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Unread 09-18-2002, 10:44 AM   #26
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Help yourself and learn to use the machine the way it was "suppose" to be used before starting of with cnc. Unless you have some really cool ppl who can help you.
There are some things that you have to learn, like making the friggin block perpendicular - the machine can't do that for you.
I dont know if a "cheap" machine like that can make taper (right word i hope ), things like that are nice to learn before.
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Unread 09-18-2002, 11:15 AM   #27
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I don't understand what you mean but one thing I know for sure is that i'm gonna buy it on saturday (!)
I'll wait with the cnc for now.

ps. I will post some pictures of my "art" when it comes

wisch me luck (I doesn't spell like that I know hehe)
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Unread 09-18-2002, 11:26 AM   #28
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lol, ok. Good luck anyway
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Unread 09-18-2002, 01:06 PM   #29
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Well, you have to be a little inventive to make the mounts for steppers depends on your machine, but building itself shouldn't be too hard, check my mill thread tommorow when I'll post acad drawing of how I'm thinking of making them.
As forholding torque for steppers, depends how good your spindels are if they run nicely the ones like mine (252oz/inch) should be more than enough, you could measure the torque on wheels yourself with weights on simetric bar, to see how certain torque move the table.

But FARMER was also right, first get use to the machine with some classic milling to learn how materials react to certain cutting speed, moving speed and cutting depth.

Good luck, we'll be here for help
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Yes, I am the founder of the spir@l block. But I wouldnt dare thing of making them on my little CNC mill, Just to much to cut. I have a good friend in a machine shop and we busted them out on saterdays. They take about 18 minutes each on the big cnc mill.

My little machine would take hours.


I was looking at that pic of the mill your looking at getting. I dont see, how in the hell you are going to get a stepper motor on the Z axis. If you look at the pic of the mill that morph got you will see that he has a hand wheel on the top of the machine for a Z axis. Just a thought if you are really wanting to go full CNC.


Just something to think about.
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Unread 09-18-2002, 01:31 PM   #31
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Yeah you're right, this one is similar to my lathe drill press combo, the z axsis is movable once you unscrew the lock and then move up or down by screwing biger bolt with wrenc, at leas thats how my was, and once you unlock the z axis the whole motor and gearbox can turn 360° .
You could though put stepper instead of that handle for moving the head up and down for drilling, but the mounting would be slightly complicated.
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Thanks for ALL your help! Love it.

hmm...where is the Z-axis on "my" machine? can't find it...
Is it nearly impossible to mount a motor on the Z-thingo?
If so i better reconsider buying another one...I want something upgradefriendly but I'm very handy and a problem-solver-guy if thats any help
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yeah, but you would loose the handel for manual operations.

and I dont know how you could ever calabrate the stepper and software to know how many revaolutions of the stepper = 1 in. and it would prolly never be the same. I would look into something with the hand wheel at the top of the machine, for a conversion.
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Unread 09-18-2002, 01:51 PM   #34
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Its very hard to find mills here in Sweden...thats the only one I could find you know
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Unread 09-18-2002, 02:03 PM   #35
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yeah, but you would loose the handel for manual operations.

and I dont know how you could ever calabrate the stepper and software to know how many revaolutions of the stepper = 1 in. and it would prolly never be the same. I would look into something with the hand wheel at the top of the machine, for a conversion.
Not realy, if you use dual shafted steppers (all mine are dual shafted) , then you can still put handle on other side, and calibration wouldn be to difficult as that wheel has scale on it so you know exactly how much it move per on full turn, devide that with steps per revolution of the stepper, and you got movement per step for z axis.
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Unread 09-18-2002, 02:10 PM   #36
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Cool

Though, I have put my eyes on another machine, I don't know the price but I've mailed them.
Its a Emco (morphling1 ) and it looks like this:



