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10-15-2004, 11:05 AM | #176 | |
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Green Zone was address in previous post From my experience most of the country looked like it was set back 1000 or so. However, that was due to sanctions not bombing. I spent over a month in the town where thoughts pictures taken. Moreover, everyday the kids and the parents came out to greet us and offer us tea. So I'd pipe down because you really have no clue as to what the situation on the ground looks like. |
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10-15-2004, 11:40 AM | #177 |
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Of course they would. Hospitality is a big thing in Arab culture, and frankly most of the population just wants to get along and get their lives back on track.
Nevertheless the occupations, and the sanctions before then, and our support of a certified grade A dictator before then is messing with people's lives.
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I try to go easy on the Britt’s because I fought alongside the Desert Rats. Nevertheless, you are asking for this one. If you want to go back to original sin, the lets talk about the European Colonial Period. You (UK), French, Belgians, Germans and Dutch are all to blame for the political shit holes called the Middle East and Africa. You divided the borders based on your own economic need. You used the people for there resources natural and human and you didn't bother to offer the locals you used citizenship or protection under your laws. You created artificial boarder with ethnic groups who hated one another and then put strong men in charge so you could still exploit them after your colonial period ended. Almost all the problems now in that part of the world can be traced back to your colonial period. With that said, at least the UK left behind good schools, a common language, rail systems, cannels and roads. Which is more than I can say for the rest colonial powers. |
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10-15-2004, 01:32 PM | #180 | |
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My point was that our nations are all to blame. We are not swooping in like heros to save the Iraqis from oppression and bring them the shining light of democracy; the best we can say is that we are trying to clean up our shitty mess that we created in the first place, and that we share a good bit of responsibility for those mediapathic pictures of mass graves. So let's stop pretending that we are such good guys, and that the Iraqis are so grateful to us, and have no reason whatsoever to hate our guts.
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10-15-2004, 02:14 PM | #181 | |
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The pictures I posted are all from the cameras of the people in my unit. Since it is the digital camera era, we all swapped photos. All the pictures were taken over several months. What most amazes me is that several seconds of footage on the news trump’s guys coming back and telling you things are not as bad as the news makes them out to be. Moreover, if they show you pictures you still don’t believe it. You would think people would be a little more sophisticated and realize the news organizations have an agenda. It is not a right or left, liberal or conservative agenda, it is to sensationalize events so you tune in or read the article so they can make money. Last edited by Lothar5150; 10-15-2004 at 03:58 PM. |
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10-15-2004, 03:26 PM | #182 |
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LOL News organizations = ratings/money. Anyone remember the toppling of the Saddam statue? Remember how the Iraqi's were having some fun with that? Remember the beginning of that clip and the end of that news clip? Did you know there was a nice gun battle for a few hours inbetween that was cut out of that whole clip or selectively cut out to sensationalize that event?
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10-15-2004, 03:28 PM | #183 |
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I appreciate that, but the people who go there to fight and try and rebuild the country are subjective too. They believe in what they're doing --they have to, otherwise why put yourself in the middle of it-- and have a set of beliefs and predispositions that made them sign up in the first place. Don't think I don't respect your courage or your convictions, but you are not more objective than the press.
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10-15-2004, 03:37 PM | #184 | |
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Nobody pitched a fit during El Salvador. All to fight the Communist at the time. Yes it came that close to American borders. Russian Communist during that time had this thing for taking over countries that couldn't stand on their own. Middle East was a prime target for them after UK got done taking what they could get out of them. |
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10-15-2004, 03:42 PM | #185 | |
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I'd have to say your wrong. You havn't been there and these guys have first hand experience that wasn't selectively fed to them by the media. |
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Hey Hey Hey, Do blame me for bad facts, I just copied and pasted from the Email. I liked the shock value.
Any ideas on my church voting area conundrum?
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By the look of some of the replies in this thread , It Makes me think they are just narrow minded and are not capable comprehending the biger picture in the world :/
The Age of Liberty http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...0410150826.asp The pictures from IRAQ that you won't see in the NEWS http://www.pbase.com/kburch/the_pict...ee_in_the_news PS: I wont let you know who i,m voting for ,Thats a private matter , But i can tell you this, It wont be Kerry or nader |
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10-15-2004, 04:56 PM | #190 |
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what about the public school that is 5min. away apposed to the church that is 10min. ?
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whole lotta propaganda in those schools, gotta be careful
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10-15-2004, 05:17 PM | #192 |
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I got a free quantum mechanics lesson in a Louisiana Baptist church once. Preacher went on and on about the uncertainty of scientists as proven by Heisenberg. I told the preacher afterwards that if he could master physical chemistry without ever even opening a book that I was sure I could do the same thing with Christianity and that I wouldn't be needing his services in the future.
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have to love deductive reasoning
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10-15-2004, 06:07 PM | #194 |
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You guys are too much...
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Speaking about the news media and the election coverage:
Wow John Stewart was on Crossfire today and ripped pretty much everyone in the mainstream news media a new one. Quote:
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10-15-2004, 07:55 PM | #196 |
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I'd like to see where everyone places on the political compass test... See one of my previous posts or search "Political Compass" in google. I placed right near Ghandi
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that john stewart thing is awesome mail me it a "the.lipster [at] gmail.com"
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5.00/-5.60 (Libertarian right just as you'd expect). Some of those questions are a little arbitrary though in the USA. For example I agree with a local or state government having the right to tax citizens to fund a museum (if the local people approve it then why not?) but I don't see that as a legitimate function of the US federal govt.
I am uploading a compressed version of that crossfire episode now. It should be done in about 5-6 minutes. It's the most surprising things I have ever seen on tv this year (Janet Jackson's nipple excluded). You can find it at: http://phaestus.procooling.com/stewart-crossfire/ Don't spread the link outside of the Proforums too widely; I don't want to eat up all the site's bandwidth hosting this 36mb file to the world at large. |
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What compression does that clip use ph?... It comes out all strange coloured, like someone ran a solarize filter on it...
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