My Water cooled pc

Phuzun · 04-05-2003, 03:26 PM

I've been reading posts here for sometime.

I've got the pc stated in the sig.

Anyways, my Maze3-1 is working great. At stock speed the cpu does go over 87f idle and 93f load is about the range. 77f ambient avg Idle.

I run tap water and a little water wetter. I've changed the water once within the past 9months. And I've noticed that water wetter lives residue inside the pump and tubing. Is this normal? I'll probable buy new tubing within the next 3 months.

Anyways Looking for more info on this stuff. Suggestions to lower the temps, if possible.

Looking towards the future to add video and chipset blocks. Maybe peltier.

Anyone know where I can post a few pics for linking into. I'd be happy to show you my pc.

bigben2k · 04-05-2003, 03:47 PM

Welcome to ProCooling!

You just had the same experience that BillA (Unregistered)encountered. I believe he referred to it as a thin slimy deposit all over the insides.

He wasn't able to identify it.

So to answer your question, yes it's normal, but certainly not desired.

Phuzun · 04-05-2003, 03:59 PM

Would Isopropyl alcohol fix this? would it erode my tubing at an accelerated pace? I've got a bottle of 91%. Will it help cooling much and or clean out this pink crap? I'd prolly rebuild my cooling.

Nexttime I redo the tubes I'm going to go without water wetter.

Anyone know of other coolants doing this over the long term.

koslov · 04-05-2003, 05:12 PM

Instead of ditching the wetter, why not stop using the tap water? Tap water is full of bacteria, calcium, and other minerals. I used tap water once for several months and it nearly clogged my block with all the calcium deposits.

Use distilled, or deionized, water instead.

Monster811 · 04-05-2003, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phuzun
Would Isopropyl alcohol fix this? would it erode my tubing at an accelerated pace? I've got a bottle of 91%. Will it help cooling much and or clean out this pink crap? I'd prolly rebuild my cooling.

Nexttime I redo the tubes I'm going to go without water wetter.

Anyone know of other coolants doing this over the long term.

Water Wetter does not leave a residue, its the tap water. Use distilled water. Use isopropyl alcohol to remove the slime, then replace it with distilled water.

Skulemate · 04-05-2003, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by Monster811
Water Wetter does not leave a residue, its the tap water.

Like hell it doesn't. I've developed quite a slime buildup from Water Wetter in my own system, to the point where I stopped using it. It couldn't have been the water since I only use distilled.

theetruscan · 04-06-2003, 12:47 AM

The Water Wetter comes out of solution over time, is how BillA put it, I think (don't kill me, if I'm wrong I'll fix it).

Skulemate · 04-06-2003, 12:52 AM

I believe that's how the Watter Wetter is anti-corrosive... it coats all of the metals in the system with its slime, preventing them from being in direct contact with the coolant.

Phuzun · 04-06-2003, 01:50 AM

hmm, well how will I clean out this stuff from the radiator, block, and pump later? Isopropyl, or something else? Will the copper need something special. I will get new tubing soon enough. I wanna really change the whole layout on the inerds.

Also, If i were to put a 226w peltier on the cpu, and run video and chipset blocks, will it even be possible with a black ice extreme.

Maybe if I add a second 120mm fan on the other side of the radiator? I liked the idea of an ice probe in a res. But that is way expensive.

Fixittt · 04-06-2003, 03:50 AM

what was the mixture ratio of water to WW?

I use watter wetter and have for years, and I havent had sucha build up, my hoses are tanted pink, but just slightly.

Maybe your not following directions.

MadDogMe · 04-06-2003, 05:02 AM

That's what I wonder in all these horror stories. IIRC Billa said he'd 'topped up' his rig many times. There's maybe a certain maximum amount water can carry before it comes out of solution?...
Or maybe it does need the heat of an engine to hold it in solution over long periods of time?...

