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Swiftech are still "hi-flow" in comparison to a 6mmID, winding tube, Eheim 1046 powered trickler. |
I am astounded by the way this thread has evolved. I have been keeping a quiet eye on this thread since the beginning nad it has been a bumpy ride but to bash Pug the way that people have is truely astonishing.
I have, in the past, done business with Pug. He could never, IMO, be accused of being a salesman/spindoctor to improve his bottom line. In fact, its quite the oposite. He encouraged me to wait before placing an order with him to his detriment as it ment i spent less money. IME he has helped people make an informed decision about what kinds of system suit an individuals needs weather that be that he sells the product or not. As for the level of service he gives ..... words honestly dont go far enough to convey how good it is. No im not a Pug fanboy, i cant even say i really know him, I am just a nobody who feels that Pug has been treated unfairly and cant sit by and watch it. FWIW (im sure not much to most of you lot) I have read the posts and inturpreted them in the same way that Pug has. I dont see Pug as a salesman/spindoctor twisiting and turning your words to his advantage, i see him as an enthusiast with a passion for something different to most of the users on this forum. Users who he has repeatedly seen bash the types of systems that he is passionate about. As this passionate enthusiast he is just defending what he believes in, this is what is being confused for sales speak. As a novice watercooler (leaving the rad to one side for now) i regard typical US systems as 1/2" and sometimes 3/8" systems with powerful pumps and typical German systems as 6/8mm and 8/10mm with less powerful pumps. I would love to see this thread get back in line to test the above mentioned kits and, if at all possible, a DD kit and a 6/8mm european kit to see the pros and cons of all of them. I dont see why the rads cant just be identicle units for each loop (the BIX2 seems to suit both camps to my novice mind) and just change the tubing and pumps as required by each configuration. /me retires to bomb proof bunker |
If you test just the waterblocks at various flow rates and control for water temp then you essentially do this. The lower flow rates would represent lower powered pumps and the higher rates higher powered pumps.
As a side note, there are quite a few US systems using 1048 sized pumps. The mystery from the US side is why you would then use 6mm ID tubing (and possibly a radiator of serpentine tubing) to further hamper flow. For instance, I completely understand using lower powered (or undervolted) fans to reduce noise BUT I don't understand why you would not then do everything you can to let air flow easily through the case. In a parallel way, I also understand using a quiet/silent pump BUT don't understand why you would hamper it with narrow-gauge tubing. Oh - I also think Pug may have been misunderstood here. IMHO he was done in by the same urge that helped you - he tries to build systems that perform as well as they can - which would mean a better radiator/fans and more flow (either via larger diameter hoses or a more effective pump or possibly both). If I had someone assembling a system for me this is exactly what I would want. Unfortunately, using a system like that to represent low flow systems in a comparison doesn't answer the question of "are the low flow systems getting nearly the same heat transfer performance as the high flow systems?". One thing to remember is that this is a group of people who are willing to question one of their base assumptions (high flow performs better). Of course it's a bit contentious. Of course there are folks who are unwilling to be persuaded by words - only actual tests will do it. IMHO this makes ProCooling a very unusual place on the web. I'm pretty glad they let me at least be a hang around here. |
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