Sidewinder TC-4 vs Geminicool spiral block

ablaze · 03-29-2002, 03:27 PM

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The Sidewinder TC-4 is another excellent addition to the high performance "True" 1/2" blocks that we provide. The TC-4 block has a 1/2" Turbulator channel design which swirls the water inside the channels to provide extremely efficient heat transfer to the flowing water without sacraficing flowrate. Comes polished and utilizes and includes the 4-bolt hold-down hardware.

or the geminicool Hi-flow one

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High water volume Spiral Copper CPU cooler.For us in water cooled systems with a system flow rate above 240gph. The larger channel reduces backpressure for use with larger pumps. The cooler is mounted using nylon screws and fasteners. The fasters surface mount on the motherboard so it is not necessary to remove your main board to install this cooler. Spring washers are included to insure proper claming pressure. Comes with 3/8" hose barbs and possibly an option for 1/2" Includes all mounting hardware.

gonna order one of these..which one guys? which will perform better with my super hi-flow Eheim 1060

all comments appreciated!

ablaze · 03-29-2002, 03:39 PM

oh it'd be great if after you've voted to post and share your reason/logic for your choice..thanks!

pHaestus · 03-29-2002, 03:56 PM

No Maze3?

decodeddiesel · 03-29-2002, 03:59 PM

Niether one, rather I would recomend MAZE 3 or Fixittt's Spir@l. Reasoning? I have seen zero review or compairisons on the TC-4s performance and quite honestly it looks like it would impact flow too adversly to reep the benefits of the turbulators. Perhaps time will tell and I'll be prooved wrong, but regardless I would not purchase this block at this time. The geminicool? Ot uses 1/8" NPT fittings with a 3/8" barb. This will certianly have a severe impact on flow and defeats the whole reasoning behind creating deeper channels to reduce back pressure. It sure looks perdy, but I am leary about it's performance and impact on flow.

pHaestus · 03-29-2002, 04:05 PM

I won't buy a block that doesn't accept 3/8" NPT threaded fittings. At this time, that only leaves #rotor as a potential manufacturer of blocks for pH

ablaze · 03-29-2002, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by pHaestus
No Maze3?

nah..looks too pretty to me..too pretty to be taken seriously..like a really hot chick

hehe

anyway, yeah. thanks for all the opinions guys. I may not reply, but I'll be sure to take note of everyone's opinions in making my choice

thanks!

Kevin · 03-29-2002, 04:09 PM

Too pretty for a Maze3?! That second block is more of a hotty than the Maze3

. I like the big channels of the first one...
-Kev

ablaze · 03-29-2002, 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by decodeddiesel
Niether one, rather I would recomend MAZE 3 or Fixittt's Spir@l. Reasoning? I have seen zero review or compairisons on the TC-4s performance and quite honestly it looks like it would impact flow too adversly to reep the benefits of the turbulators. Perhaps time will tell and I'll be prooved wrong, but regardless I would not purchase this block at this time. The geminicool? Ot uses 1/8" NPT fittings with a 3/8" barb. This will certianly have a severe impact on flow and defeats the whole reasoning behind creating deeper channels to reduce back pressure. It sure looks perdy, but I am leary about it's performance and impact on flow.

the geminicool had a really solid review at overclockers.com .. you must've read that right..

and the tc-4..well..not a review in sight..but danny at dtek says performance is right up there with the big guys..well..

ablaze · 03-29-2002, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Kevin
Too pretty for a Maze3?! That second block is more of a hotty than the Maze3 . I like the big channels of the first one...
-Kev

:laugh:

can somebody tell me which is better..and all copper block like the sidewinder..or an lexan/acrylic topped one like the maze3 and the geminicool and the spir@ls..

pHaestus · 03-29-2002, 04:10 PM

The Maze3 is a beautiful block, but my money is on it having some serious thought and prototyping behind it as well. The geminicool block did well with hoot's testing and little fittings, but that was with a lot of pressure behind the water and not a normal magdrive type pump.

