Don't forget to mention that reading PMs is illegal in AU :)

IMO one of the worst parts about the whole review is the misleading graphs.

Its a highschool no-no to post graphs with widely differing scales...

here for example -
http://www.liquidninjas.com/reviews....t&id=58&page=7

(2 degree difference vs 6 basically side by side)

How much clearance is there between the socket cam and swiftech base when there is no heat spreader?

Honestly you sir can kiss my ass. Not Factoring in the ambient tempatures was an honest mistake (BTW is fixed now) and if you don't like that then you can kiss my ass and go on with your perfect life.

Yes a $50 DMM is to expensive when you don't have the money. Prove to me that every joe-shmoe out there that has a water-cooled pc owns a DMM for monitoring tempatures and i'll go out and buy one for the Water-cooled pc i don't use anymore.

If you don't like the results of the blocks in my system oh well, get over it. Thats what MBM showed during the tests and thats what I and everyone and there brother is looking for.


Cather,
Sorry about the situation between you and LN and the admins. I'm not here to be a spokesman for LN, rather myself as people have questioned my competence because the results I got were'nt what they were expecting.

B I N G O
only a matter of time 'till a sharp reader noticed
flawed mounting, its all crap (not the DD data, no comment on it)
the author has been requested to pull the article,
EDIT: article down (pending revision ?)

ns1, you bet that question is being asked

The offending culprit himself. Don't forget most of Europe as well.

I don't kiss anyone's ass that can't use logic to back his argument. :)
Who the hell said every joe-shmoe needs a DMM (do you even know what a DMM is?)? That should be used by the person doing the reviews so the readers (joe-shmoe's) don't have to worry about it. I mean that's the whole point of a review isn't it? Doing the work the average Joe doesn't want to or cannot do on their own so they can use the info to buy a product. If these joe-shmoe's used your review based on temps (which most people do) they would have bought the wrong block and YOU would be to blame. One of these days people like you are going to start getting sued for flagrantly bad information.
That bit if ignorant bull shit is headed for my sig. :) Also that's more ammunition for my argument with BalefireX. Thanks!

Expecting? If you can explain why the laws of physics don't apply to your computer then let's hear it.... Oh but we already know were you ****ed up. Removing the heat spreader and then using a braket designed for use WITH that heat spreader.


Now tell us why your review is no bull again like the first paragraph says? :rolleyes:

BalefireX: Get it yet?

The purchase of a DMM is not going to change anything for the majority of testers. I only looked at the first page of this review, saw it had disparaging things to say about people who test blocks with die simulators and as a function of flow, and I closed the page. The average reader today demands a lot more technical expertise from a cooling review than they did say 3 years ago. Some sites have improved; some would prefer to take potshots at "fancy scientific stuff" and go on along with the same old same old.

Why not look at how Intel and AMD suggest that heatsinks be tested in their FREELY AVAILABLE documents? Follow those as closely as possible; no die simulators needed for that.

Here's a FACT: The performance of a waterblock can ONLY be characterized by measuring (a) pressure drop as a function of flow rate and (b) cooling performance as a function of flow rate. The curves ARE the block's performance; you cannot condense this property to a single point. So you aren't testing waterblock performance in this "real world" review. What ARE you testing then? Have you designed this test in a way to be able to make more general deductions? Or was it all just an exercise in trolling technically-minded readers?

Trolling technically-minded readers get's my vote.


A one time review eh? How do these people get blocks to review in the first place?

when Luddite remarks preface a 'technical' review, nothing good can be expected
when the author started drooling over chromed barbs, my suspisions were confirmed
when I saw the result, I knew we'd been had

RIP, let it go
the author needs to connect the article, if he will not that is between him and LN

/me sighs

How am I ever going to convince Jaydee that people would be better off educated than insulted when people continually refuse education?

This round goes to you, I'm afraid.

I've removed the article until such time that it can be edited. Unfortunately, I never had an ounce to do with this review, apart from allowing anyone who wishes to post reviews on my site. I was never contacted by anyone regarding any concerns over the review until I saw BillA's post here.

LN has never had a review team or editor. We've all just done our own reviews individually in the past. LNs part in all this was merely as a host. Ive responded to Swiftech's concerns as I always have, with open ears. But I honestly never heard anything about it until after the shit hit the fan.

