Snap OS 3.4.805, anyone?

[jrmccracken]

I was looking in the command help section, it mentions this has a gigabit connector is this true?

[Hallis]

Well your 701 MIGHT or might not support large drives. I dont know if Snap OEM'd the V1 or the V2 units to Dell for that one. Only thing to do would be to upgrade the system to 3.4.805 or greater for the 500gb drives. you'll beed 4.3.860 to get the AD2003 support. But you cant just upgrade straight from 3.4.805 to 4.3.860. you have to put 4.3.825 on and then upgrade to 4.3.860.

The Dell 701n for sure will NOT have gigabit ethernet. Neither does the 705n.

Shane

[blue68f100]

For AD 2003 support you need OS v4.0.860. Or there is a work around in the wiki sections.

The Gigabit ports are on the Guardian OS units not the SnapOS ones.

This is the first 705 (4100) to support large disk,
So I would like some more info please, to try to figure what is special about yours.

Would you please post these debug cmds.

BIOS Model
[Model-Number OEM [1,2,3,4,5,6 or None] (OEM support)]BIOS PlatformBytesBIOS Version

BIOS Info

ide 48bitLBACounter get ( 1 for support )

Now No one has just installed 2 drives, most install 4. 3.4.805 supports LBA48bit as indicated by your size. If you have 2 more 250gig drives you may want to see if it will allow LBA48bit in RAID5.

I would also like to know what raid controller chip is in yours, promise.


Edit: My mistake I miss read what he had, when he mentioned 4 drive I thought 705 not reading the 701. FALSE ALARM, even though it would have been nice to get a 705/4100 on LBA48. Then he mentioned gigabit port which was never on a 2 drive snap OS unit.

[jrmccracken]

Its odd my Bios ID it as a a 701N or 2000, when I registered it at adaptec they ID the the server number as being a 705N ,which is odd, I ordered 4 500gig Seagate HDs so I can test whether or not it will see all of them. I have tried contacting adaptec for the OS upgrades but because my unit was a Dell OEM they will not even sell me the Software OS, their argument is that they have ended support of these devices. so I am in a quandry on where to go for that. But I will keep looking, where would I find the controller chip info? I would gladly provide it if I know where to look. The 240 gigs rebuilt into a nice raid one volume. so it adresses 48bit well enough. next test is to upgrade the cables and add two more drives.

[jrmccracken]

further investigation(cracking it open like an egg) reveals it to be an Intel based motherboard made by meridian which host chipsets by smsc and issi, there are no promise chipsets on the MB, it has a third IDE connector as well as a serial connector, I think I could probably throw the extra HDs on it if I bump up the power, but currently it doesn't have near enough power to add even one more. I hope this helps

[blue68f100]

where would I find the controller chip info?

If you look at the thread notice at the top of the thread, there are picture of 4100 showing 2 Promise Controller, 4 IDE headers. http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=13825

If your unit is a 2U, it's a 4000 model not a 4100. Which is what I suspect, because the 2000 and 4000 used the same MB, in the early models. The 4100 has 4 IDE headers, where the 4400 has 2, (M/S setup).

The Snap OS has a 1T Limit. So you may be sending the drives back. You can run 2 Raid 1 and stay under the limit, but will loose the raid5 speed.

[jrmccracken]

yeah it is definitely a 2000, there are only the three ide Headers, I think I am going to throw the extra two drives into my PVR ands let this stick to being a .5Tb array, and try and focus on getting my desktops to access it. I wish I would have known about the AD errors two months ago I wouldn't have upgraded my AD to 2003 and installed Vista.

[blue68f100]

The 4000 models (2U) support 4 drives. It has 2 drives per IDE cable, like a normal pc, and a power switch on the back. The 4000 will handle 4 250gig HD in a raid5, without any problem. Now if yours is a 1U, it's possiable someone swaped the MB's out. Which makes it a smaller foot print, and has a better ps in it.

The wiki secion has pictures of the models.

As far as your AD support, that a tough one.

With all of the Vista testing going on, I see nothing to want me to upgrade. Beside requiring a 2 gig of ram to make it run smooth. I will wait a year or two till they get all of the security bugs fixed. It will take that long to prove it has security. Besides they said that about XP, and you now all the bugs it had.

[jrmccracken]

I have 1.5 gig ram in each of my vista machines, as yet running all of the apps I use I haven't went over 850 megs in use yet, what is funny about Vista though is that it shows no physical memory available it uses all of what you have.

My Snap is the desktop model two drive mounted tower.

[Phoenix32]

Okay, David and jrmccracken,

I think you two somehow got on different pages here (either that or I need to take more of my meds). Let me see if I can help you both out here and get you on the same page.


David,

He does not have a 705 (4100), he has a 701 (2000). This is why his unit is doing LBA48bit based on his logs (and seeing the 250 Gb drives).

Some 2000 units (the SDRAM type units) used the same main board as the early 4000, but the 2000 BIOS/CMOS was marked as a 2000 and the unit was set up for 2 drives. This is why the 4 drive questions he asked that I think got you confused, and even got you thinking it was a 4100 with someone swapping in a 4000 board. In theory, you can use some of the 2000 main boards as replacements for a 4000 (not all of them, just the SDRAM revision) and just change a couple settings in the BIOS/CMOS.

Based on what he has posted here, it is pretty fair to presume he has one of the 2000 units with the early 4000 main board. Now, being that it was a dell 701 OEM unit, when he made the BIOS/CMOS change to make it a SNAP, it did not know any different and is letting him see the missing drives 1 and 3 and probably why Adaptec in their infinite wisdom as seeing the numbers as a 4000.

