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04-12-2003, 07:44 PM | #51 | |
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on violence, firearms etc to make us all more friendly, would be the dream. Though that is not possible, at lest I don't think so.
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I don't own any fire arms. I just don't see the need to own a fire arm. I feel; and this is just the way I feel, that I would put my family in more danger by having the weapon in my house. I don't know anyone that has been the victim of a burglary/homicide however I lost my brother to a gun accident. I don't know if my experiences are indicative of the nature of firearms, but it seems a study could be made to quantify the number of firearm misshaps with the number of actual uses (in home or public defense each use could be counted as a saved life or save family depending on the situation) Of course military figures would have to left out of this study as I think that would skew the results. This study of course wouldnt change any laws however I think it may change some peoples ideas on firearm education and ownership.
In response to people saying that people such as Nader wouldn't be taken seriously in this country due to his lack of charisma. I think we are missing the boat here. I think that people such as Nader don't have the financial backing to be exposed to the popular culture (masses) of America. It takes huge amounts of money to run a campaign like Bush or Gore. Bush had to run the most expensive primary campaign in history in order to beat the more qualified John McKain. If all campaign funds were equal we would see a whole different ball of wax come election time. Candidates would have to rely on their political record and they would have to campaign instead of relying on their dads cash and soft money from big corps.
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Political contributions in the US bring bick buck$ to the politicians.
I remember that in Canada, the rules are much different, where a contribution cap has been imposed. There is talk of doing this in the US, but for now, it's strictly on a voluntary basis. It certainly would be nice if our politicians showed the same integrity as journalists (the good ones) try to have. I'm sorry to hear about your loss, CyberSamurai. I too will refuse to have a gun in my house, and in fact, I insist that my stepchildren don't play with toy guns either (may be overboard, but that's me!) My stepson wanted a dartgun (CO2 cartridge) for christmas last year, and I had no problem saying no. I also lost a friend at the Montreal University shooting, some 10 years ago, at the hand of a gun wielding maniac. |
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Nader wouldn't have been elected no matter how much money he had behind him. His ideas are too radical and impractical for the majority of Americans to buy into. The day someone like him gets elected is the day I retire to a start thinking about whether or not I want to be an American. Seriously. I will NOT allow the money I make be stripped from me wholesale to feed the selfish and lazy malingerers who feed off of socialist systems. Besides, the US would be an easy target if the the lefties have their way and start chainsawing the defense budget so they can pay more people not to work. It would be a sad day for the US and the world.
I do agree, however, that there should be limits on spending. There are too many rich know-nothings in the government who are there because of their pocketbooks and sponsors. If we blocked campaign donations and paid for campaigns out of government funds after the candidate received significant support via petition for candidacy, we would probably find a much more honest government would result, and that our corruption issues would quickly lessen.
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Googling sure helps a lot.
There's a lot of exagerated/misinterpreted statistics, Googling will clear that right up. You'll have a hard time finding stats on accidental shooting of one's own child, because the numbers are so low! |
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/04/....ap/index.html "They have guards in there. They're supposed to have security."
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Freedom is sometimes untidy. But the urge to restrict everyone's freedom because of the actions of a miniscule minority would be a greater tragedy. We must look at the bigger picture. Bob
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I knew this was coming Well what if you are that minority? Thoose who happend to be at the wrong place at the wrong time when someone who should be getting help for his/her issues are going postal and you stand point blank with a firearm pointed at your head, would you rather die knowing that you had your freedom and your firearms are in your safety locker at home or would you rather have the chance of living a whole life without that firearm or maybe with that firearm at the shooting range.....what freedom can you use when you dead? Where do you place the freedom of life? Every person only live once and damn if someone is going to destroy the creation of god, life. It's the greatest gift we'll ever get and without life no freedoms, no dreams, no work etc has a meaning.
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A bit surprised to see this one got going again after such a long pause.
Plawsworth, As you seem to be real interested in this topic I'll try to dig up the stats on the numbers of shootings involving young childeren in the US. Note: I said young children, not minors in their teens involved in gangs or other planned criminal activitys. Outlaw street gangs often in the country use underage teens as "runners" for their illegal activitys. If caught they most often don't go to jail as a adult would for the same criminal activitys, and if they do the time handed down by the courts is a fraction of what a adult would get. True accidants are extremely rare, such as a child shooting a playmate with daddys revolver that the child thought was a toy, or a wife shooting a child or husband thinking them to be a intruder. Far more people are killed by lightning than in those types of gun accidants. But as I said I'll see what real facts I can come up with. This may take some time. BE |
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"Far more people are killed by lightning than in those types of gun accidants." That is to me not very useful to know, unless I know % or nr of people. Since if 1million people dies from lightning and 500 000 people would die from guns, guns would still be a very big problem, but if only 50 people are killed by guns and 100 000 by lightning then it would be more intresting. Then I would try finding out why so many people get's killed by lightning. When it comes to European stats I can acess the swedish stats authorities and check muder stats between 1969-1996 online for free at www.scb.se and get exact stats. Sweden doesn't represent the whole of EU, but most countries are the same, with minor diffrences.
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