Got the Z4 today... - Page 5

jaydee · 03-02-2002, 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by Fixittt
LOL, I dont doubt it J.

to tell ya the truth, I took the 4 iddy bitty wussy bolts out, and smacked it one time with a hemmer, and POP it came apart. What do U think aobut the new base I made? Had fun plundging a 1/4 in carbide end mill. Ohh the NOICE it made! LOL

Yeah it looks interesting. Plenty of turbulance!!

Brad · 03-02-2002, 02:20 PM

Fix, could you just knock one of the barbs with a hammer? I'm just curious to see if it will fall apart

jaydee · 03-02-2002, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
Fix, could you just knock one of the barbs with a hammer? I'm just curious to see if it will fall apart

The barbs are threaded in. The epoxy is just a seal.

Brad · 03-02-2002, 03:17 PM

hehe ok, so it'd rip the block apart instead :P

firegate · 03-04-2002, 12:05 AM

Hehe, i'm with you guys.. I'm not too sure about the milling either. An idiot friend of mine ordered one of these things and the bottom was mismachined; I guess these guys have no decent quality control. I also find it funny that I was banned off of the HardOCP forums after telling someone about this in a public thread (after hanging there for about two years without breaking any rules to my knowledge). What a bunch of bull crap; I'll stick with the stuff that works properly..

Brad · 03-04-2002, 12:19 AM

it's because stephanie dell girl is in love with those gits and anything against them is cause for instant bannage

mx-6* · 03-04-2002, 03:39 AM

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Originally posted by firegate
I also find it funny that I was banned off of the HardOCP forums after telling someone about this in a public thread (after hanging there for about two years without breaking any rules to my knowledge). What a bunch of bull crap; I'll stick with the stuff that works properly..

Thats messed up. I'd troll them forever if that happened to me.

p0b0y · 03-04-2002, 10:41 AM

dont know if you have an old z4, but i bought one in november and it has 3/8" fittings and the milling looks deep if you look into the fittings
you also cant see the other channels if you look into the fittings
you have an "old" one perhaps?
dont kill me, plz

Brad · 03-04-2002, 12:18 PM

just send it off to fix, so he can test it to the one he has

Fixittt · 03-04-2002, 04:43 PM

PoBoy

U have a 3/8th fittings in your, which really means U have under that as far as the hole going thure your hose fittings, which would explain why you cannot see the second cahnnel, but for those of use who run 1/2 hose fitting and tubing, all they did to accomodate that was make the holes bigger. Which then leads to the channel overlap.

the channels are milled deep, maybe too deep, as they did not leave enought base thickness for optimal heat x-fer (IMHO) I am like I said glad your block is working for you, but as a standard watercooling block with ambeint temp rang, it is not a good choice.

Brad · 03-04-2002, 06:24 PM

who said it was a good choice for anything?

jaydee · 03-04-2002, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by p0b0y
dont know if you have an old z4, but i bought one in november and it has 3/8" fittings and the milling looks deep if you look into the fittings
you also cant see the other channels if you look into the fittings
you have an "old" one perhaps?
dont kill me, plz

The one I got was actually probably newer than yours. It was only less than 2 months old. Schoolie sent it right ot me right after he got it from CPUFX which wasn't that long ago.

And yes this one has the 1/2" fittings which are way to big for 1/4" channels with 1/16" channels walls. The channels where 1/4" deep bt 1/4" wide. Rather tiny. Way to small for 1/2" barbs or even 3/8". 1/4" ID barbs should be just right for it being that will match the channel size. Another thing is the 1/16-1/8" gap between the top plate and the top of the channel walls. The water will just bypass the channels and go right to the outlet. My theory is they did it with the 1/2" barb version to increase flow rate so it looks like it is doing good, but it is actually deciving because the extra flow is just bypassing the channles and going right acroos the top of them to the outlet.

There is no way anyone can argue that this block is not over priced for what you get. A Maze 2 is cheaper and far better in all respects exept looks.

