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gogo 02-06-2003 01:57 PM

Mine only allows one connection, but with the router, I've had up to 15 online, I was out of ports after that.

jaydee 02-06-2003 07:55 PM

Connections they allow is different from connections you can get with a router. When they say 5 connection, they mean they will sell you up to 4 extra IP addy's for a total of 5. That how it is with AT&T up here. You can have as many connection as the router supports with a router.

I don't know about multiple modems. The way AT&T works is they assign you a IP address in the form of a computer name. You cannot use that same computer name at the sametime on two different computers. So if you had a second modem you would have to disconnect the first one or shut the computer off so the IP isn't connected to the first computer. But if you bought a second IP addy (connection) you could then use the second modem with that IP. :)

bigben2k 02-07-2003 10:34 AM

Ok...

So now I'm looking at this router from USR.

Waddya'll think?

pHaestus 02-07-2003 11:41 AM

I have been wanting one of these:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...EM415C&afsrc=1

gogo 02-07-2003 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pHaestus
I have been wanting one of these:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...EM415C&afsrc=1

Oh now they come up with that at a decent price. I just got done cutting up a sony cd player too. allthough...

"Hey hon, I got rid of one of the computers.
Wonderful... what's this box in the useless cabinet abbove the fridge???
UUUmmmmmm, that's been there, must've come with the house.":)

bigben2k 02-07-2003 12:12 PM

That would be nice! I'll have to keep an eye on it too.

Ok, I'll stop linking to (D)!

I'm just having a hard time isolating the features:

1-I don't want an integrated cable modem: I'll have one, I just want the router.

2-I'd like to be able to network the computers together, preferably at 100 rather than 10 (not that that's going to make a difference).

3-USR's built-in print server looks nice, but I can't help wondering about the benefit: if there's no buffer, it's quite useless. (I've got an inkjet prt).

4-My wife needs it to connect to the company's VPN, so that's got to work.

Right now, I'm looking at the NetGear unit here.

Does that look OK?

gogo 02-07-2003 12:20 PM

Quote:

2-I'd like to be able to network the computers together, preferably at 100 rather than 10 (not that that's going to make a difference).
I take it you don't move lots of files around at one time.

bigben2k 02-07-2003 12:47 PM

No, it's strictly for the convenience of sharing, instead of using floppy disks to copy files around.

gogo 02-07-2003 01:20 PM

:D Before I set up the network, my wife was using winzip to span a file across floppies. not that much trouble for 2 -6 meg file. This was when a 500mhz was king. Well she had been working on blowing up a photo montage to make a poster. the file was allready 100 megabytes, I think she got to the 20th floppy before she asked how to take a harddrive out and install it in another computer. I was at work. She called on phone and I managed to talk her through it. A week later we had a little 10 network set up.

jtroutma 02-07-2003 01:20 PM

BigBen,

It sounds like all you need is a good router with a built-in 4 port or more switch and that can handle VPN. Nexland makes great routers that are of great quality and handle VPN natively. They are a bit on the pricy side but I can tell you this, after working with my Pro800Turbo for at least 6 months now, I have never worked with such a fine piece of machinery (of course leaving out $2000+ Cisco routers and the likes)

The Pro400 utilises a single WAN link with a 4 port 10/100 switch, VPN, NAPT, PPPoE, IPsec Server Behind NAPT, SNMP, Full Routing, Unlimited IPsec Tunnels Passing-Through, and can handle up to 253 computers via DHCP.

Nexland Pro400

BTW these things dont freeze! Unlike the Dlinks and Linksys units that I have worked with in the past that have needed to be reset about 1-2times a month, I have been running mine since I got it.

Add some cables to the mix and you should be well satisfied.

Just a thought. Good luck.

bigben2k 02-07-2003 01:35 PM

I think that the VPN setup doesn't require a box at home, I'll have to check. If it does, it would be supplied by the company, which would either make everything free, or turn it all out into a nightmare...

jaydee 02-07-2003 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigben2k
I think that the VPN setup doesn't require a box at home, I'll have to check. If it does, it would be supplied by the company, which would either make everything free, or turn it all out into a nightmare...
Being this is for an extreamly small home network I see no cause to buy anything expensive. That $50 netgear has VPN passthrough. Should work fine for your needs. $250+ is serious overkill for small home network ah? For that price it should....well....nevermind. :p I highly doubt he will have any problems resetting the router once a month if need be if it means saving $200. Doesn't sound like mission critical stuff here. Could be wrong though I guess....

jtroutma 02-07-2003 01:46 PM

Granted. The Dlink DI-704 is good enough for what most people want to do, only costs around $50-60 nowadays and has been reliable, for the most part.

The Nexland was only a suggestion :D

bigben2k 02-07-2003 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jaydee116
...$50 netgear has VPN passthrough. Should work fine for your needs.

