COPPER vs. ALuminum is RONG!!!

\\«WÎÑG»// · 08-22-2005, 11:57 PM

Im sorry to say, but Copper is just not better for cooling then aluminum.
I know, I know. people always are saying that COPPER IS BETTER FOR COOLING.
but its not. just cause it has better heat transfer then aluiminum doesnt mean it has better cooling properties. it just isnt the way the world works.

ITS IS A INVALID DISPUTE. copper isnt better for cooling then aluminum.
People dont realise what that means.
copper does the opposite of cooling. heat transfer doesnt mean that it disapates the heat and just gets rid of it.

All it does is take heat, and sticks it on the hole piece of metal. that doesnt mean its cooling. IT MEANS IT HEATS UP MORE RAPIDLY CAUSE IT IS THERMAL CONDUCTIVE, MEANING IT CONDUCTS HEAT BETTER THEN ALUMINUM, MEANING THAT IT DOESNT RESISTS HEAT FROM GROWING.
ITS ALL A LIE, COPPER IS A FAKE. IT WONT HELP THERMAL REDUCTION.

ALUMINUM IS A METAL THAT RESISTS HEAT, AND DOESNT CONDUCT IT. THAT IS WHY IN ROOM TEMP. IT IS ALWAYS COOLER THEN THE SURRONDINGS.

think of it this way people. if you wonted to make a high voltage protecter suit or whatever you wont, that will allow you to work around high voltage cables, YOU WOULDNT WONT A CONDUCTIVE METERIAL LIKE PLATNUM AS YOUR PRTECTION FROM ELECTRICITY! BECAUSE IF YOU DID, IT WOULD ALLOW THE ELECTRICITY TO TRANSFER TO YOUR BoDY AND KILL YOU.

ALUMINUM IS BETTER, AND WILL RESISTS HEAT AND STAY COOLER BETTER THEN COPPER.

Etacovda · 08-23-2005, 12:48 AM

** Etacovda waits for massive flame fest

cotdt · 08-23-2005, 01:21 AM

First of all, where did you get this information?

Sorry Mr. Wing, but I have seen data that suggests that copper is indeed better than aluminum. One example is the Thermalright XP90 (aluminum) versus XP90C (copper) testing, where the XP90C very significantly outperformed its aluminum counterpart and it even outperformed it with a much slower spinning fan. XP90C (48CFM fan) also beat the XP120 (69CFM fan) by 1.1C on the Prescott via probe and 5C via the system sensor.

** cotdt waits for massive flame fest

cotdt · 08-23-2005, 01:26 AM

ahhh upon further inspection, i realize that i am RONG and that aluminum is indeed better than copper, because copper is a fake and a lie. why did i ever put my heart and trust in copper i will never know, for now i know that it was all a big lie all along. =(

LPorc · 08-23-2005, 01:47 AM

Good news class, this thread is being graded on a curve

IQ is based on median values. After reading this I feel like I've gained a few points

Etacovda · 08-23-2005, 01:50 AM

Its hard to take someone seriously that spells 'wrong' wrong.

pdf27 · 08-23-2005, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by \\«WÎÑG»//

ALUMINUM IS A METAL THAT RESISTS HEAT, AND DOESNT CONDUCT IT. THAT IS WHY IN ROOM TEMP. IT IS ALWAYS COOLER THEN THE SURRONDINGS.

This has to be someone taking the piss. That's such a blatant violation of the zeroth law of thermodynamics that I can't believe anyone likely to come on here would actually believe it. Own up, which one of you is trying to get us to bite :shrug: .

Angry_Steel · 08-23-2005, 05:43 AM

Now now, have to give the guy some credit. He spent all this time trying to figure out how to get some ascii characters, and attempt some leet speak so he could barge on in here and impress us all, the least we could do is appreciate it....Yea

Incoherent · 08-23-2005, 06:23 AM

LOL!

What are you trying to say?

Etacovda · 08-23-2005, 07:18 AM

"ALUMINUM IS A METAL THAT RESISTS HEAT, AND DOESNT CONDUCT IT. THAT IS WHY IN ROOM TEMP. IT IS ALWAYS COOLER THEN THE SURRONDINGS"

maybe if i forge some alu, i can make a chiller block that subzeros without power!!!!11onehundredandeleven!

HammerSandwich · 08-23-2005, 08:25 AM

Here I've been using all this electricity to run the AC when all I needed was a big block of aluminum in the middle of the room. Damn, what a waste!

Joe · 08-23-2005, 08:32 AM

Comedy gold!!

Joe · 08-23-2005, 08:34 AM

You know I just got a great idea

We need to make a hall of fame forum, to move threads that are some of the corner stones of what makes procooling special... and those special people who make procooling folks laugh

TerraMex · 08-23-2005, 11:01 AM

just had a good laugh.
thanks.
just as good as "pump power is irrelevant" (older thread)

ricecrispi · 08-23-2005, 11:39 AM

OMG, this must be a new scientific discovery.