Fixittt · 03-04-2002, 08:23 PM

Brad,

apperantly for PoBoy (if he is who I think he is) then with his setup, the block seems to be doing failry well. He says it even beats the maze 2`s performance. If I am correct, then he has a oil cooler sitting in a freezer with sub temp air blowing thrue it.

(I am not one to really down grade anything) Maybe this is the best use for this block. Pumping sub temps thrue it. With the base of the block being considerably smaller then the top, I amagine it makes it alot easyer to insolate the socket and the block, as you can get more foam around the base of the block.

It is quite possable that his pump size is also just right for the Z4 and was under powered for the maze2. Hitting the z4`s sweet spot with flow and coolant temp. I am sure there is a good use for every block out there. It just seems that the ambient temp crowd like ourselfs or the pelt crowd would have not use for this block. Other then a paper weight.

Try and find the good in everything. (Shoot the people who make U have to do this

)

firegate · 03-04-2002, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
it's because stephanie dell girl is in love with those gits and anything against them is cause for instant bannage

Well, at least there are still cool people over at hardocp. I wrote kyle an email and was unbanned like 2 hours later.. *shrug*

Fixitt, I see the point about the Z4 possibly being easier to insulate, but I bet the DD would still wreck it if it got a proper amount of water flow..

Fixittt · 03-04-2002, 08:40 PM

Fire I totally agree with you, But in his setup, with his config, he was able to get the Z4 to work better. I dont expect to see this becoming a habit amung overclockers and watercoolers.

Brad · 03-04-2002, 09:02 PM

he probably didn't tighten the bolts correctly or something, there is no way that the z4 could beat a maze2, unless under very specific circumstances. All the reviews of the Z4 I've seen are barely better than mid range air cooling, and we know how much better the maze2 is than any form of air cooling

Fixittt · 03-04-2002, 09:17 PM

I beleive this to be true as well, but I just cant assume someone didnt do something correctly.

I try to look at it as I would, I try and get the best possable performance and am never really happy.

p0b0y · 03-05-2002, 01:38 AM

when did i say i had a maze2?
i just said i have a z4 with 3/8" fittings, not the 1/2" ones and that it is working fine for me(1.8a@2.4)
probably could go higher, but my rdram said "no" to me

Fixittt · 03-05-2002, 10:02 AM

PoBOy, Im sorry I got U confused with someone else on another forum.

That is my mistake.

I was refering to a guy who got better temps from the z4 then he did the maze2.

jaydee · 03-13-2002, 07:10 PM

Looks like CPUFX read this tread????

http://www.overclockershideout.com/M...tegory_Code=WB

Brad · 03-14-2002, 12:04 AM

I bet the base is still 1/16 thick or something, and it still sucks like hell

decodeddiesel · 03-14-2002, 03:54 PM

How much you want to bet it's all AL and they are BS'ing everyone by saying it's Cu with a silver coating. Given their track record I deffiniatly wouldn't put it past them.

Cyco-Dude · 03-14-2002, 04:02 PM

you'ld be able to tell easy if you just picked one up...

decodeddiesel · 03-14-2002, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyco-Dude
you'ld be able to tell easy if you just picked one up...

