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Unread 12-31-2004, 11:18 PM   #1
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Default Hooking Pelt up in Series

Knowing just about enough about electricity to be dangerous, I would like to ask if anyone has tried powering thier pelts using this configuration. I would like to run 3 80 watt pelts in series using the positive 12 volt and negitive 12 volt line on my psu. The power supply is good for 20 amps on the + 12 volt line and 5 amps on the - 12 volt line.
So what would the current total be? 25 a or 20 a or 5 a. I figure that it will be at least 20 amps. Then I'm also wondering what the voltage drop will be across the three pelts.
So let me try some math here... If you take three 80 watt pelts in series you have a total wattage of 240 watts. If you take that total wattage and divide by the volts you would have a current of around 10 amps. Knowing total amperage and total power I figure each pelt will drop about 8 volts. Now because they are in series my psu will only need to put out 10 amps and 24 volts.
If anyone has tried this please let me know. If anyone dissagrees with my thinking, I look forward to hearing from you.
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Unread 01-01-2005, 12:01 AM   #2
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hooking up to +12v and -12v will give you a 24V potential difference, no?
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Unread 01-01-2005, 11:46 AM   #3
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Yes it will, but I worried about hooking them up to each rail and the avalible current from that configuration. Because each rails current ratting is based on max load to ground not to a negitive rail. Does that make sence.
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Unread 01-01-2005, 12:10 PM   #4
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Let's say the 80W TEC you have is rated Qmax = 80W , Imax = 8 Amps , Vmax = 16.1V

now you want to run this pelt @ 12V

EDIT : 5.96 Amps each x 3 = 17.88 A

You need a PSU with ~18 Amps on the 12V rail
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If he wants to run them in series then it would be the 3 TEC's across 24 volts.
each one drawing 8 volts.
if @ 12volts there is 5.96 Amps(A)
then @ 8 volts there is 3.97 A across each TEC
since you have 3 of them you need a powersupply that can support 11.92 or 12A.
now would that be 6A from the positive and 6A from the negative?
only thing I'm not shure about is if the calculation to dertermin the initial Amps is correct... does it scale linerarly?
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each pelt would draw 8v assuming they all the same.

If the pelts are different, they will draw different voltages, but the total will still ad up to 24V.
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to get the rated Qmax of 80 watts the chip consumes 8 amps at 16.1 volts or 128.8 watts. basic ohm's law: E=IxR (E=volts, I=amps, R=ohms) the resistance of each chip at rated voltage and current is 2 ohms (R=E/I) in a series circut, resistances add (2ohms +2 ohms + 2 ohms =6ohms) total applied voltage, 24 volts, total circut amprage 4amps(I=E/R). watts =volts x amps, total watts consumed by the three chips in series, 96 watts. this results in cooling performance less than a single pelter at rated voltage and current. as far as the power supply is concerned using the +12v and the -12v rails will produce 24 volts, however, only at a current equal to the -12v rail. trying to draw more will either damadge or shut down the power supply.
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Also note that TECs are semiconductors and thus don't follow ohm's law perfectly. In particular at low voltages you'll see some markedly different effects as you approach the semiconductor junction forward voltage.
Other than that caveat, Bigmack is correct (except voltage is generally V not E).
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Also note that TECs are semiconductors and thus don't follow ohm's law perfectly. In particular at low voltages you'll see some markedly different effects as you approach the semiconductor junction forward voltage.
Other than that caveat, Bigmack is correct
really? i didnt know that.

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(except voltage is generally V not E).
I think physicists sometimes call it E.
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E is the Electric field, V is Voltage, the electric potiential. They're different things; V is the distance integral of E.
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Ohm's law is voltage though not electric field...
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then it isnt E, but I know in physics electric potential is sometimes refered to by a letter other than V, I just cant remember what it is.
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I've seen it called p.d. (potential difference) and EMF (electromotive force).
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yea, EMF is what I was thinking of.

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