New outrageous Panworld pumps

[nimrod_o]

Here are the specs for the new PIZ series:





(Sorry about the butchering of your original stuff cathar)



Now the 20PI-Z-D has a similar curve to the MD30RZ
with a heat output of a MD 20RZ at (input X output) of 55 x 30 watts!!!
Head=~5.5 meters @ Flow=~9.5-10 LPM

Calculations:
10PI-Z-D, WB delta = 16.5C, Water delta = 118 * 0.041 = 4.84C, Total CPU Temp = 21.34C above ambient

Doing the same math for the 20PI-Z-D with 30 watts output:
We'll get the following flow rates, and also the corresponding radiator C/W, and waterblock C/W at that flow rate:
~10LPM, 0.039, 0.157.

WB delta = 100W * 0.157C/W = 15.7C,
Water delta = 130 * 0.039 = 5.07C,
Total CPU Temp = 20.8C above ambient.

So now we have the following temps above ambient with the following pumps:
(Originally by Cathar at ProCooling - the reds are my additions)

+20.8C => Panworld 20PI-Z-D
+20.8C => 2 x Swiftech MCP600 @ 13.8v (series)
+20.9C => Swiftech MCP600 @ 13.8v
+21.1C => Iwaki MD-20RZ @ 60Hz
+21.1C => 2 x Swiftech MCP600 @ 12.0v (series)
+21.2C => Iwaki MD-20RZ @ 50Hz
+21.34C=> Panworld 10PI-Z-D
+21.4C => Swiftech MCP600 @ 12.0v
+21.4C => 2 x Eheim 1048 (series)
+21.5C => Iwaki MD-15R @ 60Hz
+21.6C => Swiftech MCP650 @ 12.0v
+21.6C => Iwaki MD-30RZ @ 50Hz
+21.7C => Iwaki MD-30RZ @ 60Hz
+21.9C => Eheim 1250
+22.3C => Eheim 1048
+23.3C => Eheim 1046

Comments would be welcome.

[MadHacker]

Any pictures? can't seem to google anything on them

[nimrod_o]

Here:
http://www.panworldamericas.com/id1.html

[SlaterSpeed]

Originally Posted by nimrod_o

Here:
http://www.panworldamericas.com/id1.html

humm ive seen that yellow one somewhere before

[CoolROD]

I am just about to bring my RD-30 online, but this does look interesting. Any ideas on price / availability? Noise? Anybody using one? Can you vary the motor speed without damage? Do they sell through distribution?

This line of pumps deserves further investigation. Someone interested should give them a call. The 24 VDC could be a little awkward, but the Iwaki RD-30 has a similar drawback...

[Blackeagle]

Links to sources (retailers) of this pump? Price?

[BillA]

I liked the one with a 4-20mA speed control - for testing
dunno about accuracy or repeatability

[nimrod_o]

unregistered
I liked the one with a 4-20mA speed control - for testing

You are not reffering to the PI series but the PX series.
You are reffering specifically to the AC pump.
Havn't seen this regarding the DC pump.

[lolito_fr]

I liked the one with a 4-20mA speed control - for testing

You are reffering specifically to the AC pump

AC pump with integrated VFD? sweet but unlikely...or expensive

[CoolROD]

Originally Posted by unregistered

I liked the one with a 4-20mA speed control - for testing
dunno about accuracy or repeatability

That was the feature that caught my eye, also. The variable speed with integrated process control made me a little jealous. I had no idea that feature would be available. I have had to build a variable converter (3-terminal regulators) to get variable speed. I still haven't fired it up yet -so no comment on the effectiveness.

I could have controlled the pump directly with my onboard PLC. Mabye we will know more about these by the time I build another system...

[JamesAvery22]

so has anyone gotten their hands on a PI yet?

[JamesAvery22]

Soooo anyone ever find these things?

[phextwin]

Panworld Sales in singapore quoted me:

NH-15PI-Z-D - SING DOLLARS 560 EACH
NH-20PI-Z-D - SING DOLLARS 680 EACH

With 50 % discouts for orders over five (and 60% for over 10 ). Since i was not ordering five, i couldn't justify the ~520AUD for the purchase.

[MaxxxRacer]

phextwin, what units are those prices in??? 500 for a pump that isnt much better than a md20 is not much of a deal imo, especially when you can get a rd-30 for less.

[phextwin]

Singaporian (SING) dollars and australian (AUD) dollars.

Can't get rd-30's in aust that i know of unfortunatly, i asked iwaki aust and they don't do single unit orders, and declined to tell me of where i could get some . Only IWAKI's that i can find on ebay are MD-40's, 15's & 10's (not the z's either). Bleh.

Also, the 20-PI is ~= md30rz, but is DC = more efficient , though of course, real world gains would be negligable :/

[nimrod_o]

Phextwin - why would you bother with these pumps when you can still get a MCP 600 in australia? (though i see the prices are still quite high there for this pump.)

As i am stuck...can't get the mcp 600
- neither in Israel or the US
(Cooltechnica seem to be "closed" - no replies to emails....i hope everything is o.k. there.)
I might try these pump out.

[Cathar]

Phextwin - I would be willing to part with my Iwaki MD-30RZ for the right offer...

[MaxxxRacer]

nimrod, that is odd. I have friend over at XS buying mcp600's from cooltechnica right and left. i know of 3 who bought them in the last couple of weeks.

[Butcher]

Wow they look nice, 680 singapore dollars is a lot of cash for a pump though. :/

[MVC]

Price update. PanWorld quoted me the following prices yesterday:

15PI-Z-D is US$209
20PI-Z-D is US$253
30PI-Z-D is US$275

and noted that the 20PI-Z-D is currently out of stock. The pumps will run at 18VDC to 36VDC, they wont start at 12VDC so seperate power would be required.

[Risky]

Originally Posted by CoolROD

The 24 VDC could be a little awkward...

You can get a small stepup transformer for in-car use to run it off your PSU. I got one with my AP1500 that had switched 12,15,18,21,24V and modified it to run true variable 12-24V off a pot on the front bezel.

[nimrod_o]

Nice work Risky.

[Butcher]

A 24V supply hooked up off the mains is also pretty easy to do, or you could buy a small psu prebuilt.

[RaptorRaider]

Originally Posted by MVC

15PI-Z-D is US$209
20PI-Z-D is US$253
30PI-Z-D is US$275

And you'll still be getting 50% discount for 5 and 60% for 10 pumps?
Could be interesting to see how many people would buy one for $253x0.4=$101.2=€78.67.

[JamesAvery22]

nice old thread. Now did anyone ever even see one of these things in person? Ever?

I hunted for awhile and never found anything past this thread :shrug: