My new water-block - Page 3

maskedgeek · 08-10-2002, 11:03 PM

oops, thats probably the 1 i missed

PixelCloud · 08-19-2002, 05:44 PM

omg those are awesome can u post some drawings please

pretty please...

#Rotor · 08-19-2002, 09:09 PM

eermm , on the battery effect issue.... it does not take place when the two metals are in direct contact, think about it for a moment.... (but not to hard... OK

) for the battery effect to be able to damage either of the two metals, there needs to be a current to flow from the one, to the other, through the electrolyte. Now what do we know about electrical current, it always chooses the path of least resistance. It also needs a potential difference to exist between the two points of travel.

Ok so now how is current going to be able to flow from the one plate, through the liquid, to the other, in order to have what is called "the battery effect"

oh by the way I've been mixing metals for longer than Water-cooling pc's have been in existence.... heck Ive been doing it even before there was such a thing as a PC to be bought in a shop. In the HOT-ROD building arena, what we normally do to prevent this, is to electrically connect the Radiator, often copper cored, to the engine block, (Aluminum and Cast-iron in most cases) and in doing so we got rid of that exact same annoying phenomenon.

Can O' Beans · 08-20-2002, 12:14 AM

I agree. Copper wire has a DEFFINATE lower electrical resistance. Any current flowing would be flowing thru the wire itself, not the water.

The corrosion/oxidation will STILL be there, but it will now move to the wire connections if you use Copper wire connected to Aluminum (read up on proper Al/Cu junctioning in house wiring, etc..). With the very low potetial between the pieces of metal in the system, this shouldn't be a real problem.

Now if you use standard crimp on ring terminals(usually plated), screws with the wire between washers, etc... on the ends of the copper wire, and attach these to the different metal pieces, then this would also reduce the corrosion drastically. This was probably the case in #Rotor's cars, I'm assuming he used some kind of terminals on the ends of the wires.

LiquidRulez · 09-06-2002, 03:31 AM

Simply amazing work.
and to anyone who doesnt think these blocks are worth 120 bucks ...youre a fool.
Copper is very tricky to mill and it takes a long time ,even with CNC.And not to mention the cost of the tools that are needed to mill that insanely gummy metal we all call copper to the specifications and dimensions that he has done in his block. I would rather mill hardened steel with a toothpick any day, than to mill a peice of unforgiving copper with a solid carbide end mill!
He's done a spectacular job in designing and building these things.One can only wish that commercial manufacturers put the time and effort that this guy has put into his creation.

It's so beautiful ,I wouldnt even want to use it if I purchased one. Id put it in a display case on my mantle.
Great F*** in job man!!

Youre an inspiration to us all

nexxo · 09-06-2002, 01:42 PM

Just my penny's worth (which, by the way, neatly puts this thread back at the top of the forum

): I've ordered two blocks, for my dual Athlon MP system. I agree with LiquidRulez: they are almost too beautiful to install, so I am now forced (totally unintentionally, of course

) to put a plexi window in my case... They are going to be installed on a red PCB (MSI K7D Master-L) in a black Lian-Li case. I just can't wait.

Somewhere else in this forum Technonut has compared this block with his Spir@l, and has noted better flow and temps from this block! Yessirree, this block appears to beat a Spir@l!

LiquidRulez · 09-06-2002, 04:09 PM

bump it on up to the top where it belongs!!

nexxo · 09-07-2002, 02:04 PM

Oh, go on then...

icel0rd · 09-19-2002, 06:19 PM

Still no performance stats on one of these? I'd pay the cash for one if I knew that they actually worked at least as well as a maze block.

Performance stats??

Ice

nexxo · 09-20-2002, 12:19 PM

Sorry no stats yet Icelord; as far as I'm aware a review is being arranged.

To give you a decent impression of performance though, I refer you to :this thread: on the Procooling forums.

I have bought 2, for my dual Athlon rig. Post Tracker tells me they have arrived in the UK today, so I should have them by next week. Can't wait!

bigben2k · 09-20-2002, 01:46 PM

...and I'll refer ya'll to this thread for an explanation on how this lexan top is actually better than anything else we've encountered so far, and wouldn't be an issue, if you go that route.

Maybe our popular manufacturers should read this...

Jessfm · 09-20-2002, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigben2k
...and I'll refer ya'll to this thread for an explanation on how this lexan top is actually better than anything else we've encountered so far, and wouldn't be an issue, if you go that route.

Maybe our popular manufacturers should read this...

Are you talking about the squish area of the fact Most blocks over compress the O'ring ?

nexxo · 09-21-2002, 02:28 PM

I think he refers to the even spacing of the mounting screws as well, resulting in even pressure/strain and no flexing. In any case, these are damn good blocks...

PHeelme · 09-21-2002, 04:21 PM

so have they been tested yet?

nexxo · 09-24-2002, 01:29 PM

Quote:

To give you a decent impression of performance though, I refer you to :this thread: on the Procooling forums.

