[H]ard forum sux nutz. - Page 2

tim-may · 06-20-2002, 12:10 AM

I have never been on the HardOCP forums, but i was just at the Overclockers Forums....there must be over 100 people on all the time. not to brag or bring procooling down, but 110,000 posts just in the cooling sections makes me think most of them dont know how to use the search feature....most of it is crap and is very redundant, but you can find the info your need if you search for it (asus voltage mods anyone?)

ill probly check out the hardOCP forums later, but procooling's forums are the best by far

Brad · 06-20-2002, 02:12 AM

yeah, in the [h] forums you will see SO many repeated questions, should I water cool? how much will my processor overclock? what cooler should I use? etc.

pHaestus · 06-20-2002, 07:57 AM

Nah the bulk of the posts in O/cers cooling forums are also "what heatsink is better, x,y,z?" "Are these temperatures ok?" etc etc. There are indeed some knowledgable people over at o/cers though and the cooling section has some very useful threads.

tim-may · 06-20-2002, 04:01 PM

obviously there are some smart people on the Hard forums...

From: Mr. Thompson

Quote:

You will need at least a 156 watt pelt on your Duron. My guess is it's toast now. I would also recommend reading the articles at Pro Cooling on condensation prevention. You need to insulate the inside and outside of the CPU socket, coldplate and the back of the motherboard. Dielectric grease in the pin holes of the ZIF socket is a must.

Joe · 06-20-2002, 04:54 PM

Mr. Thompson isn't bad at all,

But the ratio of stupid people to smart people there is pretty bad.

Lord Twilight · 06-28-2002, 06:44 PM

I also go to the [H]. When I do though, I mostly lurk around in the Cool Cases and OC&C. I occasionally go into GenMay, but usually just for entertainment value. (Some of the threads in there are fun to read

). Oh, and Digital Artwerk.. There is a lot of good info there. A lot of times I do some research when I'm thinking about getting a new HD or something, and go into whichever forum and search for what I'm looking for to see other people's experiences.

Why are forums so time consuming??? Maybe I just visit too many..

ProCooling
2CPU
[H]ard|OCP
3DBuzz
CGTalk

Not to mention a few others that I occasionally visit...

Heavy_Equipment · 06-28-2002, 07:11 PM

At least this forum made the top of your list.

RedTalon19 · 07-26-2002, 01:45 AM

yeahi dont visit the [H] as often as i used to although i do stop by every now and again... OC&C is my official home and always will be. i think it just got too big for its own good... back when i joined in late 2000 it was great... but now i think the whole ideal is just lost

maskedgeek · 07-30-2002, 12:04 AM

yea the hardforums are pretty bad! you should have seen what happened to SilverSinkSam from ocforums, he saw that people were trading hardware for warez files and mp3s and that and he stepped in and said how he was a trollhunter for ocforums classifieds and was banned, then a whole bunch of us came over there

i personally like the overclockers.com forums a lot, they are fast pased and a lot of good stuff there with no crappage like the hard forums...

Skulemate · 08-01-2002, 11:47 PM

My take on why there's less BS here is the fact that these forums are more intimidating to post on than over at a large forum like [H]. I mean, after reading through just a few threads here you realise that there are lots of people who know their stuff... and who'll correct you if you're spouting crap. To me, that's worse than being insulted by a fourteen year old.

Joe · 08-01-2002, 11:51 PM

You think having people on a board who know what they are doing, and will correct people if they are spouting crap is worse than just leaving people to spread mis information and crap?

I am confused by that last post.

If that is what you meant. I am happy the forums intimidate people, and keep some of the trolls out of here.

Sled_Dog · 08-01-2002, 11:54 PM

whats wrong with you? See on this subject I know more than you so I say SIT YOU ASS DOWN AND CLOSE YOUR HOLE....

Skulemate · 08-01-2002, 11:56 PM

No, that's not what I meant at all. It's because there are so many knowledgable people here, people are far less likely to try with the BS posts in the first place.

