Performance of Pelt vs reg water?

Unoid · 11-23-2005, 12:45 AM

I'm wonder what would be a good guess for the increase of going to TEC:
Using: MCP655 pump, Storm or equiv CPU block, quad 120mm fan heatercore (4 per side)

Cooling lets say an Opteron 146 as a good example.

With just the water I'd get what? 3ghz?
How much higher could I go with a powerful tec that will cool 226-250watt
you tell me!? I'd guess like 3.2ghz?

Trying to decide if spending moeny on TEC will be worth the performance gain.

flatline · 11-23-2005, 03:08 AM

dont know mutch about tecs but i do know the focused jet flow of Storm means its a bad choice for a tec if it wud cool it atall id recomend a block but that kinda thing starts wars round this place

Unoid · 11-24-2005, 11:59 AM

heh, block doens't bother me much I'll get whats best at the time I need it, I'm just wondering if anyone has done tests to see how much more mhz they can produce out of going tec vs their water.

ricecrispi · 11-24-2005, 04:06 PM

You will hit 2.8-2.9 on air, 2.9-3.1ghz on water and pelt cooling 3.0- 3.2ghz but i doubt you can push the cpu much further than 3.0- 3.1ghz. That's usually the limit the lower clocked AMD cpus right now.

Check out overclockers .com and their cpu database link and see what people are getting. Now they make you login though ... BS

The opteron have larger L2 chache and this gives them a eqvuivalent 100-150 mhz advantage on similiar 2 ghz amd cpus.
I would get a REV. E 3200+, overclocks very well and save the $50 get a new board or spend the money elsewhere. REV.E 3000+ is good overclocker if you have a pelt setup.

Unoid · 11-24-2005, 06:43 PM

I suppose if I cna max cpu volts in bios and be at reasonable temps ocing, then pelt will only help[ if I voltmod the mobo for higher volts right?

Revivalist · 11-26-2005, 11:07 AM

If it helps at all. . . I have a mcp655 & BIX III and I just went from a Storm to a TEC setup with a 320W TEC. I was able to overclock about 500MHz more and my temps went from 27C/48C (idle/load) to -9C/22C. Other info is in my sig below.

Long Haired Git · 11-26-2005, 02:27 PM

Deleted: Just saw revivalist's thread about his rig: http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...stpage&t=12383

ricecrispi · 11-26-2005, 06:25 PM

I think the 2.6-2.7 ghz revivalist got is due to the psu not supplying a stable 1.8 V. He went down to 1.7 and more MHZ. .....

You also have to factor in quality of CPU, mobo, ram, psu and not just the cooling equipment.

AMD CPU overclocking: Winchesters Rev.E > Newcastles

Revivalist · 11-26-2005, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricecrispi

I think the 2.6-2.7 ghz revivalist got is due to the psu not supplying a stable 1.8 V. He went down to 1.7 and more MHZ. .....

That's an interesting point. Here's a graph of my Vcore while running occt at 1.70V Vcore. The ripple is 0.06V which is 3.18%.

Revivalist · 11-27-2005, 01:24 AM

Ok, here's a graph running at 1.80V Vcore with 2.60GHz. The ripple is 0.06V which is 3.15% now. So I think that wasn't the problem after all? :shrug:

ricecrispi · 11-27-2005, 04:40 PM

Might be the cpu itself. Not all cpus are built the same even if they are cut from the same waffle.

On water I got 2.5 on my newcastle, 2.6 on my Venice REV.E., and my 64 mobile does 2.8 on water. All about 200 mhz over Zalman Cnps 7000 air setup.

The K8 cpus were holding me back. My mushkin ram went 2-2-2-7 at 265 on my DFI sli-dr, the best board for overclocking.

Pretty shitty overclockers compared to my Barton 2600 that got 2.2 ghz on air and 2.5 ghz on water and my t-bred 1700 that got up to a 2400 speeds

11-23-2005, 12:45 AM	#1
Unoid Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: INdiana Posts: 23	Performance of Pelt vs reg water? I'm wonder what would be a good guess for the increase of going to TEC: Using: MCP655 pump, Storm or equiv CPU block, quad 120mm fan heatercore (4 per side) Cooling lets say an Opteron 146 as a good example. With just the water I'd get what? 3ghz? How much higher could I go with a powerful tec that will cool 226-250watt you tell me!? I'd guess like 3.2ghz? Trying to decide if spending moeny on TEC will be worth the performance gain.