Wings, go tell that to several multimillion dollar corporations that they got it wrong and should use aluminum heatsinks and WB's over copper. They should pay you handsomely for this new info you have. I mean you could be rich!!!

Seriously, this has to be a joke but the CAPS and RONG suggest he is very serious.

Quote:

Originally Posted by \\«WÎÑG»//

ALUMINUM IS A METAL THAT RESISTS HEAT, AND DOESNT CONDUCT IT. THAT IS WHY IN ROOM TEMP. IT IS ALWAYS COOLER THEN THE SURRONDINGS.

ALUMINUM IS BETTER, AND WILL RESISTS HEAT AND STAY COOLER BETTER THEN COPPER.

Class is now session.

Aluminum doesn't resist heat at all. It is a thermal condutor but not as good as copper. You are treating them like apples and orange when it's more like valencia orange vs naval orange, copper vs silver, Latoya Jackson vs Michael Jackson.

What you are thinking of is specificity of heat. Cooper's specific heat is 387 J/kg*C and Alum is 900 J/kg*C. The delta Temp is measured by J / (mass * specific heat) = delta T.

Problem is Alum is less dense than copper, so the copper mass is much higher. This makes the delta T of copper and alum about equal. Thermal conductivity is just important and you left that out of the presentation. So go review that topic Wings and know your material before presenting infront of the class.

I give you a D for the presentation and F because of your hacking of the English language.

Joe · 08-23-2005, 12:30 PM

I give him an A+ for the hard work he put into ASCII'fying his nic

SpeedSwede · 08-23-2005, 01:02 PM

Voted 5 Good Sir

Brians256 · 08-23-2005, 01:11 PM

Ya know... I just wonder if this post was done by someone who is normally a serious poster, but just wanted to see what happens when you kick a hornet's nest.

In any case, it gave me a chuckle.

mikoto · 08-23-2005, 01:35 PM

c'mon
own up!
Which one of you freaks posted that?
lol, really good stuff

edit: spelling

Bignuts · 08-23-2005, 01:52 PM

Sic Pat Roberts on him!

pHaestus · 08-23-2005, 02:16 PM

Joe: YOU NEED TO HACK THE RATING SYSTEM SO IT'LL GO TO ELEVEN!

Ruiner · 08-23-2005, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe

Comedy gold!!

I guess for a site called procooling.

If you want teh funnay on teh intarweb then www.genmay.com is the place to go.

Joe · 08-23-2005, 02:59 PM

Umm what

No Genmay is horribly stupid. But I appreciate the site quite a lot. What it does is keep all the stupid on the internet in one spot. Its easier to track it that way

Also guys, this may be a serious post, since wings IP doesnt match any other users IP on the forums... hmmm

snowwie · 08-23-2005, 06:36 PM

there are so many obviously false statements on the post that it MUST be a joke

Long Haired Git · 08-23-2005, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by \\«WÎÑG»//

ALUMINUM IS A METAL THAT RESISTS HEAT, AND DOESNT CONDUCT IT. THAT IS WHY IN ROOM TEMP. IT IS ALWAYS COOLER THEN THE SURRONDINGS.

Quote:

Originally Posted by \\«WÎÑG»//

ALUMINUM IS BETTER, AND WILL RESISTS HEAT AND STAY COOLER BETTER THEN COPPER.

OMG, we've been going the wrong way. Obviously, we need to INSULATE our CPUs, not conduct heat away from them.
I expect a heap of glass and ceramic water blocks and HSF's to hit the market any minute now.
I wonder if Cathar will make a version of the Storm out of Space-Shuttle-Tile ceramic instead of ripping us off with silver. Cathar you Bastard!

P.S. Sarcasm may be in use in thread above.

08-22-2005, 11:57 PM	#1
\\«WÎÑG»// * Bannified for being Rong * $\\«WÎÑG»//'s Avatar$ Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: united states Posts: 22	COPPER vs. ALuminum is RONG!!! Im sorry to say, but Copper is just not better for cooling then aluminum. I know, I know. people always are saying that COPPER IS BETTER FOR COOLING. but its not. just cause it has better heat transfer then aluiminum doesnt mean it has better cooling properties. it just isnt the way the world works. ITS IS A INVALID DISPUTE. copper isnt better for cooling then aluminum. People dont realise what that means. copper does the opposite of cooling. heat transfer doesnt mean that it disapates the heat and just gets rid of it. All it does is take heat, and sticks it on the hole piece of metal. that doesnt mean its cooling. IT MEANS IT HEATS UP MORE RAPIDLY CAUSE IT IS THERMAL CONDUCTIVE, MEANING IT CONDUCTS HEAT BETTER THEN ALUMINUM, MEANING THAT IT DOESNT RESISTS HEAT FROM GROWING. ITS ALL A LIE, COPPER IS A FAKE. IT WONT HELP THERMAL REDUCTION. ALUMINUM IS A METAL THAT RESISTS HEAT, AND DOESNT CONDUCT IT. THAT IS WHY IN ROOM TEMP. IT IS ALWAYS COOLER THEN THE SURRONDINGS. think of it this way people. if you wonted to make a high voltage protecter suit or whatever you wont, that will allow you to work around high voltage cables, YOU WOULDNT WONT A CONDUCTIVE METERIAL LIKE PLATNUM AS YOUR PRTECTION FROM ELECTRICITY! BECAUSE IF YOU DID, IT WOULD ALLOW THE ELECTRICITY TO TRANSFER TO YOUR BoDY AND KILL YOU. ALUMINUM IS BETTER, AND WILL RESISTS HEAT AND STAY COOLER BETTER THEN COPPER.
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08-23-2005, 12:48 AM	#2
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08-23-2005, 01:21 AM	#3
cotdt Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: CALIFORNIA Posts: 50	First of all, where did you get this information? Sorry Mr. Wing, but I have seen data that suggests that copper is indeed better than aluminum. One example is the Thermalright XP90 (aluminum) versus XP90C (copper) testing, where the XP90C very significantly outperformed its aluminum counterpart and it even outperformed it with a much slower spinning fan. XP90C (48CFM fan) also beat the XP120 (69CFM fan) by 1.1C on the Prescott via probe and 5C via the system sensor. ** cotdt waits for massive flame fest __________________ SilentPCReview.com Silence = no fans, no harddrive Last edited by cotdt; 08-23-2005 at 01:38 AM.

