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General Liquid/Water Cooling Discussion For discussion about Full Cooling System kits, or general cooling topics. Keep specific cooling items like pumps, radiators, etc... in their specific forums. |
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08-19-2004, 04:09 PM | #101 | |
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There's the over-the-top with theory and data approach. The only ones that will understand are those who already could figure it out, if they cared. There's the slightly dumbed-down, full of analogies, spoon-fed-but-backed-up-with-real-science method. It doesn't get overly technical, can be understood by those with a brain who care to learn, and offers solid technical background and/or real life (and quality) data. I'm a tad biased toward this last approach as anyone who has read some of my stuff knows. No matter the approach, resign yourself to one simple fact. Regardless of how right you are, how well you prove it, and how well you present it, someone will still argue that you are wrong. Such is life. Personally I got a little burned out explaining the same concepts time and again at varied forums. Sure, lots of people took my words to heart and actually learned something, but I could only do it so long. A full time job and three kids kinda took the wind out of my writing sails. I wish you best of luck in your endeavor for though your goals are noble your task is unending. |
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08-19-2004, 04:13 PM | #103 | |
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that's what your wikipedia or FAQ or whatever is for if I went into everyhting in detail, it would have been a month at least, and way too long for a single OCers article It was a good first article of it's kind as far as I'm concerned, though there's a lot of room for improvement. Also, realize the target audience of OCers...I've already gotten emails from people not understanding the simple physics about pump inlet ot outlet delta T weak target audience is no excuse for misinformation, and I firmly believe there is no misinformation. Rules of thumb are just that, and not concrete. The rule of thumb about pump heat into water is supported by Cathar's data, which shows the MCP600 at 9w (of 12 consumed) into the water and the D4 at 14-15w (of 20 consumed) into the water. thanks for the encouragement, though, pH
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08-19-2004, 04:20 PM | #104 | |
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08-19-2004, 04:41 PM | #105 | |
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Let's break out the evidence:
Fact one is supported by Bill's radiator testing here: http://thermal-management-testing.com/ThermoChill.htm Fact two is covered by this: Quote:
Teeline can be from all the pictures in this thread of water not leaving the system. I can't do the aluminum one as it is just so stupid (the myth part) Gold's been covered. Do we really need to prove that mercury is poisonous? http://pasture.ecn.purdue.edu/~mercury/src/poison.htm AF: http://www.overclockers.com/articles609/index.asp Bleach has been covered I don't know of where to get data on sensors other than Cathar's comments. Maybe you could do a quick check, pHaestus? Digidoc info is provided by the company. Condensation... Can't occur as you need something below ambient being introduced, and from ANY radiator testing it is shown that temperatures below ambient can not be reached. Flatness is just from Bill's comments, http://www.swiftnets.com/ Eye testers: look at the WW. It's a bunch of fins that run parallel to the water. It should cool about as well as a Slitedge from looking at it. All the clones show this too. I'm not quite sure how you put this in or whatever you do. |
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08-19-2004, 04:49 PM | #106 | |
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I think a big part of tech writing is target audience. Yes, the article may not have shown proof, but show me a part of it you think is wrong, and we'll talk. A relatively weak target audience is no excuse for misinformation, but it is a reason to keep things simple.
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08-19-2004, 04:55 PM | #107 | ||
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08-19-2004, 05:56 PM | #108 | |
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08-19-2004, 06:03 PM | #109 |
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Sorry if I came off as harsh; am in the middle of extreme workload at office. My approach to writing journal articles is that I want to be the LAST one written. What I mean is this: I strive to have my manuscript be so thorough, the experimental data so compelling and complete, and the discussion so logical and sensible that anyone to study the topic later would just read my paper, say "Ok well that answers that" and move on to another line of research.
A somewhat arrogant attitude perhaps, but it results in higher quality publications. No reason that a web-based article can't shoot for the same, right?
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08-19-2004, 06:12 PM | #111 | |
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otherwise, just a scan and forget (ain't it awful) my first rad article took over 6 mos, and it was a disaster - I should have waited a year and gotten it right |
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08-19-2004, 06:13 PM | #112 |
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I lost a ~20% done draft when my hdd died.
Shit happens
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08-19-2004, 06:14 PM | #113 | |
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agreed but what about the meantime, when people are making decisions based on myths and fallacies? jaydee said it all
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08-19-2004, 06:20 PM | #114 | |
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better IMHO to spend a few hours putting up an article that may help, then a much better article months later opposed to ignorance for months, then a better article pH, you should know what I'm talking about, you just asked for help with the FAQ and prolinks on the frontpage. I'd be glad to help, but I'm afraid my work is not of the caliber expected, eh?
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08-19-2004, 06:31 PM | #115 |
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"I'd be glad to help, but I'm afraid my work is not of the caliber expected, eh?"
don't be thin-skinned if you are going to write, you will have to do a lot of it to become proficient - and nothing is perfect eh ? |
08-19-2004, 07:08 PM | #116 |
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Greenman what you put together is a bare framework of what I would want. Now imagine the same article filled with crosslinks and references and tons of supporting documentation and when possible test results. We need to more effectively use the internet and html capabilities for something like this and it could be much more than what was posted on OCers. That's my point. It's fine to quote Dave's (very good) AMDMB articles when appropriate and link rather than rewriting everything constantly
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08-19-2004, 07:20 PM | #117 |
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why not start on an 'update' ? don't be in a hurry to solicit corrections and comments, first YOU need to become the MASTER of each topic you will then find most comments fo little import, but watch each for that special insight |
08-19-2004, 07:57 PM | #118 | |
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I'll get on it after I start classes a few weeks or so good point on the master of each topic
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08-19-2004, 08:42 PM | #119 |
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I missed all the fun
Agreed that there should be more solid physics/science evidence backing up the statements being made, or at least, stick with the analogy approach and follow up with links to the underlying physical technical explanations available at various sources.
Re: Asetek, let me just say that I personally didn't expect any better, nor was I surprised to see that level of "understanding" coming from them. |
08-20-2004, 02:56 AM | #120 |
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Re: the slowing water in the radiator so it spends more time myth
Speed is distance over time. Flow rate is volume over time. The speed of flow may vary throughout the loop, but the flow rate is constant. Regardless of how fast or slow the water is moving, the same amount of water passes through the radiator in a given time. The correct way to increase the time the water spends in the radiator is to make the radiator bigger, increasing the distance and giving the water a longer trip through the radiator rather than a slower one. |
08-20-2004, 04:28 AM | #121 | |
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Id hardly call asetek a learned manu; finding their own design inefficient, they blatently rip off another design... I love it how he calls you arrogant, after all, all he is, is a petty thief with no morals. Oh well, such is business. Last edited by Etacovda; 08-20-2004 at 04:48 AM. |
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10-27-2004, 05:35 PM | #122 | |
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Let me know.
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10-27-2004, 05:41 PM | #123 |
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Testbed for sure.
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congrats g1
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10-27-2004, 06:10 PM | #125 | |
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100% of it? the selfish part of me wants some for my work, but I will listen to others
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