Got the Z4 today...

jaydee · 02-13-2002, 04:19 PM

schoolie sent me a Z4 to test.

So far I am not even sure it is worth mounting but I will later. This block is pathetic in alsmost every way. The only thing I give them a thumbs up on is the actuall milling. It is done well inside and out. BUT that dosn't mean it will work. The first flaw I noticed is it has the 1/2" barbs on this one. These barbs cover a channel and a half!!! You can look down the hole and see one full channel and 1/2" of the one next to it. That just cannot be good. And the channels are tiny which I expected, but I thought they where deep to make up for the lack of width but they are not deep either. 1/2" barbs will be totally worthless in any respect. Why they would sell them with 1/2" barbs even on a custom order is just rediculous. 1/4" barbs is what they need to stick with ONLY as any wider and is exposes the other channels beside it. I can't think that is good for flow. The bottom is epoxieed on with 4 screws for support which is ok. The barbs are also epoxed on and are definatly leakless.

I am putting together a 1/2" system and will test this thing later this week.

So far it looks like the "Chrome Orb" of the water cooling world.

Once I test it I will tear it apart and take some better pics.

Pyrotechnic · 02-13-2002, 04:21 PM

ummm, they didn't even use real copper, just some garbage alloy.

jaydee · 02-13-2002, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pyrotechnic
ummm, they didn't even use real copper, just some garbage alloy.

Well it has a copper/silver (I think) alloy bottom and a aluminum anodized top.

schoolie · 02-13-2002, 05:23 PM

Yeah, man. You pretty much covered it:

1. Mounting is a pain in the butt
2. Water channel is tiny. The photos are so misleading on the web site.
3. 1/2" fittings will spray into adjacent channel
4. No mass to it. It prolly weighs about 100g.

My system wouldn't even post when I first installed it. I had to reduce my multiplier and bring the Vcore down. In summary, basuras, but it would be ok, if your CPU is pushing less than 75W.

Fixittt · 02-13-2002, 09:58 PM

TEE HEE...OHH HOOOOO OHHHH MYYYYYYY...HAHAHAHAHAHA HEEEEEEEHEEEEEEEEE HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH OHHH HOOOO..... Stop, my sides are hurting. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH HOOOOO HOOOOOOO HEEEEEEE HEEEEE HAAAAAAA HAAAAAA...........

Look MAAAA...... Worthless Block! But I made it for a celeron 300........

jaydee · 02-13-2002, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fixittt
TEE HEE...OHH HOOOOO OHHHH MYYYYYYY...HAHAHAHAHAHA HEEEEEEEHEEEEEEEEE HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH OHHH HOOOO..... Stop, my sides are hurting. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH HOOOOO HOOOOOOO HEEEEEEE HEEEEE HAAAAAAA HAAAAAA...........

Look MAAAA...... Worthless Block! But I made it for a celeron 300........

HEHEHE, yeah, it hasn;t scaled very well for sure. I think it did pretty good for Durons back in the day.

Through me some feed back on www.custom-cooling.com so far. Anything you would change/edit so far?

Fixittt · 02-13-2002, 10:15 PM

Im gonna do a little more in depth wirte up on the water block production, from a major manufature point of view, and then from mine as a small guy. Showing some of the advantages and disadvantages of both. And the cost difference of each. I have to say, U are getting it together nicley.

Ill get U some write ups pretty soon. But U better check my spelling and gramar. LOL No really.... U better, I suck at typing, if U hadnt already noticed.

jaydee · 02-13-2002, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fixittt
Im gonna do a little more in depth wirte up on the water block production, from a major manufature point of view, and then from mine as a small guy. Showing some of the advantages and disadvantages of both. And the cost difference of each. I have to say, U are getting it together nicley.

Ill get U some write ups pretty soon. But U better check my spelling and gramar. LOL No really.... U better, I suck at typing, if U hadnt already noticed.

Cool, Send them to me and I will run through it and turn it into HTML and post it. My HTML editor has spell check luckily.

jaydee · 02-13-2002, 11:14 PM

Man it is hard to get a decent pic down the barb hole!!

Here are a few pics.

Fixittt · 02-13-2002, 11:15 PM

Sent U part one

Fixittt · 02-13-2002, 11:16 PM

Quote:

TEE HEE...OHH HOOOOO OHHHH MYYYYYYY...HAHAHAHAHAHA HEEEEEEEHEEEEEEEEE HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH OHHH HOOOO..... Stop, my sides are hurting. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH HOOOOO HOOOOOOO HEEEEEEE HEEEEE HAAAAAAA HAAAAAA...........

To the pics

jaydee · 02-13-2002, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fixittt
Sent U part one

Just posted it. You did pretty good on the spelling!!!

