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Unread 08-12-2009, 12:31 PM   #1
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Default Snap Server 4200 replaced drives how having issues

Hello, I just replaced teh 4 146 gb drives on my snap server with 4 500 gb drives. I set them up RAID 5, with all of the same settings that were there before.

However, now, it seems very....sluggish. I'm thinking that I may have caused the problem since I messed up witch of the old drives to pull and replace with the new drives first. I believe I pulled 2 and 4 instead of 1 and 3. Does that make sense? Anway, it took about one week to resync. Also, when I checked the logs, I was getting weird messages.

So I reset everything and reimaged the server. This time, it took about 3 days to resync (1.31TB). Seemed better to me. It is working a little better, but I'm still getting these weird messages from the log.

Also, and I don't know if this matters, the lights on the two drives (on the side that doesn't have the power button) are lit up almost constantly during transfer, and the other two don't seem to be lit up even half as much or as intensely.

Anywho, here is what I pulled off of the logs:

ide0: reset: success kernel Aug 12 13:24:45
hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 13:24:45
hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 13:24:44
ide0: reset: success kernel Aug 12 13:23:28
hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 13:23:28
hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 13:23:27
ide0: reset: success kernel Aug 12 13:22:52
hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 13:22:51
hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 13:22:51
an HUP signal has been sent to smbd and nmbd has been restarted sysedit Aug 12 13:18:08
nice startup succeeded smbd Aug 12 13:18:07
nmbd startup succeeded smbd Aug 12 13:18:06
smbd startup succeeded smbd Aug 12 13:18:06
ide0: reset: success kernel Aug 12 13:15:53
hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 13:15:52
hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 13:15:52
ide0: reset: success kernel Aug 12 13:14:51
hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 13:14:51
hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 13:14:49
ide0: reset: success kernel Aug 12 13:13:50
hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 13:13:50
hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 13:13:50
ide0: reset: success kernel Aug 12 13:13:09
hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 13:13:08
hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 13:13:08
ide1: reset: success kernel Aug 12 13:12:26
hdc: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 13:12:26
hdc: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 13:12:26
ide0: reset: success kernel Aug 12 13:10:29
hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 13:10:29
hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 13:10:29
ide0: reset: success kernel Aug 12 13:10:11
hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 13:10:11
hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 13:10:09
ide0: reset: success kernel Aug 12 13:08:58
hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 13:08:58
hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 13:08:57
ide0: reset: success kernel Aug 12 13:07:36
hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 13:07:35
hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 13:07:35
ide0: reset: success kernel Aug 12 13:03:51
hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 13:03:50
hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 13:03:50
ide0: reset: success kernel Aug 12 13:02:32
hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 13:02:32
hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 13:02:32
ide0: reset: success kernel Aug 12 13:02:29
hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 13:02:28
hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 13:02:28
ide0: reset: success kernel Aug 12 12:57:47
hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 12:57:46
hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 12:57:46
ide1: reset: success kernel Aug 12 12:56:11
hdc: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 12:56:11
hdc: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 12:56:11
ide0: reset: success kernel Aug 12 12:56:08
hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 12 12:56:08
hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 12 12:56:08
ide0: reset: success
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Unread 08-12-2009, 12:32 PM   #2
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Oh, and I'm using Guardian OS 3.1

Wish the boss would spring for the update, but isn't going to happen.
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Unread 08-13-2009, 02:09 PM   #3
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Default Re: Snap Server 4200 replaced drives how having issues

Sounds like you may be low on ram. GOS needs a min of 512, recommend 1-2gig.

I would suggest not to use re-imaging on new sets. The parmaters are not the same between HD's.

My course of action would be to delete the Raid5 array.
Remover all HD's except drive 1.
Do a quick erase of the removed HD's
Launch the recovery console, and do a "clean install"
Once the clean install has been preformed, reboot.
Then check to see if the HD is identified correctly. If not you may have to update the GOS.
If good hot swap drive 2, wait for OS transfer, check to see if it is identified correctly.
If good, go ahead and hot swap drives 3 and 4.

With all HD showing proper capacity, go ahead and build your raid5

I do not remember what size restrictions are on GOS v3.1


Have you looked at the BIOS?
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Unread 08-17-2009, 09:49 AM   #4
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Bah, OK, did all of that and i'm still getting the same thing. I read that I can put windows on this....I'll search around for the thread....
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Unread 08-17-2009, 11:31 AM   #5
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Default Re: Snap Server 4200 replaced drives how having issues

David, he might have a bad drive in the mix somewhere.


People pay attention here.

I have put larger (500GB and 750GB) hard disks in over 100 Guardian OS Snap 4200, 4500 units (and 4400 and 15000 as well). Not once has it failed.

