Ok groth walk me through this graphing thing

[BillA]

~3sec w/IE6

[mikoto]

three lines
2-3 seconds with Firefox 0.9.2

[pHaestus]

under 2 secs Firefox 0.9.1 and a fat pipe

[Les]

3 lines
2min 1sec
IE6

[HammerSandwich]

Approx. 3 sec with Firefox .9.2
5s with Opera 7.23
2s with IE6 - cache on "automatic"
25s with IE6 - cache on "every visit"

[Groth]

Originally Posted by HammerSandwich

25s with IE6 - cache on "every visit"

Yeah, that consistently slows it. Even with the cache on "automatically" it occasionally does it. :shrug: I've been looking for a way to apply the equivalent of <meta> tags to try to control that, but no luck. Oh, well screw the IE people and their freaky caches, because the alternative method is consistanly 45+seconds in Firefox/Mozilla.

Anyway, looks like generating curves for a theoretical system will be need to be "pick all your piece and then push 'graph' and wait for it". Pump curves will change instantly just like the water blocks do now.

Wonder what the ISP thinks of the many thousands of requests that pixel.gif has gotten today.

[Groth]

Today's question is: after the curve shows up (in a reasonable amount of time I hope), can you move it around inside its box? How smoothly? Again, if it's slow or jerky let me know what you're running.

Here.

[BalefireX]

Loaded quickly, and can move it around very smoothly using IE6

[lolito_fr]

slightly slow/jerky in firefox 0.9.2
(compared to ie6)

[Les]

Loaded quickly, 2-3 sec
Moves smoothly
IE6

[Groth]

Just for you Les, I changed how it draws the graphs in IE6.

I was hoping it was just my whopping 450Mhz K6-2 that was making Moz/Firefox sluggish. I'm beginning to have doubts about the pan-and-zoom concept--with two or more generated lines there's the potential for serious slowdowns.

Other Firefox folks, how fast is your computer and is the movement annoyingly jerky?

[Les]

Ta
I have been known to use graphs.

[BillA]

IE rules ?
Thanks Bill

[Groth]

Originally Posted by Les

I have been known to use graphs.

As well as understatement.

[lolito_fr]

Groth, running 12x133 athlon XP
gets very choppy at less than 6x133 - just checked

[HammerSandwich]

IE6 is slightly smoother, but FF works just fine. P4 3GHz.

[pHaestus]

Loaded the same in both (very fast)
IE6 is a little smoother but I still get tolerable results in FF 0.9.1

P-M 1.7, 1GB RAM, 128mb ATI gfx notebook (MY quiet and SFF computing solution)

[Groth]

I've started laying stuff out and have inserted a few functions. The exciting 'create your own system' thing doesn't work yet and the page contains no useful information. But, this will let you see where I'm heading at the moment.

[pHaestus]

THis looks surprisingly like a "pH get off your ass, quit playing Doom3, and generate tons of head loss vs. flow curves" moment to me.

This is going to get messy quickly. I am thinking that I will be forced to test some radiators before too long too... shit

//edits: this will be another good reason to test some complete kits; we can have some real configurations with final flow rates known and see how close the model gets us

[Groth]

Motivation is a good thing, right?

[Groth]

It now has the pressure drop from tubing installed and the graphs are, well...graphic.

Next step is to get two waterblocks and a rad active, then add a big Iwaki.

[pHaestus]

I like where this is headed...

[Groth]

Rad data pulled off graphs from BillA tests, WW data off Cathars graphs...

Always more data needed (and options for things like fittings), but the prototype can now make a system flow prediction.

[BillA]

Groth
I got no answer to e-mail sent to sbcglobal
give me an e-mail addy for some excel files

[Groth]

I had wondered why I hadn't heard anything back, but wasn't concerned enough to speak up.
Was it a big e-mail? Sometime they just drop big stuff. And that's my most reliable e-address.

Edit-another thought: they are over-eager with killing anything that may be a virus. xls in zip might get through better.