more waterblocks!! and inovative designs

lukasz70 · 02-20-2003, 12:41 PM

found a site with a lot of waterblock pics,
there are a few interesting designs on the site like the one below

here is the link to the site, go through all the links, http://www.insanewb.com/waterblock/waterblock.htm

hara · 02-20-2003, 01:42 PM

That doesn't seem really good.

cybrsamurai · 02-20-2003, 01:55 PM

That block looks like it would probably perform fairly well as long as there is enough surface to actually transfer the heat into the water. Im curious to know how it actually performs. Anyone know?

bigben2k · 02-20-2003, 02:22 PM

It's a minimalistic design.

The problem with it is that it relies on the core to remain straight, and the core wasn't designed to do that. A quick tug on the hose could crush the core.

Axle · 02-20-2003, 02:35 PM

GOODNESS those blocks are shiny. Even shinyier(?) than BladeRunner's!!!

And I like that design. Like a lot. I realize it poses a problem for long term use & the possibility of dislodging, but it's perfect. The chip don't get hot, so don't cool it already!! Only the core. Perfect.

pippin88 · 02-20-2003, 02:38 PM

What would make that design good would be if it were a cap style of thing. That sat down around the core. So that it was just a few microns off touching the ceramic or organic packagin.

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cybrsamurai · 02-20-2003, 04:57 PM

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The problem with it is that it relies on the core to remain straight, and the core wasn't designed to do that. A quick tug on the hose could crush the core.

True enough. Maybe it would work if it were mechanically attached to the retaining clip for stabilization. Seems there would be very little flow restriction, which if my personal experience in WC setups means anything than it would function well as long as there was enough interior surface area for the heat to transfer effeciently. Although it would die really fast under a pump failure or leak.

hydrogen18 · 02-20-2003, 05:08 PM

lol thats definetly an interesting design. I think you would want REALLY high flow rates(of course, there isnt much resistance present)for it to work well.

BrianW · 02-20-2003, 08:31 PM

That lil cooler up top reminds me of an old design. Was being sold by this guy Chip. He had some good blocks, but messed alot of ppl over, including me. I am trying to remember the site.....Oh ya I remember: http://overclock-watercool.com . The site does'nt work anymore.....

Does no one remember? Chip... The silver blocks and stuff....

Anyway most of those blocks are a tired design, and cheap copies of other designs.

Brian W

bigben2k · 02-20-2003, 09:11 PM

A dual edge sword...

If you rely on the clip to keep it straight, then it would probably end up being off, even a little bit, and just enough to affect the performance. A couple of microns would do it.

The block really needs to rest on the pads, there's no way around it, but it doesn't need to be larger than the pads...

jaydee · 02-21-2003, 02:05 PM

Anyone remember the UnaBlock. I belive it's creator is around here somewhere?

http://becooling.safeshopper.com/6/117.htm?61

TerraMex · 02-21-2003, 03:13 PM

I was thinking (i do that sometimes

) , and looking at that "minimalistic block" , i came up with a question.

Why not use a small copper plate , like a cold plate, and maintain the rest of the small block? To keep it stable. But one piece only, or welded but with a square hole in it.

Here's my paint endeavour:

With enough thickness , wouldnt it make it stable?.

PS: Im not aiming for the "better temps" thing

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bigben2k · 02-21-2003, 05:10 PM

That would help, yes.

There are many options: the block (in the first post) is about as big as a block really needs to be (well, maybe a little bigger), so the rest of it is for structural integrity, so even a plastic could be used, given that it doesn't flex too much.

This extension only needs to contact the pads, so even an "X" should work.

Arcturius · 02-21-2003, 06:57 PM

I'm not quite sure what to make of his finishes. Some of the blocks do look great, but a lot of the other images on the site show blocks that appear to have been cut in a single pass, while feeding waaaaaay too fast.

I do like his idea for an HDD cooler, though: turn it into a 5 1/4" bay adapter, and cool through the (typically) flat sides.

Then again, since my primary heat producers (2x IBM 36Z15s) have nice, flat tops, I'm planning on going the standard route.

redleader · 02-21-2003, 08:56 PM

Make the copper full sized so that it hits the 4 pads and the 4 bolt holes like a normal block. Theres no reason a block like that has to be made of a tiny piece, just so long as its a straight through channel.

bigben2k · 02-21-2003, 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by redleader
Make the copper full sized so that it hits the 4 pads and the 4 bolt holes like a normal block. Theres no reason a block like that has to be made of a tiny piece, just so long as its a straight through channel.

