Two pumps config - serial or paralell? - Page 9

Puzzdre · 11-17-2002, 04:20 PM

Be VERY persuasive!

#Rotor · 11-17-2002, 11:01 PM

I'm busy screwing around with PHP scripts....

dual athlon blocks

have a look... one can click on the pics to get bigger ones, and you can even add comments, if you want....

it is still very experimental, so don't blame me if I somehow delete the databasefile, or something, and your comments gets vaporized into the oblivian...

g.l.amour · 11-18-2002, 02:00 AM

very cool scripting, i like it alot , really. i have to find out how to do that in .net.

g.l.amour · 11-18-2002, 02:01 AM

and puzzdre, thx for listening around man, really, you are one out of a million.

g.l.amour · 11-18-2002, 03:17 AM

damn, i just called a wholesale Cu shop.

apparently 50mmx10mmx1000mm weighs 4.5kg

price per kg is 2.90€ + sales tax = 3.51€/kg

minimum length = 6m (OMG :-(

6m = 27 kg
27kg * 3.51€/kg = 94.7€ for 6m !!! now isn't that cheap

although 6 m is about 50 x more than i need, the price is only 2 x more than what the ripper charged me for 1 m of brass.

Puzzdre · 11-18-2002, 05:16 AM

#Rotor, that's a niiiiice looking gallery!!! More! More! More!!!

About me going to buy some more copper, just to clarify that a little bit more, It's NOT for making more blocks for sale, it's just because I'm kinda hamster-like, when I'm on to something like this, I just tend to make a reserve (and reserve of reserve) of material I need, cos' I cannot get it so easily when I need it, and I never know when I'll be in the mood to make something new... She isn't very happy about that, but I surely am...

g.l.amour, this is what I found: the postage for 2 - 3 kg package is 23 Euro. Guy at the post office told me he doesn't see any problems sending a slab of copper to Belgium (you never know what stupid law can be out there and especially here

).

I cannot promise anything cos' that scrapyard is 300 km away in another (bigger hehe) city, but I usually go there on a monthly basis (my university is there, I still have several *obligations* to fulfill) and I'll surely check it out, so if you don't find anything, feel free to let me know, we'll arrange something, NP...

g.l.amour · 11-18-2002, 05:42 AM

thx for hearing around puzzdre; but i think i'll go out and buy the 6m, the price i'd be paying for that , i'd be surprised noone wanting to buy some. cmon for 15€ per m, that is crazy cheap.

any news on the tapping?

Puzzdre · 11-18-2002, 08:32 AM

No problem!

And now - The Barbs!!!!!yesyesyesyesyes!!!!!!!

Just got them! Now I can look for tappers, and other stuff!!!
As he promised, the guy at the hydraulics shop made them for me. On time!!! For 1.6 Euro a piece!

HappyHappyHappyHappy!!!!

g.l.amour · 11-18-2002, 09:41 AM

they look mighty fine to me, and mighty cheap too, think you paid em less than i did mine premachined.

what kindof thread u got on em. is it european or american thread system.

Puzzdre · 11-18-2002, 09:57 AM

Errr, the guy said its 3/8. That's about all he said about thread. Hope it will serve the purpose...I'll ask little bit around today afternoon for tappers and all...

That 3/8 is kinda hydraulics standard thread here...dunno, I must ask around some more...Hopefully they will be good enough with the teflon tape. If not, I'll epoxy them for seal, like I did it on my current block...

For the price, the guy said to me that I won't find them for less than 1.3 Euro machined, and today we agreed on 1.6 Euro/piece, got 8 of them, all nice and on time...

g.l.amour · 11-18-2002, 12:23 PM

3/8 seems about it indeed. i got a 1/2 npt and that is a bit much for a 1/2 inside diameter barb.

so 3/8 should be just about perfect.

my top half out of the crappy brass is ready, tomorrow i'm gonna pick up the 5m of copper for 80€ :-)
looks like i won't have too much trouble selling the copper. i expect once (rotor's) block is finished those belgian watercoolers might be a bit more eager to buy the raw copper off me.

here ya go, everything about the block will have been made with the equipment i have.

