Won the Radiator Lottery! - Page 2

bigdawginva · 11-10-2002, 10:05 PM

I saw that about an hour ago and put it on my watch list. Didn't know it was you. Is there a fan besides the Lytron listed fans that would work with that?

BillA · 11-10-2002, 10:20 PM

any 172mm fan will fit

I have a Lytron Tornado (it is BIG) but its 110VAC
but cheap, $10

gone_fishin · 11-10-2002, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by unregistered
no, its eBay that is variable
$50, no bidders, $200 - all the same item
- its when 2 people chase the same item that the price goes up

I just listed a Lytron also, but aluminum and bit big
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=1787010044

Hehe, BillA where's your photo? They got free image hosting at 5mb bandwidth per day over there.
http://www.villagephotos.com/

BillA · 11-10-2002, 10:47 PM

I dunno
displays fine for me

all better ?
(same link)

gone_fishin · 11-10-2002, 11:05 PM

Got the old red x inabox when I first tried it, but it is working now.

BillA · 11-10-2002, 11:16 PM

its on pwebtech, truly THE worst hosting co in this country
should be changed in 2 weeks

ambient · 11-11-2002, 11:56 AM

man forget the rad go for the chiller.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=1785620072

BillA · 11-11-2002, 12:39 PM

that is an MCS10 (and $150 !)
the rad above is from an MCS30 (1/4 hp pump motor, etc), same box, bigger components inside

bigben2k · 11-11-2002, 12:47 PM

I hate to dissapoint ya'll but that's not a chiller, it's just a cooler: same principle as your basic PC watercooling setup.

The PDF specifically states: "...suited for high-heat applications that do not require refrigerated liquid cooling..." "...if you operate above ambient temperatures..."

The good news is that it's a rackmount unit, and that should be perfect for you, Airspirit.

BillA · 11-11-2002, 01:01 PM

no Ben, not a rackmount
I've had 8 of these and the frames will not support them when hung from the front

bigben2k · 11-11-2002, 01:13 PM

Ah! Once again, correct.

The MCS10 is available in a rackmount version (see PDF, page 2), but that's not one of them.

bigdawginva · 11-11-2002, 01:38 PM

Can I assume that since it's a MCS10H that it's 220v or am I incorrect? I couldn't find info on the "03M01" piece of the model number since the pdf file doesn't appear to list the 03 and M01. If that MCS10H03M01 is 115v then I'm just going to get that and not worry about bidding on the MCS10G03M01.

bigdawginva · 11-11-2002, 01:50 PM

LMAOPMIP...this place is a hoot...5 minutes after these last few posts about the MCS this one starts getting bids on it!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...784974000&rd=1

bigben2k · 11-11-2002, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdawginva
Can I assume that since it's a MCS10H that it's 220v or am I incorrect? I couldn't find info on the "03M01" piece of the model number since the pdf file doesn't appear to list the 03 and M01. If that MCS10H03M01 is 115v then I'm just going to get that and not worry about bidding on the MCS10G03M01.

I downloaded the entire catalog, and couldn't find any reference. You'd have to e-mail the seller.

airspirit · 11-11-2002, 02:21 PM

The reason I wouldn't use it is that it's a generic WC setup for the lazy. Yes, it looks pretty for an external unit, but I can build better myself. That's why I picked up the Uberradiator. The pump in that wouldn't power my system right, anyway. Plus, the choice of positioning for the res is questionable, if I'm reading it right. Putting the res after the pump output is an instant flowkiller.

I did look at one of these, but it just doesn't do the job for me, methinks. Besides, I'm not installing in a rack anymore, so the 19" constraint isn't there. I'll be building up from a homegrown McGuyver MCS that measures 30"Wx20"Hx20"D ( http://users.adelphia.net/~jnsholcomb/Page1.htm ). I'm just going to use stacked Enlight 7200 desktop cases (same effect, same benefits, 15% the cost overall, but not quite as supa-geek as the pure rackmount).

BillA · 11-11-2002, 02:34 PM

the bigger units are actually kinda nice

3/4" from a 3qt. res to the pump inlet, 3/4" pump to rad thru a filter, 1/2" rad out and res return
with a low coolant float switch and a pump cutout relay
(but thats a unit with all the options), and not too silent - ahem

as airspirit said, not optimized for CPU cooling at all

airspirit · 11-11-2002, 02:39 PM

I would guess that the MCS that was listed above would perform on par to a BIXr2 w/ 2xPanaflo "M", a Danner 500 GPH pump, and a milk carton. The difference is that you can fit all those things inside of your case most of the time. That MCS would be a little tight in there (this is when somebody shows up with a picture of a case with more square footage than my house).

dax · 11-11-2002, 03:11 PM

hmm i've been looking for rads like this in europe for quite a while now... (basicly the reason why my project which is quite similar to airspirit's, but i'm using 2U cases, isn't making progress). Anyone has an idea where i could find something like that in europe? (if i have to go alu, i'll go full alu, the purpose of this watercooler is silence anyhow, not überperformance)

