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View Poll Results: Which block will perform better on a hi-flow 1/2" setup?
Sidewinder TC-4 39 66.10%
GeminiCool "high flow" 20 33.90%
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Unread 03-29-2002, 06:53 PM   #26
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what dya think of the TC-4 fixitt? is it as thick as your spir@l?
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Unread 03-29-2002, 07:12 PM   #27
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TC-4 vrs Fixittt's Spiral. Hehehe I love secrets.
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Unread 03-29-2002, 08:09 PM   #28
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*steals all your secrets*
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Unread 03-29-2002, 08:18 PM   #29
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Unread 03-29-2002, 08:20 PM   #30
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ooh..the score is tied at 2:2 now (I voted one for tc4 hehe)
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Unread 03-29-2002, 08:23 PM   #31
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I got a TC4 in the mail today. You see, I'm a compulsive water block buyer. It's seriously heavy, maybe heavier than the MAZE2. Nicely lapped, and the barbs don't get in the way of the mounting bolts. Should I try it out?
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Unread 03-29-2002, 08:41 PM   #32
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Should I try it out?
Well yeah, kinda defeat the pourpose of buying it if you are not going to try it.
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Unread 03-29-2002, 08:47 PM   #33
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I got a TC4 in the mail today. You see, I'm a compulsive water block buyer. It's seriously heavy, maybe heavier than the MAZE2. Nicely lapped, and the barbs don't get in the way of the mounting bolts. Should I try it out?
thats a no brainer...what blocks do you have to compair it to?
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Unread 03-29-2002, 08:57 PM   #34
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I don't have the proper equipment to test the blocks. Just check out my "Innovatek Block" thread and you'll understand I tried to get a thermal diode reader working, but failed and nearly killed my motherboard. It's a shame because I have MAZE2, Gemini high-flow, TC4, Sidewinder, and Innovatek blocks. I just don't want to publish bogus numbers.

Until I can accurately measure core temps, I'll leave it to people who have the right equipment. Sorry for the tease.

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Unread 03-29-2002, 09:00 PM   #35
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schoolie I think the gist of that Innovatek thread might be that "the right equipment" doesn't exist
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schoolie, even if you do go by the mobo probe, it should give us some fairly relevant figures
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schoolie, even if you do go by the mobo probe, it should give us some fairly relevant figures
yes, being they are all tested on the same hardware it dosn't matter if the temps are off 5C as long as they are consistantly off that amount on each block which it should be if all the variables stay the same. That will give us an idea on the temp differences on each block.
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Unread 03-29-2002, 11:11 PM   #38
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I don't have a working Compunurse probe. I did try the TC4 and ran prime95 for about 20 minutes. My water temp read 16.4C in my res and the KR7A CPU probe read 32C. The only other block I could try was my Innovatek block. My readings for that block were water res temp 15.7C and probe temp 30C. I'll try to do a halfway decent test next weekend, including the Gemini block. My CPU was producing about 90W of heat. Sorry, I don't have more time to test all of the blocks.

Anybody reading this, don't compare these results to other waterblock tests. This was just one run for a short period of time, and the CPU temps, I'm sure, are a few degrees off.

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so the gemini is a little better then. now try some of your other blocks please
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I don't have the proper equipment to test the blocks. Just check out my "Innovatek Block" thread and you'll understand I tried to get a thermal diode reader working, but failed and nearly killed my motherboard. It's a shame because I have MAZE2, Gemini high-flow, TC4, Sidewinder, and Innovatek blocks. I just don't want to publish bogus numbers.

Until I can accurately measure core temps, I'll leave it to people who have the right equipment. Sorry for the tease.

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That is a shame, still it is respectible you would wait and not post false information. Very cool of you schoolie.
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Unread 03-30-2002, 12:37 AM   #41
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Please keep in mind, the CPU temps are +/- 5C
and this is a total BS test...

CPU H2O Delta
Gemini 32 17 15C
TC4 32 16 16C
Innov 30 15.5 14.5C
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Hey we let our presidential elections stand when the results are within the margin of error; why treat waterblocks any differently?
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Please keep in mind, the CPU temps are +/- 5C
and this is a total BS test...

CPU H2O Delta
Gemini 32 17 15C
TC4 32 16 16C
Innov 30 15.5 14.5C
but if the margin of error is the same..that means the results are "fairly" comparable right..so what dya think schoolie? gut feeling if you have to: gemini or tc4?

come on more votes please!
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so the innovatek and gemini are the best, while the tc4 is probably just as good, but they do all perform fairly similar

what about testing a maze2?
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but if the margin of error is the same..that means the results are "fairly" comparable right..so what dya think schoolie? gut feeling if you have to: gemini or tc4?

come on more votes please!
No. If the margin for error is +/- 5C, then unless the numbers are 11C apart from one another you cannot with certainty say that they are different. If the error overlaps then you can determine nothing. That's why everyone moves towards more sensitive temperature monitoring equipment.
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Shallow chanels may not be all that bad, especially when you're using the 1060. More turbulence in a shallower block IMO.
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Shallow chanels may not be all that bad, especially when you're using the 1060. More turbulence in a shallower block IMO.
whatcha vote for?

sigh..no end to the choice in sight..gemini or tc4..
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Between the 2, I would vote for the TC-4 because I'm interested to find out how well the turbulators work being soldered or brazed to the walls and base. Perhaps it should have come with an acrylic top so that you can see the water spiralling through the turbulators. However, a slightly denser coil of turbulators may work better without impacting flow rate much.
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Between the 2, I would vote for the TC-4 because I'm interested to find out how well the turbulators work being soldered or brazed to the walls and base. Perhaps it should have come with an acrylic top so that you can see the water spiralling through the turbulators. However, a slightly denser coil of turbulators may work better without impacting flow rate much.
(did you click on the poll at the top of the page?)

ok..doesn't an acrylic top affect performance? I mean shouldn't an all copper block perform better?
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I think both the TC4 and the Gemini are good blocks, ablaze. You can't go wrong buying either. I feel bad putting these bogus numbers on this thread. Even if my measurements were accurate, we're talking a 1C difference.


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