I guess I could clarify by saying that I feel it's worse to have someone point out that you're full of it when you're trying to sound smart than it is to be flamed when you're posting something relevant.

Sled_Dog · 08-01-2002, 11:58 PM

but if you are the same person how can one thing be relevant on one forum and total inane poo on another?

Joe · 08-02-2002, 12:00 AM

damn sled, you are a moron some times

hehehehe

Skulemate · 08-02-2002, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sled_Dog
but if you are the same person how can one thing be relevant on one forum and total inane poo on another?

I'm not saying that I have ever posted "inane poo" on this forum or any other... I'm saying that those who only have BS to post would think twice about posting here since they'll be shot down quickly. Conversly, people with great knowledge to share with others will likely choose a forum such as this to visit since it's not worth their time to get flamed every time they post something useful.

Hope that clears up my thoughts on this...

Sled_Dog · 08-02-2002, 12:04 AM

damn straight

. I get what he is saying but at the same time no. I mean on the site where you just get flamed all you do is put your point out there and have it lost in a see of flames and hell fire. On the other one at least your idea gets out and people can criticize you. Not like flame but help you and shape your idea so it does make sense and is correct. Hmm help or hell? that response did help. one post you say umm I have no idea. then another you umm say something different. my head hurts JOE MAKE IT STOP!

Skulemate · 08-02-2002, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sled_Dog
but if you are the same person how can one thing be relevant on one forum and total inane poo on another?

Damn... I thought of a better reply than that other one I posted: if you're a regular in the General Mayhem section of [H] of course...

Sled_Dog · 08-02-2002, 12:07 AM

now what does that mean? I used to be a regular there. then I got banned. 6 times.... now I am here....

Skulemate · 08-02-2002, 12:07 AM

But Sled... it's one thing to put forth ideas with the intent of having others work with them and make suggestions, or criticisms. That's one of the things I like best about this place. However, it's quite another entirely to make claims as if your word is cannon only to be told you're totally off base...

Oh, and that was a joke... considering the theme of the thread and all......

Sled_Dog · 08-02-2002, 12:09 AM

I see it as the same thing. The only way it is really different is the eyes of the person making the initial statement. In the end it gets the same criticism(sp?) and help. Just that in the second case the person has it stuck in their head they are right, thus making criticism seem like more of an attack than help.

oh I get it now... no really I do

Skulemate · 08-02-2002, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sled_Dog
Just that in the second case the person has it stuck in their head they are right, thus making criticism seem like more of an attack than help.

Exactly... hence the flame wars.

Heavy_Equipment · 08-02-2002, 11:16 AM

Ok, in Kyle's defence, (who said that?) they are trying to clean it up over there. You flame, you're gone.

Better late then never, even though it is long overdue.

I think the reason for Joe's setup being far better:

Around here it's Pro/Forums first...Pro/Cooling second. I'd even go as far as say pro/cooling is just a "best of" when it comes to articles and how-to's.

Kyle and Steve are trying way to hard to be "the" news/tech/review site...and the forums have been half ignored for a long time. (I can't even remember the last time one of the mod's/staff threw their two cents in on a hot topic...let alone some of the out of the way threads Joe, Brad, pHaestus, or Kevin show up in)

Ok, as Joe's worklog states, Pro/Cooling is going to get some much needed attention...with new articles, reviews, writer's (04/29??), and such, but you know the forum won't get ignored.

Can O' Beans · 08-06-2002, 12:20 AM

I started off on the [H].. then realized there were too many morons spamming every useful post.

Went over to www.pheaton.com where I learned a LOT about case modding. Check out my "Dragont cutout/front lcd" post in the "Work logs" forum...

Then I found this board and am learning more about watercooling.