BalefireX

this episode is slightly informative
notice that the author could do no more than post defensive words, it took PlayerO to actually take the initiative and do something

jd was too kind by far

Bill,
No you are completly off base. email me at miller.wes at gmail dot com.

FWIW Player0, LN is YOUR site, you may want to consider at least reading over what is going to be posted as an article no? Just a silly thought.

I understand that. What you don't want to understand is people like Wes here don't want to be educated. I can usually tell if the reviewer has intentions of bettering his methods. It is clear this guy dosn't and therefor is not worth the time to help and simply needs to be put in his place. I held back on him a lot more than I normally would have if that makes you think your making progress. :)

Jeeze man did you read his first paragraph of that article? He had no intention of learning period.

I think he's too distracted with reading the PM's of LN forum members to pay attention to small details like that.

No.

Anyone is welcome to post an article over at LiquidNinjas.com. I have no interest in editing or censoring these reviews. LN is a collection of indivuduals who do what they please, I just provide the platform.

If there is an error in any content on LN, I will make sure that it is taken care of as soon as it is brought to my attention. Which I did. Within like 30 minutes.

I have no idea what concerns any manufacturer might have about a review, so I wait for them to contact me.

But what I allow on LN doesnt change. I'll continue to allow beginner reviews in the hopes that they will continue to grow and learn, and maybe at some point provide LN with quality reviews like you can find on ProCooling.

But I don't have the energy to proactively teach every reviewer every single rule of watercooling. I provide help on our forums as much as I can. I do not host a website so that I can be an editor, and have no interest in that position.

I will let Wes, Swiftech and DangerDen hash it out. I honestly dont care about any of it, Im only involved as a middle man here.

"...there is no reason to abuse him over it. I'm all for scientific testing, but how does it help in any way when we push away anyone who shows an interest in the subject? We should be helping these people improve, not telling them to "**** off"

-Balefire


LOL. Read the article. Read his first post here. Reread both.

I am just preempting the 10 other posts before someone else says it.

Do you really need more posts like mine or his here? Do you really think his post here was a cry for understanding and improvement?

We are all smarter than that.

Just a heads up, but a DMM is a device that measures voltage differences (and some then use this info to give current, impediance, etc based on ohm's law). A device that measures temperature is called a thermometer.

Well given that you evidently don't know what the equipment is called, let alone what to do with it, I'd say you are quite incompetant, based on what I've seen.

To his defense I think I started the DMM thing. I did mean a DMM with a thermal coupler of course. I bought my last one for $18.00. :D

Actually, A DMM can be equipped with a temperature probe FYI. Just because I didn't say anything don't me I don't know what one is.

Don't make aqusitions about me or how competent I am.

One's competence is judged from the work they produce.

stop while you are 'ahead', relatively speaking

not only is aqusitions (assumptions, you mean?) the wrong word, you spelt it wrong. Hardly a confidence breeder, that one. Perhaps a sign of your 'competence'?

p0 - Sweet, so i can post an article on your site saying how ****ing ludicrous your reviewers and entire site are, and how you break laws by breaching the privacy act? Don't worry, I'll disguise it as a half-arsed review on something!

:rolleyes:

I think this site needs a disclaimer "check you emotions at the door". Everytime an article is trounced the guys feeling get all hurt. It took me a while but now I know that these are not personal attacks but a slap on the back of head that you messed up. Next time you writers need to start off your post with "F U all, and now that I am over my hurt feeling, where did I go wrong and how can I fix it?". You'd do a lot better and learn alot more (btw maybe the F U part would'nt go over too well but I think they would respect you more than with the current -in little baby sqeeky voice- "you guys suck and I'm not gonna read procooling anymore"). Just my 2 pesos.

I think he ment:

assumptions probably a better word though.

May I publish an article on your site about how a friend of mine was sexually abused by someone who went under the alias Player0?

Hey, they probably were ;) Feel free to make any report about me 'getting some', my boring rep could use a pick-me-up :)

I think it has to be hardware related tho, so you can make it a powered dildo review...that will work fine :)

That's the Christmas spirit!

I'll have you kissing babies and helping old ladies across the street in no time, mark my words!