These units do not have a problem with larger drives at all! The only current limit is the size of available PATA drives.

If you have problems doing this, you have a hardware problem (bad unit, not enough memory, bad drives, etc) or you're not doing it right. PERIOD!

DO NOT put out BAD INFORMATION to others saying it doesn't work or can't be done etc...
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Unread 08-17-2009, 11:53 AM   #6
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I didn't think I posted anything negative about the unit, sorry if I did.

I really want it to work. When I had the smaller drives in it, it worked like a charm.

I've checked the devices and it says they are all ok.

I'm going to take all of them out except number 1, pug them into my desktop, format them, and then I'm going to follow blues instruction.

Also, it has 256mb of memory in it. Not enough I take it?
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Unread 08-17-2009, 12:02 PM   #7
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Oh, and I have the jumpers on CS. Is this correct? That is what they were on with the 160's.
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Unread 08-17-2009, 02:49 PM   #8
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OK, I did what blue said, and with one drive, everything was fine, nice and quick. Then, I installed drive 2, hot. Everything still seemed fine, nice and quick, no errors, et cetera.

Put in third drive, everythig is sloooooow. The light on the first drive is lit up solid.

Also, it says it has 250mb of ram. I has a 512 stick laying around, so I put it in there and it wasn't recocnized. So I took out the 256 stick and put the 512 stick in it's place. The server didn't start at all. Same name memory. The only difference was the speed (333 vs 233) and it wasn't ECC.

So I'm stuck at 250mb of ram.
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Unread 08-17-2009, 02:52 PM   #9
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OK, something weird just happened. I went to the devices tab and the third hard drive said is was still part of the array that I had before.

This is impossible. I took all but one of the drives out (the one I left in was posistion 1) and one by one, put them in my windows box, went to disk management, and deleted everything on them.

Does the servers know it was part of the old array via the serial number of the drive or something? But how is that possible, I did a clean install.

This is really getting on my nerves. This farker worked flawlessly with the old drives.
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Unread 08-17-2009, 03:06 PM   #10
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That data is stored across all HD's. The reason a clean install must be done. Remove all arrays and uses, share. Disable AV and PowerVault if you using it. reboot into recovery console and do a clean install againl.

It almost sounds like that drive is flakey if you did a format.
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Listen to Phoenix32,

He know what he's talking about. I have not done any in several years now...
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Unread 08-17-2009, 03:16 PM   #12
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That data is stored across all HD's. The reason a clean install must be done. Remove all arrays and uses, share. Disable AV and PowerVault if you using it. reboot into recovery console and do a clean install againl.

It almost sounds like that drive is flakey if you did a format.
OK, I went back to devices and deleted the vol. It took about 3 more minutes, but now it's running speedy again, and all three drives show up as unassigned.

I'm going to add the 4th now.


As far as everything else, I did exactly what you said. Delete three drives, clean install on the one drive in the server.
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Unread 08-17-2009, 03:30 PM   #13
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OK, 4th drive in, everything is running fast and smooth.

I checked the logs, nothing showed up. So I just created a RAID 5 and as I'm, going through the vol creation, it seems like it's going a bit slow.

The last three times I did this it took anywhere from 4 days to 6 to resync.

I didn't write anything to the server until it was done.

Problem is, I don't want to wait that long to see if this is going to work. Would it be OK to write something to the drives while they are in resync? I want to see if those errors show up in the log..
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Unread 08-17-2009, 03:49 PM   #14
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OK, WTF! I just wrote something to is real quick and it's still giving me the error!!


Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem: lvm(58,0) kernel Aug 17 16:35:03
XFS mounting filesystem lvm(58,0) kernel Aug 17 16:35:01
XFS: extended permissions ON kernel Aug 17 16:35:01
ide1: reset: success kernel Aug 17 16:34:30
hdc: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 17 16:34:30
hdc: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 17 16:34:30
ide1: reset: success kernel Aug 17 16:34:22
hdc: no DRQ after issuing WRITE kernel Aug 17 16:34:22

hdc: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } kernel Aug 17 16:34:22
md: recovery thread finished ...
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Don't upgrade the drives on these things. That's all I have to say.
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OK, So If I put one drive in, and only one drive, I can transfer 14 gigs in about 33 minutes. Also, my network utilization is aroun 75 percent.

If I put another drive in, and try to do the same thing to that drive, it says it'll take 222 minutes with the network utilization around 9 to 20 percent.

The funny part is that not only does the second drive go slow, if I try to do the same thing to the first drive, which was fast, it is now just as slow as the second drive.

Can anyone tell me how to get into the bios and how to disable the watchdog thingy?

