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rami 10-29-2004 05:55 PM

edited out dual post

edcetera 10-29-2004 07:25 PM

After the reset routine 4 button pushes and all to completly reset it the thing does not format the drives I put in it (that were at one time in a 4100).

Aslo Assist does not find it on the network

Done all of this beofre I would ask you guys.

Anyone else actually do this to a 2200

Thanks / Ed

edcetera 10-29-2004 07:28 PM

Dose it matter which version of assist

nadiazipper 10-29-2004 09:12 PM

I purchased a Snap 2000 of of Ebay and installed 2 200gb seagate drives. I went into the debug page of the server:
http://ipaddress/config/debug
Type in the command box - config devices info

You should have a few drives listed with a number like 10006 or 10016

Type in the command box - config devices format 10006 /reinit and config devices format 10016 /reinit (replace numbers with whatever you get)

Reboot and wait till the new drive has been formatted

edcetera 10-29-2004 11:52 PM

Thanks for the suggestions but Ive done all that

I have a snap 2000 and a snap 4100 both with new 120 gig hards drives and current OS and am familiar with the ins and outs of communicating to these servers.

The issue here is that the server can not be found on the network using assist even after a full reset the server

The following is a good way if you use DHCP for the server IP so you dont need to look for it you can call it by name, this is all well documented on Snapappliance.com

example my 2000 snap server number from the back panel is 554678 and http://snap554678 starts up the home page fine because I havent renamed the unit

This also works for my 4100 server

I hard code the IP for these units now,

but back to the 2200

This unit came wth no drives
I put 2 Deskstar 60gigs in this 2200, (they came from a 4100 ).

the 2200 did not format the drives and did not show up on the network even after looking with ASSIST and looking at my router to see if it shows up on the log and its doesnt appear in Network neighborhood in XP pro

I may just sell this the way I bought it with no drives to someone that can figure this all out.

Any suggestions are appreciated

Thanks / Ed :cool:

rami 10-30-2004 09:11 AM

ive never tried changing drives on my 2200's but i think i was reading before that some of them have the os on the drive. how about i take one apart and try?

i'll be back in a bit to post

edcetera 10-30-2004 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rami
ive never tried changing drives on my 2200's but i think i was reading before that some of them have the os on the drive. how about i take one apart and try?

i'll be back in a bit to post

Thanks that may shed some light on all this.

2 new (or at least not used in a snap server) drives put in a 2200 and started up will solve wheter or not this unit is faulty.

I appreciate your efforts on my behalf.

Sincerely / Ed

whats the drive jumper settings on your present 2200 disk drives
CS or master or what

rami 11-01-2004 08:24 AM

now my 2200 doesnt boot correctly ... i'll play with it tonight again...

if i cant get it for somereason i'll give up and sacrifice another one to try and get this to work (i have 9-10 of these 2200's)


i even went back to the original disks and it just blinks the system light , fun fun :)

i'll try reseting it a couple more times before i really give up on it for now

jarabe 11-01-2004 10:58 AM

Snap 1000 Upgraded to OS 4.0
 
I just download the 4.0 OS upgrade that was mentioned earlier in this forum.

I installed it on my Snap 1000 model. The thing that changed that is not to my liking is that before I could have two hard drives running, utilizing Master/Slave. But now with the 4.0 upgrade it only sees one hard drive.

Does anyone know how I can revert back to 3.48 OS? The tools SNAP supplies don't let you downgrade. Or has anyone else had this problem?

Thanks,

Davesworld 11-01-2004 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarabe
I just download the 4.0 OS upgrade that was mentioned earlier in this forum.

I installed it on my Snap 1000 model. The thing that changed that is not to my liking is that before I could have two hard drives running, utilizing Master/Slave. But now with the 4.0 upgrade it only sees one hard drive.

Does anyone know how I can revert back to 3.48 OS? The tools SNAP supplies don't let you downgrade. Or has anyone else had this problem?

Thanks,

I'm sure it's possible to downgrade. One thing that people are confused over is whether to use master/slave or cable select and Snap documentation does not help here at all. If you are using an 80 wire ribbon, the connector position determines the master or slave and the drive should be in cable select or CS. The black connector is master, the grey one is slave. A standard 40 wire ribbon uses master or slave on the drive. I wonder if the os update had any bios changes in it as well? Somebody here has dissected the sup file and I wonder if anyone can tell if there was a bios upgrade included in the section for the 1000 series? Anyone know better about this? Please speak up!

rrazo3 11-01-2004 06:00 PM

I have a Snap Server 1100 that will not power up. Is there a program that I can download for windows to retreive my information from the hard drive?

re3dyb0y 11-02-2004 02:04 PM

I still can't get the Java just to install on the new drive.

