Thi Ideal IHS

Dunno · 06-03-2005, 09:19 PM

Would love to see a lapping how to on these

You buid the WB out of This. Would have to be Cast/Pressed unless your a diamond cutter.

With This this as its heat spreader! Or you could just blast water at that image that comes up on the left.

Then you can go to the folks to bum food for a year!

Ram coolers?? Link

MadHacker · 06-03-2005, 09:46 PM

using the HeaThru Products solution you wouldn't have to nessaraly make the block out of it but you could make a block around it.

mad mikee · 06-09-2005, 12:35 PM

/me wonders @ cost

MadHacker · 06-09-2005, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mad mikee

/me wonders @ cost

all we would need is a waffer 1 or 2 mm thick and 30 mm diameter for the base
the rest could be made out of brass...
don't think it would be that expensive...

mad mikee · 06-09-2005, 12:53 PM

along w/ some other info for here and xtremesystems.org

Let you all know what I get back if anything

Moto7451 · 06-11-2005, 12:46 AM

To my knowledge, artificial diamonds aren't too costly. The real deal gem quality ones are the ones which cost you an arm & a leg because of the effective diamond monopoly* set up by the Debeers Company. Diamonds are not very rare, there are more diamonds than there are other precious stones. The Debeers Company however limits the amount of diamonds sold each year much like OPEC does with Oil. This is why your wife's/mom's diamond ring cost a fortune but the diamond encrusted hack saw blade, which has more diamonds than most rings, cost a few bucks. Its all about the look, the quality, the cut, & most importantly how your diamond was made (i.e. dug up from the ground through natural process or made in a lab)

*Its not a complete monopoly as you can get diamonds from other sources such as from Arkansas & other parts of the world but they almost control the entire commercial diamond market.

MadHacker · 06-13-2005, 12:38 PM

Well I emailed one of the companies "Diamond Materials GmbH" and got this for a reply

Quote:

thank you for your interest in our CVD diamond products.
Unfortunately the cooling of computer chips is not an application we are pursuing.
This is because this application is very price sensitive - on the one hand side - and on the other hand side one would require heatspreaders of significant size.
The price for this heatspreader would exceed the price of the entire computer.
I hope that this is convincing.

so i guess that puts that idea out the window..

Dunno · 07-07-2005, 06:34 PM

My Reply to Eckhard Wörner of Diamond Materials

Eckhart

Do you consider yourself to be Broad Minded??
Once you have answered that for yourself, ask yourself:
How would a narrow minded person have answered himself?? :-)

CPU Cooling is becoming a science even in the enthusiast sector!
Do you know how much overclockers are spending on Hardware and cooling??

Eye openers:

http://www.vapochill.com/Webshopfold...op/default.asp

Click the link to: Vapochill
Click the link to: - Extreme Edt. (XE)

Thats just for an empty case!
Ask someone for a quote on a top of the range gaming copmuter.

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=4327

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&page=14&pp=25

That is Pure Silver.

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...6&page=1&pp=25

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...6&page=1&pp=25

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...6&page=1&pp=25

The design is well suited to a small Diamond disk in its base.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=917444

This design has now been comercialised and, thanks to the Internet, will make millions. None of which will end up in your bank account.
Cathar has probably emailed you? Did you wipe your arse on him too???? :-)

The question is now: Are you broad minded enough to say to yourself; "I have been an ASSHOLE!" :-)

Regards

Neville Cawood

On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:06:42 +0200
Eckhard Wörner <Eckhard.Woerner@iaf.fhg.de> wrote:
>Dear Sir,
>
>thank you for your inquiry and for your interest in our
>CVD diamond disks.
>We can provide CVD-diamond windows in the dimensions you
>need.
>
>For a formal quotation we should know the quantity and the
>exact dimensions (tolerances)
>you need. Also the quality of the material is of
>importance.
>In order to advice you concerning thickness reqiurements,
>material quality and so on, it
>would help if you could tell us something about your
>application.
>Furthermore we should know your name and affiliation.
>
>Best regards
>Eckhard Woerner
>
>________________________________________
>
> Dr. Eckhard Woerner
> Diamond Materials GmbH
> Tullastrasse 72
> D-79108 Freiburg
> Germany
> Tel.: +49 761 5159 358
> Fax: +49 761 6006553
> e-mail: woerner@diamond-materials.de
> www.diamond-materials.de
>_______________________________________
>
>ncawood@webmail.co.za schrieb:
>
>> I would like to know what a diamond disk 30mm in
>diameter and 0.5 mm thick would cost?
>>
>> THX
>

MadHacker · 07-07-2005, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunno

My Reply to Eckhard Wörner of Diamond Materials

Eckhart

Do you consider yourself to be Broad Minded??
Once you have answered that for yourself, ask yourself:
How would a narrow minded person have answered himself?? :-)

CPU Cooling is becoming a science even in the enthusiast sector!
Do you know how much overclockers are spending on Hardware and cooling??