I received my pair today! They are absolutely GORGEOUS! If a man could ever harbour unnatural feelings towards a waterblock, then these would do the trick! They feel reassuringly solid (but not "oops, there snaps my mobo in half" weighty), and as well engineered as a German car. Fahrvergnügen? You bet!

Anyone who thinks they are not worth the $120,-- asking price should hang their head in the shame of ignorance... they are the daddies.

(I know, I know, "looks is nothing without performance". Well, just follow the above thread. Go on then. I know you want to).

Puzzdre · 09-24-2002, 04:29 PM

Congrats!

Any pics coming soon maybe?

bigben2k · 09-24-2002, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jessfm
Are you talking about the squish area of the fact Most blocks over compress the O'ring ?

Quote:

Originally posted by nexxo
I think he refers to the even spacing of the mounting screws as well, resulting in even pressure/strain and no flexing. In any case, these are damn good blocks...

You're both right. Thank you!

nexxo · 09-25-2002, 01:48 PM

@ Bigben2k: You're welcome.

@ Puzzdre: My digicam is in repairs, unfortunately (dead pixel on the CCD), but I intend to mount them on a red MSI K7D Master-L.
When I got the cam back, you'll get the pics!

mo · 09-25-2002, 01:51 PM

Are there any more of these amazing blocks for the grabbing?

Or more are on their way?

Puzzdre · 09-25-2002, 02:30 PM

@ nexxo: good, that will give me enough time to buy some more drool sucking sponges...maybe to make a necklace...

Those blocks really look gorgeous on the pics...and to have two of them in real....wait, where's that last sponge I had....

nexxo · 09-26-2002, 04:25 PM

@ mo: Paul is making some more as we speak, but he has to make them in his spare time on his machines at work, so production is a bit irregular. Just e-mail him and tell him you want some however, and he'll give you an Estimated Time of Arrival, so to speak.

@ Puzzdre: I stroke them every night before I go to bed... I may give them names.

I may have pics next week.

Puzzdre · 09-26-2002, 04:28 PM

something like 7 of 9?...oh boy, I would like to stroke seven of nine before we go to bed...

nexxo · 10-01-2002, 04:52 PM

OK, as promised, here are the pics...

If they appear as the dreaded red X's, then hit Reply and the Back arrow on the browser; for some reason that seems to work... weird, no?

At some point I will post some more pics of the entire project, but I think I'll need to find another host...

EDIT: problem fixed. You should be able to see the pics normally now.

mo · 10-01-2002, 05:10 PM

nope.. Cant see them!!

Puzzdre · 10-01-2002, 05:10 PM

I got all my WOOOO! HAAAAA! NIIIICEEEE! ready, but hitting reply and back just dont work...

instead of the red mobo all I see is four red x...

08-19-2002, 09:09 PM	#53
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	eermm , on the battery effect issue.... it does not take place when the two metals are in direct contact, think about it for a moment.... (but not to hard... OK ) for the battery effect to be able to damage either of the two metals, there needs to be a current to flow from the one, to the other, through the electrolyte. Now what do we know about electrical current, it always chooses the path of least resistance. It also needs a potential difference to exist between the two points of travel. Ok so now how is current going to be able to flow from the one plate, through the liquid, to the other, in order to have what is called "the battery effect" oh by the way I've been mixing metals for longer than Water-cooling pc's have been in existence.... heck Ive been doing it even before there was such a thing as a PC to be bought in a shop. In the HOT-ROD building arena, what we normally do to prevent this, is to electrically connect the Radiator, often copper cored, to the engine block, (Aluminum and Cast-iron in most cases) and in doing so we got rid of that exact same annoying phenomenon. __________________ There is no Spoon....

09-06-2002, 01:42 PM	#56
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	Just my penny's worth (which, by the way, neatly puts this thread back at the top of the forum ): I've ordered two blocks, for my dual Athlon MP system. I agree with LiquidRulez: they are almost too beautiful to install, so I am now forced (totally unintentionally, of course ) to put a plexi window in my case... They are going to be installed on a red PCB (MSI K7D Master-L) in a black Lian-Li case. I just can't wait. Somewhere else in this forum Technonut has compared this block with his Spir@l, and has noted better flow and temps from this block! Yessirree, this block appears to beat a Spir@l! __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness"

09-07-2002, 02:04 PM	#58
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	Oh, go on then... __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness"

09-19-2002, 06:19 PM	#59
icel0rd Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Where even the devil wont go Posts: 103	Still no performance stats on one of these? I'd pay the cash for one if I knew that they actually worked at least as well as a maze block. Performance stats?? Ice __________________ Redhat 8 Gigabyte GA-7dpxdw+ w/dual modded AXP 1800+ CPUs running at AXP 2000+ speed 1 512 meg crucial ECC DDR 2100 1 512 meg Infineon PC2700 Sblive Value Geforce 4 Ti4600 Deskstar 60 gig drive (1)K4.1 waterblock (.5" barbs) (1) Maze 3 waterblock (.5" barbs) Black Ice Rad TopFin 250gph pump 1/2" OD Vinyl hose (yep, vinyl)