Thanks.
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Unread 08-18-2009, 02:35 PM   #17
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Some 500 Gig drives did not work ..

I watched this problem weeks ago.

There are some drives incompatible with the Snap Server 4200 and 4500 IDE Controller.
Which drives do you have?

Snap Server 4200 do not work with IDE drives lager than 500 Gig.

Snap Server 4500 work with IBM Deskstar 7K500, HDS725050KLAT80, HDT725050VLAT80, Deskstar 7K500, ST3500630A 500GB, ST3500630A, ST3500830ACE, Hitachi HDP725032GLAT80, ST3750840A (750 gig), HCP725050GLAT80, Hitachi 7K500
and I think it doesnt work with two wd drives.

Which drives do you have tried?
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Its me again.

I think you have problems with the Western Digital drive WD5000AAKB in your Snap Server 4200?
This reminds me to the same curiosity as you discribed. At this time I took out the drives into a Snap Server 4400 and everything is working well.

The Snap Server 4200/4500 are not compatible with WD5000AAKB. Unbelievably but real.
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Its me again.

I think you have problems with the Western Digital drive WD5000AAKB in your Snap Server 4200?
This reminds me to the same curiosity as you discribed. At this time I took out the drives into a Snap Server 4400 and everything is working well.

The Snap Server 4200/4500 are not compatible with WD5000AAKB. Unbelievably but real.
Shoot. Yeah, those are the ones I have. It doesn't make sense though.....two of them are in and working.....
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Don't upgrade the drives on these things. That's all I have to say.
LOL (some people just don't listen)


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Some 500 Gig drives did not work ..
WRONG!


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There are some drives incompatible with the Snap Server 4200 and 4500 IDE Controller.
WRONG!


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Snap Server 4200 do not work with IDE drives lager than 500 Gig.
VERY WRONG!


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The Snap Server 4200/4500 are not compatible with WD5000AAKB. Unbelievably but real.
Funny, they work fine in the 4500's I used them in. W-R-O-N-G AGAIN!


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People pay attention here.

I have put larger (500GB and 750GB) hard disks in over 100 Guardian OS Snap 4200, 4500 units (and 4400 and 15000 as well). Not once has it failed.

These units do not have a problem with larger drives at all! The only current limit is the size of available PATA drives.

If you have problems doing this, you have a hardware problem (bad unit, not enough memory, bad drives, etc) or you're not doing it right. PERIOD!

DO NOT put out BAD INFORMATION to others saying it doesn't work or can't be done etc...

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Listen to Phoenix32

No, No, let's not listen to a real genuine hardware R&D engineering tech. Let's just assume because we don't know what we are doing it can't be done. Yeah, that makes sense.
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LOL (some people just don't listen)




WRONG!




WRONG!




VERY WRONG!




Funny, they work fine in the 4500's I used them in. W-R-O-N-G AGAIN!








No, No, let's not listen to a real genuine hardware R&D engineering tech. Let's just assume because we don't know what we are doing it can't be done. Yeah, that makes sense.
Alright bud, listen up and listen good. If you don't have any information that is going to help me, stay out of this thread.

Some reading around this thread leads me to believe you know what you're talking about. After a couple of posts in thread, you sound like an ass.

I've tried everything stated in this thread, in the FAQ, in this forum (that I could find via search), and so far, none of it's worked.

I've gone into the bios and it says everything is fine. Guess what, IT AIN'T.

And what do you do? Come in here and talk shit. I CAN USE CAPS LOCK TOO!!!!!111!!!!eleventy!!11!
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LOL (some people just don't listen)




WRONG!




WRONG!




VERY WRONG!




Funny, they work fine in the 4500's I used them in. W-R-O-N-G AGAIN!








No, No, let's not listen to a real genuine hardware R&D engineering tech. Let's just assume because we don't know what we are doing it can't be done. Yeah, that makes sense.



OH, and I know what the F I'm doing. I play the role of every single IT position in a LARGE medical group and I have over 7 years experience. I've done everything from server builds and installs to PC builds/installs to networking to planning/ordering/dealing with sales drones/anything you can think of.

I've built mutiple home gaming PC's, overclocked them, water cooled them....blah blah blah.....

I'm not an F'ing noob.

And don't tell me what to say and to whom. Guess what, if I'm having issues with something I'm sure as hell going to say it. Thats how things work. Crappy products get crappy reviews.

If I would have put these drives in and everything worked nice, then I would be singing it's praises. Since it's been nothing but a whole lot of FAIL, I will dissuade everyone I can from getting one.......UNLESS........unless it's something I'm doing wrong. I'm a grown up, I can admit when I'm wrong.

