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07-21-2005, 06:48 PM | #1 |
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O-rings vs Gasket - sealing the block
I'm designing a cheap easy waterblock aimed for moderate performance.
It consists of a copper base and an acrylic top section. For reasons I don't wish to discuss, I was hoping to use an o-ring between the two, but with no groove at all. I was hoping to use a 2.0mm thickness o-ring that was quite compressible, thinking it would be around 1.0mm thick once fully compressed (D50?) What chances of sealing? My next thought was putting a smear of silicon sealant just "to be sure". Failing that, I could get a (neoprene?) gasket. Ironically, it would be a round shape and again I'd be looking at it being 1mm thick or so once compressed. However, an off the shelf o-ring is going to be lot cheaper than a custom neoprene gasket. Advice appreciated...
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07-21-2005, 07:23 PM | #2 |
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It might be cheaper to make a Cu top and smelt the two together. This would provide a better seal, and might be cheaper if done in mass production. If your going to use an O-ring, I would at least cut a groove in the block (unless of course your equipment doesn't allow for this).
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07-21-2005, 08:14 PM | #3 |
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If you don't trust just silicone you could get some rubber gasket material in sheets and cut a peice to fit. Should have the stuff at an autoparts store. Just make sure your screw spacing is close, especially with a plastic top. I would just use clear silicone though. Once you tighten the bolts you can't even tell the stuff is there.
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07-21-2005, 08:23 PM | #4 |
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I have used only silicone to seal this block.
I applied some of it and once the bolts were tightened it spread evenly. After 24 hours I tested it for leaks and voilá, it's been running for about 5 months with no problems. If you are not planning on opening the block say, once or twice a week, silicone is definetly the way to go. ________ TaTs |
07-21-2005, 08:38 PM | #5 |
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Yeah - I'd go with the rubber gasket material.
Heck, I even have some 1mm thick stuff here if you want me to send you some. |
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1) Cheap. Very little silicon material used per block, and silicon material is cheap. O-rings are more expensive than I thought, but I assume much cheaper than a custom gasket shape. O-rings at AUD$2.30 each? Sigh. Oh hang on, if I find a commonly used size they're like AUD$0.60. Phew! 2) Easy. A quick and easy job with no real skills required. Perhaps a minute per block including making it look good. 3) Professional. It won't look cheap, even though it is. 4) Simple: Joe-Blo has the tools at home to take the block apart, clean it up, put it back together and get it right. He/she could replace the barbs or o-ring or bolts if damaged without needing to buy them off me. 5) Protective: I can mark the silicon with a mark from a stamp and hence know if a block has been reassembled. Quote:
Even so, I can't see how I can cheaply make them coz I waste so much material. Cutting them out by hand is out too - too time consuming. The benefit is I can use a custom shape of the rubber mate to make my block a little better, but the cost scares me. Sigh. In my searching I have come across "X rings" and also "Boss Gaskets". Not sure if they will be better for what I want to do?
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07-22-2005, 11:33 AM | #8 |
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X rings are like O rings, but are better at sealing surfaces that rotate around eachother. They are more commonly used on motorcycle chains and such. They also hold lubrication better than O rings. Really, the benefits of using X rings just arent there for waterblocks.
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07-25-2005, 12:07 PM | #9 | |
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If your top is thick enough, and you leave adequate space between the O-Ring's channel ane the acrylic sides - the construction will be quite strong. Despite of the thickness of the O-Ring, it can be smashed so the two parts of the block will be practically touching each other IF the channel is accordingly machined. How to do this - look at the attached drawing (a well known picture about O-rings indeed, and I've tested it with a lot of them). |
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07-25-2005, 09:20 PM | #10 |
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I don't want the top and base touching.
I am relying on the O-ring to provide a small seperation between the two for reasons I do not wish to discuss. I am well aware of what the O-ring groove does, and how it is an intrisic part of the sealing process, and how it normally aides strength. I was just hoping to avoid needing to use it. Actually, strength is an issue I suppose. With only the O-ring between the top and bottom, I will have a fair bit of clamping pressure when the block is mounted. I'll also need a thick copper base to avoid warping...
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07-25-2005, 09:49 PM | #11 | |
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Not sure what you want the gap for but it could be milled into the top. I have done similar myself as I to wanted a gap but I needed the acrylic top to sit as flat over the largest surface area I could so it won't crack. Just mill the area you want the gap down a little and leave the rest. |
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