Phuzun · 04-06-2003, 05:46 AM

not sure on ratio. Didnt really bother with it. I'm going to clean it all out with the next remake of the tubing. I havent had any problems with the plastic clamps. But I'm thinking that I will go with some other kinda next time.

BTW how do you attach a chipset/video block if the holes dont match up, or in my case and ati 8500 which has no holes for mounting at all. Do I use artic alumina and make it permant in hopes that i dont need to take it off or what? I dont really think i'll have to remove it later but you only need to freeze it for a while and be careful correct?

UnloadeD · 04-06-2003, 07:05 AM

I've had troubles with WW and distilled water too. Rusty/pinkish residue covering everything in my loop. I used about a capful of WW to 1-1.5qt of water. There were no temp improvements that I could detect. I used a solution for cleaning my humidifier to get it out. Circulating a mixture of cleaner and water thru my loop for about 1/2hr does the trick. Also I rinse by circulating clean water thru it all a few times before reassembly. I've come to the conclusion that there is no reason for me to use WW if there is no aluminum in my loop. To control growth in my loop I add a bit of bactrostat that once again is made for my humidifier. If you are interested in these, check any place that sell humidifiers, I use Holmes brand products. The cleaner is acidic so be sure and flush it out of your system.

edit:
Here's a link toBatrostat and Cleaner.

peace.
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04-05-2003, 03:26 PM	#1
Phuzun Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Fargo, ND USA Posts: 47	My Water cooled pc I've been reading posts here for sometime. I've got the pc stated in the sig. Anyways, my Maze3-1 is working great. At stock speed the cpu does go over 87f idle and 93f load is about the range. 77f ambient avg Idle. I run tap water and a little water wetter. I've changed the water once within the past 9months. And I've noticed that water wetter lives residue inside the pump and tubing. Is this normal? I'll probable buy new tubing within the next 3 months. Anyways Looking for more info on this stuff. Suggestions to lower the temps, if possible. Looking towards the future to add video and chipset blocks. Maybe peltier. Anyone know where I can post a few pics for linking into. I'd be happy to show you my pc. __________________ 1.2ghz Tbird KT7a-Raid w/ Crystal Orb 384MB 133mhz 40x2 Maxtor HD in Raid 0 27gb IBM ata100 Ati 8500 / crystal orb, homemade ramsinks Sblive Platinum Maze 3-1 Black Ice Radiator NIC card 7 volts runnin to all fans /cept the orbs Last edited by Phuzun; 04-05-2003 at 03:31 PM.

04-05-2003, 03:47 PM	#2
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Welcome to ProCooling! You just had the same experience that BillA (Unregistered)encountered. I believe he referred to it as a thin slimy deposit all over the insides. He wasn't able to identify it. So to answer your question, yes it's normal, but certainly not desired. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

04-05-2003, 03:59 PM	#3
Phuzun Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Fargo, ND USA Posts: 47	Would Isopropyl alcohol fix this? would it erode my tubing at an accelerated pace? I've got a bottle of 91%. Will it help cooling much and or clean out this pink crap? I'd prolly rebuild my cooling. Nexttime I redo the tubes I'm going to go without water wetter. Anyone know of other coolants doing this over the long term. __________________ 1.2ghz Tbird KT7a-Raid w/ Crystal Orb 384MB 133mhz 40x2 Maxtor HD in Raid 0 27gb IBM ata100 Ati 8500 / crystal orb, homemade ramsinks Sblive Platinum Maze 3-1 Black Ice Radiator NIC card 7 volts runnin to all fans /cept the orbs

04-06-2003, 12:52 AM	#8
Skulemate Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 381	I believe that's how the Watter Wetter is anti-corrosive... it coats all of the metals in the system with its slime, preventing them from being in direct contact with the coolant. __________________ Michael E. Robbins M.A.Sc. Candidate, University of Toronto 12.1 GHz of AMD's finest (17.7 GHz total) crunching proudly for the AMDMB.com Killer Frogs SETI BOINC: Dual Opteron 246s (Iwill DK8N) \| XP2800+ (Shuttle SN41G2) \| 3x XP2400+ (ASUS A7N266-vm) SETI BOINC: 2x P4 2.8E (ASUS P4R800-vm) \| Crunching 24/7