09-20-2002, 12:19 PM	#60
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	Sorry no stats yet Icelord; as far as I'm aware a review is being arranged. To give you a decent impression of performance though, I refer you to :this thread: on the Procooling forums. I have bought 2, for my dual Athlon rig. Post Tracker tells me they have arrived in the UK today, so I should have them by next week. Can't wait! __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness"

08-10-2002, 11:03 PM	#51
maskedgeek Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: poop Posts: 145	oops, thats probably the 1 i missed

08-19-2002, 05:44 PM	#52
PixelCloud Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada the BIG TO Posts: 54	omg those are awesome can u post some drawings please pretty please...

08-20-2002, 12:14 AM	#54
Can O' Beans Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Pa - USA Posts: 264	I agree. Copper wire has a DEFFINATE lower electrical resistance. Any current flowing would be flowing thru the wire itself, not the water. The corrosion/oxidation will STILL be there, but it will now move to the wire connections if you use Copper wire connected to Aluminum (read up on proper Al/Cu junctioning in house wiring, etc..). With the very low potetial between the pieces of metal in the system, this shouldn't be a real problem. Now if you use standard crimp on ring terminals(usually plated), screws with the wire between washers, etc... on the ends of the copper wire, and attach these to the different metal pieces, then this would also reduce the corrosion drastically. This was probably the case in #Rotor's cars, I'm assuming he used some kind of terminals on the ends of the wires.

09-06-2002, 03:31 AM	#55
LiquidRulez Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In Hell Posts: 322	Simply amazing work. and to anyone who doesnt think these blocks are worth 120 bucks ...youre a fool. Copper is very tricky to mill and it takes a long time ,even with CNC.And not to mention the cost of the tools that are needed to mill that insanely gummy metal we all call copper to the specifications and dimensions that he has done in his block. I would rather mill hardened steel with a toothpick any day, than to mill a peice of unforgiving copper with a solid carbide end mill! He's done a spectacular job in designing and building these things.One can only wish that commercial manufacturers put the time and effort that this guy has put into his creation. It's so beautiful ,I wouldnt even want to use it if I purchased one. Id put it in a display case on my mantle. Great F*** in job man!! Youre an inspiration to us all

09-06-2002, 04:09 PM	#57
LiquidRulez Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In Hell Posts: 322	bump it on up to the top where it belongs!!

09-20-2002, 01:46 PM	#61
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	...and I'll refer ya'll to this thread for an explanation on how this lexan top is actually better than anything else we've encountered so far, and wouldn't be an issue, if you go that route. Maybe our popular manufacturers should read this... __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

09-21-2002, 02:28 PM	#63
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	I think he refers to the even spacing of the mounting screws as well, resulting in even pressure/strain and no flexing. In any case, these are damn good blocks... __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness"

09-21-2002, 04:21 PM	#64
PHeelme Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 1	so have they been tested yet?

09-24-2002, 04:29 PM	#66
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	Congrats! Any pics coming soon maybe? __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

09-25-2002, 01:48 PM	#68
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	@ Bigben2k: You're welcome. @ Puzzdre: My digicam is in repairs, unfortunately (dead pixel on the CCD), but I intend to mount them on a red MSI K7D Master-L. When I got the cam back, you'll get the pics! __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness"

09-25-2002, 01:51 PM	#69
mo Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada, Montreal Posts: 136	Are there any more of these amazing blocks for the grabbing? Or more are on their way?

09-25-2002, 02:30 PM	#70
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	@ nexxo: good, that will give me enough time to buy some more drool sucking sponges...maybe to make a necklace... Those blocks really look gorgeous on the pics...and to have two of them in real....wait, where's that last sponge I had.... __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

09-26-2002, 04:25 PM	#71
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	@ mo: Paul is making some more as we speak, but he has to make them in his spare time on his machines at work, so production is a bit irregular. Just e-mail him and tell him you want some however, and he'll give you an Estimated Time of Arrival, so to speak. @ Puzzdre: I stroke them every night before I go to bed... I may give them names. I may have pics next week. __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness"

09-26-2002, 04:28 PM	#72
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	something like 7 of 9?...oh boy, I would like to stroke seven of nine before we go to bed... __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

10-01-2002, 04:52 PM	#73
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	OK, as promised, here are the pics... If they appear as the dreaded red X's, then hit Reply and the Back arrow on the browser; for some reason that seems to work... weird, no? At some point I will post some more pics of the entire project, but I think I'll need to find another host... EDIT: problem fixed. You should be able to see the pics normally now. __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness" Last edited by nexxo; 10-02-2002 at 01:29 PM.

10-01-2002, 05:10 PM	#74
mo Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada, Montreal Posts: 136	nope.. Cant see them!!

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