Eye openers:

http://www.vapochill.com/Webshopfold...op/default.asp

Click the link to: Vapochill
Click the link to: - Extreme Edt. (XE)

Thats just for an empty case!
Ask someone for a quote on a top of the range gaming copmuter.

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=4327

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&page=14&pp=25

That is Pure Silver.

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...6&page=1&pp=25

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...6&page=1&pp=25

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...6&page=1&pp=25

The design is well suited to a small Diamond disk in its base.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=917444

This design has now been comercialised and, thanks to the Internet, will make millions. None of which will end up in your bank account.
Cathar has probably emailed you? Did you wipe your arse on him too???? :-)

The question is now: Are you broad minded enough to say to yourself; "I have been an ASSHOLE!" :-)

Regards

Neville Cawood

On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:06:42 +0200
Eckhard Wörner <Eckhard.Woerner@iaf.fhg.de> wrote:
>Dear Sir,
>
>thank you for your inquiry and for your interest in our
>CVD diamond disks.
>We can provide CVD-diamond windows in the dimensions you
>need.
>
>For a formal quotation we should know the quantity and the
>exact dimensions (tolerances)
>you need. Also the quality of the material is of
>importance.
>In order to advice you concerning thickness reqiurements,
>material quality and so on, it
>would help if you could tell us something about your
>application.
>Furthermore we should know your name and affiliation.
>
>Best regards
>Eckhard Woerner
>
>________________________________________
>
> Dr. Eckhard Woerner
> Diamond Materials GmbH
> Tullastrasse 72
> D-79108 Freiburg
> Germany
> Tel.: +49 761 5159 358
> Fax: +49 761 6006553
> e-mail: woerner@diamond-materials.de
> www.diamond-materials.de
>_______________________________________
>
>ncawood@webmail.co.za schrieb:
>
>> I would like to know what a diamond disk 30mm in
>diameter and 0.5 mm thick would cost?
>>
>> THX
>

I don't understand your hostility to the company or to Woerner...
there apears to be nothing that shows any disrespect to you...
could you explain?

FooTemps · 07-08-2005, 02:29 AM

It seems as though the response from the company didn't have any hostility in it at all... They could have just been looking for answers that weren't in your first email.

But what really interests me is the flatness of the diamond disks from the supplier. It claims to be "very flat and very smooth" but I'm not sure if they just cut and polished it or maybe cut and lapped it or stone ground it. Another interesting point is how much pressure the disk can widthstand. We don't want a diamond composite disk breaking because we screw down our mounts too tightly. If they're too frail then we wouldn't reap any benefit due to the lack of pressure over the cpu die.

I do like the fact that it is fully customizable though.

This means we can do a jet impigment disk 2mm x 30mm with metallization along the rim. (The metallization should allow for a good bond with the base right?)

Dunno · 07-08-2005, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FooTemps

It seems as though the response from the company didn't have any hostility in it at all... They could have just been looking for answers that weren't in your first email.

But what really interests me is the flatness of the diamond disks from the supplier. It claims to be "very flat and very smooth" but I'm not sure if they just cut and polished it or maybe cut and lapped it or stone ground it. Another interesting point is how much pressure the disk can widthstand. We don't want a diamond composite disk breaking because we screw down our mounts too tightly. If they're too frail then we wouldn't reap any benefit due to the lack of pressure over the cpu die.

I do like the fact that it is fully customizable though.

This means we can do a jet impigment disk 2mm x 30mm with metallization along the rim. (The metallization should allow for a good bond with the base right?)

Oops!

EDITed out my reply, about a month ago:
To which I got NO reply!

Hi Eckhard

I am thinking of using the disk as a heat spreader on a
CPU, with a copper water block: Around 100 Watts from
about 1 square cm.

