Got my tec but im not happy :(

Wayne Harrow · 06-27-2002, 12:07 PM

I got my 220w tec today but my temps are just terrible i was expecting reasonably bad temps but not this bad at idle its 31 degrees and at load its about 36 degrees. Im only running a duron 750@800 1.9volts i broke my AXP

and i have it on a Maze 2 and i have a BIX with a 70cmf fan. The water temp at load are about 50 degrees!! I know thats very high but do you think its purely down to the radiaor or do you think the processor might not be making good contact.

Cheers

jag_e_fattig · 06-27-2002, 01:47 PM

whoah! you need to put at 1.9v to oc a duron 50mhz!? maybe thats why your temp is so high, but still i doubt it.

make sure the block is clamped down tight and getting good contact

Dix Dogfight · 06-27-2002, 02:15 PM

You need to put a huge tressure on the pelt to get it to work properly.
You need to bolt your pelt to the WB with a coldplate.
If you run the pelt directly on the CPU you wont get the full effect of the pelt. You need a coldplate to transfer the heat from the small cpu to the larger pelt.

good luck

Wayne Harrow · 06-27-2002, 02:50 PM

Yea i have it clamped down well tight i rounded off my alan key doing so. Now im doing duron 750@1050 2v and according to my temp probe its at 23degrees and according to the mb its at 30 degrees so it must be caus eof my very high water temps. If you have any adive id be willing to try it.

Cheers

bigben2k · 06-27-2002, 03:40 PM

Can you measure the voltage going to the pelt?

Wayne Harrow · 06-27-2002, 04:10 PM

Its getting 15v 18amps so it aint that the onyl thing i can think of is the cpu not making proper contact do you agree with this?

bigben2k · 06-27-2002, 04:59 PM

Ok... tell us more about the system.

Wayne Harrow · 06-27-2002, 05:23 PM

Its a Maze 2-1 with a 220w peltier powered by a lowe sps8400 psu with a BIX rad cooled by a 70cmf fan. And it was on an AXP but i think thats dead now so im running it on a duron right now the water temps are at about 50degrees and i have the duron @ defalt 750mhz at the moment at 1.9v and the motherboard is reporting temp as 37 degrees.
I know the rad isnt quite up to the job but do you think my temps should be abit better, do you think the coldplate isnt getting decent contact because with out any load the cold plate forsts up and suff so what do you guys think?

tim-may · 06-30-2002, 05:20 AM

are you using some sort of thermal compound like arctic silver between: the cpu and the cold plate, the cold plate and the pelt, and the pelt and the waterblock?

Wayne Harrow · 06-30-2002, 05:25 AM

Well i mainly sorted my probelm it was down to poor contact and now my bench PSU butoon has broke so im not using the tec for now but i was using AS3 for everything cause i heard that AS2 doesnt work well.

mobuis · 06-30-2002, 02:59 PM

i think it might be the power supply. how many volts is the pelt and how many amps. and how many amps is your power supply and how many volts? cuz normal power supplies won't give enough amps to power a 220 watt pelt

Wayne Harrow · 06-30-2002, 04:47 PM

No it is a proper bench psu its rated at 15v @40 amps so its well powerfull enough. The probelm is that the on/off button has broke

Jason-Pro · 06-30-2002, 05:27 PM

The reason your temps are high is because your running to many volts into your tec you should run atleast 25 amps and 12V into your TEC more then that is just a waste and cause higher temps. (talking about the voltage line) but the 226w TEC is a 24 Amp tec so you want atleast 24 amps

Wayne Harrow · 06-30-2002, 05:30 PM

Yea i know i tried other voltages but 15v was the best and i sorted my probelms and it was mainly down to the insulation getting in the way and stopping if from making propper contact. But now the ****ing ON/OFF button is ****ed so im gonna hav eto RMA it or something.

Jason-Pro · 06-30-2002, 06:12 PM

errr 15V shouldnt be the best. if it is you got a Crap pelt or something. have you ever done watercooling or anything before?