Is this one better? (all those questions!!! sorry )
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as far as ho"how is he going to mount the steppers for the z axis"
he could always get an acme screw and nuts and mount it on either side of the column,and take out the pinion gear in the rack and pinion setup for z travel.make something to attach the head assembly to the acme nuts on the acme screw.....make some sort of mount for the stepper to adapt to on top of the acme screw assembly and viola...youve got cnc z axis movement. i did the exact same thing to my grizzly and it works like a charm. the only problem i had was that i had to make counterbalance to compensate for the weight of the head, but it was easily resolved using a few springs mounted on a vertical peice of 6061 aluminum stock.
there are many routes that he could go, it all depends on how much time and thought he wants to put into it.
oh and FIXITT......it would take you 3 hours to mill a spiral on your tiag??how many lines of code could that thing be?
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Now this one is realy fine, similar to mine, which model is it ?
Also easier to use then that previous because it has gearbox for changing speeds and not manual changing belt like that green one
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Unread 09-18-2002, 02:40 PM   #39
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"711 ODR" or something. But it seems weak to me. Only 250W...
I think I aim for the green one anyways...
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Unread 09-18-2002, 04:48 PM   #40
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offtopic: I did my first cnc-program now, a "S"
here is the very advanced and complicated g-code:

G1 Z-.03
X2
Y1
X
Y2
X2

Now that I understand the logic of cadding its pretty easy. not.
But I do understand.
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Well looks like you come with something new.
Here's how for this "S"


G00 Z3.000000
G00 X0.000000 Y0.000000
G01 Z-0.500000
G01 X30.040545 Y0.000000 Z-0.500000
G01 X41.001286 Y14.606557 Z-0.500000
G01 X41.001286 Y43.413935 Z-0.500000
G01 X-10.148833 Y43.413935 Z-0.500000
G01 X-10.148833 Y73.032787 Z-0.500000
G01 X1.623813 Y88.856557 Z-0.500000
G01 X30.446499 Y88.856557 Z-0.500000
G01 X39.377472 Y76.684426 Z-0.500000
G00 Z3.000000
G00 X-10.148833 Y14.606557
G01 Z-0.500000
G01 X0.000000 Y0.000000 Z-0.500000
G00 Z3.000000

First sentance this is where your tool starts so 3mm from the surface of material, G00 means rapid motion so tool will go from any point in space to z=3,x=0,y=0 fast. Then turn on G01 wich is working mode, each position is written only once, so only new positions are written, then go to the depth of -0.5 ,and then in counter clockwise (my decision) way to every way point... and finnished where started. So yeah easy
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I do not have a taig mill, I have a MANXC 15 open loop, its a small desktop cnc mill. And I would amagone that it would take more like 4 to 5 hours to machine a Spir@l on my mill, Only cause I like them deep. .900 in deep that is.

OHH NO!!!! METRIC G CODE!!!!!!!! Speak english so I can follow!


Here is some G code, can anyone tell me what simple engraving design it would make?

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O0000( PROGRAM)
(1” SQUARE .0625” BALL NOSE)
(BACK LEFT CORNER TOP OF PART)
T1
G90 G00 X0.939 Y-0.5
Z0.1
G01Z-0.005
G03 X0.061 I-0.439 J-0.1557 F20.0
X0.939 I0.439 J0.1916
G00 Z0.1
X0.5681
G01Z-0.005
G03 I-0.0681 J0.0
G00 Z0.1
X0.7345
G01Z-0.005
G03 I-0.2345 J0.0
G00 Z0.1
G00
Z0.1
X0. Y0.
M02
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that looks to me like an eye sir. but im new at g codes.so i could be wrong
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eye you are right.


U want a really hard one? I prolly will get in trouble for this one! Being sooooooooo Long.


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OHH NOOOO IMPERIAL ONE
LOL I think you just made longest post ever
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$4000 for the Ecmo-mill. talk about overpriced distrubutors....screw them...
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that is a portraite of my wife and her sister that I did in autocad last christmas. Most of my christmas gifts to other people were portrates done on sandblasted and painted black aluminum. Total cost $20 for 5 peices or aluminum and a couple hours each in autocad. Made all the women cry. They are WONDERFULL gift ideas.

Pics of some of them can be found at http://www.a1machine.net/portrates.htm

and some clocks I did are at
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This is professional stuffs. I like the "Bass Tour Coin"
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Fixitt, that is a great idea, for Xmas! What would I need to give you if I asked you to make one of those portraits?

How much are the Skoal can lids?
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