"Nazca" - Waterblock Concept - Page 6

ricecrispi · 08-07-2006, 06:48 PM

Might perform the same but is less restrictive.

Captain Slug · 08-09-2006, 06:55 AM

After talking to bigben2k I asked Jaydee if he would be willing to test a second top design and he said it wouldn't be a problem. So today I'm making a top without nozzles (just a widening round inlet) and mailing it to him so I can see how it will affect the performance and flowrate.

CYberDruid · 08-09-2006, 09:37 PM

Awesome work Cap'n...nothing wrong with intuition IMO...math has it's place, but true art expands past the purely technical...I like those compression cuffs too!

Thanks for the trip through Block Land...

CyberDruid

pH(x) · 08-10-2006, 01:15 AM

Your numbers should be 13 not 12.

In terms of 52 -- through deviation of our planet's axis, Earth no longer moves through the 12 constellations as it has for thousands of years before. Or as one has grown to expect it to, now we introduce a 13th constellation in the sky. That new introduction for earth would be Ophiuchus - The Serpent Bearer, our time no longer is measured by a number 12.

So, Captain Slug -- try a new approach!

In either way; I am one to wish you success

edit: Here's some astrological clarification; http://www.griffithobs.org/SkyOphiuchus.html

Captain Slug · 08-10-2006, 02:03 PM

The new top is made and in the mail on its way to jaydee for testing.

modster · 08-11-2006, 08:31 PM

very nice work! umm... i am planning to make a block too. I am wondering how did you find an o-ring with exact size?

Captain Slug · 08-11-2006, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by modster

very nice work! umm... i am planning to make a block too. I am wondering how did you find an o-ring with exact size?

http://www.mcmaster.com has millions of sizes and they sell everything you could possibly need for machining projects.

I recommend using 3/16" or 1/8" diameter o-rings. I used 1/16th and it can be a bit unfriendly at times.

jaydee · 08-11-2006, 11:33 PM

I tested the Ice Floe block and will add it to the chart tomorrow.

On the O ring subject I used to buy 10 feet of 1/8" Oring material and make my own. Just use a razor blade to make a smooth cut and super glue to connect the ends.

jaydee · 08-12-2006, 01:00 PM

Ice Floe added. I switched to bar graph as the line chart was getting hard to read.

jaydee · 08-13-2006, 12:24 PM

Got the revised top. I ran out of TIM and going out to buy more. With any luck I can find the same stuff I was using. If not I will have to do some re-testing as the TIM material can throw results off by several degrees.

EDIT: Managed to get the same TIM material and will re-run a previous block to verify the mixture is the same.

jaydee · 08-13-2006, 06:36 PM

Well new TIM material is different enough to have to re-test the blocks. Got the IceFloe on now and then will run the Nazca with both tops followed by the other blocks. Will try to do the Nazca with new top tonight and the old top tomorrow night. I am gone most of next weekend so will try to get what I can done after work this week.

Captain Slug · 08-13-2006, 07:32 PM

You diligence is MUCH appreciated.

jaydee · 08-14-2006, 07:11 PM

Had some issues with the new top. Seems to be leaking out the glued lexan pieces I am pretty sure. Water was squirting out the screw hole. I siliconed the base and it was still leaking so I siliconed the screw holes and was able to stop the leak long enough to test it.

I got .5LMP more flow through the block over the other top. I am setting up the original top now and will run it tonight. Once I get it done I will post the results of the 2 tops against the IceFloe. Might not be until tomorrow night before I get it posted.

Captain Slug · 08-14-2006, 07:44 PM

Odd. Must not have been an even solvent cure around one side of the top. No matter though since I'll be remaking that style top anyways if it performs and better.

jaydee · 08-14-2006, 11:01 PM

There is a lot of air gaps in them both. The original top went together just fine and is water tight with just the oring so I am pretty sure it is not the base.

Also the jet top is better anyway. Pretty sure I know why but will get in to that later.

ricecrispi · 08-15-2006, 02:18 AM

Interesting he didn't get much improvement on flowrates. Is the inlet hole not wide enough to feed all the channels?

BTW Thanks Jaydee for the testing.

BGP Spook · 08-15-2006, 11:39 AM

Yes, thank you Jadee for the testing.

migueld · 08-15-2006, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Slug

http://www.mcmaster.com has millions of sizes and they sell everything you could possibly need for machining projects.

I recommend using 3/16" or 1/8" diameter o-rings. I used 1/16th and it can be a bit unfriendly at times.

Hey awesome link man, thanks for posting that. It's the fittings heaven

jaydee · 08-15-2006, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricecrispi

Interesting he didn't get much improvement on flowrates. Is the inlet hole not wide enough to feed all the channels?

BTW Thanks Jaydee for the testing.

Yeah it feeds all the channels. There is a lot of holes in the jet piece though. Also I noticed watching the bubbles bleed through the block I think there is more water going directly to the outlet of the block. There is defiantly water going through all the channels but it does favor going direct to the outlet. I am think making smaller channels on the outlet side might help even the flow out.

IMO the jets help keep the water flowing at the bottom of channels. Without the jets to help push water down the water evenly flows through the full height of the channels were most of the heat is at the bottom of the channels. The jets keep the water pressure more evenly pushed against the base of the block.

I will get the results posted later this evening.

jaydee · 08-15-2006, 08:45 PM

Results. Will add more blocks as I test them.

