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General Liquid/Water Cooling Discussion For discussion about Full Cooling System kits, or general cooling topics. Keep specific cooling items like pumps, radiators, etc... in their specific forums. |
View Poll Results: Which block will perform better on a hi-flow 1/2" setup? | |||
Sidewinder TC-4 | 39 | 66.10% | |
GeminiCool "high flow" | 20 | 33.90% | |
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04-02-2002, 07:15 AM | #76 |
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I've heard estimates of only 15%-20% heat reduction for the t-breds. Also, the cores will be smaller which will reduce the heat transfer to the block.
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04-02-2002, 09:06 AM | #77 | |
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04-02-2002, 09:13 AM | #78 |
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Hi Jaydee!
It is a big decrease in power. I guess my point is that they will produce about the same amount of heat as the current models because they will be clocked higher. --Rob |
04-02-2002, 09:22 AM | #79 | |
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04-02-2002, 09:33 AM | #80 |
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I'm such a good thread hijacker I think the t-breds will run at 1.65V. What do you think about the smaller core size? I would think it would be a problem for heat transfer, but I guess they will produce less heat.
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04-02-2002, 11:05 AM | #81 | ||
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04-02-2002, 12:53 PM | #82 |
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when we changed to .18 from .25 there was a big reduction, and everyone was happy for a while, then with TBirds above 1ghz we hit the same thing again, especially with the 1.4ghz. The the AXP came out with reduced power, everyone became happy again, then 2000+ and 2100+ came out, making it hotter again. Now we are all seeing .13u as the saviour. It isn't really that great. sure it will use lower voltage, and lower heat at first, but by the end of the model line we will be above what the current 2100+ is doing
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04-02-2002, 12:57 PM | #83 |
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Blah... screw this .13µ stuff. I'm waiting to see Prestonia at .09µ.
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04-02-2002, 01:36 PM | #84 | |
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04-02-2002, 06:18 PM | #86 |
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Ok Schoolie - empty your luggage and step away from your keyboard :P
Smaller feature size - definitely.
Lower Vcore (stock) - probably. Smaller die size - probably. Higher transistor count - {maybe} Higher frequency of operation - definitely. Lower Vcore helps reduce power. Smaller Die size makes it harder to conduct the thermal energy to the block. Higher transistor count means more power. Higher frequency of operation means more power. End result - impossible to call at this point and speculative. {Another big unknown - the "heat spreader". If done right it can help - if done poorly (P4 is an example) it hurts.} {editted - was thinking claw, so transistor count and spreader comments don't apply to the breads, everything else still applicable} Last edited by EMC2; 04-03-2002 at 08:34 AM. |
04-02-2002, 06:34 PM | #87 |
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Interesting EMC2. I thought the t-bred had exactly the same design as the Paly, only differing in scale. Maybe they will need to modify the design to compensate for the smaller element size. The engineering sample I saw didn't use heat spreaders---and yes it's pure speculation, but it sure beats working.
Well, I might as well take this thread to Cuba Think the t-breds will be more easily damaged by overvolting? |
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04-02-2002, 08:24 PM | #89 |
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Good information! Thanks JD
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04-02-2002, 08:40 PM | #90 |
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I wonder what "Power Now Frequency Switching" is and what it does? man can't wait to see some results from one of these.
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04-02-2002, 08:59 PM | #91 |
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I think PowerNow is the technology that reduces power consumption by throttling the processor frequency when not heavily loaded. It was designed for the mobile market.
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04-03-2002, 01:11 AM | #92 |
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it changes the multiplier and voltage according to cpu demand
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Wonders when Schoolie is going to start passing out the big ceeeeeegarrrrs :P
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04-03-2002, 12:59 PM | #95 |
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04-04-2002, 12:24 AM | #96 |
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Ummm... one person, high multiplier, air cooled, low voltage, early sample
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08-29-2002, 04:16 PM | #97 |
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Late comer to this thread.......
I purchased a TC-4 about 3 months ago and have been very happy with it. I specifically bought it for the design, mounting, and style. I cant say that it is the best performer due to the fact that my radiator is what is holding my system back. I am looking into replacing that radiator with something better or adding another radiator to the mix so I can get better results. But so far, it has been worth the money I put out in getting it. That's my 2 cents....
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08-29-2002, 09:25 PM | #98 |
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I removed the tubulators in my TC4 and dropped my temps 2C using an Eheim 1250 pump.
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09-15-2002, 08:38 AM | #99 | |
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Without the turbulators, the TC-4 is nothing else but a Maze 1 type block. Thinking about it, and from other threads in here, I figured that you could replace the turbulators with a chain of inverted cones. They would create the type of turbulence required to increase performance. Twisting the water around won't do anything but add heat. If you're interested in experimenting wiith this, let me know: I'll see how it could be put together. |
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Here's a pic.
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