There's no reason a block needs to be much bigger either

It doesn't have to be straight through either: a Cathar style block that size could work extremely well.

02-20-2003, 12:41 PM	#1
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02-20-2003, 01:42 PM	#2
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02-20-2003, 01:55 PM	#3
cybrsamurai Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ashland Posts: 296	That block looks like it would probably perform fairly well as long as there is enough surface to actually transfer the heat into the water. Im curious to know how it actually performs. Anyone know? __________________ Air cooled my ass.

02-20-2003, 02:22 PM	#4
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	It's a minimalistic design. The problem with it is that it relies on the core to remain straight, and the core wasn't designed to do that. A quick tug on the hose could crush the core. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

02-20-2003, 02:35 PM	#5
Axle Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Wind Gap, PA Posts: 112	GOODNESS those blocks are shiny. Even shinyier(?) than BladeRunner's!!! And I like that design. Like a lot. I realize it poses a problem for long term use & the possibility of dislodging, but it's perfect. The chip don't get hot, so don't cool it already!! Only the core. Perfect. __________________ "Once we've got those bugs flattened out, we'll be running on flat bugs"

02-20-2003, 02:38 PM	#6
pippin88 Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 285	What would make that design good would be if it were a cap style of thing. That sat down around the core. So that it was just a few microns off touching the ceramic or organic packagin. _______ \|!!water!!\| \|!!water!!\| \|______\| \| \|core\| \|

02-20-2003, 05:08 PM	#8
hydrogen18 Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 248	lol thats definetly an interesting design. I think you would want REALLY high flow rates(of course, there isnt much resistance present)for it to work well.

02-20-2003, 08:31 PM	#9
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	That lil cooler up top reminds me of an old design. Was being sold by this guy Chip. He had some good blocks, but messed alot of ppl over, including me. I am trying to remember the site.....Oh ya I remember: http://overclock-watercool.com . The site does'nt work anymore..... Does no one remember? Chip... The silver blocks and stuff.... Anyway most of those blocks are a tired design, and cheap copies of other designs. Brian W __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg) Last edited by BrianW; 02-20-2003 at 08:36 PM.*

02-20-2003, 09:11 PM	#10
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	A dual edge sword... If you rely on the clip to keep it straight, then it would probably end up being off, even a little bit, and just enough to affect the performance. A couple of microns would do it. The block really needs to rest on the pads, there's no way around it, but it doesn't need to be larger than the pads... __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

02-21-2003, 02:05 PM	#11
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Anyone remember the UnaBlock. I belive it's creator is around here somewhere? http://becooling.safeshopper.com/6/117.htm?61 Last edited by jaydee116; 02-21-2003 at 02:29 PM.

02-21-2003, 03:13 PM	#12
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	I was thinking (i do that sometimes ) , and looking at that "minimalistic block" , i came up with a question. Why not use a small copper plate , like a cold plate, and maintain the rest of the small block? To keep it stable. But one piece only, or welded but with a square hole in it. Here's my paint endeavour: With enough thickness , wouldnt it make it stable?. PS: Im not aiming for the "better temps" thing . __________________ "we need more cowbell."

02-21-2003, 05:10 PM	#13
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	That would help, yes. There are many options: the block (in the first post) is about as big as a block really needs to be (well, maybe a little bigger), so the rest of it is for structural integrity, so even a plastic could be used, given that it doesn't flex too much. This extension only needs to contact the pads, so even an "X" should work. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

02-21-2003, 06:57 PM	#14
Arcturius Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin Posts: 294	I'm not quite sure what to make of his finishes. Some of the blocks do look great, but a lot of the other images on the site show blocks that appear to have been cut in a single pass, while feeding waaaaaay too fast. I do like his idea for an HDD cooler, though: turn it into a 5 1/4" bay adapter, and cool through the (typically) flat sides. Then again, since my primary heat producers (2x IBM 36Z15s) have nice, flat tops, I'm planning on going the standard route.

02-21-2003, 08:56 PM	#15
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	Make the copper full sized so that it hits the 4 pads and the 4 bolt holes like a normal block. Theres no reason a block like that has to be made of a tiny piece, just so long as its a straight through channel.

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