04-06-2003, 01:50 AM	#9
Phuzun Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Fargo, ND USA Posts: 47	hmm, well how will I clean out this stuff from the radiator, block, and pump later? Isopropyl, or something else? Will the copper need something special. I will get new tubing soon enough. I wanna really change the whole layout on the inerds. Also, If i were to put a 226w peltier on the cpu, and run video and chipset blocks, will it even be possible with a black ice extreme. Maybe if I add a second 120mm fan on the other side of the radiator? I liked the idea of an ice probe in a res. But that is way expensive. __________________ 1.2ghz Tbird KT7a-Raid w/ Crystal Orb 384MB 133mhz 40x2 Maxtor HD in Raid 0 27gb IBM ata100 Ati 8500 / crystal orb, homemade ramsinks Sblive Platinum Maze 3-1 Black Ice Radiator NIC card 7 volts runnin to all fans /cept the orbs

04-05-2003, 05:12 PM	#4
koslov Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Posts: 264	Instead of ditching the wetter, why not stop using the tap water? Tap water is full of bacteria, calcium, and other minerals. I used tap water once for several months and it nearly clogged my block with all the calcium deposits. Use distilled, or deionized, water instead.

04-06-2003, 12:47 AM	#7
theetruscan Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: OR/CA/NY Posts: 81	The Water Wetter comes out of solution over time, is how BillA put it, I think (don't kill me, if I'm wrong I'll fix it).

04-06-2003, 03:50 AM	#10
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	what was the mixture ratio of water to WW? I use watter wetter and have for years, and I havent had sucha build up, my hoses are tanted pink, but just slightly. Maybe your not following directions. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

04-06-2003, 05:02 AM	#11
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	That's what I wonder in all these horror stories. IIRC Billa said he'd 'topped up' his rig many times. There's maybe a certain maximum amount water can carry before it comes out of solution?... Or maybe it does need the heat of an engine to hold it in solution over long periods of time?...

04-06-2003, 05:46 AM	#12
Phuzun Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Fargo, ND USA Posts: 47	not sure on ratio. Didnt really bother with it. I'm going to clean it all out with the next remake of the tubing. I havent had any problems with the plastic clamps. But I'm thinking that I will go with some other kinda next time. BTW how do you attach a chipset/video block if the holes dont match up, or in my case and ati 8500 which has no holes for mounting at all. Do I use artic alumina and make it permant in hopes that i dont need to take it off or what? I dont really think i'll have to remove it later but you only need to freeze it for a while and be careful correct? __________________ 1.2ghz Tbird KT7a-Raid w/ Crystal Orb 384MB 133mhz 40x2 Maxtor HD in Raid 0 27gb IBM ata100 Ati 8500 / crystal orb, homemade ramsinks Sblive Platinum Maze 3-1 Black Ice Radiator NIC card 7 volts runnin to all fans /cept the orbs

04-06-2003, 07:05 AM	#13
UnloadeD Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MidWest USA Posts: 176	I've had troubles with WW and distilled water too. Rusty/pinkish residue covering everything in my loop. I used about a capful of WW to 1-1.5qt of water. There were no temp improvements that I could detect. I used a solution for cleaning my humidifier to get it out. Circulating a mixture of cleaner and water thru my loop for about 1/2hr does the trick. Also I rinse by circulating clean water thru it all a few times before reassembly. I've come to the conclusion that there is no reason for me to use WW if there is no aluminum in my loop. To control growth in my loop I add a bit of bactrostat that once again is made for my humidifier. If you are interested in these, check any place that sell humidifiers, I use Holmes brand products. The cleaner is acidic so be sure and flush it out of your system. edit: Here's a link toBatrostat and Cleaner. peace. unloaded Last edited by UnloadeD; 04-06-2003 at 07:19 AM.

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