Puzzdre · 11-18-2002, 03:07 PM

Whoa

you did a great job considering you did it for the first time!!!! Except the block being of brass, everything else looks just GREAT!
Man, I'm glad you'll get that copper and keep the good work!

I'm not familiar with those thread measurements, can somebody explain them a little? What 1/2 NPT and 3/8 mean?

/edit/ and today looks like my lucky day, I found the shop with Allen bolts, bought 20 pcs M4!

g.l.amour · 11-18-2002, 04:17 PM

well, the tapping rules for the metric bolts, i understand by now. but the hole inches system still has me sort of clueless. i once bought a bunch of 1/4NPT barbs, what a mistake. seems the taps for those kinds of thread cost way more, because they are kind of exclusive in europe. so actually, i have learned that the taps are the most costly part. ask first what kind of tap is most cheap. for the barbs, eg m14 or m15 should do nicely for barbs with upto 10mm ID. buying almost same barbs in NPT size might cost u slightly more on the barb front, but way more on the tap front.

BillA once told me something like: there is no free learning ; ofcours he was right ;-)

Puzzdre · 11-18-2002, 04:29 PM

bb2k posted a nice link to the npt specs here

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...5&pagenumber=4

I tried to find something similar for metric, but no luck yet...

Is there a 'rule' about how many turns of the teflon tape is needed to seal the barb? A plumber once told me that for water pipes is 12 - 13 full turns of tape... How many for our use? Or is it experimental?

g.l.amour · 11-18-2002, 04:38 PM

use your imagination puzzdre. spank on some teflon, try to screw in , if it is too easy to screw, use some more...

bigben2k · 11-18-2002, 04:41 PM

2 or 3 turns is just fine. That plumber must have been thinking about some pretty large pipes!

Puzzdre · 11-18-2002, 04:44 PM

If I use my imagination and a teflon tape, She could be glad...

Or freak out...

bigben2k · 11-18-2002, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by g.l.amour
use your imagination puzzdre. spank on some teflon, try to screw in , if it is too easy to screw, use some more...

Actually, Teflon is very slippery, and helps parts screw together better. I like to use it because it makes "unscrewing" even easier.

BTW, I don't use brass parts, I only use PVC and polypropylene. I refuse to deal with galvanic corrosion.

[edit] it's polypropylene, not polyethylene!

g.l.amour · 11-18-2002, 05:10 PM

there will be a time where i will know where to find only the best parts. its been a small miracle to get as far is i got upto now. tomorrow i will go to pick up some Si tubing with some nylon Y fittings. only place in belgium where i found both. if i am in luck, they also carry pvc barbs.

the telephone is my best friend. when you are out hunting non pc parts it seems the only way to go in belgium.

Puzzdre · 11-18-2002, 05:33 PM

bb2k, thx for info on tape!

PVC and polyethylene barbs are very *rare* here, except for ordering them from net. I think I'll have enough trouble finding the Y piece with suitable ID...

So, one must cope with it, and use what's acceptable and easily available...brass for now...

g.l., good luck! When hunting non pc parts here, the only way to go is to actually GO to the shop, and show the pic, explain a lot, wriggle your hands miming the shape of the thingie you're looking for, and usually ask The Question - 'Any idea where I should look some more?'

Telephone is better option, but not very lively here...

There will be the better times!

bigben2k · 11-18-2002, 05:39 PM

Sounds like a miserable place! How about Nylon barbs? Available in white or black from McMaster's.

g.l.amour · 11-18-2002, 05:45 PM

if u want Y's 12mm ID, i can send u some from belgium. that should be really marginal cost.

that mcmaster adress might be something, but feels so stupid ordering some teenie parts from the other side of the world.

Puzzdre · 11-18-2002, 05:48 PM

Weeeelll, almost...

The problem is market. It's too small. We have lot's of shops with almost exactly the same offer of things, tools, equipment, etc, and anything used rarely or in some *bizarre* applications can't be found. Ordering from the US or more developed parts of the Europe is a must in that case. That leads to the greater expenses for sh&h, customs fee etc, so (for now) the things are shitty.
Today I heard that one computer shop here (I mean in whole Croatia) has cold cathode tubes for sale. ONE shop, and not one in sight 'till this month. Market... Toooooo small...:shrug:

Puzzdre · 11-18-2002, 05:54 PM

g.l., thx! That would be veeeery nice, if it's not such a problem to you! I can send you money for them and postage by mail. Think that three or four 12 mm ID Y's and I'm happyhappyhappy!

