1600+ AGOIA or 1900+ AGOGA or TBred?

Arcturius · 12-06-2002, 06:12 PM

Hello all,

I was just making up my Christmas wish list (yes, I'm a really bad procrastinator...) and I noticed that newegg.com has 1600+ AGOIAs for $55 and free shipping. That caught my eye, but does anyone think I might be better off with a 1900+ AGOGA for $89+FS or a 1700+ Retail TBred for $65+FS?

Note: this new processor will just be a toy; I'm not out to buy a 1600+ and OC it to 1900MHz b/c I need that much speed--this chip will be replacing my *disposable* Duron 750 in the test box. Said box *should* end up with a direct-die watercooling system in the very near future, so I'm not horribly worried about the recent issues with TBred cooling.
Oh, and the board is a Vmodded KR7A-133.

Any thoughts?

airspirit · 12-06-2002, 06:23 PM

TbredA 1800+. They clock better than the 1700s for just a couple bux more. With the similarity in price to the 1600+, why wouldn't you?

And who wants a 1900+ AGOGA anymore, anyway? Go for the better, cheaper, chip. Plus, it is factory unlocked for your OCing pleasure.

g.l.amour · 12-06-2002, 06:36 PM

my 1800+ agoia is doing worse than anyone's 1600's here. it is stable at 1761 at 1.98 vcore (u gotta love em epoxes for giving that kind of vcore without soldering)

Arcturius · 12-06-2002, 06:41 PM

Tbred 'A'? What is the difference between that and any other TBred? The model number newegg carries for that is AXDA1800DLT3C (OEM), $69+FS.

Are you sure they're all unlocked? (I was just starting to get good with the window repair kit...

)

airspirit · 12-07-2002, 09:56 AM

TBredA are the first revision TBreds. TBredB are the second, starting with the 2400+. TBredA is the equivalent of the 2200+s with better steppings.

On some boards you still need to join the last L3 bridge, but all the L1 bridges are joined from the factory.

MadDogMe · 12-08-2002, 04:32 AM

A's were the first, 'poor' overclocking t~breds made, I would'nt bet on it being able to do 2gig if I were you anymore than an XP, my pally 1800+ AGOIA is only good for 1758 @ 1.75v~core, upping it to 1.85 makes no difference...

If you're not gonna o/c it get the t~bred, but if it starts adding up much more $%£'s than the 1600+ is it worth it to you?. 1600~AGOIA's were/are good chips...

Arcturius · 12-08-2002, 01:01 PM

Ok...I guess I'll need some more input...

Code:


           |For|Against|
+----------+---+-------+
|1600+AGOIA|  1|      1|
|1800+TBred|  1|      1|
|1900+AGOGA|  0|      1|
+----------+---+-------+

Mebbe I should have just made a poll....

bigben2k · 12-09-2002, 08:55 AM

You could always check the OC database.

zoson · 12-09-2002, 10:13 PM

see my post about this 1600+ i just got... 2100mhz.
-Zoson

Arcturius · 12-10-2002, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigben2k
You could always check the OC database.

Please forgive my ignorance, but where is this fabled OC database?

bigben2k · 12-10-2002, 08:51 AM

OC's CPU database here!

airspirit · 12-10-2002, 12:40 PM

TBredB 1800+ chips will be out next month. Get one of those puppies, if you can wait. They start shipping from Dresden tomorrow.

Wouldn't you like a $75 processor that can get over 2200 Mhz?

MadDogMe · 12-11-2002, 04:15 AM

Quote:

TBredB 1800+ chips will be out next month. Get one of those puppies, if you can wait. They start shipping from Dresden tomorrow.

Are they gonna be the 'revision b' cores?, cause it's the 'a' cores that put me off the lower range(under 2400) T~breds...

pHaestus · 12-11-2002, 08:03 AM

1600+ AGOIA and newer should be reasonably able to run at 1900MHz if you have GOOD cooling and voltage. Zoson has had even better luck. TBredAs are probably in the same range (1900-2000) but run much hotter.

I have an AGOIA with water at 1900MHz, and a AIRGA TBred (2200+) at 2000. The AGOIA is right at its limit, however.

UnloadeD · 12-11-2002, 08:23 AM

I got one of those 1600+ AGOIA's coming from newegg this week. Can't wait to mess around with it 8)

airspirit · 12-11-2002, 12:38 PM

TBredB = revision b. These are the good ones. They will start at 1700+ from the looks of it. Shipping started today!