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Who died and made you a moderator to tell me what message threads I can and can't post in?

Maybe, just maybe, I act like and ass to idiots who put out BAD information to others who won't know any better? Could be, never know.

Caps, Underlines, Bolds, Italics, and even letter sizing are used on forums for different types of emphasis on specific portions of a text body. Geech, do I have to tell you everything?


Now let us get down to the real meat of your message.

Who told you I felt the need to teach you how to fix your problem or what your problem is? Just because I have the knowledge of what's wrong does not mean I have to share it with you. Which for the record, I do know, and don't feel the need to share, for my own personal reasons.

BUT! As a long time member of this forum, who has helped more people here than you can imagine, I DO FEEL THE NEED to prevent morons like yourself and the other idiot from putting out bull-crap information to others who may not know better and are trying to learn, not just get a hand out fix.

You want it fixed? Pay me... Otherwise, deal with it or figure it out yourself. But I will be sure to kill bad information when I see it. Loudly, and clearly.


Was that clear enough for even you to understand?
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OH, and I know what the F I'm doing. I play the role of every single IT position in a LARGE medical group and I have over 7 years experience. I've done everything from server builds and installs to PC builds/installs to networking to planning/ordering/dealing with sales drones/anything you can think of.

I've built mutiple home gaming PC's, overclocked them, water cooled them....blah blah blah.....

I'm not an F'ing noob.

And to be quite honest, any company that makes a device this annoying to deal with can't be all that great.....

In my experience, being an IT guy does not mean you know what you are doing. But since you want to compare notes. I am a genuine R&D Electronics Engineering Technician with over 10 years of formal education and 30 years field experience. For the record, I never called you a noob, but in this case you do not know what you are talking about and are putting out bad information.
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Who died and made you a moderator to tell me what message threads I can and can't post in?

Maybe, just maybe, I act like and ass to idiots who put out BAD information to others who won't know any better? Could be, never know.

Caps, Underlines, Bolds, Italics, and even letter sizing are used on forums for different types of emphasis on specific portions of a text body. Geech, do I have to tell you everything?


Now let us get down to the real meat of your message.

Who told you I felt the need to teach you how to fix your problem or what your problem is? Just because I have the knowledge of what's wrong does not mean I have to share it with you. Which for the record, I do know, and don't feel the need to share, for my own personal reasons.

BUT! As a long time member of this forum, who has helped more people here than you can imagine, I DO FEEL THE NEED to prevent morons like yourself and the other idiot from putting out bull-crap information to others who may not know better and are trying to learn, not just get a hand out fix.

You want it fixed? Pay me... Otherwise, deal with it or figure it out yourself. But I will be sure to kill bad information when I see it. Loudly, and clearly.


Was that clear enough for even you to understand?
Excuse me? You act like an ass because you are one, period. If you have nothing to offer then you are wasting your time, mine, and the others who are trying to help me. Furthermore, you're wasting the resources of this website.

Bad information, huh? So you're over here with me? You've seen what I'm dealing with? You know that I simply picked this forum and decided to make up a bunch crap just to make some various product look bad. So, for one, you're assuming based off of ZERO intelligence with regards to my situation, and furthermore, logically, your insinuations make zero sense. I have better things to do than waste my time with people like you.

Caps and underlines aren't going to get your idiotic points across any more efficiently than not using them. Do you honestly think I'm in 100 percent agreeance with you now because you used caps and underlines?

No one told you to teach me shit. I asked a question in a forum where people are free to offer help ( or in your case, act like an asshole because you have a cloak of anonymity). And what knowledge of my problem do you have? I've read your posts...it's the same instruction over and over again. One that I've already tried along with 100 variants of. You don't have ANY knowledge of what I'm facing, and now you are trying to burn credit to save face. Furthermore, I don't want you to share anything of your "knowledge" with me, and I THOUGHT I MADE THAT QUITE CLEAR. There, I can use caps too! Maybe it'll help you get the hint. Ass.

I don't care how long you've been here, that doesn't give you the right to assume anything about anyone. When you do, it just proves you're the idiot. And you're not prevent me from spreading anything. Thus far, I've been outline the issues that I'm having and what I've tried to fix them. So are people not aloud to post problem they may shed the product in a negative light? Are you one of those bullies that like to eradicate any negative info about a product just to try to maintain a fake positive image?

What would I pay you for? You're an idiot who I wouldn't trust to keep a bee inside of a lidded jar.

And you haven't killed anything. You've gotten owned because you stuck your nose in where you were asked to keep it out of. And if you think you're a tough guy, you can let me know the next time you arrive in Tampa. I always love to see how you internet tough guys reveal yourselves as cowards when it's time to put up.

Coward

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