oscar speech or his tv show. I do have to admit i'm a fan of both his show, speech and movie. Since i'm a non american born guy I have a feeling i'll get some harsh voices against me... To me he is a proof that not everyone is a gun loving fool like the guy in Bowling For Columbine who shows his magnum .44 for Moore. What does all you real americans think about him? __________________ cocaine addict

03-26-2003, 04:33 PM	#2
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	I think he's great. You have to see his Flint, Michigan documentary. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

03-26-2003, 05:40 PM	#6
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Some people just can't take a joke... __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

03-26-2003, 08:32 PM	#8
phreenet Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Gloucester, Virginia Posts: 356	He is an idiot... And his speech at the oscars was totally uncalled for and out of place, no wonder he was boo'd. But like most hollywood type people they have their heads up their ass 24/7 bathing in 100 dollar bills and could care less about anyone else. Well not all of them. Just the really annoying ones. And hey could you imagine that there are a lot of actors quite opposite of this guys, but you can suspect they don't get on the media to voice their views. There isn't any money in that. __________________ Dual Pentium!!! 933@1107 Liquid Cooled.

03-26-2003, 09:05 PM	#9
winewood Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: in my chair Posts: 574	Anyone making money off the dead children from a tragedy, yet claiming to be an advocate.. is not there for the kids interests. He laughed all the way to the bank, and booed all the way to liberal la la land. __________________ -winewood-

03-26-2003, 04:40 PM	#3
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	His distortions in his works have made him very populer in some circles that share his very liberal veiws. Many other people think he's a idiot. (conservatives) And a thrid group (majority) wouldn't know who he is if asked.

03-26-2003, 05:28 PM	#5
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	As to his comments at the Oscars, I see his web site's forum has been down ever sense. I suspect he has found out that he was rather wrong about the number of people in this country that support the Presidant. Some might like to read his letter to Pres. Bush at his site. It just helped confirm my oppinion of him as a idiot with rather extreme veiws. After reading that letter his Oscar night comments were no surprise. www.michaelmoore.com

03-26-2003, 10:28 PM	#10
Strafe Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Chiba City Posts: 62	I'm generally someone who looks at both sides of the story, but all in all, I'm a conservative. I always thought that he was waaay liberal but his documentaries were at least things to think about. His behaivor at the Oscars tho, joke or not, was way out of line. And now I see this report where his documentaries are full of distortions, lies and outright fraud... http://hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html Then again, I don't know anything about this Hardy guy either.

03-27-2003, 05:37 AM	#11
phreenet Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Gloucester, Virginia Posts: 356	He is an idiot, its way more simple to understand than you think. __________________ Dual Pentium!!! 933@1107 Liquid Cooled.

03-27-2003, 06:33 AM	#12
Rayman2k2 Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 190	i may not support his views, but i do support his right to speak them. __________________ -Insert Signature Here-

03-27-2003, 08:03 AM	#13
phreenet Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Gloucester, Virginia Posts: 356	Of course no one is going to disagree there, but we also reserve the right to call him an idiot __________________ Dual Pentium!!! 933@1107 Liquid Cooled.

03-27-2003, 09:58 AM	#16
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	FWIW... I think Michael Moore has a message, but for the sake of getting people's attention, he wraps it up with gross exagerations, which is easily filtered out. "Government stuff" is boring to most of the population: we should all take a more active role. Does anyone here listen to Ralph Nader? __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

03-27-2003, 10:35 AM	#18
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	BB2K: Nader has a more serious approach, and seems quite intelligent and open. That ensures him not to be heard by a vast majority, and that's true in any major western country... People like catch phrases, gross overstatements, and emotion-provoking orators. Nader chances of election make me think of a snowball in hell... As for M Moore, he's as far-fetched, overstated, and gross as Bush supporters. For that i think he's no better than the people he attacks...

03-27-2003, 10:46 AM	#19
PlawsWorth Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 248	I'll make a reply as soon, just need some sleep right now after a long day at a firestation. __________________ cocaine addict

03-27-2003, 12:59 PM	#20
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	I for one like R. Nader. The man has his facts straight before he says anything, if for no other reason that deserves respect. As for his electablity, Gmat may be right. Sad comment on our voters when a man is judged more by the style in which he gives a speach or offers ideas than the content of the speach or value of his ideas.

03-27-2003, 01:36 PM	#22
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Funk, your comments are out of line, especially since you obviously don't know what the fsck you're talking about. Read up on US election laws and come back later. Whatever you do, don't spew whatever liberal propaganda you've gathered from left wing web sites and media outlets, because you're bound to make a fool of yourself. Every vote down there was counted, and what it came down to in the end was one of four complaints: Gore wanted the votes recounted ad infinitum until he got the results he wanted, or Minority groups cried after the fact that they didn't vote, and maybe they should be allowed to vote after the elections were closed, or Individuals wanted to change their votes after the fact, or Individuals claimed that they didn't understand who they were voting for. If you're too stupid to read a ballot, you shouldn't be voting. Period. In the end, the right person was put into office, and the other is still crying. The way politics are going in the US is that there is a feeling of entitlement ... if a group of people bitch and moan hard and loud enough, they feel that everyone should cater to them. I hate to burst their bubble, but we work by majority rule, and in elections, we work by republic style voting: you can't just write the rules after the fact to change a situation, and the psychotic liberals out there don't seem to understand that. Nader is not the nice guy many of you like to make him out as, and I would go so far as to label him a fool. That guy advocates hardcore socialism and severe hampering of modern industry, while promoting himself as an economic messiah to boot. Imagine this: all social services are paid for through extremely high taxes. Think along the lines of 50-60% for the middle class and higher for those that make more, while those under $20K are taxed in the 10% range. But wait, many middle class workers are unemployed because their businesses were taxed or regulated out of existance! But wait, the rich are now poor because they were taxed and regulated out of existance! But wait, if everyone is poor, we have to tax the poor and unemployed! But wait, now we can't pay for social services because we aren't collecting taxes! And on, and on, and on until we're all in the gutter. Nader is a dangerous individual because he wants socialism NOW rather than slowly working toward it like the Democrats are attempting. Oh, and that MM guy is an ass. He has the right to sell whatever he wants and publish whatever kinds of warped movies he wants, just like the Nazi propagandists have the right to sell movies about how the holocaust never happened. I wish they would pass a law, though, that revisionist history flicks had to be labelled as such, though, whether they come from hate groups or from a liberal propagandist. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

03-27-2003, 01:40 PM	#23
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Did any of you hear about the liberal talker who sang a song about Condi Rice being the White House mammy who cleans the toilets fo' the white folks? The NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Not-So-Sharpton, and the rest of the liberal hatemongers refused to comment on it because it was a liberal media figure against a republican administration official. The guy still hasn't apologized for it, though the station he is on tried to justify his actions (justification != apology). And these are the people who are constantly trying to label everyone racist? What a fscking joke. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

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