226W Tec + Bong!

gkiing · 06-13-2004, 12:49 PM

I just finished setting up my new 226w peltier, at 1.5vcore 2300mhz on a tbred B im getting 10C idle and ~30C load.. is that normal? The tubing from the outlet of the waterblock seems quite warm. Is it possible my bong can't handle this setup? I think i'm getting about 1GPM flow through it, with 1 mcp600 @ about 1.7m head, would adding another pump help? The airflow through the bong is ~100CFM.

gkiing · 06-13-2004, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gkiing

I just finished setting up my new 226w peltier, at 1.5vcore 2300mhz on a tbred B im getting 10C idle and ~30C load.. is that normal? The tubing from the outlet of the waterblock seems quite warm. Is it possible my bong can't handle this setup? I think i'm getting about 1GPM flow through it, with 1 mcp600 @ about 1.7m head, would adding another pump help? The airflow through the bong is ~100CFM.

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I found the problem.. my MCP600 pump is only pushing a trickle of water through the loop.. I guess it's too weak. Can anyone reccomend me a better pump?

james111 · 06-13-2004, 02:24 PM

Danner Mag 3 should do a good job.

SlaterSpeed · 06-13-2004, 02:45 PM

erm the MCP600 is better than the Danner Mag3! Edit: like i say id not know much about bongs

I dont know much about bongs but adding another pump can boost performance.

Btw.What block are you using?

killernoodle · 06-13-2004, 03:34 PM

No it isnt. Above 60gph, the mag 3 owns the mcp. Look at the P/Q graphs of the pumps side by side. The mag 3 should push more fluid through the loop and much faster. For a bong setup, it is important to have a lot of flow through the shower head thing.

There is a guy on the OC forums that has a mcp 600 shooting a stream of water about 4 inches in the air, but when I put my mag 3 in a sink and turn it on it shoots water in my face, and I'm 6'2" (true story

).

gkiing · 06-13-2004, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by killernoodle

No it isnt. Above 60gph, the mag 3 owns the mcp. Look at the P/Q graphs of the pumps side by side. The mag 3 should push more fluid through the loop and much faster. For a bong setup, it is important to have a lot of flow through the shower head thing.

There is a guy on the OC forums that has a mcp 600 shooting a stream of water about 4 inches in the air, but when I put my mag 3 in a sink and turn it on it shoots water in my face, and I'm 6'2" (true story

).

I'm using the Swiftech MCW462-UHT. I realized that it wasnt getting eneough flow because the water in my res was 45C, lol, but the tec still kept my cpu around 20C. If I can get the water temp around 25C i should be able to load around 5C or so. So the Mag3 is the best choice? What about the mag5? The bong doesnt experience the problems with adding more heat into the water because of pumps, as the hotter the water is the better itl perform.

Cranky · 06-13-2004, 05:20 PM

Iuse the Danner mag 5 on my rig and it ownz to be honest. The flow rate out of that pump is way more than i will probally ever need. The price was pretty good too, picked one up for about 65$ at a pet store i use to work at..

pauldenton · 06-13-2004, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SlaterSpeed

erm the MCP600 is better than the Danner Mag3!

I dont know much about bongs but adding another pump can boost performance.

Btw.What block are you using?

mcp600 is not a good choice with a bong... since whereas the rest of the loops resistance increases with flow squared, the head needed to raise the water to the top of the bong remains the same (at the height of the bong...)

how tall is the bong? that'll be the best guide to what pump'd be best...

jlrii · 06-13-2004, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by killernoodle

No it isnt. Above 60gph, the mag 3 owns the mcp. Look at the P/Q graphs of the pumps side by side. The mag 3 should push more fluid through the loop and much faster. For a bong setup, it is important to have a lot of flow through the shower head thing.

There is a guy on the OC forums that has a mcp 600 shooting a stream of water about 4 inches in the air, but when I put my mag 3 in a sink and turn it on it shoots water in my face, and I'm 6'2" (true story

).

The Mag 3 holds the lead untill just about 3m of head then the MCP pulls ahead, but not by much. Both move about 2 lpm @ 3m. Either one is a good choice, beyond them you get into Little giant , Iwaki and Johnson Pumps...more money but lots more performance. Are you sure everything is clear?....No algae or mineral build-ups?

Also is yours one of the original MCPs? If so it could be failing

OOps for got the Liand D4 It holds better than th MCP through out the curve and beats the Mag 3 at any head above 1.5m. Dead head is @ about 3.9m. Kicks ass for the $75 it costs if you can deal with a lil more noise.

killernoodle · 06-13-2004, 07:26 PM

For 75 i'll bet you can get a mag 7 or 9...

jlrii · 06-13-2004, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by killernoodle

For 75 i'll bet you can get a mag 7 or 9...

Haven't seen them..hows the noise level ams dependability?

gkiing · 06-14-2004, 04:32 PM

The Bong's about 5' tall. I just filled it the other day, and theres no calcium deposits or algae or anything like that, the problem is the poor flow rate. I live in canada, and I have no idea where I can get a mag 3 or 5. My mcp600 is the original pump, but I replaced the impeller for a rev2 one.

jlrii · 06-14-2004, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gkiing

The Bong's about 5' tall. I just filled it the other day, and theres no calcium deposits or algae or anything like that, the problem is the poor flow rate. I live in canada, and I have no idea where I can get a mag 3 or 5. My mcp600 is the original pump, but I replaced the impeller for a rev2 one.

What block are you using??