Any ideas, ive tried reinit it and formatted it.

re3dyb0y 11-02-2004 02:05 PM

If you have registered your snap on www.snapappliance.com you get things like bios upgrades for 3.4.803

cooliewoolie 11-02-2004 10:02 PM

Snap 2000
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by edcetera
Thanks for the suggestions but Ive done all that

I have a snap 2000 and a snap 4100 both with new 120 gig hards drives and current OS and am familiar with the ins and outs of communicating to these servers.

The issue here is that the server can not be found on the network using assist even after a full reset the server

The following is a good way if you use DHCP for the server IP so you dont need to look for it you can call it by name, this is all well documented on Snapappliance.com

example my 2000 snap server number from the back panel is 554678 and http://snap554678 starts up the home page fine because I havent renamed the unit

This also works for my 4100 server

I hard code the IP for these units now,

but back to the 2200

This unit came wth no drives
I put 2 Deskstar 60gigs in this 2200, (they came from a 4100 ).

the 2200 did not format the drives and did not show up on the network even after looking with ASSIST and looking at my router to see if it shows up on the log and its doesnt appear in Network neighborhood in XP pro

I may just sell this the way I bought it with no drives to someone that can figure this all out.

Any suggestions are appreciated

Thanks / Ed :cool:


Hi edcetera,

Are the drives spinning up and the LEDs lit up and blinking normally? If "yes" then the network part may be bad. If "no" the problem is difficult to tell, could be the power supply, CPU, memory or anything. In either case the Snap 2000 you bought is likely a bad one.

I had similar experience several months ago when I bought from eBay a Snap 1000 with 30G drive but no transformer. The seller said he had no transformer to test it and therefore would not offer any warranty.

Upon reception I plugged in a 12V adapter from my other Sanp 1100 and nothing happened. I opened the Snap 1000 and found there wasn't any cable connecting to the hard drive!

On detail examination I found the hard drive was dead and the computer board had some components burnt. The seller had obviously put some dead components together and sell it as a good one.

Since I know some electronics I managed to find out a few problems on the computer board but I could not find the replacement components so effectively my Snap is still a dead one.

I joined this forum yesterday hoping to see if anyone has a dead Snap server for sell. Maybe I can then combine two dead ones into a working one. And as far as I know the 2000 uses the same circuit board as the 1000 so yours is one candidate. If you are interested please let me know.

Best regards/Paul.

HaRpEr 11-03-2004 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooliewoolie
Hi edcetera,

Are the drives spinning up and the LEDs lit up and blinking normally? If "yes" then the network part may be bad. If "no" the problem is difficult to tell, could be the power supply, CPU, memory or anything. In either case the Snap 2000 you bought is likely a bad one.

I had similar experience several months ago when I bought from eBay a Snap 1000 with 30G drive but no transformer. The seller said he had no transformer to test it and therefore would not offer any warranty.

Upon reception I plugged in a 12V adapter from my other Sanp 1100 and nothing happened. I opened the Snap 1000 and found there wasn't any cable connecting to the hard drive!

On detail examination I found the hard drive was dead and the computer board had some components burnt. The seller had obviously put some dead components together and sell it as a good one.

Since I know some electronics I managed to find out a few problems on the computer board but I could not find the replacement components so effectively my Snap is still a dead one.

I joined this forum yesterday hoping to see if anyone has a dead Snap server for sell. Maybe I can then combine two dead ones into a working one. And as far as I know the 2000 uses the same circuit board as the 1000 so yours is one candidate. If you are interested please let me know.

Best regards/Paul.

I just got a day or two ago a Snap 1100, theres no drive or cd's with it, my intention being to put a seperately bought drive into it to store stuff on.

Having read the majority of posts in the thread, I grabbed all the files that misterbill kindly hosted on his FTP but now I have a question;

From those files how would i install SnapOS?

Any help/suggestions appreciated :)

Paul - If i cant get it to work I'd be be interested in selling it to you assuming the parts are compatible.

cooliewoolie 11-03-2004 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaRpEr
I just got a day or two ago a Snap 1100, theres no drive or cd's with it, my intention being to put a seperately bought drive into it to store stuff on.

Having read the majority of posts in the thread, I grabbed all the files that misterbill kindly hosted on his FTP but now I have a question;

From those files how would i install SnapOS?

