GlowBottles Dye

richone · 04-30-2002, 08:19 PM

Anyone have any reservations/comments about this dye from glowbottles.com ?

I have been using it for about 4 months without any problems except the vinyl tubing turning red. I am trying Tygon now to get past that problem.

DigitalChaos · 05-01-2002, 12:55 AM

back when ocwc was in business there was alot of talk about it...

ocwc claimed that it killed pumps because it was made of small particles.

but someone on procooling (might have been joe actually) proved that it didnt kill pumps.

so yea.. thats all i know =)

im thinkin about getting it though.. maybe someone should do a glowbottles vs dyelite comparison

DigitalChaos · 05-01-2002, 12:58 AM

what the hell.. i might as well do it.. got some of that stuff on order right now. ill compare it to my green dyelight when i get a chance... i have some blue dyelight from caseetc.com too, but it isnt real dyelight, so it sucks

UnaClocker · 05-01-2002, 09:46 PM

It was I that tested it. My only complaint with the stuff was it horribly stained my RC airplane res. But it didn't kill my pump, and it glowed just as well as Dye-Lite.
I think that was one of the last nails in OCWC's coffin for me.

DigitalChaos · 05-02-2002, 12:37 AM

ahhh thats right.. i remember now =)

bigben2k · 05-07-2002, 04:18 PM

Also available at:
http://dtekcustoms.safeshopper.com/9/99.htm?620

If you look hard enough, you'll find where they get it from (some theater prop maker) where they sell it for $28 for a full pint. (but then, why would you need a full pint when only a few drops will do?)

(Correction: that's not where they get it. See Avatar28's reply below)

DigitalChaos · 05-07-2002, 06:28 PM

thats not glowbottles... thats more of a dyelite

Fixittt · 05-07-2002, 09:48 PM

damn unaclocker, how many nails did U need?

from what I know, they will never ever get outta that coffin..... its made of nails

WebMasta33 · 05-07-2002, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DigitalChaos

ocwc claimed that it killed pumps because it was made of small particles.

Kinda like OCH claims that WatterWetter will kill your pump... but they sell it :shrug:

Pinkster · 05-08-2002, 04:39 AM

does the dtek blue dyelite actually work or does it work about as well as the ocwc blue dyelite?

DigitalChaos · 05-08-2002, 06:47 AM

now dont start calling anything that makes water glow "dyelite" or everyone is gonna start doin it =)

dylite = good

i know shops sell green blue and white dyelite, but the only TRUE dyelite they have is the green. the other colors are probably just a nameless UV dye (like Dtek)

from the looks of the dye on dtek, i would say that the green is the only stuff that will work decently without holding a blacklight 1" from the tube

bigben2k · 05-08-2002, 09:05 AM

Thanks for the correction DC! It's an important point.

We're talking about UV dyes. They are most often used for leak detection.

Dye-lite is a brand name of such a product. It is available in green for a water based application, and in yellow for oil based. It is also available under the name Fluoro-lite, for refrigerant leak detection (i.e. your car's air conditioner).

Here's where it comes from:

http://www.tracerline.com/assortment_packs.html

These guys have it in Green and Blue:
http://www.spectroline.com/hvac_fluo...uel_water.html
Blue: WD-801
Green: WD-802

Check this for a lamp:
http://www.tracerline.com/lamps.html

DigitalChaos · 05-08-2002, 11:39 AM

another.. probably irrelivant point, is that dyelight is a dye, glow bottles is a pigment.

a pigment is basically a powder base, a dye is a liquid base.

OCWC claimed the pigment powder killed his pump. but cmon.. SUPER fine powder killing a pump made to pump pond water?

my only requirements for a good UV additive is that i #1 glows, #2 doesnt stain the system. (obviously no hits to performance and all that...)

OTMOPO3OK · 05-08-2002, 07:37 PM

Could someone suggest a place to buy some dyelite that glows really good under UV.
TIA

DigitalChaos · 05-08-2002, 10:41 PM

there is only one type of green dyelite
it is called green dyelite
you can find green dyelite at caseetc.com for sure... i forget the other stores.

green dyelite does glow alot better than most other UV water additives

Cyco-Dude · 05-09-2002, 12:59 AM

theres also an orange dyelite; i believe its used for finding gasolene leaks (and engine coolant leaks as well i believe).

too bad dyelite is so damn expensive...

bigben2k · 05-09-2002, 07:49 AM

DC, it seems like people are just not following the thread here...