12-06-2002, 06:12 PM	#1
Arcturius Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin Posts: 294	1600+ AGOIA or 1900+ AGOGA or TBred? Hello all, I was just making up my Christmas wish list (yes, I'm a really bad procrastinator...) and I noticed that newegg.com has 1600+ AGOIAs for $55 and free shipping. That caught my eye, but does anyone think I might be better off with a 1900+ AGOGA for $89+FS or a 1700+ Retail TBred for $65+FS? Note: this new processor will just be a toy; I'm not out to buy a 1600+ and OC it to 1900MHz b/c I need that much speed--this chip will be replacing my disposable Duron 750 in the test box. Said box should end up with a direct-die watercooling system in the very near future, so I'm not horribly worried about the recent issues with TBred cooling. Oh, and the board is a Vmodded KR7A-133. Any thoughts?

12-06-2002, 06:23 PM	#2
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	TbredA 1800+. They clock better than the 1700s for just a couple bux more. With the similarity in price to the 1600+, why wouldn't you? And who wants a 1900+ AGOGA anymore, anyway? Go for the better, cheaper, chip. Plus, it is factory unlocked for your OCing pleasure. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

12-06-2002, 06:36 PM	#3
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	my 1800+ agoia is doing worse than anyone's 1600's here. it is stable at 1761 at 1.98 vcore (u gotta love em epoxes for giving that kind of vcore without soldering) __________________ yo soy un tiburón

12-07-2002, 09:56 AM	#5
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	TBredA are the first revision TBreds. TBredB are the second, starting with the 2400+. TBredA is the equivalent of the 2200+s with better steppings. On some boards you still need to join the last L3 bridge, but all the L1 bridges are joined from the factory. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

12-08-2002, 01:01 PM	#7
Arcturius Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin Posts: 294	Ok...I guess I'll need some more input... Code: \|For\|Against\| +----------+---+-------+ \|1600+AGOIA\| 1\| 1\| \|1800+TBred\| 1\| 1\| \|1900+AGOGA\| 0\| 1\| +----------+---+-------+ Mebbe I should have just made a poll....

12-06-2002, 06:41 PM	#4
Arcturius Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin Posts: 294	Tbred 'A'? What is the difference between that and any other TBred? The model number newegg carries for that is AXDA1800DLT3C (OEM), $69+FS. Are you sure they're all unlocked? (I was just starting to get good with the window repair kit... )

12-08-2002, 04:32 AM	#6
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	A's were the first, 'poor' overclocking t~breds made, I would'nt bet on it being able to do 2gig if I were you anymore than an XP, my pally 1800+ AGOIA is only good for 1758 @ 1.75v~core, upping it to 1.85 makes no difference... If you're not gonna o/c it get the t~bred, but if it starts adding up much more $%£'s than the 1600+ is it worth it to you?. 1600~AGOIA's were/are good chips...

12-09-2002, 08:55 AM	#8
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	You could always check the OC database. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

12-09-2002, 10:13 PM	#9
zoson Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: X Posts: 204	see my post about this 1600+ i just got... 2100mhz. -Zoson __________________ Core i7 930 @ 4254Hz 22x193 \| ASUS R3E 901 BIOS \| 12GB Mushkin Blackline 3x4GB @ 1547MHz 7-8-7-24-1N \| Lian Li PC-A10B 2x EVGA GTX275 SLI @ 720/1266/1566 \| 2x 80GB Intel X25-M G2 SSD Raid 0 \| 3x 1TB Samsung Spinpoint 7.2K Raid 5 \| Corsair 950TX H2O \| Enzotech Sapphire Rev.A \| EK-FB RE3 \| Swiftech - 2x MCW60/GTX275 Unisink, MCP655b, MCRes Micro.v2 \| 3x HWLabs SR1-120 あなたの神への弓 Time isn't wasted, when you're gettin' wasted.

12-10-2002, 08:51 AM	#11
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	OC's CPU database here! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

12-10-2002, 12:40 PM	#12
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	TBredB 1800+ chips will be out next month. Get one of those puppies, if you can wait. They start shipping from Dresden tomorrow. Wouldn't you like a $75 processor that can get over 2200 Mhz? __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

12-11-2002, 08:03 AM	#14
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	1600+ AGOIA and newer should be reasonably able to run at 1900MHz if you have GOOD cooling and voltage. Zoson has had even better luck. TBredAs are probably in the same range (1900-2000) but run much hotter. I have an AGOIA with water at 1900MHz, and a AIRGA TBred (2200+) at 2000. The AGOIA is right at its limit, however.

12-11-2002, 08:23 AM	#15
UnloadeD Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MidWest USA Posts: 176	I got one of those 1600+ AGOIA's coming from newegg this week. Can't wait to mess around with it 8)

12-11-2002, 12:38 PM	#16
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	TBredB = revision b. These are the good ones. They will start at 1700+ from the looks of it. Shipping started today! __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

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