Quote:

feels so stupid ordering some teenie parts from the other side of the world.

yeah, I did it once (that AS3 and UV dye)...

g.l.amour · 11-19-2002, 03:02 AM

i'll pick some up (3 is dumb, i'll get u 5 or something, that way u r ok for future)

try imagining some other stuff that is hard to come by in CRO, normally customs won't bother if it isn't sent by shop, no?

11-17-2002, 04:20 PM	#201
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	Be VERY persuasive! __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

11-17-2002, 11:01 PM	#202
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	I'm busy screwing around with PHP scripts.... dual athlon blocks have a look... one can click on the pics to get bigger ones, and you can even add comments, if you want.... it is still very experimental, so don't blame me if I somehow delete the databasefile, or something, and your comments gets vaporized into the oblivian... __________________ There is no Spoon....

11-18-2002, 05:16 AM	#206
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	#Rotor, that's a niiiiice looking gallery!!! More! More! More!!! About me going to buy some more copper, just to clarify that a little bit more, It's NOT for making more blocks for sale, it's just because I'm kinda hamster-like, when I'm on to something like this, I just tend to make a reserve (and reserve of reserve) of material I need, cos' I cannot get it so easily when I need it, and I never know when I'll be in the mood to make something new... She isn't very happy about that, but I surely am... g.l.amour, this is what I found: the postage for 2 - 3 kg package is 23 Euro. Guy at the post office told me he doesn't see any problems sending a slab of copper to Belgium (you never know what stupid law can be out there and especially here ). I cannot promise anything cos' that scrapyard is 300 km away in another (bigger hehe) city, but I usually go there on a monthly basis (my university is there, I still have several obligations to fulfill) and I'll surely check it out, so if you don't find anything, feel free to let me know, we'll arrange something, NP... __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

11-18-2002, 09:57 AM	#210
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	Errr, the guy said its 3/8. That's about all he said about thread. Hope it will serve the purpose...I'll ask little bit around today afternoon for tappers and all... That 3/8 is kinda hydraulics standard thread here...dunno, I must ask around some more...Hopefully they will be good enough with the teflon tape. If not, I'll epoxy them for seal, like I did it on my current block... For the price, the guy said to me that I won't find them for less than 1.3 Euro machined, and today we agreed on 1.6 Euro/piece, got 8 of them, all nice and on time... __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

11-18-2002, 03:07 PM	#212
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	Whoa you did a great job considering you did it for the first time!!!! Except the block being of brass, everything else looks just GREAT! Man, I'm glad you'll get that copper and keep the good work! I'm not familiar with those thread measurements, can somebody explain them a little? What 1/2 NPT and 3/8 mean? /edit/ and today looks like my lucky day, I found the shop with Allen bolts, bought 20 pcs M4! __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

11-18-2002, 02:00 AM	#203
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	very cool scripting, i like it alot , really. i have to find out how to do that in .net.

11-18-2002, 02:01 AM	#204
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	and puzzdre, thx for listening around man, really, you are one out of a million.

11-18-2002, 03:17 AM	#205
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	damn, i just called a wholesale Cu shop. apparently 50mmx10mmx1000mm weighs 4.5kg price per kg is 2.90€ + sales tax = 3.51€/kg minimum length = 6m (OMG :-( 6m = 27 kg 27kg * 3.51€/kg = 94.7€ for 6m !!! now isn't that cheap although 6 m is about 50 x more than i need, the price is only 2 x more than what the ripper charged me for 1 m of brass.

11-18-2002, 05:42 AM	#207
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	thx for hearing around puzzdre; but i think i'll go out and buy the 6m, the price i'd be paying for that , i'd be surprised noone wanting to buy some. cmon for 15€ per m, that is crazy cheap. any news on the tapping?

11-18-2002, 09:41 AM	#209
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	they look mighty fine to me, and mighty cheap too, think you paid em less than i did mine premachined. what kindof thread u got on em. is it european or american thread system.