Now I just have to learn PIC programming/interfacing & my monster project from hell will be complete

06-20-2002, 02:12 AM	#27
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	yeah, in the [h] forums you will see SO many repeated questions, should I water cool? how much will my processor overclock? what cooler should I use? etc. __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

06-20-2002, 04:54 PM	#30
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	Mr. Thompson isn't bad at all, But the ratio of stupid people to smart people there is pretty bad. __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

06-28-2002, 06:44 PM	#31
Lord Twilight Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 47	I also go to the [H]. When I do though, I mostly lurk around in the Cool Cases and OC&C. I occasionally go into GenMay, but usually just for entertainment value. (Some of the threads in there are fun to read ). Oh, and Digital Artwerk.. There is a lot of good info there. A lot of times I do some research when I'm thinking about getting a new HD or something, and go into whichever forum and search for what I'm looking for to see other people's experiences. Why are forums so time consuming??? Maybe I just visit too many.. ProCooling 2CPU [H]ard\|OCP 3DBuzz CGTalk Not to mention a few others that I occasionally visit... __________________ I've come to suck the fun out of the night.

07-26-2002, 01:45 AM	#33
RedTalon19 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: PA Posts: 96	yeahi dont visit the [H] as often as i used to although i do stop by every now and again... OC&C is my official home and always will be. i think it just got too big for its own good... back when i joined in late 2000 it was great... but now i think the whole ideal is just lost __________________ i am myself not anybody else and thats who i am and not who you are so dont be like me because i am myself.

08-01-2002, 11:47 PM	#35
Skulemate Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 381	My take on why there's less BS here is the fact that these forums are more intimidating to post on than over at a large forum like [H]. I mean, after reading through just a few threads here you realise that there are lots of people who know their stuff... and who'll correct you if you're spouting crap. To me, that's worse than being insulted by a fourteen year old. __________________ Michael E. Robbins M.A.Sc. Candidate, University of Toronto 12.1 GHz of AMD's finest (17.7 GHz total) crunching proudly for the AMDMB.com Killer Frogs SETI BOINC: Dual Opteron 246s (Iwill DK8N) \| XP2800+ (Shuttle SN41G2) \| 3x XP2400+ (ASUS A7N266-vm) SETI BOINC: 2x P4 2.8E (ASUS P4R800-vm) \| Crunching 24/7

06-20-2002, 12:10 AM	#26
tim-may Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 161	I have never been on the HardOCP forums, but i was just at the Overclockers Forums....there must be over 100 people on all the time. not to brag or bring procooling down, but 110,000 posts just in the cooling sections makes me think most of them dont know how to use the search feature....most of it is crap and is very redundant, but you can find the info your need if you search for it (asus voltage mods anyone?) ill probly check out the hardOCP forums later, but procooling's forums are the best by far

06-20-2002, 07:57 AM	#28
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Nah the bulk of the posts in O/cers cooling forums are also "what heatsink is better, x,y,z?" "Are these temperatures ok?" etc etc. There are indeed some knowledgable people over at o/cers though and the cooling section has some very useful threads.

06-28-2002, 07:11 PM	#32
Heavy_Equipment Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Newmarket, Ontario, Canada Posts: 282	At least this forum made the top of your list.

07-30-2002, 12:04 AM	#34
maskedgeek Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: poop Posts: 145	yea the hardforums are pretty bad! you should have seen what happened to SilverSinkSam from ocforums, he saw that people were trading hardware for warez files and mp3s and that and he stepped in and said how he was a trollhunter for ocforums classifieds and was banned, then a whole bunch of us came over there i personally like the overclockers.com forums a lot, they are fast pased and a lot of good stuff there with no crappage like the hard forums...