If the is such a thing as an orange UV dye, then it is NOT dye-lite. It may do the job just as well, but IT IS NOT DYE-LITE !!!

(I sit corrected, see next message!)

Now there seems to be a big debate about how any of this stuff affects any pump.

If you're worried about it (which is probably unjustified) then just go with a UV dye (the liquid kind) instead of something like GlowBottles, which is powder based.

Ya'll gotta use some common sense here... If the stuff is sold as a novelty item (i.e. GlowBottles), then you're not really sure if it was made from a liquid dye or a powder. On the other hand, if you buy a product that is labelled as a UV dye/powder (or whatever other name you can come up for it), then you've got a better chance of understanding what it is exactly that you're buying.

Now...

Why don't we talk about figuring out which stuff glows the brightest?

My concern is that whatever additive I use, I'll need a UV lamp to make it glow, and as it's been stated before, unless the lamp is powerfull enough, you'd have to hold/clamp it an inch next to the tubing.

Now... to make things more complicated, UV light is also used as a curing agent for some materials, LIKE SILICONE!!! So even If I was (insanely) willing to go all the way and slap a 100 Watt UV source RIGHT INTO MY CASE, I'd like to know that my tubing is going to survive it.

There's been a lot of talk about Tygon here, but has anyone seen a spec sheet for that stuff?

And another thing...

If I'm using a UV dye and lamp, in order to see it, I'd have to have a window (unless it's strictly for leak detection, in which case I'd just need a portable UV lamp). I like to sit my computer right next to me, so the question arises: can I expect to TAN???

IF any of ya'll look into UV lighting, you'll find a reference to short UV, and long UV (which refers to the wavelength). I forget which is good, and which is bad...

Comments?

Cyco-Dude · 05-09-2002, 08:31 AM

tygon is supposed to be UV resistent. you can find spec sheets here.
and yes, there is an orange dye-lite. ive used it befor when i worked as an auto mechanic. it wouldnt be very good in a watercooled setup, because it doesnt glow nearly as bright as green dye-lite.

bigben2k · 05-09-2002, 08:38 AM

I've got the spec sheet in my hands, and there's nothing about UV resistance, so I'll just have to assume that, based on their statement that it'll outlast anything else 2 to 1, that it's also better in that way.

Cyco-Dude · 05-09-2002, 10:11 AM

heh, i guess you're right, as i cant find any info stating that tygon tubing is or is not UV resistant. as far as outlasting other tubing (silicone specifically), tygon tubing "outlasts other clear tubing 2 to 1 in peristaltic pumps." a peristaltic pump is a pump that moves stuff by mechanical means, such that the only thing touching the stuff thats being moved is the tubing itself. i guess these work not unlike how your esophagus works (contracts to push food down). ive never seen a peristaltic pump tho, so im not sure.

webmedic · 05-09-2002, 10:15 AM

If you've ever given blood you,ve seen one of these. It moves fluids by pushing on the tube then releasing presure and then pushing again. During the pushing it moves down the tube somewat to push the fluids down.

Wow if this stuff works good for that then it should withstand normal use in a computer well.

Cyco-Dude · 05-09-2002, 10:31 AM

lol, ive never givin blood and probably never will *i cant stand huge needles in my arm argh lol*
yes, it should work good, but for the price per foot, it better!

DigitalChaos · 05-09-2002, 10:37 AM

will uv give you a tan? yea probably.. itll also put little scars in the back of your retinas and cause the lense in your eye to yellow

sooooo.... who still wants to run blacklights????

the yellowing process actually happens no matter what as you age. and the yellowing is a protective process to prevent scaring.

uv also has negative effects on your mood....

webmedic · 05-09-2002, 10:48 AM

Wow were did you get that from. I'm not sure but it's not like people are strapping the lights to thier head or anything. And I don't know about others but ionly turn mine on to show to people. It is off most of the time.

Cyco-Dude · 05-09-2002, 10:48 AM

in reply to DC:
lol, i dont think the UV CCs are anywhere near as bad as that.

Quote:

"it's not like people are strapping the lights to thier head or anything...

LOL!!