11-18-2002, 12:23 PM	#211
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	3/8 seems about it indeed. i got a 1/2 npt and that is a bit much for a 1/2 inside diameter barb. so 3/8 should be just about perfect. my top half out of the crappy brass is ready, tomorrow i'm gonna pick up the 5m of copper for 80€ :-) looks like i won't have too much trouble selling the copper. i expect once (rotor's) block is finished those belgian watercoolers might be a bit more eager to buy the raw copper off me. here ya go, everything about the block will have been made with the equipment i have.

11-18-2002, 04:17 PM	#213
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	well, the tapping rules for the metric bolts, i understand by now. but the hole inches system still has me sort of clueless. i once bought a bunch of 1/4NPT barbs, what a mistake. seems the taps for those kinds of thread cost way more, because they are kind of exclusive in europe. so actually, i have learned that the taps are the most costly part. ask first what kind of tap is most cheap. for the barbs, eg m14 or m15 should do nicely for barbs with upto 10mm ID. buying almost same barbs in NPT size might cost u slightly more on the barb front, but way more on the tap front. BillA once told me something like: there is no free learning ; ofcours he was right ;-)

11-18-2002, 04:29 PM	#214
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	bb2k posted a nice link to the npt specs here http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...5&pagenumber=4 I tried to find something similar for metric, but no luck yet... Is there a 'rule' about how many turns of the teflon tape is needed to seal the barb? A plumber once told me that for water pipes is 12 - 13 full turns of tape... How many for our use? Or is it experimental? __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

11-18-2002, 04:38 PM	#215
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	use your imagination puzzdre. spank on some teflon, try to screw in , if it is too easy to screw, use some more...

11-18-2002, 04:41 PM	#216
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	2 or 3 turns is just fine. That plumber must have been thinking about some pretty large pipes! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

11-18-2002, 04:44 PM	#217
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	If I use my imagination and a teflon tape, She could be glad... Or freak out... __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

11-18-2002, 05:10 PM	#219
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	there will be a time where i will know where to find only the best parts. its been a small miracle to get as far is i got upto now. tomorrow i will go to pick up some Si tubing with some nylon Y fittings. only place in belgium where i found both. if i am in luck, they also carry pvc barbs. the telephone is my best friend. when you are out hunting non pc parts it seems the only way to go in belgium.

11-18-2002, 05:33 PM	#220
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	bb2k, thx for info on tape! PVC and polyethylene barbs are very rare here, except for ordering them from net. I think I'll have enough trouble finding the Y piece with suitable ID... So, one must cope with it, and use what's acceptable and easily available...brass for now... g.l., good luck! When hunting non pc parts here, the only way to go is to actually GO to the shop, and show the pic, explain a lot, wriggle your hands miming the shape of the thingie you're looking for, and usually ask The Question - 'Any idea where I should look some more?' Telephone is better option, but not very lively here... There will be the better times! __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

11-18-2002, 05:39 PM	#221
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Sounds like a miserable place! How about Nylon barbs? Available in white or black from McMaster's. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

11-18-2002, 05:45 PM	#222
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	if u want Y's 12mm ID, i can send u some from belgium. that should be really marginal cost. that mcmaster adress might be something, but feels so stupid ordering some teenie parts from the other side of the world.

11-18-2002, 05:48 PM	#223
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	Weeeelll, almost... The problem is market. It's too small. We have lot's of shops with almost exactly the same offer of things, tools, equipment, etc, and anything used rarely or in some bizarre applications can't be found. Ordering from the US or more developed parts of the Europe is a must in that case. That leads to the greater expenses for sh&h, customs fee etc, so (for now) the things are shitty. Today I heard that one computer shop here (I mean in whole Croatia) has cold cathode tubes for sale. ONE shop, and not one in sight 'till this month. Market... Toooooo small...:shrug: __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

11-19-2002, 03:02 AM	#225
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	i'll pick some up (3 is dumb, i'll get u 5 or something, that way u r ok for future) try imagining some other stuff that is hard to come by in CRO, normally customs won't bother if it isn't sent by shop, no?

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