Wayne Harrow · 07-01-2002, 05:43 AM

Why are you talking to me like im some sort of retard, And obyiously i have been watercooling for ages now so i decided to get a tec, It is not crap it is in my opinion one of the best. And say what you want to but the fact and the matter is 15v worked better for me than any other voltage. I DO know what im doing and it was simply down to poor clamping and insulation which you would have found out if you read my other posts.

Wayne

Wayne Harrow · 07-04-2002, 12:40 PM

Sorted it now im at 15 degrees load at 1gig

JimS · 07-05-2002, 07:26 AM

Nice job Wayne. Any problems with condensation?

Wayne Harrow · 07-05-2002, 12:00 PM

Cheers, Yep im having alot of problems with condensation but i think ive sorted most of them now but still when ever i restart my PC it will not restart and every morning my computer will not boot i have to take it appart and redo all the processor and stuff so im still trying to find out what the problem is. But the temps seem pretty good considering my radiator. Any ideas why my PC is having these problems?

bigben2k · 07-05-2002, 12:31 PM

One possibility:
your CPU is so overclocked, that it must be cold before you fire up the comp.

You'd fix that by putting in a delayed relay on the on/off switch. It's a little bit of work.

To confirm that that's the case, restore your CPU speeds to something reasonable, and see if it restarts in the morning.

Wayne Harrow · 07-05-2002, 12:36 PM

Yep i have tried it at 650mhz even though its a 750 and it still wont boot in the morings and even right now once i restet or switch it off i doubt its gonna come back on. But i took it appart yesterday to checkif there was any condensation but there was no condensation but still it would not boot. Ive water profed all the mother baord processor and everything but i still get these problems?

bigben2k · 07-05-2002, 12:40 PM

Why don't you give us all the details of what you've done, condensation wise, and we'll spot the prob for ya!

Wayne Harrow · 07-05-2002, 12:45 PM

Ok cheers bigben2k ive got the water block wrapped in Neoprene and then sprayed with acrylic coating the mtother board socket has Neoprene in the middle and around and it is all waterproffed back and front(not the whole MB just around the socket area) and thats about it im gonna get some more stuff and then redo it but it seems ok so i dont know whats wrong with it.

bigben2k · 07-05-2002, 01:11 PM

It looks like you forgot to cover the socket pins.

The pins get cold too, and accumulate condensation.

The fix is a non-electrical conductive paste (I'll find a name if you're interested). Alternatively, you can use petroleum jelly. Just make sure that you stick it in there real good.

Wayne Harrow · 07-05-2002, 02:21 PM

Oh yea no i forgot to say yea i allready have that in the pins im using vaselene i must have just done a poor jub of insulating the block so im gonna redoo it.

Thanks for all the help

06-27-2002, 12:07 PM	#1
Wayne Harrow Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: UK, Dagenham Posts: 42	Got my tec but im not happy :( I got my 220w tec today but my temps are just terrible i was expecting reasonably bad temps but not this bad at idle its 31 degrees and at load its about 36 degrees. Im only running a duron 750@800 1.9volts i broke my AXP and i have it on a Maze 2 and i have a BIX with a 70cmf fan. The water temp at load are about 50 degrees!! I know thats very high but do you think its purely down to the radiaor or do you think the processor might not be making good contact. Cheers __________________ 226w Tec AthlonXP 1600+ @ 1950Mhz Abit KD7 Crucial 2100 DDR Radeon 8500

06-27-2002, 01:47 PM	#2
jag_e_fattig Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SoCal, formerly Sweden. Posts: 110	whoah! you need to put at 1.9v to oc a duron 50mhz!? maybe thats why your temp is so high, but still i doubt it. make sure the block is clamped down tight and getting good contact __________________ Tearing it up AER - 05/29/87-10/26/03, I'll never forget.