Captain Slug · 08-15-2006, 09:25 PM

Very interesting. I may make a "jet" nozzle array plate for Krakatoa to see if it performs better than the traditional slit nozzle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricecrispi

Is the inlet hole not wide enough to feed all the channels?

On both tops the inlet widens from 1/2" to 7/8" so that the flow can reach every channel in the base.

ricecrispi · 08-15-2006, 11:56 PM

Maybe a triple barb design might balance the flow better or combining the outlets channels into a single large opening on the base.

Capt. Slug good work

Captain Slug · 08-17-2006, 07:47 AM

Any revisions to the base would either be permanent, or would require that I make a new one with CNC. I'm not sure if I want to do either at present.

08-07-2006, 06:48 PM	#126
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Might perform the same but is less restrictive.

08-09-2006, 06:55 AM	#127
Captain Slug Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: VA Posts: 129	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept After talking to bigben2k I asked Jaydee if he would be willing to test a second top design and he said it wouldn't be a problem. So today I'm making a top without nozzles (just a widening round inlet) and mailing it to him so I can see how it will affect the performance and flowrate.

08-09-2006, 09:37 PM	#128
CYberDruid Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Blue Ridge Mountains Posts: 44	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Awesome work Cap'n...nothing wrong with intuition IMO...math has it's place, but true art expands past the purely technical...I like those compression cuffs too! Thanks for the trip through Block Land... CyberDruid __________________ Electronics are prefilled with factory smoke--if the smoke gets out they stop working--So Don't Let The Smoke Out!

08-10-2006, 01:15 AM	#129
pH(x) Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 15	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Your numbers should be 13 not 12. In terms of 52 -- through deviation of our planet's axis, Earth no longer moves through the 12 constellations as it has for thousands of years before. Or as one has grown to expect it to, now we introduce a 13th constellation in the sky. That new introduction for earth would be Ophiuchus - The Serpent Bearer, our time no longer is measured by a number 12. So, Captain Slug -- try a new approach! In either way; I am one to wish you success edit: Here's some astrological clarification; http://www.griffithobs.org/SkyOphiuchus.html Last edited by pH(x); 08-10-2006 at 01:28 AM.

08-10-2006, 02:03 PM	#130
Captain Slug Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: VA Posts: 129	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept The new top is made and in the mail on its way to jaydee for testing.

08-11-2006, 08:31 PM	#131
modster Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: new york Posts: 21	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept very nice work! umm... i am planning to make a block too. I am wondering how did you find an o-ring with exact size?

08-11-2006, 11:33 PM	#133
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept I tested the Ice Floe block and will add it to the chart tomorrow. On the O ring subject I used to buy 10 feet of 1/8" Oring material and make my own. Just use a razor blade to make a smooth cut and super glue to connect the ends.

08-13-2006, 12:24 PM	#135
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Got the revised top. I ran out of TIM and going out to buy more. With any luck I can find the same stuff I was using. If not I will have to do some re-testing as the TIM material can throw results off by several degrees. EDIT: Managed to get the same TIM material and will re-run a previous block to verify the mixture is the same. Last edited by jaydee; 08-13-2006 at 02:04 PM.

08-13-2006, 06:36 PM	#136
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Well new TIM material is different enough to have to re-test the blocks. Got the IceFloe on now and then will run the Nazca with both tops followed by the other blocks. Will try to do the Nazca with new top tonight and the old top tomorrow night. I am gone most of next weekend so will try to get what I can done after work this week.

08-13-2006, 07:32 PM	#137
Captain Slug Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: VA Posts: 129	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept You diligence is MUCH appreciated.

08-14-2006, 07:11 PM	#138
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Had some issues with the new top. Seems to be leaking out the glued lexan pieces I am pretty sure. Water was squirting out the screw hole. I siliconed the base and it was still leaking so I siliconed the screw holes and was able to stop the leak long enough to test it. I got .5LMP more flow through the block over the other top. I am setting up the original top now and will run it tonight. Once I get it done I will post the results of the 2 tops against the IceFloe. Might not be until tomorrow night before I get it posted.

08-14-2006, 07:44 PM	#139
Captain Slug Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: VA Posts: 129	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Odd. Must not have been an even solvent cure around one side of the top. No matter though since I'll be remaking that style top anyways if it performs and better.

08-14-2006, 11:01 PM	#140
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept There is a lot of air gaps in them both. The original top went together just fine and is water tight with just the oring so I am pretty sure it is not the base. Also the jet top is better anyway. Pretty sure I know why but will get in to that later.

08-15-2006, 02:18 AM	#141
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Interesting he didn't get much improvement on flowrates. Is the inlet hole not wide enough to feed all the channels? BTW Thanks Jaydee for the testing.

08-15-2006, 11:39 AM	#142
BGP Spook Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 153	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Yes, thank you Jadee for the testing. __________________ I can't spell, but I am working on it.

08-15-2006, 11:56 PM	#147
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Maybe a triple barb design might balance the flow better or combining the outlets channels into a single large opening on the base. Capt. Slug good work

08-17-2006, 07:47 AM	#148
Captain Slug Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: VA Posts: 129	Re: "Nazca" - Waterblock Concept Any revisions to the base would either be permanent, or would require that I make a new one with CNC. I'm not sure if I want to do either at present.

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