So, David, don't get excited, you are not looking at a 705/4100 that can do LBA48bit, the holy grail of SNAP 4100's. Sorry... You are looking at a 710/4000 that can do LBA48bit, which is nothing new.


Now jrmccracken,

If you read what I just typed to David (blue68f100), then you now know why he was asking what he was asking and saying what he was saying. He thought you had a 705/4100 and somehow by miricle was able to do LBA48bit.

It appears your 701 is of the SNAP 2000 type that had the SNAP 4000 main board in it. It also appears that by changing it from a Dell to a SNAP, it thinks it is a 4000, not a 2000. While your case can only hold 2 drives, if you wanted to do some mods and make your own case or whatever, yes you can put 2 drives each on the 2 IDE channels you have as Master/Slave, and use this as a 4 drive SNAP 4000 unit (David, I said Master/Slave because those were the real early -01 main boards). Keep in mind though, as you already pointed out, you are going to have to change up the power supply. The 4000 power supply is weak, but there is no way a 701/2000 power supply is going to handle 4 large hard disks.


Okay, did I clear that all up now I hope? Or did I just tell everyone I need to be institutionalized?

Wait, shut up Sam, I don't want an answer.

[jrmccracken]

That clears it up for me, but being that I don't have the freetime I used to for my projects, I have to leave it like it is. I originally bought it for my parents as I backup drive, because when I sell my house down the street from them they will no longer have access to my network and servers to keep their computer backed up. but with figuring out how big I could push it chose to keep it for myself and get them a usb drive

[re3dyb0y]

Originally Posted by Phoenix32

Okay, did I clear that all up now I hope? Or did I just tell everyone I need to be institutionalized?

Wait, shut up Sam, I don't want an answer.

Eh,

What?

[glmiller3]

I seem to be in the same boat as a lot of other folks. I am looking to upgrade my 4000 to v3.4.805 to use larger drives. Adaptec seems to be useless as I am way past any free support. Can anybody contact me with info on how/where to obtain the upgrade.

Any help would be appreciated. glmiller3@hotmail.com

Thanks,

Snap Server 4000
SW 2.3.417
HW 2.0.1
Bios 2.0.282

[jrmccracken]

OK Guys, DHL left me a beautiful package of drives of which I successfully installed 2 of them into my 2000, then formatted them and set them up to be a mirror set, it looks like my 6 year old will graduated from college before the rebuild is complete though. Now onto to the major problem I am having. OK, I nixed the Microsoft Networking configuration and set it to stand alone with internal authentication, but I cannot get any of my clients to connect to it they keep saying the network was not found. Does anyone know how to resolve this problem? I have 476Gigs of Drive space I am just itching to fill up.

[blue68f100]

Look at the FAQ's below the 4100's in wiki section.

[jrmccracken]

God, I am thickheaded it took me forever to read through that. will 4.0.860 upgrade install directly over 3.4.805?

[blue68f100]

To my knowledge 4.0.830 or 4.0.854 must be installed first, because 4.0.860 is just a patch for the AD support.

[jrmccracken]

Thats what I was afraid of, I found a way to purchse the Adaptec software support before requesting the 4.0.860 full install then they have no choice but to fulfill their own contract.

[glmiller3]

Thanks for all your help.

Gary

[jschultz]

Hi,
I would also like to get a copy of OS v3.4.805.
My Snap!2000 is running OS 2.3.417, Hardware Ver 2.0, Bios Ver 2.0.282

Sure would appreciate it. Thanks.

Jim

[re3dyb0y]

Originally Posted by jschultz

Hi,
I would also like to get a copy of OS v3.4.805.
My Snap!2000 is running OS 2.3.417, Hardware Ver 2.0, Bios Ver 2.0.282

Sure would appreciate it. Thanks.

Jim

Try reading this

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=10846

[jschultz]

No I knew it wouldn't be easy because I've been digging for stuff to make these units work since they were given to me. Was able to get the Admin manual, finally got the Snap! Assist program after hours of digging, and then had to break into them. Used wireshark to find out what IP subnet they were configured for. After configuring and getting the assist program to recognize the units, I found they were password protected. AHHH, did the factory reset thing and have now have them configured; however, they only have 30G hard drives in them. I have some Seagate 160G drives that I'd like to use but since these are old and the OS/Bios seems way earlier than the others I've seen mentioned, I figured that I would run up against the >137G problem. So I'm looking to upgrade these boxes so that I can get on with setting up the drives the way I want to.

Can anyone help, would really like to get my hands on v3.4.805

[smarsh]

the letter says the v4.0 is the issue..... jschultz and myself really want the free versions.... but where can one find them????

[jaylweb]

I need the latest software for my snap server that provides Windows 2003 server support.

The tag on the back says M4100. I tried the update from Adaptec's website, but it's not a valid update for the OS I have.
Model Software Hardware BIOS
4000 series 3.1.603 (US) 2.2.1 2.4.437

Is there a way to obtain a valid upate or full OS?


Also, I have another M4100 with the latest OS on it.
Model Software Hardware BIOS
4000 series 4.0.860 (US) 2.2.1 2.4.437

Too bad you can't flash one to the other. :P

[blue68f100]

You can purchase the OS from Adaptec for around $200.

But there are issues with Vista.

All Snaps are shipped with a CD that contains the OS.