06-27-2002, 02:15 PM	#3
Dix Dogfight Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 128	You need to put a huge tressure on the pelt to get it to work properly. You need to bolt your pelt to the WB with a coldplate. If you run the pelt directly on the CPU you wont get the full effect of the pelt. You need a coldplate to transfer the heat from the small cpu to the larger pelt. good luck __________________ If it ain't broke, fix it. Setup: Dual Duron 1100 \| Voodoo 3 2000 \| Addtronics W8500(WTX) \| Eheim 1250 \| Car radiator \| 2 Innovatech WB \|

06-27-2002, 02:50 PM	#4
Wayne Harrow Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: UK, Dagenham Posts: 42	Yea i have it clamped down well tight i rounded off my alan key doing so. Now im doing duron 750@1050 2v and according to my temp probe its at 23degrees and according to the mb its at 30 degrees so it must be caus eof my very high water temps. If you have any adive id be willing to try it. Cheers __________________ 226w Tec AthlonXP 1600+ @ 1950Mhz Abit KD7 Crucial 2100 DDR Radeon 8500

06-27-2002, 03:40 PM	#5
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Can you measure the voltage going to the pelt? __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

06-27-2002, 04:10 PM	#6
Wayne Harrow Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: UK, Dagenham Posts: 42	Its getting 15v 18amps so it aint that the onyl thing i can think of is the cpu not making proper contact do you agree with this? __________________ 226w Tec AthlonXP 1600+ @ 1950Mhz Abit KD7 Crucial 2100 DDR Radeon 8500

06-27-2002, 04:59 PM	#7
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Ok... tell us more about the system. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

06-27-2002, 05:23 PM	#8
Wayne Harrow Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: UK, Dagenham Posts: 42	Its a Maze 2-1 with a 220w peltier powered by a lowe sps8400 psu with a BIX rad cooled by a 70cmf fan. And it was on an AXP but i think thats dead now so im running it on a duron right now the water temps are at about 50degrees and i have the duron @ defalt 750mhz at the moment at 1.9v and the motherboard is reporting temp as 37 degrees. I know the rad isnt quite up to the job but do you think my temps should be abit better, do you think the coldplate isnt getting decent contact because with out any load the cold plate forsts up and suff so what do you guys think? __________________ 226w Tec AthlonXP 1600+ @ 1950Mhz Abit KD7 Crucial 2100 DDR Radeon 8500

06-30-2002, 05:20 AM	#9
tim-may Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 161	are you using some sort of thermal compound like arctic silver between: the cpu and the cold plate, the cold plate and the pelt, and the pelt and the waterblock? __________________ AMD Althon XP 1700+ JUIHB 0302 @ 2Ghz (air cooled) 10.5 Multiplier X 191 FSB = 2005 Epox 8RDA OCZ PC3500 512mb EL (SYNC CAS2-2-2-4-2) eVGA Ti4200 64mb @ 285/570 (stock air cooling) Antec True550 Antec True430 for 220w pelt

06-30-2002, 05:25 AM	#10
Wayne Harrow Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: UK, Dagenham Posts: 42	Well i mainly sorted my probelm it was down to poor contact and now my bench PSU butoon has broke so im not using the tec for now but i was using AS3 for everything cause i heard that AS2 doesnt work well. __________________ 226w Tec AthlonXP 1600+ @ 1950Mhz Abit KD7 Crucial 2100 DDR Radeon 8500

06-30-2002, 02:59 PM	#11
mobuis Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: michigan Posts: 48	i think it might be the power supply. how many volts is the pelt and how many amps. and how many amps is your power supply and how many volts? cuz normal power supplies won't give enough amps to power a 220 watt pelt

06-30-2002, 04:47 PM	#12
Wayne Harrow Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: UK, Dagenham Posts: 42	No it is a proper bench psu its rated at 15v @40 amps so its well powerfull enough. The probelm is that the on/off button has broke __________________ 226w Tec AthlonXP 1600+ @ 1950Mhz Abit KD7 Crucial 2100 DDR Radeon 8500

06-30-2002, 05:27 PM	#13
Jason-Pro Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Manitowoc, Wisconsin Posts: 217	The reason your temps are high is because your running to many volts into your tec you should run atleast 25 amps and 12V into your TEC more then that is just a waste and cause higher temps. (talking about the voltage line) but the 226w TEC is a 24 Amp tec so you want atleast 24 amps

06-30-2002, 05:30 PM	#14
Wayne Harrow Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: UK, Dagenham Posts: 42	Yea i know i tried other voltages but 15v was the best and i sorted my probelms and it was mainly down to the insulation getting in the way and stopping if from making propper contact. But now the **ing ON/OFF button is **ed so im gonna hav eto RMA it or something. __________________ 226w Tec AthlonXP 1600+ @ 1950Mhz Abit KD7 Crucial 2100 DDR Radeon 8500

06-30-2002, 06:12 PM	#15
Jason-Pro Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Manitowoc, Wisconsin Posts: 217	errr 15V shouldnt be the best. if it is you got a Crap pelt or something. have you ever done watercooling or anything before?