08-23-2005, 01:26 AM	#4
cotdt Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: CALIFORNIA Posts: 50	ahhh upon further inspection, i realize that i am RONG and that aluminum is indeed better than copper, because copper is a fake and a lie. why did i ever put my heart and trust in copper i will never know, for now i know that it was all a big lie all along. =( __________________ SilentPCReview.com Silence = no fans, no harddrive Last edited by cotdt; 08-23-2005 at 02:45 AM.

08-23-2005, 01:50 AM	#6
Etacovda Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dunedin NZ Posts: 735	Its hard to take someone seriously that spells 'wrong' wrong. __________________ Hypocritical Signature I tried to delete: Procooling: where scientific principles are ignored because big corporations are immune to mistakes and oversights.

08-23-2005, 01:47 AM	#5
LPorc Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 66	Good news class, this thread is being graded on a curve IQ is based on median values. After reading this I feel like I've gained a few points

08-23-2005, 05:43 AM	#8
Angry_Steel Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Torremolinos, Spain Posts: 76	Now now, have to give the guy some credit. He spent all this time trying to figure out how to get some ascii characters, and attempt some leet speak so he could barge on in here and impress us all, the least we could do is appreciate it....Yea

08-23-2005, 06:23 AM	#9
Incoherent Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vallentuna, Sweden Posts: 410	LOL! What are you trying to say? Last edited by Incoherent; 08-23-2005 at 07:09 AM.

08-23-2005, 07:18 AM	#10
Etacovda Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dunedin NZ Posts: 735	"ALUMINUM IS A METAL THAT RESISTS HEAT, AND DOESNT CONDUCT IT. THAT IS WHY IN ROOM TEMP. IT IS ALWAYS COOLER THEN THE SURRONDINGS" maybe if i forge some alu, i can make a chiller block that subzeros without power!!!!11onehundredandeleven! __________________ Hypocritical Signature I tried to delete: Procooling: where scientific principles are ignored because big corporations are immune to mistakes and oversights.

08-23-2005, 08:25 AM	#11
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08-23-2005, 08:32 AM	#12
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	Comedy gold!! __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

08-23-2005, 08:34 AM	#13
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	You know I just got a great idea We need to make a hall of fame forum, to move threads that are some of the corner stones of what makes procooling special... and those special people who make procooling folks laugh __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

08-23-2005, 11:01 AM	#14
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	just had a good laugh. thanks. just as good as "pump power is irrelevant" (older thread) __________________ "we need more cowbell."

08-23-2005, 12:30 PM	#16
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	I give him an A+ for the hard work he put into ASCII'fying his nic __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

08-23-2005, 01:02 PM	#17
SpeedSwede Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Up North Posts: 22	Voted 5 Good Sir

08-23-2005, 01:11 PM	#18
Brians256 Pro/Staff Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 1,439	Ya know... I just wonder if this post was done by someone who is normally a serious poster, but just wanted to see what happens when you kick a hornet's nest. In any case, it gave me a chuckle.

08-23-2005, 01:35 PM	#19
mikoto Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: smog Posts: 47	c'mon own up! Which one of you freaks posted that? lol, really good stuff edit: spelling __________________ "I hate people faggoting up my forums to no good end..." --pH

08-23-2005, 01:52 PM	#20
Bignuts Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 155	Sic Pat Roberts on him!

08-23-2005, 02:16 PM	#21
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08-23-2005, 02:59 PM	#23
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	Umm what No Genmay is horribly stupid. But I appreciate the site quite a lot. What it does is keep all the stupid on the internet in one spot. Its easier to track it that way Also guys, this may be a serious post, since wings IP doesnt match any other users IP on the forums... hmmm __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

08-23-2005, 06:36 PM	#24
snowwie Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 154	there are so many obviously false statements on the post that it MUST be a joke

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