05-01-2002, 09:46 PM	#4
UnaClocker Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 514	It was I that tested it. My only complaint with the stuff was it horribly stained my RC airplane res. But it didn't kill my pump, and it glowed just as well as Dye-Lite. I think that was one of the last nails in OCWC's coffin for me. __________________ The UnaClocker Watercooler Extraordinaire! Overclock till it goes BOOM!

05-07-2002, 04:18 PM	#6
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Also available at: http://dtekcustoms.safeshopper.com/9/99.htm?620 If you look hard enough, you'll find where they get it from (some theater prop maker) where they sell it for $28 for a full pint. (but then, why would you need a full pint when only a few drops will do?) (Correction: that's not where they get it. See Avatar28's reply below) __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101 Last edited by bigben2k; 05-14-2002 at 11:55 AM.

05-07-2002, 09:48 PM	#8
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	damn unaclocker, how many nails did U need? from what I know, they will never ever get outta that coffin..... its made of nails __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

05-08-2002, 04:39 AM	#10
Pinkster Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: adelaide, australia Posts: 61	does the dtek blue dyelite actually work or does it work about as well as the ocwc blue dyelite? __________________ whats a sig?

05-08-2002, 09:05 AM	#12
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Thanks for the correction DC! It's an important point. We're talking about UV dyes. They are most often used for leak detection. Dye-lite is a brand name of such a product. It is available in green for a water based application, and in yellow for oil based. It is also available under the name Fluoro-lite, for refrigerant leak detection (i.e. your car's air conditioner). Here's where it comes from: http://www.tracerline.com/assortment_packs.html These guys have it in Green and Blue: http://www.spectroline.com/hvac_fluo...uel_water.html Blue: WD-801 Green: WD-802 Check this for a lamp: http://www.tracerline.com/lamps.html __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101 Last edited by bigben2k; 05-08-2002 at 10:15 AM.

04-30-2002, 08:19 PM	#1
richone Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 33	GlowBottles Dye Anyone have any reservations/comments about this dye from glowbottles.com ? I have been using it for about 4 months without any problems except the vinyl tubing turning red. I am trying Tygon now to get past that problem. __________________ --------------------------- Yes, Yes I Am Watercooled. Live Temps

05-01-2002, 12:55 AM	#2
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	back when ocwc was in business there was alot of talk about it... ocwc claimed that it killed pumps because it was made of small particles. but someone on procooling (might have been joe actually) proved that it didnt kill pumps. so yea.. thats all i know =) im thinkin about getting it though.. maybe someone should do a glowbottles vs dyelite comparison

05-01-2002, 12:58 AM	#3
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	what the hell.. i might as well do it.. got some of that stuff on order right now. ill compare it to my green dyelight when i get a chance... i have some blue dyelight from caseetc.com too, but it isnt real dyelight, so it sucks

05-02-2002, 12:37 AM	#5
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	ahhh thats right.. i remember now =)

05-07-2002, 06:28 PM	#7
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	thats not glowbottles... thats more of a dyelite

05-08-2002, 06:47 AM	#11
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	now dont start calling anything that makes water glow "dyelite" or everyone is gonna start doin it =) dylite = good i know shops sell green blue and white dyelite, but the only TRUE dyelite they have is the green. the other colors are probably just a nameless UV dye (like Dtek) from the looks of the dye on dtek, i would say that the green is the only stuff that will work decently without holding a blacklight 1" from the tube

05-08-2002, 11:39 AM	#13
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	another.. probably irrelivant point, is that dyelight is a dye, glow bottles is a pigment. a pigment is basically a powder base, a dye is a liquid base. OCWC claimed the pigment powder killed his pump. but cmon.. SUPER fine powder killing a pump made to pump pond water? my only requirements for a good UV additive is that i #1 glows, #2 doesnt stain the system. (obviously no hits to performance and all that...)

05-08-2002, 07:37 PM	#14
OTMOPO3OK Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 45	So where can i buy some of the real green UV dyelite Could someone suggest a place to buy some dyelite that glows really good under UV. TIA __________________ Keyboard not found. Press F1 to continue...

05-08-2002, 10:41 PM	#15
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	there is only one type of green dyelite it is called green dyelite you can find green dyelite at caseetc.com for sure... i forget the other stores. green dyelite does glow alot better than most other UV water additives

05-09-2002, 12:59 AM	#16
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	theres also an orange dyelite; i believe its used for finding gasolene leaks (and engine coolant leaks as well i believe). too bad dyelite is so damn expensive...