07-01-2002, 05:43 AM	#16
Wayne Harrow Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: UK, Dagenham Posts: 42	Why are you talking to me like im some sort of retard, And obyiously i have been watercooling for ages now so i decided to get a tec, It is not crap it is in my opinion one of the best. And say what you want to but the fact and the matter is 15v worked better for me than any other voltage. I DO know what im doing and it was simply down to poor clamping and insulation which you would have found out if you read my other posts. Wayne __________________ 226w Tec AthlonXP 1600+ @ 1950Mhz Abit KD7 Crucial 2100 DDR Radeon 8500

07-04-2002, 12:40 PM	#17
Wayne Harrow Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: UK, Dagenham Posts: 42	Sorted it now im at 15 degrees load at 1gig __________________ 226w Tec AthlonXP 1600+ @ 1950Mhz Abit KD7 Crucial 2100 DDR Radeon 8500

07-05-2002, 07:26 AM	#18
JimS Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Connecticut Posts: 140	Nice job Wayne. Any problems with condensation?

07-05-2002, 12:00 PM	#19
Wayne Harrow Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: UK, Dagenham Posts: 42	Cheers, Yep im having alot of problems with condensation but i think ive sorted most of them now but still when ever i restart my PC it will not restart and every morning my computer will not boot i have to take it appart and redo all the processor and stuff so im still trying to find out what the problem is. But the temps seem pretty good considering my radiator. Any ideas why my PC is having these problems? __________________ 226w Tec AthlonXP 1600+ @ 1950Mhz Abit KD7 Crucial 2100 DDR Radeon 8500

07-05-2002, 12:31 PM	#20
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	One possibility: your CPU is so overclocked, that it must be cold before you fire up the comp. You'd fix that by putting in a delayed relay on the on/off switch. It's a little bit of work. To confirm that that's the case, restore your CPU speeds to something reasonable, and see if it restarts in the morning. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-05-2002, 12:36 PM	#21
Wayne Harrow Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: UK, Dagenham Posts: 42	Yep i have tried it at 650mhz even though its a 750 and it still wont boot in the morings and even right now once i restet or switch it off i doubt its gonna come back on. But i took it appart yesterday to checkif there was any condensation but there was no condensation but still it would not boot. Ive water profed all the mother baord processor and everything but i still get these problems? __________________ 226w Tec AthlonXP 1600+ @ 1950Mhz Abit KD7 Crucial 2100 DDR Radeon 8500

07-05-2002, 12:40 PM	#22
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Why don't you give us all the details of what you've done, condensation wise, and we'll spot the prob for ya! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-05-2002, 12:45 PM	#23
Wayne Harrow Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: UK, Dagenham Posts: 42	Ok cheers bigben2k ive got the water block wrapped in Neoprene and then sprayed with acrylic coating the mtother board socket has Neoprene in the middle and around and it is all waterproffed back and front(not the whole MB just around the socket area) and thats about it im gonna get some more stuff and then redo it but it seems ok so i dont know whats wrong with it. __________________ 226w Tec AthlonXP 1600+ @ 1950Mhz Abit KD7 Crucial 2100 DDR Radeon 8500

07-05-2002, 01:11 PM	#24
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	It looks like you forgot to cover the socket pins. The pins get cold too, and accumulate condensation. The fix is a non-electrical conductive paste (I'll find a name if you're interested). Alternatively, you can use petroleum jelly. Just make sure that you stick it in there real good. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-05-2002, 02:21 PM	#25
Wayne Harrow Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: UK, Dagenham Posts: 42	Oh yea no i forgot to say yea i allready have that in the pins im using vaselene i must have just done a poor jub of insulating the block so im gonna redoo it. Thanks for all the help __________________ 226w Tec AthlonXP 1600+ @ 1950Mhz Abit KD7 Crucial 2100 DDR Radeon 8500

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