Fixittt · 02-13-2002, 11:32 PM

Office 2000 spell checker BAY_BEEEEEEEEE!

U know I bet with some good modifications, the z4 could be a good block. I has some beautiful machine work. To bad they were careless in the end.

Fixittt · 02-13-2002, 11:34 PM

also in the write up, I did not exagerate the prices at all, if anything I cut some corners. Its pretty accurate, so, do me a favor, and get me a total on the price, I never did add them up.

jaydee · 02-13-2002, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fixittt
also in the write up, I did not exagerate the prices at all, if anything I cut some corners. Its pretty accurate, so, do me a favor, and get me a total on the price, I never did add them up.

Yeah I will. I need to proof read it again anyway. I spotted a few minor errors. Looks good though.

Brad · 02-14-2002, 02:33 AM

TEE HEE...OHH HOOOOO OHHHH MYYYYYYY...HAHAHAHAHAHA HEEEEEEEHEEEEEEEEE HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH OHHH HOOOO..... Stop, my sides are hurting. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH HOOOOO HOOOOOOO HEEEEEEE HEEEEE HAAAAAAA HAAAAAA...........

exactly what I feel like right now, the bit about the channels overlapping is unbelievable, I'm still shocked/amazed

decodeddiesel · 02-14-2002, 11:12 AM

I really hope OCH and CPUfx are forced out of buisness by "back yard opperations" like DDen and DTEK. Thats just sad. Just goes to show how over the top marketing will get people to buy anything. And to think of the review ipkonfig gave it. It just makes me sick to my stomach.

jaydee · 02-14-2002, 01:15 PM

What I don't understand is why this outfit dosn't make a new block??? Why stick with this old one? Why nor improve upon it?They appear to have the milling knowlage to do good things but they seem to want to milk this one block out for all it's worth and then some. I will hook it up later today and see what it can do, but I am not expecting good results.

iceheart · 02-14-2002, 01:53 PM

I think Fixittt said it best

Brad · 02-14-2002, 05:15 PM

the thing is, the Z4 is only 6 months old, it is their new super competitive block (supposedly) they won't be introducing something new for a while

jaydee · 02-14-2002, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
the thing is, the Z4 is only 6 months old, it is their new super competitive block (supposedly) they won't be introducing something new for a while

I thought this was a year or so old. They need to rethink this especially with the 1/2" barbs.

Brad · 02-14-2002, 05:52 PM

hehe nope, it is their latest and greatest, and they still love it

jaydee · 02-14-2002, 10:20 PM

Well I can almost garantee i will have it hooked up tomorrow although I am not looking forward to it. I have to remove the freeking mobo because the stupid a$$'s made some kind of retarded hold down mounting deal The holes do not line up and they made some goofy plastic adapters. Will post pics on all that BS tomorrow aswell.

jaydee · 02-14-2002, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fixittt
also in the write up, I did not exagerate the prices at all, if anything I cut some corners. Its pretty accurate, so, do me a favor, and get me a total on the price, I never did add them up.

I missed this post!! After I get through testin it I am thinking about making a new bottom to fully utilize the 1/2" barbs. If it work out I wll shoot them an e-mail and see if they tell me to piss off or not. They really don't need to be ripping people off with these.

If I do come up with something better I will ship it back to you schoolie with the mods.

schoolie · 02-15-2002, 01:03 AM

Thanks JayDee! I don't know if it's worth the effort, unless CPUfx will pay you for your work.
I still don't understand the purpose of their mounting scheme. Maybe it reduces the torque each spring exerts on the block about the core, reducing the effects of uneven tension...Then again, maybe it's just a bad idea.

02-13-2002, 04:19 PM	#1
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Got the Z4 today... schoolie sent me a Z4 to test. So far I am not even sure it is worth mounting but I will later. This block is pathetic in alsmost every way. The only thing I give them a thumbs up on is the actuall milling. It is done well inside and out. BUT that dosn't mean it will work. The first flaw I noticed is it has the 1/2" barbs on this one. These barbs cover a channel and a half!!! You can look down the hole and see one full channel and 1/2" of the one next to it. That just cannot be good. And the channels are tiny which I expected, but I thought they where deep to make up for the lack of width but they are not deep either. 1/2" barbs will be totally worthless in any respect. Why they would sell them with 1/2" barbs even on a custom order is just rediculous. 1/4" barbs is what they need to stick with ONLY as any wider and is exposes the other channels beside it. I can't think that is good for flow. The bottom is epoxieed on with 4 screws for support which is ok. The barbs are also epoxed on and are definatly leakless. I am putting together a 1/2" system and will test this thing later this week. So far it looks like the "Chrome Orb" of the water cooling world. Once I test it I will tear it apart and take some better pics.