True, but in order to do so you would hafta buy one

Brad · 03-14-2002, 05:19 PM

most people buying Z4's wouldn't know about the weight anyway

03-02-2002, 02:20 PM	#102
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	Fix, could you just knock one of the barbs with a hammer? I'm just curious to see if it will fall apart __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-02-2002, 03:17 PM	#104
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	hehe ok, so it'd rip the block apart instead :P __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-04-2002, 12:19 AM	#106
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	it's because stephanie dell girl is in love with those gits and anything against them is cause for instant bannage __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-04-2002, 12:18 PM	#109
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	just send it off to fix, so he can test it to the one he has __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-04-2002, 04:43 PM	#110
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	PoBoy U have a 3/8th fittings in your, which really means U have under that as far as the hole going thure your hose fittings, which would explain why you cannot see the second cahnnel, but for those of use who run 1/2 hose fitting and tubing, all they did to accomodate that was make the holes bigger. Which then leads to the channel overlap. the channels are milled deep, maybe too deep, as they did not leave enought base thickness for optimal heat x-fer (IMHO) I am like I said glad your block is working for you, but as a standard watercooling block with ambeint temp rang, it is not a good choice. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-04-2002, 12:05 AM	#105
firegate Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 6	Hehe, i'm with you guys.. I'm not too sure about the milling either. An idiot friend of mine ordered one of these things and the bottom was mismachined; I guess these guys have no decent quality control. I also find it funny that I was banned off of the HardOCP forums after telling someone about this in a public thread (after hanging there for about two years without breaking any rules to my knowledge). What a bunch of bull crap; I'll stick with the stuff that works properly..

03-04-2002, 10:41 AM	#108
p0b0y Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 97	dont know if you have an old z4, but i bought one in november and it has 3/8" fittings and the milling looks deep if you look into the fittings you also cant see the other channels if you look into the fittings you have an "old" one perhaps? dont kill me, plz

03-04-2002, 06:24 PM	#111
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	who said it was a good choice for anything? __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-04-2002, 08:23 PM	#113
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Brad, apperantly for PoBoy (if he is who I think he is) then with his setup, the block seems to be doing failry well. He says it even beats the maze 2`s performance. If I am correct, then he has a oil cooler sitting in a freezer with sub temp air blowing thrue it. (I am not one to really down grade anything) Maybe this is the best use for this block. Pumping sub temps thrue it. With the base of the block being considerably smaller then the top, I amagine it makes it alot easyer to insolate the socket and the block, as you can get more foam around the base of the block. It is quite possable that his pump size is also just right for the Z4 and was under powered for the maze2. Hitting the z4`s sweet spot with flow and coolant temp. I am sure there is a good use for every block out there. It just seems that the ambient temp crowd like ourselfs or the pelt crowd would have not use for this block. Other then a paper weight. Try and find the good in everything. (Shoot the people who make U have to do this ) __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-04-2002, 08:40 PM	#115
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Fire I totally agree with you, But in his setup, with his config, he was able to get the Z4 to work better. I dont expect to see this becoming a habit amung overclockers and watercoolers. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-04-2002, 09:02 PM	#116
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	he probably didn't tighten the bolts correctly or something, there is no way that the z4 could beat a maze2, unless under very specific circumstances. All the reviews of the Z4 I've seen are barely better than mid range air cooling, and we know how much better the maze2 is than any form of air cooling __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-04-2002, 09:17 PM	#117
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	I beleive this to be true as well, but I just cant assume someone didnt do something correctly. I try to look at it as I would, I try and get the best possable performance and am never really happy. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-05-2002, 01:38 AM	#118
p0b0y Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 97	when did i say i had a maze2? i just said i have a z4 with 3/8" fittings, not the 1/2" ones and that it is working fine for me(1.8a@2.4) probably could go higher, but my rdram said "no" to me

03-05-2002, 10:02 AM	#119
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	PoBOy, Im sorry I got U confused with someone else on another forum. That is my mistake. I was refering to a guy who got better temps from the z4 then he did the maze2. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-13-2002, 07:10 PM	#120
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Looks like CPUFX read this tread???? http://www.overclockershideout.com/M...tegory_Code=WB

03-14-2002, 12:04 AM	#121
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	I bet the base is still 1/16 thick or something, and it still sucks like hell __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-14-2002, 03:54 PM	#122
decodeddiesel Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: classified Posts: 534	How much you want to bet it's all AL and they are BS'ing everyone by saying it's Cu with a silver coating. Given their track record I deffiniatly wouldn't put it past them. __________________ ...i hurt... do me a favor, disconect me... they can re-work me but i'll never be top of the line again ...i'd rather be nothing...

03-14-2002, 04:02 PM	#123
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	you'ld be able to tell easy if you just picked one up...

03-14-2002, 05:19 PM	#125
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	most people buying Z4's wouldn't know about the weight anyway __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

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