08-01-2002, 11:51 PM	#36
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	You think having people on a board who know what they are doing, and will correct people if they are spouting crap is worse than just leaving people to spread mis information and crap? I am confused by that last post. If that is what you meant. I am happy the forums intimidate people, and keep some of the trolls out of here. __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

08-01-2002, 11:54 PM	#37
Sled_Dog Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Snowyland(not Alaska) Posts: 238	whats wrong with you? See on this subject I know more than you so I say SIT YOU ASS DOWN AND CLOSE YOUR HOLE.... __________________ pro/chat has a website now? wow

08-01-2002, 11:56 PM	#38
Skulemate Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 381	No, that's not what I meant at all. It's because there are so many knowledgable people here, people are far less likely to try with the BS posts in the first place. I guess I could clarify by saying that I feel it's worse to have someone point out that you're full of it when you're trying to sound smart than it is to be flamed when you're posting something relevant. __________________ Michael E. Robbins M.A.Sc. Candidate, University of Toronto 12.1 GHz of AMD's finest (17.7 GHz total) crunching proudly for the AMDMB.com Killer Frogs SETI BOINC: Dual Opteron 246s (Iwill DK8N) \| XP2800+ (Shuttle SN41G2) \| 3x XP2400+ (ASUS A7N266-vm) SETI BOINC: 2x P4 2.8E (ASUS P4R800-vm) \| Crunching 24/7 Last edited by Skulemate; 08-01-2002 at 11:58 PM.

08-01-2002, 11:58 PM	#39
Sled_Dog Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Snowyland(not Alaska) Posts: 238	but if you are the same person how can one thing be relevant on one forum and total inane poo on another? __________________ pro/chat has a website now? wow

08-02-2002, 12:00 AM	#40
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	damn sled, you are a moron some times hehehehe __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

08-02-2002, 12:04 AM	#42
Sled_Dog Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Snowyland(not Alaska) Posts: 238	damn straight . I get what he is saying but at the same time no. I mean on the site where you just get flamed all you do is put your point out there and have it lost in a see of flames and hell fire. On the other one at least your idea gets out and people can criticize you. Not like flame but help you and shape your idea so it does make sense and is correct. Hmm help or hell? that response did help. one post you say umm I have no idea. then another you umm say something different. my head hurts JOE MAKE IT STOP! __________________ pro/chat has a website now? wow

08-02-2002, 12:07 AM	#44
Sled_Dog Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Snowyland(not Alaska) Posts: 238	now what does that mean? I used to be a regular there. then I got banned. 6 times.... now I am here.... __________________ pro/chat has a website now? wow

08-02-2002, 12:09 AM	#46
Sled_Dog Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Snowyland(not Alaska) Posts: 238	I see it as the same thing. The only way it is really different is the eyes of the person making the initial statement. In the end it gets the same criticism(sp?) and help. Just that in the second case the person has it stuck in their head they are right, thus making criticism seem like more of an attack than help. oh I get it now... no really I do __________________ pro/chat has a website now? wow

08-02-2002, 11:16 AM	#48
Heavy_Equipment Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Newmarket, Ontario, Canada Posts: 282	Ok, in Kyle's defence, (who said that?) they are trying to clean it up over there. You flame, you're gone. Better late then never, even though it is long overdue. I think the reason for Joe's setup being far better: Around here it's Pro/Forums first...Pro/Cooling second. I'd even go as far as say pro/cooling is just a "best of" when it comes to articles and how-to's. Kyle and Steve are trying way to hard to be "the" news/tech/review site...and the forums have been half ignored for a long time. (I can't even remember the last time one of the mod's/staff threw their two cents in on a hot topic...let alone some of the out of the way threads Joe, Brad, pHaestus, or Kevin show up in) Ok, as Joe's worklog states, Pro/Cooling is going to get some much needed attention...with new articles, reviews, writer's (04/29??), and such, but you know the forum won't get ignored.

08-06-2002, 12:20 AM	#49
Can O' Beans Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Pa - USA Posts: 264	I started off on the [H].. then realized there were too many morons spamming every useful post. Went over to www.pheaton.com where I learned a LOT about case modding. Check out my "Dragont cutout/front lcd" post in the "Work logs" forum... Then I found this board and am learning more about watercooling. Now I just have to learn PIC programming/interfacing & my monster project from hell will be complete

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