$250+ is serious overkill for small home network ah? For that price it should....well....nevermind. :p

I highly doubt he will have any problems resetting the router once a month if need be if it means saving $200. Doesn't sound like mission critical stuff here. Could be wrong though I guess....

Now how on earth would I have known that it has VPN passtrough?:shrug: Thanks, I think that's the one I'll order (if I have to order one!)

Given the level of use for it, yeah, even $50 is overkill... The VPN connection is for the odd situation when my wife is called to produce a report. It *might* happen a couple of times in a month (but hey, if we get cable internet, I'm not complaining!):D


Sucks to be in this jam: no info, but need a solution!

pHaestus 02-07-2003 01:59 PM

And I linked the $250 gadget primarily because of its NAS features. It is a steal at that price; especially if you have a spare 120 or 200GB HDD to add into its second bay.

I don't see any reason to use 10MBit nowadays. You can buy a decent 10/100 router switch for such little money then why not?

I personally have a Linksys 4port 10/100 router/switch with integrated wireless at home, and I love being able to use my notebook anywhere in the house. I think it was $100CAD, so still not exactly pricey. I then connected a second switch for the rest of the computers in another room (5 PCs in all but not all always running)

bigben2k 02-07-2003 02:07 PM

Right, but with the PCMCIA card, wireless is gonna get up there. Tiger has DLINK parts I might be able to put together, for ~$100... that might be feasible...

jaydee 02-07-2003 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigben2k
Now how on earth would I have known that it has VPN passtrough?:shrug:
Because it says it on the page YOU linked to!!! :p :p

Quote:

NETGEAR’s FR314 Cable/DSL Firewall Router provides a higher level of security for small offices and affords parents the worry-free administration of their networks with true, hardware-based firewall security. Designed with Stateful Packet Inspection technology to prevent DoS attacks and malicious packets.

The FR314 also provides Internet access filtering capability (based on time of day, web address or web address keywords), high-speed Internet sharing, VPN pass-through, logging and reporting capabilities and easy, web-based setup.
:D

jaydee 02-07-2003 07:37 PM

Pleasantly suprised!!! I was expecting the 128K upload cap that they used to have!!! Now they said it is 256K upload. They also said they are being taken over by ComCast in a week. Don't know if that is good or bad, but if I get these results consistantly I don't care.:)

http://www.customcooledpc.com/cablespeed.jpg

pHaestus 02-07-2003 07:47 PM

I remember when comcast took over for @home in my neighborhood. 3000/1000 went to 1000/128 overnight, and monthly rates went up

pHaestus 02-07-2003 07:50 PM

Here is my current connect:

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtests...net/1044668683

I didn't bother booting people off my ftp; my actual upload is about 40kB/sec better :)

bigben2k 02-07-2003 08:04 PM

Well, here's the lowdown on the VPN: the company only supplies the VPN concentrator to companies, not individuals.

It must be compatible with Cisco 3015 VPN concentrator, and that includes the 3000 and 5000 series, as well as Cisco's 1720. (and many more, I'm sure)

Otherwise, my wife's laptop has been setup with the VPN client that only needs an internet connection. A modem dialer is included.

The hardware VPN solution has this limitation: "No NAT of VPN device address through the router".:shrug:

Hey, if I can get it cheap, why not. Otherwise, I'll be checking out those wireless solutions...

jaydee 02-07-2003 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pHaestus
Here is my current connect:

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtests...net/1044668683

I didn't bother booting people off my ftp; my actual upload is about 40kB/sec better :)

Is that DSL? Last time I had cable it started with @home at 128Kup and 3000down, the ATT took over and stayed at 128Kup but dropped the down to 1500. Now that ComCast is taking over they said it should stay at 256kup and 1800 down (Max). They said it was to stay competitive with DSL (which isn't an option here anyway :()

pHaestus 02-07-2003 08:37 PM

nah that's REAL cable (shaw.ca in Saskatoon). At night I get 1000kbps upload, with 124kB/s sustained on FTP. It gets a bit slower in evenings but overall not bad for about $45CAD ($30US) a month

gogo 02-07-2003 08:46 PM

I got 955 download 67 upload.
I thought that fresh install of win2K updated pretty fast.
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtests...com/1044671493

Not bad, I never would hve known that my bandwith was increased from 512 unless i did that. apparently my ISP changed their service offerings.

here
I'm curious how they compare to some of the real world in the lower 48, but that's another thread, topic, google search.:)

*I gave up trying to get the URL right.

bigben2k 02-07-2003 08:52 PM

All right... I found this (POS?) wireless unit, and it goes for $60 ($40 after mail-in rebate). Add a wireless PC card (pka: PCMCIA) and a wireless PCI card for that PC in the bedroom, and I'm up to $115.

Personally, I don't really care for DLink... What do you all think?


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