Put a standard 1/2" hose barb on it after drilling it out for lower pressure drop and it will spill over to multiple channels. That's no good. The geminicool looks like the same deal as the OCH Z4: A well milled block for 3/8" setups but NOT good for 1/2". And if the blocks are all going to be 3/8", then I would look also at the Swiftech.

ablaze · 03-29-2002, 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by pHaestus
The Maze3 is a beautiful block, but my money is on it having some serious thought and prototyping behind it as well. The geminicool block did well with hoot's testing and little fittings, but that was with a lot of pressure behind the water and not a normal magdrive type pump.

Put a standard 1/2" hose barb on it after drilling it out for lower pressure drop and it will spill over to multiple channels. That's no good. The geminicool looks like the same deal as the OCH Z4: A well milled block for 3/8" setups but NOT good for 1/2". And if the blocks are all going to be 3/8", then I would look also at the Swiftech.

well i've decided to go for the Eheim 1060..and thats probably gonna give me more flow than I need..together with a 1/2" setup..shouldn't that give more than enough flow for the geminicool? or the TC-4..mm..confused I am

pHaestus · 03-29-2002, 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by Kevin
Too pretty for a Maze3?! That second block is more of a hotty than the Maze3 . I like the big channels of the first one...
-Kev

No way! The maze3 pic is my desktop wallpaper it looks so sweet!

Cyco-Dude · 03-29-2002, 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by decodeddiesel
Niether one, rather I would recomend MAZE 3 or Fixittt's Spir@l. Reasoning? I have seen zero review or compairisons on the TC-4s performance...

...and you've seen reviews or comparison's of the Maze3 or Fixit's Spir@l? by all means, post some links................................

ablaze · 03-29-2002, 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by pHaestus

No way! The maze3 pic is my desktop wallpaper it looks so sweet!

issit just me or does the maze3 look horribly SHALLOW?? doesn't look like it'll perform very well to me..

pHaestus · 03-29-2002, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by ablaze

well i've decided to go for the Eheim 1060..and thats probably gonna give me more flow than I need..together with a 1/2" setup..shouldn't that give more than enough flow for the geminicool? or the TC-4..mm..confused I am

You should get acceptable flowrates, but you would get acceptable flow rates with pretty much any block and the 1060. You said you wanted a high flow system, and just because they say the block is high flow doesn't actually make it so

ablaze · 03-29-2002, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by Cyco-Dude

...and you've seen reviews or comparison's of the Maze3 or Fixit's Spir@l? by all means, post some links................................

thats a good one

there've been NO REVIEWS whatsoever of the maze3 and yet people are already hell-bent on it being the next best WB..

ablaze · 03-29-2002, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by pHaestus

You should get acceptable flowrates, but you would get acceptable flow rates with pretty much any block and the 1060. You said you wanted a high flow system, and just because they say the block is high flow doesn't actually make it so

well its supposed to perform better with higher flow rates..I figured if their low-flow block performs at up to 10F lower (according the www.geminicool.com) at "normal" flow rates..the hi-flow model must perform best with high flows..and the 1060's as high as it gets right

pHaestus · 03-29-2002, 04:19 PM

The poll starter initially stated they were looking for a high flow block. Without reviews, one can still look at channels and draw some conclusions about flow rates through the block.

Especially since I doubt anyone on this forum (except maybe fixxitt) has either a TC-4 or a geminicool either.

ablaze · 03-29-2002, 04:20 PM

yeah thats me: poll starter

decodeddiesel · 03-29-2002, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Cyco-Dude

...and you've seen reviews or comparison's of the Maze3 or Fixit's Spir@l? by all means, post some links................................

As a matter of fact I have seen numerous reviews of the Spir@l, although I do not have the URL of one handy ATM I'm sure if you google it you will find one also. As to the MAZE 3, to be honest I implicitly trust Dangerden. They would not release something without a shit load of research, experimentation, and design. You are probably seeing MAZE 3.5 or 3.6 as the released item. Quite honestly I trust Dangerden for one, but more so I've studied fluid dynamics during my college years and watercooled long enough to reconize a good design when I see one. The MAZE 3 is going to rock, and you can quote me on that.