02-13-2002, 05:23 PM	#4
schoolie Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 120	What he said:D Yeah, man. You pretty much covered it: 1. Mounting is a pain in the butt 2. Water channel is tiny. The photos are so misleading on the web site. 3. 1/2" fittings will spray into adjacent channel 4. No mass to it. It prolly weighs about 100g. My system wouldn't even post when I first installed it. I had to reduce my multiplier and bring the Vcore down. In summary, basuras, but it would be ok, if your CPU is pushing less than 75W.

02-13-2002, 09:58 PM	#5
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	TEE HEE...OHH HOOOOO OHHHH MYYYYYYY...HAHAHAHAHAHA HEEEEEEEHEEEEEEEEE HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH OHHH HOOOO..... Stop, my sides are hurting. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH HOOOOO HOOOOOOO HEEEEEEE HEEEEE HAAAAAAA HAAAAAA........... Look MAAAA...... Worthless Block! But I made it for a celeron 300........ __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

02-13-2002, 10:15 PM	#7
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Im gonna do a little more in depth wirte up on the water block production, from a major manufature point of view, and then from mine as a small guy. Showing some of the advantages and disadvantages of both. And the cost difference of each. I have to say, U are getting it together nicley. Ill get U some write ups pretty soon. But U better check my spelling and gramar. LOL No really.... U better, I suck at typing, if U hadnt already noticed. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

02-13-2002, 11:15 PM	#10
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Sent U part one __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

02-13-2002, 04:21 PM	#2
Pyrotechnic Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 240	ummm, they didn't even use real copper, just some garbage alloy.

02-13-2002, 11:14 PM	#9
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Man it is hard to get a decent pic down the barb hole!! Here are a few pics.

02-13-2002, 11:32 PM	#13
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Office 2000 spell checker BAY_BEEEEEEEEE! U know I bet with some good modifications, the z4 could be a good block. I has some beautiful machine work. To bad they were careless in the end. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

02-13-2002, 11:34 PM	#14
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	also in the write up, I did not exagerate the prices at all, if anything I cut some corners. Its pretty accurate, so, do me a favor, and get me a total on the price, I never did add them up. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

02-14-2002, 02:33 AM	#16
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	TEE HEE...OHH HOOOOO OHHHH MYYYYYYY...HAHAHAHAHAHA HEEEEEEEHEEEEEEEEE HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH OHHH HOOOO..... Stop, my sides are hurting. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH HOOOOO HOOOOOOO HEEEEEEE HEEEEE HAAAAAAA HAAAAAA........... exactly what I feel like right now, the bit about the channels overlapping is unbelievable, I'm still shocked/amazed __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

02-14-2002, 11:12 AM	#17
decodeddiesel Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: classified Posts: 534	I really hope OCH and CPUfx are forced out of buisness by "back yard opperations" like DDen and DTEK. Thats just sad. Just goes to show how over the top marketing will get people to buy anything. And to think of the review ipkonfig gave it. It just makes me sick to my stomach. __________________ ...i hurt... do me a favor, disconect me... they can re-work me but i'll never be top of the line again ...i'd rather be nothing...

02-14-2002, 01:15 PM	#18
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	What I don't understand is why this outfit dosn't make a new block??? Why stick with this old one? Why nor improve upon it?They appear to have the milling knowlage to do good things but they seem to want to milk this one block out for all it's worth and then some. I will hook it up later today and see what it can do, but I am not expecting good results.

02-14-2002, 01:53 PM	#19
iceheart Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Yonder Posts: 318	I think Fixittt said it best __________________ "If the majority is smarter than you, does that make everyone else a geek, or does it make you retarded?" - pHaestus

02-14-2002, 05:15 PM	#20
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	the thing is, the Z4 is only 6 months old, it is their new super competitive block (supposedly) they won't be introducing something new for a while __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

02-14-2002, 05:52 PM	#22
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	hehe nope, it is their latest and greatest, and they still love it __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

02-14-2002, 10:20 PM	#23
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Well I can almost garantee i will have it hooked up tomorrow although I am not looking forward to it. I have to remove the freeking mobo because the stupid a$$'s made some kind of retarded hold down mounting deal The holes do not line up and they made some goofy plastic adapters. Will post pics on all that BS tomorrow aswell. Last edited by jaydee116; 02-16-2002 at 07:29 PM.

02-15-2002, 01:03 AM	#25
schoolie Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 120	Thanks JayDee! I don't know if it's worth the effort, unless CPUfx will pay you for your work. I still don't understand the purpose of their mounting scheme. Maybe it reduces the torque each spring exerts on the block about the core, reducing the effects of uneven tension...Then again, maybe it's just a bad idea.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)