Btw, for the interested ones, one 2U case is almost finished. Pics will be up when my sis returns my digicam.

g.l.amour · 11-11-2002, 03:22 PM

io dax, i remember that u too were talking about making some WB's, are they alu or cu?

problem is that i'm having trouble finding cu where we live, u got any ideas?

dax · 11-11-2002, 03:39 PM

no idea where to find copper around here... and bout my waterblocks, i have a milion designs in my head, so alu or copper, it doesn't really matter... if i can find a large al rad, i'll go with al blocks, if i can find a large cu rad, i'll go with cu blocks

airspirit · 11-11-2002, 03:53 PM

Search for Lytron on Ebay. There are a few surplus outlets that are constantly auctioning them off. You will find them in either copper (6000 series) or steel (4000 series) with copper fins. The copper ones will run you between $60-150 USD and the steel ones between $30-100 USD. Try for a copper one. You should be able to find them in sizes much smaller than the one I got for alot less ($50 USD range).

bigben2k · 11-11-2002, 04:02 PM

In the copper series, there's also an "economical" line:
M05-050, M05-100, M10-080, M10-160, M14-120 and M14-240.

Do take the time to download the Lytron catalog, to check out the specs: that last unit is 14 inches high, and 24 inches wide (2 inch thick).

Watch out for the flow restrictions, and the heat dissipation. Multiple rads in parallel might be in order here.

Warning: the catalog is a 5.5 MB file!

Personally, I'll stick with heatercores

bigdawginva · 11-11-2002, 04:33 PM

Well, the pump, rad and fan alone are worth more than $150. Scavange it or sell the parts individually and make more than $150. Although I must say I'm impressed when I read that a 1/16hp pump won't power their system. Also, rerouting the lines doesn't seem too tough for more effective positioning although the large picture of the open one seems to be accurate.

shaft01 · 11-11-2002, 06:56 PM

I bought two of the MCS30 Lytron units (alum rads) a while back on Ebay for $75.......The cases were somewhat scarred up but the internals were like new.......They were represented as MCS20 units (copper rads) which is what I was looking for.......So I didnt end up using any of the components......

I did however sell the two Iwaki MD70RXT pumps for a total of $250 and the two radiators (identical to BillA's) for $40 total and the two 172mm 110v fans for $20 total......thats $310 + shipping for a $75 investment......not bad

bigdawginva · 11-11-2002, 07:47 PM

Well done. My point exactly.

11-10-2002, 10:05 PM	#26
bigdawginva Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA Posts: 104	I saw that about an hour ago and put it on my watch list. Didn't know it was you. Is there a fan besides the Lytron listed fans that would work with that? Last edited by bigdawginva; 11-10-2002 at 10:14 PM.

11-11-2002, 11:56 AM	#32
ambient Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 312	man forget the rad go for the chiller. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=1785620072 __________________ water cooled 1.4 tbird @ 1580 143x11 vcore 1.88 vio 3.55

11-11-2002, 12:47 PM	#34
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	I hate to dissapoint ya'll but that's not a chiller, it's just a cooler: same principle as your basic PC watercooling setup. The PDF specifically states: "...suited for high-heat applications that do not require refrigerated liquid cooling..." "...if you operate above ambient temperatures..." The good news is that it's a rackmount unit, and that should be perfect for you, Airspirit. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

11-11-2002, 01:13 PM	#36
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Ah! Once again, correct. The MCS10 is available in a rackmount version (see PDF, page 2), but that's not one of them. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

11-11-2002, 01:38 PM	#37
bigdawginva Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA Posts: 104	Can I assume that since it's a MCS10H that it's 220v or am I incorrect? I couldn't find info on the "03M01" piece of the model number since the pdf file doesn't appear to list the 03 and M01. If that MCS10H03M01 is 115v then I'm just going to get that and not worry about bidding on the MCS10G03M01. Last edited by bigdawginva; 11-11-2002 at 01:55 PM.

11-10-2002, 10:20 PM	#27
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	any 172mm fan will fit I have a Lytron Tornado (it is BIG) but its 110VAC but cheap, $10

11-10-2002, 10:47 PM	#29
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	I dunno displays fine for me all better ? (same link)

11-10-2002, 11:05 PM	#30
gone_fishin Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Da UP Posts: 517	Got the old red x inabox when I first tried it, but it is working now.

11-10-2002, 11:16 PM	#31
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	its on pwebtech, truly THE worst hosting co in this country should be changed in 2 weeks

11-11-2002, 12:39 PM	#33
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	that is an MCS10 (and $150 !) the rad above is from an MCS30 (1/4 hp pump motor, etc), same box, bigger components inside

11-11-2002, 01:01 PM	#35
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	no Ben, not a rackmount I've had 8 of these and the frames will not support them when hung from the front

11-11-2002, 01:50 PM	#38
bigdawginva Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA Posts: 104	LMAOPMIP...this place is a hoot...5 minutes after these last few posts about the MCS this one starts getting bids on it! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...784974000&rd=1 Last edited by bigdawginva; 11-11-2002 at 01:56 PM.