Fixittt · 03-29-2002, 04:58 PM

HEHEHEHEHE that pic of the gemini block........... that was taken on MY POOL Table.

I got some other interesting pics to show U guys when I get home

decodeddiesel · 03-29-2002, 05:06 PM

You've got a pool table??? Fix you SUCK

ablaze · 03-29-2002, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by Fixittt
HEHEHEHEHE that pic of the gemini block........... that was taken on MY POOL Table.

I got some other interesting pics to show U guys when I get home

thats YOUR gemini fixitt?

so how's it compare to your spir@l?

Fixittt · 03-29-2002, 05:43 PM

never tested it yet.

Its just sitting here on my desk

No Time!

Fixittt · 03-29-2002, 06:03 PM

Ok made a new thread for the photo shoot.

View Poll Results: Which block will perform better on a hi-flow 1/2" setup?
Sidewinder TC-4	39	66.10%
GeminiCool "high flow"	20	33.90%
Voters: 59. You may not vote on this poll

03-29-2002, 03:59 PM	#4
decodeddiesel Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: classified Posts: 534	Niether one, rather I would recomend MAZE 3 or Fixittt's Spir@l. Reasoning? I have seen zero review or compairisons on the TC-4s performance and quite honestly it looks like it would impact flow too adversly to reep the benefits of the turbulators. Perhaps time will tell and I'll be prooved wrong, but regardless I would not purchase this block at this time. The geminicool? Ot uses 1/8" NPT fittings with a 3/8" barb. This will certianly have a severe impact on flow and defeats the whole reasoning behind creating deeper channels to reduce back pressure. It sure looks perdy, but I am leary about it's performance and impact on flow. __________________ ...i hurt... do me a favor, disconect me... they can re-work me but i'll never be top of the line again ...i'd rather be nothing...

03-29-2002, 04:09 PM	#7
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	Too pretty for a Maze3?! That second block is more of a hotty than the Maze3 . I like the big channels of the first one... -Kev __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

03-29-2002, 04:58 PM	#21
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	HEHEHEHEHE that pic of the gemini block........... that was taken on MY POOL Table. I got some other interesting pics to show U guys when I get home __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-29-2002, 05:06 PM	#22
decodeddiesel Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: classified Posts: 534	You've got a pool table??? Fix you SUCK __________________ ...i hurt... do me a favor, disconect me... they can re-work me but i'll never be top of the line again ...i'd rather be nothing...

03-29-2002, 03:39 PM	#2
ablaze Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Singapore! Posts: 124	oh it'd be great if after you've voted to post and share your reason/logic for your choice..thanks!

03-29-2002, 03:56 PM	#3
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	No Maze3?

03-29-2002, 04:05 PM	#5
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	I won't buy a block that doesn't accept 3/8" NPT threaded fittings. At this time, that only leaves #rotor as a potential manufacturer of blocks for pH

03-29-2002, 04:10 PM	#10
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	The Maze3 is a beautiful block, but my money is on it having some serious thought and prototyping behind it as well. The geminicool block did well with hoot's testing and little fittings, but that was with a lot of pressure behind the water and not a normal magdrive type pump. Put a standard 1/2" hose barb on it after drilling it out for lower pressure drop and it will spill over to multiple channels. That's no good. The geminicool looks like the same deal as the OCH Z4: A well milled block for 3/8" setups but NOT good for 1/2". And if the blocks are all going to be 3/8", then I would look also at the Swiftech.

03-29-2002, 04:19 PM	#18
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	The poll starter initially stated they were looking for a high flow block. Without reviews, one can still look at channels and draw some conclusions about flow rates through the block. Especially since I doubt anyone on this forum (except maybe fixxitt) has either a TC-4 or a geminicool either.

03-29-2002, 04:20 PM	#19
ablaze Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Singapore! Posts: 124	yeah thats me: poll starter

03-29-2002, 05:43 PM	#24
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	never tested it yet. Its just sitting here on my desk No Time! __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-29-2002, 06:03 PM	#25
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Ok made a new thread for the photo shoot. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

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