Any help/suggestions appreciated :)

Paul - If i cant get it to work I'd be be interested in selling it to you assuming the parts are compatible.




The 1100 and 1000 boards are compatible.
The files you downloaded are OS upgrade files I believe, and to install them you need a disk that already has an OS installed previously.
Alternatively if you can get hold of an image of the Sanp OS then you can start from scratch with a brand new disk.
I have a 3.4.805 OS image and it is about 40M in size and I can give you a copy if you want. If someone owns a FTP site I don't mind uploading it.
After you get the image you can use a disk copy program to restore the OS image to your new disk.
I highly recommend to use tomsrbrt boot disk because the program is just one floppy disk. It is free to download from http://www.toms.net/rb/
The tomsrbrt is effectively a micro version of linux but it is sufficient to the job we need. Use dd command to restore the image. Details of the procedure are mentioned in previous messages.
After the image is restored you will get a working Snap if your electronics are healthy.

Brgds/Paul.

cooliewoolie 11-03-2004 09:33 PM

Downgrade Snap OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jarabe
I just download the 4.0 OS upgrade that was mentioned earlier in this forum.

I installed it on my Snap 1000 model. The thing that changed that is not to my liking is that before I could have two hard drives running, utilizing Master/Slave. But now with the 4.0 upgrade it only sees one hard drive.

Does anyone know how I can revert back to 3.48 OS? The tools SNAP supplies don't let you downgrade. Or has anyone else had this problem?

Thanks,


The only method I know is to overwrite the OS partition with a 3.4.80x image. You will lost all the setup information as well as all data in the share partition.

Brgds/Paul.

edcetera 11-03-2004 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooliewoolie
Hi edcetera,

Are the drives spinning up and the LEDs lit up and blinking normally? If "yes" then the network part may be bad. If "no" the problem is difficult to tell, could be the power supply, CPU, memory or anything. In either case the Snap 2000 you bought is likely a bad one.

I had similar experience several months ago when I bought from eBay a Snap 1000 with 30G drive but no transformer. The seller said he had no transformer to test it and therefore would not offer any warranty.

Upon reception I plugged in a 12V adapter from my other Sanp 1100 and nothing happened. I opened the Snap 1000 and found there wasn't any cable connecting to the hard drive!

On detail examination I found the hard drive was dead and the computer board had some components burnt. The seller had obviously put some dead components together and sell it as a good one.

Since I know some electronics I managed to find out a few problems on the computer board but I could not find the replacement components so effectively my Snap is still a dead one.

I joined this forum yesterday hoping to see if anyone has a dead Snap server for sell. Maybe I can then combine two dead ones into a working one. And as far as I know the 2000 uses the same circuit board as the 1000 so yours is one candidate. If you are interested please let me know.

Best regards/Paul.


Hello Paul

I have returned that 2200 to the person I got it from and got a refund.

It was indeed a dud.

Thanks for your creative solution.

Sincerely / Ed

HaRpEr 11-03-2004 11:10 PM

Excellent thanks Paul that would be great, I have an ftp server of my own, be most grateful if you could uplaod that image and have pm'd you the details.

Thanks laso for the link, i will definately give that a try....let you know how i get on as soon as i can :)

cooliewoolie 11-04-2004 10:04 AM

Private mail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HaRpEr
Excellent thanks Paul that would be great, I have an ftp server of my own, be most grateful if you could uplaod that image and have pm'd you the details.

Thanks laso for the link, i will definately give that a try....let you know how i get on as soon as i can :)


If PM stands for private message then I did not receive any, please resend .

Brgds/Paul.

HaRpEr 11-04-2004 11:22 AM

Oh weird it didnt send, no matter here they are instead, and thanks again :)

OmahaSnap 11-08-2004 10:50 AM

I just want to say this forum is great!
Can anyone tell me the latest Bios for a 2000? My current Bios is 1.2.180 The reason I am asking is because I am trying to add 2 Maxtor 160 gig drives to my snap. Using the great instructions here, I was able to get my snap to recognize the drives, but it will not format them. Are 133 drives uncompatible?

Joe 11-08-2004 11:56 PM

Rami I have edited your posts with links to the Snap OS share. Since the adaptec threat that was sent to me this afternoon.

Please conduct the details of any file shares you may have off the site and via email in order to keep me out of it :)

Incase you didnt see heres the issue:
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=10846

rami 11-09-2004 12:31 AM

to allow the java to install you must first make sure the java directory is created Java$

re3dyb0y 11-09-2004 01:26 PM

Ah that may be the reason i created Java not Java$, will try it thanks.