I do not know what the optimal thickness and diameter
should be for this application, but cost is a big
consideration. :-)

If price/performance is good the market should abzorb at
least 100 disks. Probably thousands!

THX
Neville

On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:06:42 +0200
Eckhard Wörner <Eckhard.Woerner@iaf.fhg.de> wrote:
>Dear Sir,
>
>thank you for your inquiry and for your interest in our
>CVD diamond disks.
>We can provide CVD-diamond windows in the dimensions you
>need.
>
>For a formal quotation we should know the quantity and the
>exact dimensions (tolerances)
>you need. Also the quality of the material is of
>importance.
>In order to advice you concerning thickness reqiurements,
>material quality and so on, it
>would help if you could tell us something about your
>application.
>Furthermore we should know your name and affiliation.
>
>Best regards
>Eckhard Woerner
>
>________________________________________
>
> Dr. Eckhard Woerner
> Diamond Materials GmbH
> Tullastrasse 72
> D-79108 Freiburg
> Germany
> Tel.: +49 761 5159 358
> Fax: +49 761 6006553
> e-mail: woerner@diamond-materials.de
> www.diamond-materials.de
>_______________________________________
>
>ncawood@webmail.co.za schrieb:
>
>> I would like to know what a diamond disk 30mm in
>diameter and 0.5 mm thick would cost?
>>
>> THX
>

Cathars blocks are half a mm thick at the bottem of the holes, so having the jets spraying down onto a diamond disk.....

The surrounding copper provides the strength for the thin base.

FooTemps · 07-13-2005, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunno

Cathars blocks are half a mm thick at the bottem of the holes, so having the jets spraying down onto a diamond disk.....

The surrounding copper provides the strength for the thin base.

lol, forgot the fact that we'd be using this for jet impigment (DUH)

06-03-2005, 09:19 PM	#1
Dunno Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: South Africa Posts: 82	Thi Ideal IHS Would love to see a lapping how to on these You buid the WB out of This. Would have to be Cast/Pressed unless your a diamond cutter. With This this as its heat spreader! Or you could just blast water at that image that comes up on the left. Then you can go to the folks to bum food for a year! Ram coolers?? Link

06-03-2005, 09:46 PM	#2
MadHacker Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Okotoks, A.B. Canada Posts: 726	using the HeaThru Products solution you wouldn't have to nessaraly make the block out of it but you could make a block around it. __________________ "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds" - (Einstein)

06-09-2005, 12:35 PM	#3
mad mikee Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: US of A!!!! Posts: 146	Hmm what about that paste /me wonders @ cost __________________ His PCV2000 DFI ULTRA D (SLI Modded just because) 4200 x2 @ ~ 10 x 260 /1.49 Vcore , G5 + PA160 + 150mm Papst@5V + Maze 4 GPU + mcp350. Temp 36-37(load-2 x D20L) 2x1GB Ballistix PC4000, x800xl 256m, 74G rap + 160G Hitachi SATA , 21" mit/nec 1920x1440 Crt + 19 Neovo F-419 1280x1024 LCD, OCZ Powerstream 600 Hers: (my beloved who lets me do all this) LianLi PCV1000, SD3700 @ 9x300, 1GB GBLA, 250+ 120 SATA, X700pro, 19" Neovo F-419 LCD, another OCZ 600

06-09-2005, 12:53 PM	#5
mad mikee Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: US of A!!!! Posts: 146	I actually asked for a sample of the paste... along w/ some other info for here and xtremesystems.org Let you all know what I get back if anything __________________ His PCV2000 DFI ULTRA D (SLI Modded just because) 4200 x2 @ ~ 10 x 260 /1.49 Vcore , G5 + PA160 + 150mm Papst@5V + Maze 4 GPU + mcp350. Temp 36-37(load-2 x D20L) 2x1GB Ballistix PC4000, x800xl 256m, 74G rap + 160G Hitachi SATA , 21" mit/nec 1920x1440 Crt + 19 Neovo F-419 1280x1024 LCD, OCZ Powerstream 600 Hers: (my beloved who lets me do all this) LianLi PCV1000, SD3700 @ 9x300, 1GB GBLA, 250+ 120 SATA, X700pro, 19" Neovo F-419 LCD, another OCZ 600

