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08-17-2004, 09:16 PM | #51 | ||
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08-17-2004, 09:33 PM | #53 |
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I think its an excellent article. The only problem is that the reader doesn't know the writers reputation. Who can you beleive nowadays. Everything is pretty much based on hands on experience, and see it to beleive it.
Opinions. - maybe further detail on pump head height: For every 90 degree elbow add a foot, for every WB add a foot, etc. etc. Something like that. - T-line part about being at top. Now, when someone who doesn't know better reads this part, he/she is gonna think to fill the system with the T-line at the bottom and wonder why it's not filling up properly. Maybe go into explanation that air will travel to the highest point of the system. T-Line doesn't need a cap on it just as long it's at the highest point of the system. yada yada yada. - Another downfall of Mercury. (Besides the obvious POISONOUS part) Has the ability to expand rapidly. Needs excessive open space to allow for expansion. No big deal. Good job overall.
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T-line doesn't need a cap even if it's at the lowest point in the system, better go read that myth again. thanks for the input
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08-17-2004, 09:52 PM | #55 |
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I agree with T-line being at the bottom being fine. Have a 5/8" T on the inlet to my pump at the bottom of the case on one of my systems. Allows for easy filling. Turn the pump on and just keep pouring water in - the pump pushes the water through the loop. The top of the T-hose can happily sit below the top of the water cooling loop.
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08-17-2004, 09:55 PM | #56 | |
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Your defineately seeing things then. There must be slightly different gravitational pull in florida after the hurricane. Water will always, always level out exactly horizontal. Your trying to tell me that your system is completely full and the T-Line tube is open and hanging at the bottom of your system and no water comes out?? Either one of us is not clarifying, or one of us lives underwater. Post pictures.
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08-17-2004, 10:03 PM | #57 |
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Mars - go fill up a bucket full of water
Take a glass - submerse it totally in the bucket. While the glass is underwater turn it upside down and lift the bottom of it out of the water surface. Let me know if the water pours out before the opening of the glass is clear of the water surface. Same principle. |
08-17-2004, 10:05 PM | #58 | |
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08-17-2004, 10:28 PM | #59 |
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haha, the article helps one of our very own!
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08-18-2004, 05:59 AM | #60 | |
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08-18-2004, 06:18 AM | #61 |
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Pumps & EM Fields
I'm not sure if this is fact or fiction but I've heard people say that placing your pump too close to your HDD is liable to cause data corruption. Perhaps clarifying this would be a good addition to your wc myths.
And incidentally hello to everyone .....be nice, I'm new
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08-18-2004, 08:37 AM | #62 | |
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Unsure of the exact figures as I've forgotten them by now, but basically the magnetic effort required to flip a bit on a hard drive platter is really quite high, and the disk drive heads only achieve this by sitting ~1 micron or so above the platter. The amount of magnetic force being applied by the write head at that level is about equal to a rare-earth magnet, which is about 50x stronger than your average "fridge" magnet. At even the 1cm distance from the platter to get to the casing of the hard drive, since magnetic field strength drops proportionally to the distance squared, we're talking about a magnet force needing to be about 100 million times stronger than a the write head to achieve data corruption. Since the pump is typically about 10cm away from the hard-drive, we're now talking a magnetic field necessary to corrupt data to be about 10 billion times stronger than the disk write head. That sort of magnetic field strength is something you'd notice as anything ferro-magnetic that got within about 10 meters of the pump would get sucked to the pump with tremendous force. Last I check, pump's magnetic fields weren't causing me to dodge flying metallic objects in my room - but I could be wrong... |
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08-18-2004, 09:12 AM | #63 |
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damn, I guess that explains why things were flying around the basement, I had BOTH the pumps on!
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08-18-2004, 09:13 AM | #64 |
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I don't know if this counts as a 'myth', but how about a comment regarding which (if any) has the best flow: a t-tube, inline res, or integral-to-pump res.
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08-18-2004, 01:43 PM | #65 | ||
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depends on the t-line, res, and integral to pump res in question I'd imagine Quote:
now, how about that $100, eh guys?
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08-18-2004, 05:21 PM | #66 |
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If i had to 'stab in the dark' i'd say that the res/pump would have the best flow. A non-restricted inlet on the pump would be the big part for a res combo, im sure... feel free to rip me apart if you like.
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08-18-2004, 05:59 PM | #67 | |
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no problem with you posting it, though I'd appreciate a link! I can register at the forum and post it if you'd like
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08-18-2004, 06:53 PM | #68 | |
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Your T-line is also not at the bottom of the case and open. I agree, if your FILLING UP your system with the PUMP ON and your T-Line is on the INLET of the pump, the pump will push the water through, and shouldn't worry about an air lock. I've done this countless times. Let the pump do the work. I'm not gonna sit in front of a computer to argue. And I didn't mean for me to be sarcastic. I like to see it to beleive it. If a person cannot show me that an 'Open T-Line at the bottom of your case will not leak water' than I am gonna do it myself. I have a spare heatercore, pump, waterblock and I am gonna orient them in a box at specific heights as it would be in a computer case. More truth comes out through hands on experience than it would through pages of a notebook. The conclusion, if need be, will have jpegs. Heck, what I'll even do is mount the radiator in my car upside down and see if I can still fill it that way. Ha!
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08-18-2004, 07:03 PM | #69 |
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Open - meaning unplugged? Sure it works. How do you think the water got put in there in the first place?
It doesn't pour out. Because the rest of the loop is air-tight, there is no way for air to get in and displace the water already in the loop. Since there is no air displacing the water, the water stays where it is - inside the loop. |
08-18-2004, 07:08 PM | #70 | |
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here's a pic for you, no cap, pump not running.
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08-18-2004, 07:21 PM | #71 | ||
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Holy shit I just realized that there are THREE D4's in there... What's your flow like? And where's you rmotherboard?
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08-18-2004, 07:28 PM | #72 | |
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The top of the water line in the T-Line tube needs to be upright or air will be allowed to pass by and break the seal. If greenman took the t-line tube in his pic and pulled it down farther the water would not make a solid connection around the entire tube and air would be allowed in which in turn will make the water come out. I have done this numourous times but I still always like the T-Line to be higher than the rest of the system for 2 reasons. 1) What if a leak happened? Pump casing or gasket fails? Hose clamp not on well? Ooops, water all over the place. Make sure it is capped when finished filling. 2) I find that air bleeds much faster when the t-line is higher than the rest of the system. Maybe that can be a myth, but my personal experience shows it is true. |
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08-18-2004, 07:34 PM | #73 |
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I just thought of another myth! (Closer to a flame, but whatever)
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08-18-2004, 07:43 PM | #74 | |
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tis the truth, but not easy with top-mounted radiators.
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08-18-2004, 08:04 PM | #75 | |
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My next system may have the fill tube on the rad itself. I was thinking about installing it like you have it there and drilling a hole ontop of one of the tanks and another hole through the case and solder on a copper or brass pipe with a threaded end for cap. The pipe will stick up just far enough above the top of the case to fit the cap on. |
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