OmahaSnap 11-10-2004 12:59 PM

I must be missing something
 
First I just want to say this is a great forum! I have read ALOT of the posts here, so please don't frag me for asking a stupid question, but I could use some guideance.

I am trying to install 2 Maxtor 160 gig 5400rpm ATA/133 drives into my meridian 2000. I have upgraded it to os4. The 2000 will detect the drives at 155 gig and begin a format. Everything looks great, but at some point during the format it will crash and start over. Have I missed something????? Ive been following the instructions from the postings as best as I can, but either something is wrong or I have overlooked a step.

I thought I saw a few posts warning that 133 drives wouldn't work in a snap 2000, so I tried 2 Maxtor 100 gig 5400rmp ATA/100 drives. Those format, but when I mirror them and reboot it gets about 98% through "Rebuilding backup disk" and then crashes, reboots and starts all over again.

Any advice anyone can offer me would really help this headache I have from beating my head into the wall.

OS: 4.0.830
HW: 1.1.0
BIOS: 1.2.180

re3dyb0y 11-18-2004 08:23 AM

Ok, i have now tried reinit the drive, installing the os, no luck. I have tried creating Java, $Java and Java$ but im still getting the same error. If i type wdir /2/os_private/ i can see a Java folder called Java (this is on the original hd). But if i change it to /0 there is no java folder as default. If i create my own it wont install it. Ive tried reinit on it and therefore reformat and then reinstalling the os v4 (with just the new drive in) and there is no Java folder created. So theres no use me putting it in my pc and formatting it with fat 32 and then back into the snap server. When i used reinit on the old drive i was able to install java straight off after the restart.

Ok, ive sorted it - well sort of. If you login to your snap server using FTP, copy the Java files to your computer and then back to the new hard drive. It worked with snap extensions. It didn't have the test thingy, but im not too bothered. However it still wont let me install it from assist or the web browser. It also doesn't come up on the about type page in the top right. But ill have to look into these!!

misterbill 11-19-2004 01:02 AM

Hello everyone.
Sorry I have not been on the forum for some time but I made a lot of progress that some might be interested in. Especially if you have a unit without a working drive to copy the operating system from.
Anyway I have successfully got my 2200 and 1000 up and running.
I have also been able to upgrade the drives on both.
I was also able to copy just the first 50,000 block (25MB) of each of the drives to a file that can be used to restore the operating system on a blank drive. (I tested it and it works)
I put the files on my FTP site let me know if it is working properly.
****DOWN****
There is a compressed file that contains both data files. It is snap1000-2200.zip
I will try to detail the method a little more later.
Here is a short summary.
1. Download the snap1000.bin file to a place you can get to using knoppix.
2. Download the knoppix cd.
3. install the drive you want the OS on. I installed it as the master on the Primary IDE port.
4. Insert the knoppix cd and boot from the CD.
5. Open a terminal window
6. Type "sudo su"
7. transfer the snap1000.bin file to the /tmp directory
8. Type "dd if=/tmp/snap1000.bin of=/dev/hda
This just takes a minute and it is done.
9. Now power down and remove the drive and install it in the snap as the only drive.
10. Power on the snap.
11. Let it initialize.
12. Now use assist or whatever method to get to the debug screen.
13. Type "config devices format 10000 /reinit
14. Reboot the server and it should reformat the drive to.
These files are of the 3.4.805 version of the OS so you won't get over 130MB.
However you should then be able to upgrade the OS and reinit the drives again to get the max size.

re3dyb0y 11-19-2004 03:07 PM

Yes it works. (the ftp site)

Could you do me some instructions for making my own images using knoppix?


Thanks


Sam

cooliewoolie 11-22-2004 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poogles_uk
Yes it works. (the ftp site)

Could you do me some instructions for making my own images using knoppix?


Thanks


Sam


Hi Sam,

the steps are:-
1. boot up your knoppix cd and login as root user.
2. type "dmesg|grep hd" to find out the drive numbers for your snap drive and windows drive, mine is hdb and hda5 respectively.
3. type "mount -t auto /dev/hda5 /mnt" and press return
4. type "dd if=/dev/hdb of=/mnt/snap.os bs=1024k count=40" and press return and in a few minutes you will get an image (snap.os) of 40meg in your windows drive (root directory). You can adjust the size by altering the count value.

Hope this helps.
Paul.


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