11-23-2005, 03:08 AM	#2
flatline Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: uk Posts: 109	dont know mutch about tecs but i do know the focused jet flow of Storm means its a bad choice for a tec if it wud cool it atall id recomend a block but that kinda thing starts wars round this place __________________ "<pH> I'll stab you in the genitals with a rusty shank if you touch my computer stuff" "we are only 'mean' to the persistently ignorant, lazy, and anyone who questions us" BillA

11-26-2005, 11:07 AM	#6
Revivalist Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Fresno, CA, USA Posts: 16	If it helps at all. . . I have a mcp655 & BIX III and I just went from a Storm to a TEC setup with a 320W TEC. I was able to overclock about 500MHz more and my temps went from 27C/48C (idle/load) to -9C/22C. Other info is in my sig below. __________________ AMD 64 3400+ Newcastle 2.2GHz @ 2.70GHz --- ASUS A8V @ 270MHz HTT 1GB dual OCZ @ DDR530, 2.5-3-3-8 --- MSI 6600GT @ 600 GPU, 1.30GHz RAM 2x80GB Hitachi RAID 0 on VIA --- Aspire 500W & Vigor 400W dual power supplies Cooling: Maze4-1 CPU block with 245/320 TEC, chrome Maze4 GPU block, BIX III, MCP655 pump, 1/2" tubing

11-26-2005, 02:27 PM	#7
Long Haired Git Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sydney, Oz Posts: 336	Deleted: Just saw revivalist's thread about his rig: http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...stpage&t=12383 __________________ Long Haired Git "Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted." (Prof. Gene Spafford) My Rig, in all its glory, can be seen best here AMD XP1600 @ 1530 Mhz \| Soyo Dragon + \| 256 Mb PC2700 DDRAM \| 2 x 40 Gb 7200rpm in Raid-0 \| Maze 2, eheim 1250, dual heater cores! \| Full specifications (PCDB)

11-24-2005, 11:59 AM	#3
Unoid Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: INdiana Posts: 23	heh, block doens't bother me much I'll get whats best at the time I need it, I'm just wondering if anyone has done tests to see how much more mhz they can produce out of going tec vs their water.

11-24-2005, 04:06 PM	#4
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	You will hit 2.8-2.9 on air, 2.9-3.1ghz on water and pelt cooling 3.0- 3.2ghz but i doubt you can push the cpu much further than 3.0- 3.1ghz. That's usually the limit the lower clocked AMD cpus right now. Check out overclockers .com and their cpu database link and see what people are getting. Now they make you login though ... BS The opteron have larger L2 chache and this gives them a eqvuivalent 100-150 mhz advantage on similiar 2 ghz amd cpus. I would get a REV. E 3200+, overclocks very well and save the $50 get a new board or spend the money elsewhere. REV.E 3000+ is good overclocker if you have a pelt setup.

11-24-2005, 06:43 PM	#5
Unoid Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: INdiana Posts: 23	I suppose if I cna max cpu volts in bios and be at reasonable temps ocing, then pelt will only help[ if I voltmod the mobo for higher volts right?

11-26-2005, 06:25 PM	#8
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	I think the 2.6-2.7 ghz revivalist got is due to the psu not supplying a stable 1.8 V. He went down to 1.7 and more MHZ. ..... You also have to factor in quality of CPU, mobo, ram, psu and not just the cooling equipment. AMD CPU overclocking: Winchesters Rev.E > Newcastles

11-27-2005, 04:40 PM	#11
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	Might be the cpu itself. Not all cpus are built the same even if they are cut from the same waffle. On water I got 2.5 on my newcastle, 2.6 on my Venice REV.E., and my 64 mobile does 2.8 on water. All about 200 mhz over Zalman Cnps 7000 air setup. The K8 cpus were holding me back. My mushkin ram went 2-2-2-7 at 265 on my DFI sli-dr, the best board for overclocking. Pretty shitty overclockers compared to my Barton 2600 that got 2.2 ghz on air and 2.5 ghz on water and my t-bred 1700 that got up to a 2400 speeds

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