11-11-2002, 02:21 PM	#40
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	The reason I wouldn't use it is that it's a generic WC setup for the lazy. Yes, it looks pretty for an external unit, but I can build better myself. That's why I picked up the Uberradiator. The pump in that wouldn't power my system right, anyway. Plus, the choice of positioning for the res is questionable, if I'm reading it right. Putting the res after the pump output is an instant flowkiller. I did look at one of these, but it just doesn't do the job for me, methinks. Besides, I'm not installing in a rack anymore, so the 19" constraint isn't there. I'll be building up from a homegrown McGuyver MCS that measures 30"Wx20"Hx20"D ( http://users.adelphia.net/~jnsholcomb/Page1.htm ). I'm just going to use stacked Enlight 7200 desktop cases (same effect, same benefits, 15% the cost overall, but not quite as supa-geek as the pure rackmount). __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

11-11-2002, 02:34 PM	#41
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	the bigger units are actually kinda nice 3/4" from a 3qt. res to the pump inlet, 3/4" pump to rad thru a filter, 1/2" rad out and res return with a low coolant float switch and a pump cutout relay (but thats a unit with all the options), and not too silent - ahem as airspirit said, not optimized for CPU cooling at all

11-11-2002, 02:39 PM	#42
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	I would guess that the MCS that was listed above would perform on par to a BIXr2 w/ 2xPanaflo "M", a Danner 500 GPH pump, and a milk carton. The difference is that you can fit all those things inside of your case most of the time. That MCS would be a little tight in there (this is when somebody shows up with a picture of a case with more square footage than my house). __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

11-11-2002, 03:11 PM	#43
dax Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ghent, Belgium Posts: 83	hmm i've been looking for rads like this in europe for quite a while now... (basicly the reason why my project which is quite similar to airspirit's, but i'm using 2U cases, isn't making progress). Anyone has an idea where i could find something like that in europe? (if i have to go alu, i'll go full alu, the purpose of this watercooler is silence anyhow, not überperformance) Btw, for the interested ones, one 2U case is almost finished. Pics will be up when my sis returns my digicam.

11-11-2002, 03:22 PM	#44
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	io dax, i remember that u too were talking about making some WB's, are they alu or cu? problem is that i'm having trouble finding cu where we live, u got any ideas?

11-11-2002, 03:39 PM	#45
dax Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ghent, Belgium Posts: 83	no idea where to find copper around here... and bout my waterblocks, i have a milion designs in my head, so alu or copper, it doesn't really matter... if i can find a large al rad, i'll go with al blocks, if i can find a large cu rad, i'll go with cu blocks

11-11-2002, 03:53 PM	#46
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Search for Lytron on Ebay. There are a few surplus outlets that are constantly auctioning them off. You will find them in either copper (6000 series) or steel (4000 series) with copper fins. The copper ones will run you between $60-150 USD and the steel ones between $30-100 USD. Try for a copper one. You should be able to find them in sizes much smaller than the one I got for alot less ($50 USD range). __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

11-11-2002, 04:02 PM	#47
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	In the copper series, there's also an "economical" line: M05-050, M05-100, M10-080, M10-160, M14-120 and M14-240. Do take the time to download the Lytron catalog, to check out the specs: that last unit is 14 inches high, and 24 inches wide (2 inch thick). Watch out for the flow restrictions, and the heat dissipation. Multiple rads in parallel might be in order here. Warning: the catalog is a 5.5 MB file! Personally, I'll stick with heatercores __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

11-11-2002, 04:33 PM	#48
bigdawginva Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA Posts: 104	Well, the pump, rad and fan alone are worth more than $150. Scavange it or sell the parts individually and make more than $150. Although I must say I'm impressed when I read that a 1/16hp pump won't power their system. Also, rerouting the lines doesn't seem too tough for more effective positioning although the large picture of the open one seems to be accurate.

11-11-2002, 06:56 PM	#49
shaft01 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 41	I bought two of the MCS30 Lytron units (alum rads) a while back on Ebay for $75.......The cases were somewhat scarred up but the internals were like new.......They were represented as MCS20 units (copper rads) which is what I was looking for.......So I didnt end up using any of the components...... I did however sell the two Iwaki MD70RXT pumps for a total of $250 and the two radiators (identical to BillA's) for $40 total and the two 172mm 110v fans for $20 total......thats $310 + shipping for a $75 investment......not bad __________________ System: BlackMax See website: webpages.charter.net/mlhg01/

11-11-2002, 07:47 PM	#50
bigdawginva Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA Posts: 104	Well done. My point exactly.

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