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11-29-2005, 09:14 AM | #376 | |
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Re: Apogee from Swiftech...
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11-29-2005, 09:19 AM | #377 |
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Re: Apogee from Swiftech...
much worse than BS, more like productcide
they had a "best product' for a kit no less (group buys on hOCP !), now they have an argument an idiotic segue |
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11-29-2005, 09:47 AM | #379 |
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Re: Apogee from Swiftech...
edited for less speculation.
I would be EXTREMELY surprised to the the Apogee perform better than the Storm on my Socket A testbed. Comment was based upon my own testing results on that system
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11-29-2005, 09:53 AM | #380 |
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Re: Apogee from Swiftech...
Ooooh here's a good Apogee and Storm perform similarly post
Probably an MCW6000 and the Storm would also perform pretty similarly in such a system, eh?
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11-29-2005, 11:10 AM | #381 | |
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Re: Apogee from Swiftech...
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The scracthes on pins shows the block is not milled but sawed:
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11-29-2005, 11:17 AM | #382 |
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Re: Apogee from Swiftech...
See... that is what I thought when I cracked mine open too. The edges are sawed anyway.
Perhaps the middle grid array is milled, but I doubt it. Would be cheaper and faster to saw it. |
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11-29-2005, 06:28 PM | #384 | |
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11-29-2005, 07:37 PM | #385 | |
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Re: Apogee from Swiftech...
Looks milled to me anyway. Also maybe Swiftech is lying.
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11-30-2005, 01:02 AM | #386 |
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Re: Apogee from Swiftech...
'cnc machined' doesnt have to be milled (end milled, at least). CNC is computer numeric control, a laser is a CNC device...
It would be extremely foolhardy to injection mould a top, and then use standard mill bits to make the bottom - removes any savings in the top, by adding more machining time to the bottom (and greater replacement of bits, more chance of breakage and machine down time...)
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11-30-2005, 01:11 AM | #387 |
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Re: Apogee from Swiftech...
It is CNC machined, bu that doesn't mean it is milled. It is CNC sawed with special tools.
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11-30-2005, 01:53 AM | #388 |
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Re: Apogee from Swiftech...
If it isn't an endmill then not sure what it is. I have not seen a saw of any kind leave a tailing like that only endmills running at the wrong feed rate/RPM ratio. Saws usually leave a clean cut. They are usually not that precise either.
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11-30-2005, 02:48 AM | #389 |
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Re: Apogee from Swiftech...
It's milled with a saws train (don't know the exact english term), several saw wheels spaced on a single axis. One saw :
A lot faster than end milling... Could have some little defects on edges due to the milling way and copper thickness/weakness, not disturbing. |
11-30-2005, 02:57 AM | #390 |
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In carpentry we call it a stacked dado blade, not sure about metalworking though, never heard of a metal cutting dado.
Not sure how you could use any kind of dado blade to cut groves that small....the blades would have to be too thin and hence fragile. For whatever reason you wouldnt catch me anywhere near a machine trying to run something like that through metal, its bad enough sometimes in wood. Last edited by Angry_Steel; 11-30-2005 at 03:03 AM. |
11-30-2005, 03:12 AM | #391 |
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Re: Apogee from Swiftech...
It's not difficult, you could mill with circular saws at a thickness=0.3mm in copper but life tool is not great (very small cut edges). 1mm is quite big here.
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Possibly ,even,an understatement. An illustration using simple ,possibly inappropriate,Waterloo approach Only exploratory thoughts using simple h(eff) profiles. Suspect that real profiles are more complex. Particularly,for comprehension of Apogee data,that of the single inlet onto pin array However, Quote:
Know SFA about CPUs however it is possible that it is the control of these local high flux densities that concerns the processor developers. Maybe they do not care a monkey's 8888 about the performance of a Heatsink on a 10+ sq mm Heat Die. May still be all about TIM. Would classify an IHS as a TIM with HeatSpreading properties Incoherent Good to see some progress on flux and temperature modelling for the Flux-die. Am mid-stream between rads and wbs and having focusing problems. I have not yet formulated anything worth posting in the Flux-die thread. Anyone have the real dimensions of the Swiftech MCW6000? Edit1: Have graphs for intermediate dies an other wb models: may post as attachment later. Edit2: Added attachment: Resistance vs Die-area graph Last edited by Les; 01-11-2006 at 02:38 AM. |
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11-30-2005, 10:03 AM | #393 |
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Slotting saws on an arbor.
Heres a pic of a .02" slotting saw I have on an arbor cutting .125" deep in aluminum: It is very easy to rip through aluminum, I have not tried copper yet. Jon |
11-30-2005, 10:07 AM | #394 |
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Re: Apogee from Swiftech...
... what I wouldn't give for a nice machining center.
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11-30-2005, 10:21 AM | #395 |
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Re: Apogee from Swiftech...
bigass sled, don't wanna mess with those raindeer
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11-30-2005, 04:48 PM | #396 |
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Re: Apogee from Swiftech...
wow a lot of talk and no action..........looking forward to seeing ph's results
so is every customer going to have to crack their block open to clean it up....... |
11-30-2005, 05:43 PM | #397 |
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Re: Apogee from Swiftech...
maybe the blocks ship with a sand blasting setup
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11-30-2005, 06:43 PM | #398 | |
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11-30-2005, 07:56 PM | #399 | |
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Bruce at cooltechnica cuts .5mm slits in his bases and dosn't have any issues with shavings that I noticed. Probably just trying to cut to fast. |
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12-01-2005, 03:25 AM | #400 |
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Re: Apogee from Swiftech...
The first I shown is a 3 cutting edges saw, generally too thick for milling such tiny channels. This one below is better with smaller cutting edges (like JFettig's pic) :
Thickness can be 0.15mm -> 0.15mm channels wide possible (need extreme care and slow advance ) . It's not a problem to use 0.5mm saw when channels are not too tall, which is the case in the MP05. A polish friend made 0.3mm channels on 8mm height (!!) using saws, it's really the limit because copper is too soft and bend very easily under milling constraints (EDM is better here) : |
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