EDIT: oops nm

pauldenton · 06-15-2004, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by gkiing

The Bong's about 5' tall. I just filled it the other day, and theres no calcium deposits or algae or anything like that, the problem is the poor flow rate. I live in canada, and I have no idea where I can get a mag 3 or 5. My mcp600 is the original pump, but I replaced the impeller for a rev2 one.

in that case i suspect that you need to either cut the height of the bong, or get a pump with higher head... just raising water the 5' is half way to the max head of the mcp600, before any resistance for the tubing and block... in effect you need (when looking at a p/q curve for a pump) to draw the zero line at 1.54M

ever thought of an iwaki? this'd do the job
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=3821128643

Cranky · 06-15-2004, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jlrii

Haven't seen them..hows the noise level ams dependability?

my model 5 was kinda loud when i had a smaller rad with a more narrow tube diamater. when i wet to a black ice 120 dual rad, it quieted down nicely.

gkiing · 06-15-2004, 11:39 PM

Wow.. im there with that iwaki. Don't anyone try and steal it...

pauldenton · 06-16-2004, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gkiing

Wow.. im there with that iwaki. Don't anyone try and steal it...

it's gone - did you get it? -if not the same seller has another but i wouldn't hang around iiwy

gkiing · 06-17-2004, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldenton

it's gone - did you get it? -if not the same seller has another but i wouldn't hang around iiwy

i'm bidding on the second one..

pauldenton · 06-17-2004, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gkiing

i'm bidding on the second one..

good luck - hope you don't regret not using "buy it now"....

Demonfire · 06-20-2004, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by killernoodle

For 75 i'll bet you can get a mag 7 or 9...

Yeah but the 7 and 9 are ****ing huge pumps, i wouldnt be surprised if it shot the blocks off.

pauldenton · 06-20-2004, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonfire

Yeah but the 7 and 9 are ****ing huge pumps, i wouldnt be surprised if it shot the blocks off.

13' and 15' head respectively - no risk of that!

Jabo · 06-21-2004, 04:16 AM

Why don't you go to your local DIY store and buy yourself domestic heating circulator pump?
I used one and it was a marvel! Totaly silent, massive power compared to the usual WC lot ad dirt cheap. The only drawback (there must be one of course) was that it puts some heat into the water but with bong cooler it is not important as much as it would be with radiator cooled assy

Check out Grundfos pumps (europe) or any other ones since they are extremely reliable (if installed properly) and I don't think you are planning on using it for more than 20 years

06-13-2004, 12:49 PM	#1
gkiing Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada! Posts: 21	226W Tec + Bong! I just finished setting up my new 226w peltier, at 1.5vcore 2300mhz on a tbred B im getting 10C idle and ~30C load.. is that normal? The tubing from the outlet of the waterblock seems quite warm. Is it possible my bong can't handle this setup? I think i'm getting about 1GPM flow through it, with 1 mcp600 @ about 1.7m head, would adding another pump help? The airflow through the bong is ~100CFM.

06-13-2004, 02:45 PM	#4
SlaterSpeed Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Suffolk, UK Posts: 234	erm the MCP600 is better than the Danner Mag3! Edit: like i say id not know much about bongs I dont know much about bongs but adding another pump can boost performance. Btw.What block are you using? __________________ aka. slater3333uk - The self proclaimed 'Middle Player' 'Liquified' Last edited by SlaterSpeed; 06-13-2004 at 06:01 PM.

06-13-2004, 03:34 PM	#5
killernoodle Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,014	No it isnt. Above 60gph, the mag 3 owns the mcp. Look at the P/Q graphs of the pumps side by side. The mag 3 should push more fluid through the loop and much faster. For a bong setup, it is important to have a lot of flow through the shower head thing. There is a guy on the OC forums that has a mcp 600 shooting a stream of water about 4 inches in the air, but when I put my mag 3 in a sink and turn it on it shoots water in my face, and I'm 6'2" (true story ). __________________ I have a nice computer.

06-13-2004, 07:26 PM	#10
killernoodle Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,014	For 75 i'll bet you can get a mag 7 or 9... __________________ I have a nice computer.

06-21-2004, 04:16 AM	#22
Jabo Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hertfordshire, England Posts: 164	Why don't you go to your local DIY store and buy yourself domestic heating circulator pump? I used one and it was a marvel! Totaly silent, massive power compared to the usual WC lot ad dirt cheap. The only drawback (there must be one of course) was that it puts some heat into the water but with bong cooler it is not important as much as it would be with radiator cooled assy Check out Grundfos pumps (europe) or any other ones since they are extremely reliable (if installed properly) and I don't think you are planning on using it for more than 20 years __________________ Museum piece but .... Medusa cooled

06-13-2004, 02:24 PM	#3
james111 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: al Posts: 21	Danner Mag 3 should do a good job.

06-13-2004, 05:20 PM	#7
Cranky Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: texas Posts: 92	Iuse the Danner mag 5 on my rig and it ownz to be honest. The flow rate out of that pump is way more than i will probally ever need. The price was pretty good too, picked one up for about 65$ at a pet store i use to work at..

06-14-2004, 04:32 PM	#12
gkiing Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada! Posts: 21	The Bong's about 5' tall. I just filled it the other day, and theres no calcium deposits or algae or anything like that, the problem is the poor flow rate. I live in canada, and I have no idea where I can get a mag 3 or 5. My mcp600 is the original pump, but I replaced the impeller for a rev2 one.

06-15-2004, 11:39 PM	#16
gkiing Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada! Posts: 21	Wow.. im there with that iwaki. Don't anyone try and steal it...

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