05-09-2002, 07:49 AM	#17
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	DC, it seems like people are just not following the thread here... If the is such a thing as an orange UV dye, then it is NOT dye-lite. It may do the job just as well, but IT IS NOT DYE-LITE !!! (I sit corrected, see next message!) Now there seems to be a big debate about how any of this stuff affects any pump. If you're worried about it (which is probably unjustified) then just go with a UV dye (the liquid kind) instead of something like GlowBottles, which is powder based. Ya'll gotta use some common sense here... If the stuff is sold as a novelty item (i.e. GlowBottles), then you're not really sure if it was made from a liquid dye or a powder. On the other hand, if you buy a product that is labelled as a UV dye/powder (or whatever other name you can come up for it), then you've got a better chance of understanding what it is exactly that you're buying. Now... Why don't we talk about figuring out which stuff glows the brightest? My concern is that whatever additive I use, I'll need a UV lamp to make it glow, and as it's been stated before, unless the lamp is powerfull enough, you'd have to hold/clamp it an inch next to the tubing. Now... to make things more complicated, UV light is also used as a curing agent for some materials, LIKE SILICONE!!! So even If I was (insanely) willing to go all the way and slap a 100 Watt UV source RIGHT INTO MY CASE, I'd like to know that my tubing is going to survive it. There's been a lot of talk about Tygon here, but has anyone seen a spec sheet for that stuff? And another thing... If I'm using a UV dye and lamp, in order to see it, I'd have to have a window (unless it's strictly for leak detection, in which case I'd just need a portable UV lamp). I like to sit my computer right next to me, so the question arises: can I expect to TAN??? IF any of ya'll look into UV lighting, you'll find a reference to short UV, and long UV (which refers to the wavelength). I forget which is good, and which is bad... Comments? __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101 Last edited by bigben2k; 05-09-2002 at 08:35 AM.

05-09-2002, 08:31 AM	#18
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	tygon is supposed to be UV resistent. you can find spec sheets here. and yes, there is an orange dye-lite. ive used it befor when i worked as an auto mechanic. it wouldnt be very good in a watercooled setup, because it doesnt glow nearly as bright as green dye-lite.

05-09-2002, 08:38 AM	#19
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	I've got the spec sheet in my hands, and there's nothing about UV resistance, so I'll just have to assume that, based on their statement that it'll outlast anything else 2 to 1, that it's also better in that way. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

05-09-2002, 10:11 AM	#20
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	heh, i guess you're right, as i cant find any info stating that tygon tubing is or is not UV resistant. as far as outlasting other tubing (silicone specifically), tygon tubing "outlasts other clear tubing 2 to 1 in peristaltic pumps." a peristaltic pump is a pump that moves stuff by mechanical means, such that the only thing touching the stuff thats being moved is the tubing itself. i guess these work not unlike how your esophagus works (contracts to push food down). ive never seen a peristaltic pump tho, so im not sure.

05-09-2002, 10:15 AM	#21
webmedic Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cheney, Wa Posts: 367	If you've ever given blood you,ve seen one of these. It moves fluids by pushing on the tube then releasing presure and then pushing again. During the pushing it moves down the tube somewat to push the fluids down. Wow if this stuff works good for that then it should withstand normal use in a computer well. __________________ www.water-cool.com Last edited by webmedic; 05-09-2002 at 10:27 AM.

05-09-2002, 10:31 AM	#22
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	lol, ive never givin blood and probably never will i cant stand huge needles in my arm argh lol yes, it should work good, but for the price per foot, it better!

05-09-2002, 10:37 AM	#23
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	will uv give you a tan? yea probably.. itll also put little scars in the back of your retinas and cause the lense in your eye to yellow sooooo.... who still wants to run blacklights???? the yellowing process actually happens no matter what as you age. and the yellowing is a protective process to prevent scaring. uv also has negative effects on your mood....

05-09-2002, 10:48 AM	#24
webmedic Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cheney, Wa Posts: 367	Wow were did you get that from. I'm not sure but it's not like people are strapping the lights to thier head or anything. And I don't know about others but ionly turn mine on to show to people. It is off most of the time. __________________ www.water-cool.com

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