06-11-2005, 12:46 AM	#6
Moto7451 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: LA, CA Posts: 53	To my knowledge, artificial diamonds aren't too costly. The real deal gem quality ones are the ones which cost you an arm & a leg because of the effective diamond monopoly* set up by the Debeers Company. Diamonds are not very rare, there are more diamonds than there are other precious stones. The Debeers Company however limits the amount of diamonds sold each year much like OPEC does with Oil. This is why your wife's/mom's diamond ring cost a fortune but the diamond encrusted hack saw blade, which has more diamonds than most rings, cost a few bucks. Its all about the look, the quality, the cut, & most importantly how your diamond was made (i.e. dug up from the ground through natural process or made in a lab) *Its not a complete monopoly as you can get diamonds from other sources such as from Arkansas & other parts of the world but they almost control the entire commercial diamond market. __________________ Athlon 64 3200+ Rev F @ 2.4Ghz (and climbing) @ 1.53v, DFI Infinity UltraII-M2, 512MB Apple Micron D9 DDR2 @ 400MHz (DDR2 800) 5-5-5-12 @ 2v, 128MB Radeon X800 @ 460/900, Dual 120GB HDs in RAID 0 Loop 1: D5 Pump • Bonneville w/ AC Heater Core • Swiftech MCW6002 • Gemini Tsunami VGA block • Gemini Tsunami S478 block (cold side chiller block) 110W 16v TEC @ 60W 12v Loop 2: PC Watercooling Shop 12v Water Pump • PCWCS 80.2 Rad • Gemini Tsunami (hot side chiller block)

07-07-2005, 06:34 PM	#8
Dunno Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: South Africa Posts: 82	My Reply to Eckhard Wörner of Diamond Materials Eckhart Do you consider yourself to be Broad Minded?? Once you have answered that for yourself, ask yourself: How would a narrow minded person have answered himself?? :-) CPU Cooling is becoming a science even in the enthusiast sector! Do you know how much overclockers are spending on Hardware and cooling?? Eye openers: http://www.vapochill.com/Webshopfold...op/default.asp Click the link to: Vapochill Click the link to: - Extreme Edt. (XE) Thats just for an empty case! Ask someone for a quote on a top of the range gaming copmuter. http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=4327 http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&page=14&pp=25 That is Pure Silver. http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...6&page=1&pp=25 http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...6&page=1&pp=25 http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...6&page=1&pp=25 The design is well suited to a small Diamond disk in its base. http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=917444 This design has now been comercialised and, thanks to the Internet, will make millions. None of which will end up in your bank account. Cathar has probably emailed you? Did you wipe your arse on him too???? :-) The question is now: Are you broad minded enough to say to yourself; "I have been an ASSHOLE!" :-) Regards Neville Cawood On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:06:42 +0200 Eckhard Wörner <Eckhard.Woerner@iaf.fhg.de> wrote: >Dear Sir, > >thank you for your inquiry and for your interest in our >CVD diamond disks. >We can provide CVD-diamond windows in the dimensions you >need. > >For a formal quotation we should know the quantity and the >exact dimensions (tolerances) >you need. Also the quality of the material is of >importance. >In order to advice you concerning thickness reqiurements, >material quality and so on, it >would help if you could tell us something about your >application. >Furthermore we should know your name and affiliation. > >Best regards >Eckhard Woerner > >________________________________________ > > Dr. Eckhard Woerner > Diamond Materials GmbH > Tullastrasse 72 > D-79108 Freiburg > Germany > Tel.: +49 761 5159 358 > Fax: +49 761 6006553 > e-mail: woerner@diamond-materials.de > www.diamond-materials.de >_______________________________________ > >ncawood@webmail.co.za schrieb: > >> I would like to know what a diamond disk 30mm in >diameter and 0.5 mm thick would cost? >> >> THX >

07-08-2005, 02:29 AM	#10
FooTemps Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: WA, USA Posts: 49	It seems as though the response from the company didn't have any hostility in it at all... They could have just been looking for answers that weren't in your first email. But what really interests me is the flatness of the diamond disks from the supplier. It claims to be "very flat and very smooth" but I'm not sure if they just cut and polished it or maybe cut and lapped it or stone ground it. Another interesting point is how much pressure the disk can widthstand. We don't want a diamond composite disk breaking because we screw down our mounts too tightly. If they're too frail then we wouldn't reap any benefit due to the lack of pressure over the cpu die. I do like the fact that it is fully customizable though. This means we can do a jet impigment disk 2mm x 30mm with metallization along the rim. (The metallization should allow for a good bond with the base right?)

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